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NeoShocker
Caldari
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:48:00 -
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Following the lunch break, proceedings continued with prosecutor Hskan Roswall failing to start up his computer. For several minutes, listeners of the live audio could hear mouse-clicks as Roswall, who earlier claimed to be an expert on computer crimes, tried to get his PowerPoint presentation on the screen. He was eventually ordered by the judge to stick to his papers and continue.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:53:00 -
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Peter points out that the prosecutor is having difficulty working out the difference between megabits and megabytes.
Yeah, they're pretty much made of fail.
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc.
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2009.02.17 05:18:00 -
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Wow, I've never been that unprepared when testifying as a forensic expert witness, In fact I wouldn't have gotten involved with the case.
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Games are a pastime.. not a way of life.
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Lord Kazuhiro
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.17 06:52:00 -
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Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware it had started yet. Arr! Long live pirate bay! Wish I could be there for the party after they win.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2009.02.17 07:11:00 -
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If Pirate Bay doesn't screw this one up, it could mean a HUGE blow to the DRM monkeys. If they win this i think we're going to see a lot more on-demand and online distribution of stuff from the companies themselves. Will take a while before they decide to drop DRM and their prices though.
It could also be a huge blow to copyrights, for that matter, which is a slightly more complicated matter.
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.17 07:16:00 -
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<3 The Bay.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Cierejai
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.17 07:18:00 -
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So copyright infringement is illegal.
Pirating is copyright infringement.
Pirating is illegal.
Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc..
I don't understand the legal system tbh.
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.17 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cierejai
Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc..
No, it does not.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.02.17 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cierejai
So copyright infringement is illegal.
Pirating is copyright infringement.
Pirating is illegal.
Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc..
I don't understand the legal system tbh.
The pirate bay hosts trackers and torrents.
Users allow the files to be seeded.
Its the users that are responsible
The amount of sheer cost of lawyers, and court dates to prosecute the millions of theives who usually dont have any money anyway, is too expensive for the companies to go after them. They wouldnt gain anything in the end, and most paying customers would probably be slightly F'd off by that anyways.
They are wasting their time. They should try to focus on making progress and advancing the industry to the point of not being able to pirate their software or pirated software being **** compared to the actual thing.
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.17 07:52:00 -
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A bunch of stiff suits were actually given the opportunity to have the torrenting method given to them (Napster approached major record labels and offered a cut to them), but they decided not to take it, because apparently everyone else in the world truly are a bunch of dumbasses compared to us.
And after all this time, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.02.17 08:09:00 -
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Have to love when companies talk of losing billions to Piracy as if every 'stolen' copy of their media was from someone who would have bought it otherwise.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.02.17 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Have to love when companies talk of losing billions to Piracy as if every 'stolen' copy of their media was from someone who would have bought it otherwise.
I've bought more games and software after getting to 'test' it than if I wouldn't have had that chance.
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Roymundo
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.17 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cierejai
So copyright infringement is illegal.
Pirating is copyright infringement.
Pirating is illegal.
Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc..
I don't understand the legal system tbh.
very wrong buddy.
the pirate bay hosts torrents "links" to files. they do not host any of the material themselves. you cannot be held legaly liable for hosting files if infact you do no such thing......
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annoing
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Posted - 2009.02.17 10:24:00 -
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In effect they are using this as a test case. Wining will mean they can automatically close any other similer sites that may open in the future. The precident will have been set.
They are simply attacking PB because they have no idea on how to close the torrents that PB links to. Also, various European in-county laws stop the media companies from chasing people who download files. Here in the UK for instance, its still currently legal to download, the crime is committed when you upload - thats why you should NEVER use P2P software.
Closing PB and similer sites will stop the majority (for a short time anyway) from downloading.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.17 10:36:00 -
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to celebrate this i go to dl something(****) from TPB
if they kill TPB we get demonoid etc etc if they kill torrent, emule, pando, i2p,DC+ wee still get freenet 
/insert here evil lol
Somos universales,
Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales,
Ocultando nuestros miedos,
Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos,
Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.02.17 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 17/02/2009 10:56:33
Originally by: Cierejai
So copyright infringement is illegal.
Pirating is copyright infringement.
Pirating is illegal.
Pirate Bay hosts pirated movies, videos, music, etc..
I don't understand the legal system tbh.
lrn2/internet
Then again, in another thread you already proved a remarkable incompetence in the understanding of civilisation and economics so adding internet to that list doesn't come as a surprise.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.17 11:43:00 -
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<3 Sok. Keeps me from writing my own reply, oh wai...
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.17 11:54:00 -
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The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting.
The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange 
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Karma
Eve University
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Posted - 2009.02.17 12:14:00 -
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and on the second day, 50% of the charges were dropped.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.17 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting.
The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange
change you ISP i bet there will be a ISP that want your money
Somos universales,
Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales,
Ocultando nuestros miedos,
Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos,
Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
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Crimsonjade
Comanche Nation
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Posted - 2009.02.17 12:23:00 -
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well at least the trial is somewhere they can get a fair trial at.
If the company's could they would bring him to the USA and use one of their corporate judges to screw them over.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.17 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: LaVista Vista
The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting.
The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange
change you ISP i bet there will be a ISP that want your money
Nah, I'd rather not. My ISP gives me just about all music I want for free. There's a few bands like Metallica that they don't provide. But the rest is for free consumption with my subscription 
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jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.17 13:05:00 -
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probably a good job they arnt being tried in the Uk else GB woulda prolly had up on anti terror charges aswell 
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.17 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: LaVista Vista
The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting.
