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SadisticSavior Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:14:00 - [31] Quote: I don't recall the OP saying anything about people changing their ways Then let me refresh your memory: Quote: So, in conclusion, if you're a scammer - keep in mind who you might be scamming. You never know who's on the other end. The obvious implication IMO is that we should change our ways to avoid making kids like his son feel bad. I don't have a problem with kids playing EVE. I have a problem with their parents whining on the forum when the kid inevitably gets exploited in-game. Let your kid play all you want...but you're not entitled to sympathy when he gets exploited. Quote: Why is EVE to be taken so much more seriously than other games? Please quote me where I said or even implied that EVE needs to be taken any more seriously than other MMOs. You started this thread, not me. I didnt start a thread complaining about Kids in EVE. Quote: Also, where did I ask for people to pull punches? The last two lines of the original post. ("Fascist" is such an ugly word)
Octavious Delance GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:16:00 - [32] Ahaha so your son is ****ed? I think he needs to go to school and get some learnings instead of playing a game. Maybe if he went to school he wouldn't have been such a dumb** to fall for a scam.
CaptainSensible Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:20:00 - [33] This is quite an imaginative troll thread. I give it 7/10.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:22:00 - [34] funny, i must be old and jaded and cynical but the first thing i thought when i read this thread was "boy, what an inventive scam - i wonder how many people are going to send ISK with a message like 'your poor son, i hope this makes him feel better!'" but i'm wrong, right? \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Miz DeMille Originally by: T3 Alt Far too young to be playing Eve. This is YOUR fault. I played Space Invaders when I was about 7 or so. Why is 7 too young for EVE? With a profanity filter on, and a dose of common sense (which my son seems to have more of than many EVE players twice his age) I don't see much of a difference other than perception. It seems people perceive online games as something super serious. My son has no access to MySPace or places like that. But blowing up spaceships? Why get so serious about it? Space Invaders is a single player game. It's full of computer controlled space invaders who descend down the screen. Bloop bloop. MMO games otoh are full of people. People are mostly bastard coated bastards with bastard filling. I've run into some total damaged good headcases playing MMO games y'know. I don't know how seriously he'd take that stuff but some people take this stuff far too seriously. Just saying.
MidnightMartyr Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:27:00 - [36] Even though I don't actually scam in game, I wholeheartedly approve of it. This is quite possibly because I am a cold hearted individual who thrives on the suffering of other in-game. I guess this is how I can be such a nice guy IRL, by being a complete ******* over the interwebs haha. Also, the tears of children are the best!
KaarBaak	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Pesky LaRue funny, i must be old and jaded and cynical but the first thing i thought when i read this thread was "boy, what an inventive scam - i wonder how many people are going to send ISK with a message like 'your poor son, i hope this makes him feel better!'" but i'm wrong, right? QFE. My thoughts exactly. This is a scam perpetrated by the OP to get sympathy isk. No real parent could be this monumentally idiotic on so many different levels. KB
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:44:00 - [38] Originally by: SadisticSavior The obvious implication IMO is that we should change our ways to avoid making kids like his son feel bad. If I make a post saying "keep in mind not everyone who plays is a member of BobSwarm" it doesn't necessarily mean I'm suggesting that we dismantle the 0.0 alliance racket, only that there's other playstyles that should be recognized as well--a point I bring up mostly because it might shed some light on some of the drama created by recent CCP announcements. Perhaps I misread the OP but it sounds like he just posted it so that others could learn from his mistakes. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:00:00 - [39] Sorry that the kid got scammed, but I guess he is more carefuel next time. Some leassons is hard, jsut ncourage him to look forwards and not dwell in the past. What is done is done, what he does next is what matters. IN EVE and RL ^^.
Grek Forto THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:26:00 - [40] Very cute story.
