Originally by: Dread Phantom

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It was droped, picked up, thrown against a wall and then a dog pee'd on it

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Originally by: achoura

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Originally by: Dread Phantom

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It was droped, picked up, thrown against a wall and then a dog pee'd on it

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Yes but what about the fuelbay...

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Originally by: Mike C

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Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...

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Originally by: Dray

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Is this coming or has it been dropped?

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Originally by: Armoured C

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erm you ot a cloaking transport that can also use the jump portal... i believe that a big enough fuel bay for you

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Originally by: Dray

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For me there's 3 options available that would help.

1. The fuel bay (looks like that's dropped).
2. Decrease fuel consumption.
3. Increase jump range.

While 2 and 3 look good I still prefer option 1.

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Originally by: Lachesis Moirae

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Why not just do all 3? They clearly need some loving, and the combination of all 3 would make them a lot more useful.

4. Covops Cynos can be lit in cyno-jammed systems

Not sure if that ever made it in, but if not, adding that would also help a lot.

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Originally by: Dray

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1. The fuel bay (looks like that's dropped)
2. Decrease fuel consumption
3. Increase jump range

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Originally by: Aeleva

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ive yet to use it on TQ but isnt the redeemer pretty good for sneaky snipe/grief kills? sit cloaked till someone is mining in belt, uncloak, pew pew pew, recloak.

I will admit ive not seen them used anywhere though, and not seen any on kms.

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Originally by: Lana Torrin

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(Also, they warp cloak, your unlikely to see them even if they are used a lot, not being on kill mails however is a good indicator)

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Originally by: Ahz

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Originally by: Lana Torrin

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(Also, they warp cloak, your unlikely to see them even if they are used a lot, not being on kill mails however is a good indicator)

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They warp cloaked?

Since when?

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Originally by: Rex Lashar

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You have a fuel bay, its called a cargohold. The amount of space you need for ammo to remain viable in PVP is negligible, and unless you rely on cap charges.. what else are you going to carry around? A black ops with top skills, for example Redeemer, can make three complete maximum range jumps before refueling.

And now you have Blockade Runners that warp cloaked and travel via Covert Portals. A Prorator, for example, carries >8000m3 of cargo easily. So the situation isn't as dire as people have made it.

Black ops fuel bay is just a convenient whipping boy for the people who feel this class is broken, because they can't enumerate the displeasure they feel in better terms. I will say with perfect conviction that the vast majority of people who are displeased are comparing it on value and not capability.

Black Ops are perfectly capable of doing their assigned task, but you pay a steep price for what amounts to marginal advantages in niche circumstances. If Black Ops cost as much as a regular Battleship, everybody in this entire game would say they're overpowered.

Considering I pvp with value ships, even though I can afford to pimp out Black Ops and Marauders with faction - I sympathize. However, it would be ridiculous for Black Ops to become mainstream. Part of their usefulness comes from the fact that many people don't expect it, and when they see it, aren't prepared for it. It's the same way with ECM. Now that a Falcon has increased value (at least over a Rook/Scorp), everyone uses it and everyone expects it. Despite it being FOTM, a Falcon was way more unexpected and therefore effective than it is now.

This entire matter with Black Ops stems from the fact that so many people want to use them, but can't justify it from a value perspective. The only people that can are the ones who are actually in a position where such marginal benefits are advantageous.

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Originally by: Rex Lashar

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This entire matter with Black Ops stems from the fact that so many people want to use them, but can't justify it from a value perspective.

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• First: You need a cyno pilot to get the BO into the target system
• Second: you need the BO pilot

• Add a fuel bay. It could increase by 10% per skill level giving a meaningful skill for these ships. Done this way it's easy to anticipate exactly how many ships can be moved and under what scenarios.
• Increase range for jump portal: The longer the range the more valuable they become. Moving a small gang 3 jumps is hardly worth bringing the BO along. Moving them 6 jumps is an excellent reason to bring one along.
• Limit the ship hulls to frigates and allow all frigate types: This doesn't overpower the ships but still allows it to deliver a real punch. It also gives people a reason to fly assault frigates and e-war ships.

Originally by: Rex Lashar

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You have a fuel bay, its called a cargohold. The amount of space you need for ammo to remain viable in PVP is negligible, and unless you rely on cap charges.. what else are you going to carry around? A black ops with top skills, for example Redeemer, can make three complete maximum range jumps before refueling.

And now you have Blockade Runners that warp cloaked and travel via Covert Portals. A Prorator, for example, carries >8000m3 of cargo easily. So the situation isn't as dire as people have made it.

Black ops fuel bay is just a convenient whipping boy for the people who feel this class is broken, because they can't enumerate the displeasure they feel in better terms. I will say with perfect conviction that the vast majority of people who are displeased are comparing it on value and not capability.

Black Ops are perfectly capable of doing their assigned task, but you pay a steep price for what amounts to marginal advantages in niche circumstances. If Black Ops cost as much as a regular Battleship, everybody in this entire game would say they're overpowered.

Considering I pvp with value ships, even though I can afford to pimp out Black Ops and Marauders with faction - I sympathize. However, it would be ridiculous for Black Ops to become mainstream. Part of their usefulness comes from the fact that many people don't expect it, and when they see it, aren't prepared for it. It's the same way with ECM. Now that a Falcon has increased value (at least over a Rook/Scorp), everyone uses it and everyone expects it. Despite it being FOTM, a Falcon was way more unexpected and therefore effective than it is now.

This entire matter with Black Ops stems from the fact that so many people want to use them, but can't justify it from a value perspective. The only people that can are the ones who are actually in a position where such marginal benefits are advantageous.

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Originally by: Ahz

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In fact, it's hard to imagine a scenario where you're not better off putting the BO pilot and BO cyno pilot into force recons. It will always be cheaper to do so and will yield a more flexible gang.

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