The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange
change you ISP i bet there will be a ISP that want your money
Nah, I'd rather not. My ISP gives me just about all music I want for free. There's a few bands like Metallica that they don't provide. But the rest is for free consumption with my subscription
If you are paying a subscription, it ISN'T FREE. Even if the subscription is ostensibly for something else such as Internet access, the costs of providing music are factored into the bill. If you don't get to KEEP the music, or it's tied to DRM which ties you to your ISP account, then you are only RENTING the music. No such thing as free.
Incidentally, all they did with that Denmark ISP was remove the DNS entries for TPB. It's trivial to get around, just change your DNS to something NOT run by that ISP. I suggest OpenDNS.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.02.17 13:28:00 -
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Didn't know there was a new trial going on, I thought it was done and dusted a couple of years back. It's an interesting one and I'm sure a lot of it hinges on Swedish copyright law, but I have a suspicion that the MPAA won't be winning this one. After reading half the charges were dropped in the 2nd link, I think they've gone about this the wrong way. Saying TPB is commercially pirating their IPs is not technically true, they aren't making any money from copyrighted materials. And claiming they're hosting infringing materials is also untrue as there's no copyright-protected material anywhere on the servers or within their control.
Ultimately, TPB isn't doing itself any favours...having people waving Pirate flags to support the Pirate Bay in a trial about pirating, when people can go to the web site and find links to pirated material, they're not making it easy for themselves, but I think that prosecuting them from a 'technical' standpoint is the wrong way to go as 'technically' TPB is not doing any unlawful.
Also, the laws in the US and laws in Sweden are quite different. While I don't know the specifics, I know for one thing the DMCA doesn't exist in Sweden (wasn't it a Norweigan guy that gave the world De-CSS? The MPAA lost that case too). P2P technology is legal and has legitimate uses...the problem is the industry can't pursue the end user as there's too many, in too many countries and it's not easy to find them. TPB has a strong web presence but really the argument is a simple one...is a dinner knife a murder weapon or an eating utensil? Just because it *could* be used for illegal purposes, doesn't in itself make it illegal. TPB flaunt themselves too much instead of keeping a low profile, but they have technicalities on their side.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 13:36:00 -
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"There has been high drama on the second day of the Pirate Bay trial. Due to serious shortcomings in the prosecution evidence, around 50% of the charges in the case are going to have to be withdrawn. The defense describes it as a ’sensation’, seeing half of the charges being dropped on the second day.
What has been shown in court today is that the prosecutor cannot prove that the .torrent files he is using as evidence actually used The Pirate Bay’s tracker. Many of the screenshots being used clearly state there is no connection to the tracker. Additionally, prosecutor Hskan Roswall didn’t adequately explain the function of DHT which allows for so called “trackerless” torrents.
The flaw in the evidence was pointed out by Fredrik Neij (TiAMO), who requested to comment on Roswall’s explanation of how BitTorrent actually works. Fredrik said that the prosecution misunderstood the technology, and told the court that the evidence doesn’t show that the Pirate Bay’s trackers are used.
This has resulted in prosecutor Hskan Roswall having to drop all charges relating to “assisting copyright infringement”, so the remaining charges are simply ‘assisting making available’. “Everything related to reproduction will be removed from the claim,” he said."
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Shadow Command
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.17 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 17/02/2009 14:02:25
I have a long line of good arguements about why piracy is not a bad thing lined up, of which the strongest two are:
1) I wouldn't buy that CD anyway.
2) If the copyright holder protected their stuff properly, I wouldn't be able to download it.
Don't forget, all music protection can be got around with Audacity and a few minutes to record the song. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.17 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: LaVista Vista
The outcome is this case is still going to be interesting.
The Danish ISPs were bullied into blocking all access to TPB. Really strange
change you ISP i bet there will be a ISP that want your money
Nah, I'd rather not. My ISP gives me just about all music I want for free. There's a few bands like Metallica that they don't provide. But the rest is for free consumption with my subscription
If you are paying a subscription, it ISN'T FREE. Even if the subscription is ostensibly for something else such as Internet access, the costs of providing music are factored into the bill. If you don't get to KEEP the music, or it's tied to DRM which ties you to your ISP account, then you are only RENTING the music. No such thing as free.
Incidentally, all they did with that Denmark ISP was remove the DNS entries for TPB. It's trivial to get around, just change your DNS to something NOT run by that ISP. I suggest OpenDNS.
Enjoy!
Sure, it's free. What do you have tools for removing DRM for otherwise?
I don't need TPB anyways. It's too easy to get around 
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Furio Shin
Gallente
Furious Furio.
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Posted - 2009.02.17 14:46:00 -
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Piratebay has always had a good legal team (or person). Being in Sweden makes it easier for them, but they won't be able to dodge this forever. These companies will not stop til piratebay is gone.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.17 14:56:00 -
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Piratebay has always had a good legal team (or person). Being in Sweden makes it easier for them, but they won't be able to dodge this forever. These companies will not stop til piratebay is gone.
Indeed, but it really just depends on how good that legal team really is. They will eventually have to give up and embrace the idea themselves if they can't defeat TPB, and it's only then that I can see the pirate bay closing.
Otherwise I just see them closing down temporarily and moving elsewhere.
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no.. you're f'ing insane.
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