Element 22 Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:41:00 - [41] This reminds me of a story my pop told me when I was a yougin' sitting on his lap, much like yourself. Now puffs pipe where should I begin... Tiny G1 keyboard with lack of editing ability means I won't be expanind that : ( Anyways, if OP is not a scam then I believe he is saying if you are scamming someone who doesn't feel like an adult or teen (and there is a difference between a dumb adult and a child) you could rethink the scam. They're not saying don't scam, just saying if you have reasonable suspicion that the person on the other end is a kid could you even consider not scamming as badly or finding another target. There a plenty of fish in the sea. But on the other hand they need to learn about scams soon anyways. Harsh but true. And if someone does decide to let the small fry off the hook can you please let us know so I can do a "and at that very moment, 'X's' heart grew 3 times more' : ) Signatures are annoying...kinda like me.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Element 22 This reminds me of a story my pop told me when I was a yougin' sitting on his lap, much like yourself. Now puffs pipe where should I begin... like my dad told me when i was a kid - "If you build big ships your whole life, people will NOT say, 'there goes Pesky the ship-builder.' And, if you build skysc**rs your whole life, people will NOT say, 'there goes Pesky the architect.' But," he said, "you ** ONE sheep..." \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
MILK Monk Rytiri Lva R.U.R.	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:48:00 - [43] the beauty of naivity... when I was 8, I was scammed for few weeks in the row by my mate. He kept telling me that he has "live" model of KITT car... doing exactly the same like the car in the series I felt horrible when I realized that he just say BS all the time... good for smile now and nice to remind it everytime when somebody is trying to persuade you... the point is simple - learning such important lesson this way is the best way... it cost you nothing and it has same effect as it would cost you everything... amazing :) __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way.
echohead	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:48:00 - [44] wow, I cannot believe that the OP is catching flack over this. He didn't tell anyone to change, and he stated that the kid learned a lession. I would say that this story does not have a point per se, but is just an anecdote about youngin's learning how harsh the game can be.
Amy Mouse	Posted - 2009.02.18 01:50:00 - [45] Well eve has alot to offer in terms of education, even though it is just a internet ships game. You can learn alot from financial aspects, like items dont move them selves, there are taxes on items that cut on profits, etc. Other aspects are things like objects like ships, its relationship to other things, how you would figure how how to 'tank and defeat' other enemies during missions, tweaking your fit to maximize whatever or at least get by your objective. Quote: So, in conclusion, if you're a scammer - keep in mind who you might be scamming. You never know who's on the other end. I think thats in response to the 'parent gamer' losing isk/dying in donkey kong talking. Little peeved, not at least at his son but at the scammer. I can totally understand that. It is a good lesson learned I would say, and thats about it lol. but I sure hope he realizes that scammers get to get away with most everything, with exception of some real money trading.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.02.18 03:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Octavious Delance Ahaha so your son is ****ed? I think he needs to go to school and get some learnings instead of playing a game. Maybe if he went to school he wouldn't have been such a dumb to fall for a scam. He's 7 years old and he made 10 billion isk on his own according to the op. Makes me feel kinda stupid to be honest. Don't know why you have to be such a blunt ***** whe... oh nvm, saw the goonswarm tag.
Alora Venoda GalTech Whiskey Creek Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.18 03:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Miz DeMille Why is EVE to be taken so much more seriously than other games? i will attempt to answer this question... but first we must take this broad, generalized question and ask more specific questions. this question at face value is similar to asking "why do dogs bark at everyone?" there are so many generalizations you cannot really answer it without being more specific. so first, i will rephrase the question: "why are [EVE players] so serious about [EVE], compared to how [other-game players] feel about their [other-games]?" the words in the square brackets are generalizations that need to be further refined before we can attempt to provide actual answers: [EVE] as a game, has many many different activities and goals that appeal to a wide range of different playstyles. furthermore, since EVE is a sandbox game, unlike other MMO's like WoW, it has even more variety of content which is created by the player community itself. [EVE players] come in many different variations. as an MMO, there are as many different types of EVE players as there are people in the world, combined with the many different possible activities and careers in EVE. [other-game] could be anything from a HUGE range of activities like checkers or go-fish, or simple 1 player games like Space Invaders and Mario, or multilayer games like Counter Strike or even Football, or MMO's like WoW, AoC, Warhammer, or even Second Life... just to name a few. [other-game players] is completely undefined until we define [other-game]. and for just about any game, there will still be different levels of enthusiasm and reasons for people to play. now to satisfy your curiosity let's rephrase the question again, being much more specific: "what is it about EVE that causes [certain types of EVE players] to be so much more serious about EVE than any players of [certain other games]?" even this is still pretty generalized... who are these "serious EVE players" and what is the "other game" to compare with? first of all, we cannot really compare any MMO game to a 1-player game, or even traditional multi-player games. the concept of MMO games is whole different topic for another discussion. but overall, just the fact that it's an MMO automatically provides several reasons for a player to take it more seriously than 1-player games. and with EVE there are some unique factors that enable players to take it even more seriously than other MMO's: actual loss of assets - simply put, very few MMO's allow your hard earned efforts to be destroyed in a very short amount of time. this adds an element of "risk" and "loss", especially since "doing it over" can potentially amount to weeks or months of in-game efforts by many players. very large groups of players - some alliances literally have thousands of members, which is much larger than player groups in most other games. and these groups are more than just socializing like myspace, or dungeon running like in WoW, but in EVE the corp/alliance can define 100% of the player experience. but it does not have to, and many corps and alliances are much smaller and much more casual. single shard server - this can indirectly affect the player perspective... because there is only one Jita, for example. the effect is generally that characters and in-game assets and politics have more significance to the players because there is only one community, as opposed to many to pick and choose from, and retreat to, start over in, etc. there are probably other factors unique to EVE that i have missed, but i hope this at least provides some ideas towards the answer you are looking for. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
echohead	Posted - 2009.02.18 03:27:00 - [48] The fact is this is still a game, so there is no reason to take it seriously at all. It is one thing to swear vengence on an alliance for thwarting your plans, that is what MMO's are about after all. But there really is no reason to take any game seriously in real life. Some lessions are well worth 10b isk
KeLLaX HUNLAR the Almighty Scalar Federation	Posted - 2009.02.18 03:56:00 - [49] Its better he gets scammed on internet with virtual money rather than in real life. That is what makes eve different than other games. It's a more likely reflection of real life. And as in real life, scammers are a part of it too. I see it as a part of the learning chain. Never be too naive, never be too canny. I don't ask for ransom, but when people offer it... I take it :) then I still pop them. It's not like I am a psychopath getting some sort of joy out of that. You can't even trust the people you know nowadays, how can you trust anyone online? Today he trusts a person that says he will let him go for 50m, tomorrow he trusts a drug dealer he met online. 1. Either %100 of the players will have to be honest [which is no possible] and people will have utmost trust on each other... 2. Or people will consider anyone [but not everyone of course] could be up to something evil and be prepared, which is more like real life... So in the end of the day, this is just a game, we fly internet spaceship and play with binary digit money... I say let him scam people :) may be that's something he needs to learn too; to cope with his conscious afterwards...
Th0rG0d Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2009.02.18 04:01:00 - [50] I have a 6 year old myself, and I let him play almost any other game, but none online. I don't feel he needs to be exposed yet to other (mostly older) gamers until he learns how to interact with complete stranger in RL. He watches me play Eve, and gets excited when I am chatting with my corp mates, ect..... That being said, I feel Eve would have a lot to offer younger kids, as their is much to learn about many different aspects of the game that can be applied to many RL situations. Why are Eve players more serious than other gamers? I think that it is the "time" aspect that this game can demand. The amount of time invested usually correlates to how successful you are in game. A game that goes on whether you logon or not, and that makes it exciting, and serious for some! Good luck with your son, hopefully he will pick up some good gaming habits, and come out of this with a better understanding of contracts, and that games are just that....
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2009.02.18 04:43:00 - [51] posting b/c op made me smile. Twas a great lesson your boy learned in EVE. No joke. --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community
eFart	Posted - 2009.02.18 04:53:00 - [52] can some1 explane the op ina nutshell i mean did he get scamed or whats the prob honestly theirs too much blar blar if he got scamed hes a dumass if not why talk that much
Belco Ssefeaba Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.18 05:18:00 - [53] Originally by: T3 Alt Far too young to be playing Eve. This is YOUR fault. The game really isn't that hard to grasp, as much as a lot of people who play this game would like to believe...I think the only thing that makes it difficult for people is the fact that its UI is very different from other MMOs. I'm really not all that surprised that the 7 year old was able to understand the game, given he had an experienced person close at hand to help him. Children really are underestimated for their ability to learn things quickly. Sorry to hear he got scammed so badly. I hope he's still enjoying the game regardless.
Miss Artica Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.02.18 05:20:00 - [54] Was a nice story. Better for him to learn a lesson like this here where its "controlled" than on the street with his real "lunch money" or something to that effect... Its a cool way for you and your son to bond. Make sure he gets plenty of sunlight though!
Roy34543	Posted - 2009.02.18 05:46:00 - [55] Edited by: Roy34543 on 18/02/2009 05:47:36 Originally by: Miz DeMille Originally by: T3 Alt Far too young to be playing Eve. This is YOUR fault. I played Space Invaders when I was about 7 or so. Why is 7 too young for EVE? With a profanity filter on, and a dose of common sense (which my son seems to have more of than many EVE players twice his age) I don't see much of a difference other than perception. It seems people perceive online games as something super serious. My son has no access to MySPace or places like that. But blowing up spaceships? Why get so serious about it? It has less to do with the game itself then the fact that EVE is the home to one of the most apathetic and downright mean communities on the internet. And some people love it like that.
Caldreean Dawnwalkers	Posted - 2009.02.18 05:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Pesky LaRue funny, i must be old and jaded and cynical but the first thing i thought when i read this thread was "boy, what an inventive scam - i wonder how many people are going to send ISK with a message like 'your poor son, i hope this makes him feel better!'" but i'm wrong, right? You know I had the exact same thought when I saw this. And I bet people have already sent isk.
Marc Bastalle Prometheus Academy	Posted - 2009.02.18 05:51:00 - [57] Edited by: Marc Bastalle on 18/02/2009 05:51:47 I might be overly cynical, but to me the OP smells like "Oh, I'll cook up a sad story and hope people feel sorry for me, then send some ISK on their own accord" a beautiful scam. EDIT: Oh... I see I'm not the only one :p ---- New players click above!
Roah Baztohr Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:10:00 - [58] Personally, I'm more surprised that a 7 yo kid should feel the need to help his parents financially than that he's allowed to play EVE... I agree that learning that a game is in the end not very important is a good thing, and I don't think EVE as a game is unsuited for children, however, I'd be hesitant about exposing a kid to an online community such as this one unsupervised... And while it's not essentially "very important", it's a hobby of sorts, compare it to stamp-collecting if you will. If you lost a large part of your collection, that's basically "not important", but not thinking it's important at all would defeat the purpose of the hobby... I have 2 questions for you: -What is the point you're trying to make? Scamming is bad? Your son is super-smart? You're parenting skills are fantastic? I don't mean this to be offensive, I'm just wondering. You say "So, in conclusion, if you're a scammer - keep in mind who you might be scamming. You never know who's on the other end." But you also say that this was a valuable lesson, and you were obviously aware that stuff like this happens in EVE. So isn't what the scammer did a good thing then? -Are you sure your son is being honest? I mean, he's buying plex to help you, right? With your own ISK, that he shouldn't even have access to...? Why didn't he just say "hey dad, you could buy some plex with ISK and save cash!" Does he also take money out of your wallet to buy lottery tickets for you? If at seven he's smart enough to understand EVE and understand the financial crisis, I'd consider he might also be smart enough to scam you in some way ;)
Freyus Bargem	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:19:00 - [59] Man i started playing eve when i was around 13 I have since been scammed by a few people to the tune of probably over 2-3 billion isk. yeah i felt bad about it, but i didn't come onto the forums trying to make the people feel sorry for what they have done. DEAL WITH IT FFS! HE HAS BEEN SCAMMED NOTHING YOU CAN DO WILL CHANGE THAT!
K1RTH G3RS3N Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 17/02/2009 23:33:16 Is it a bad thing to learn for a seven year old that there are bad people on the internet? And this.

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