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Nomistrav
High Flyers RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:10:00 -
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Note: Not sure if this is the right thread to post this in but since it's partially related to Eve Online figured it was the best bet X_x;
http://www.perpetuum-online.com/
So, after watching the video for this, I noticed a great degree of similarity. Now, I'm not just trying to bash this game or anything about it but I am trying to point out how much of an effect Eve Online has put on the gaming industry that a game would be made with such likeness as to even borrow it's skill training ideals.
Right down to the point of naming some of the skills "Rapid Firing" and "Sharpshooter" on a level scale.
It also has customized fitting windows, open-world PvP in a persistent sandbox, player-driven economy, and corporations.
Coincidence or Eve Forever?
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:14:00 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Note: Not sure if this is the right thread to post this in but since it's partially related to Eve Online figured it was the best bet X_x; http://www.perpetuum-online.com/So, after watching the video for this, I noticed a great degree of similarity. Now, I'm not just trying to bash this game or anything about it but I am trying to point out how much of an effect Eve Online has put on the gaming industry that a game would be made with such likeness as to even borrow it's skill training ideals. Right down to the point of naming some of the skills "Rapid Firing" and "Sharpshooter" on a level scale. It also has customized fitting windows, open-world PvP in a persistent sandbox, player-driven economy, and corporations. Coincidence or Eve Forever?
That game got a MASSIVE influx of disappointed EVE players when Incarnage hit. Their devs would do well to emulate EVE at least in some ways. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:16:00 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Note: Not sure if this is the right thread to post this in but since it's partially related to Eve Online figured it was the best bet X_x; http://www.perpetuum-online.com/So, after watching the video for this, I noticed a great degree of similarity. Now, I'm not just trying to bash this game or anything about it but I am trying to point out how much of an effect Eve Online has put on the gaming industry that a game would be made with such likeness as to even borrow it's skill training ideals. Right down to the point of naming some of the skills "Rapid Firing" and "Sharpshooter" on a level scale. It also has customized fitting windows, open-world PvP in a persistent sandbox, player-driven economy, and corporations. Coincidence or Eve Forever? I tried it when it was in beta. It's pretty much a direct copy/paste of Eve, except the graphics looks like they're from the mid-90's.
Tobiaz wrote: That game got a MASSIVE influx of disappointed EVE players when Incarnage hit. Their devs would do well to emulate EVE at least in some ways.
No their devs would be better off getting something unique that people can't get elsewhere instead of being in inferior version of a game people can already play. For the record there aren't any ways left that they haven't copied Eve. It's really more like an Eve robot mod than a separate game. If I was CCP I'd have sued them into bankruptcy already. |
Nomistrav
High Flyers RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:20:00 -
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But is the gameplay good...? |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:21:00 -
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Its not a bad game and there are tons of ex EVE players there, but its not EVE
Also
Inb4 lock I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:23:00 -
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Nomistrav wrote:But is the gameplay good...? The gameplay is identical to Eve except with robots instead of ships and 1994 graphics. |
Nomistrav
High Flyers RED.OverLord
7
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:23:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Its not a bad game and there are tons of ex EVE players there, but its not EVE
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Inb4 lock
Huh, didn't know this could be locked lol. Whoops ^_^;;; |
teh mole
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:24:00 -
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Lol it's like Eve except with robots on land instead of ships in space. At least the learning curve for Eve vets on that game would be very small. |
Nomistrav
High Flyers RED.OverLord
7
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:24:00 -
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Lord Dravius wrote:Nomistrav wrote:But is the gameplay good...? The gameplay is identical to Eve except with robots instead of ships and 1994 graphics.
Wait so you have to ctrl+click to lock the target and then fire in pre-determined patterns O_o???
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Whitehound
196
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:24:00 -
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Competition is good.
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:25:00 -
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The PvP is good. |
Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:26:00 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Lord Dravius wrote:Nomistrav wrote:But is the gameplay good...? The gameplay is identical to Eve except with robots instead of ships and 1994 graphics. Wait so you have to ctrl+click to lock the target and then fire in pre-determined patterns O_o??? I don't remember if they use the ctrl key, but everything is exactly like Eve except they have bad graphics, a smaller budget and devs who can't think of their own ideas. |
RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:28:00 -
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just dont use the same username / password combinition http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
479
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:40:00 -
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I tried this game back when everyone was whining and crying about being able to see their characters in their quarters and how CCP was putting a gun to their heads, screaming in their faces, forcing them to spend PLEX/cash on items in the NEX store.
It was so much like EVE (minus the graphics) that it made me want to play EVE. So I came back to EVE.
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Whitehound
196
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:48:00 -
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Lord Dravius wrote:Competition is good. Plagiarism isn't. And the Italians invented ice cream, so they say.
Do you know what they say in China when you accuse them of copying? "It's just you."
Complain about it as much as you like, but the Chinese have the attitude of EVE players.
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 12:58:00 -
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Lord Dravius wrote:Nomistrav wrote:But is the gameplay good...? The gameplay is identical to Eve except with robots instead of ships and 1994 graphics. I mean that literally. The screenshots on the website are fake. When you're in the actual game it looks a lot worse.
From what I understand, Perpetuum Online is actually based on one of the earlier expansions of Eve Online that was somehow reverse engineered and had its code not only cracked open but also stolen to create a rip off of Eve Online. Since it's based on a very old expansion with plenty of bugs then it is no surprise that Perpetuum Online looks hideous and buggy to most people.
Since you now point out that the website posted false screenshots of their game, not only are the developers of Perpetuum Online guilty of stealing proprietary code for financial gain, they are also misbranding. In which case, both instances are grounds for a lawsuit by CCP Games (well, at least the proprietary part).
Since I have not yet seen or heard CCP do anything about it, I can only assume that CCP thinks that Perpetuum is so crappy it will never compete with Eve Online or any other MMO for that matter. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:07:00 -
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From what I've seen and heard that game isn't that much competition for EVE WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Grace Chang
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:15:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:
From what I understand, Perpetuum Online is actually based on one of the earlier expansions of Eve Online that was somehow reverse engineered and had its code not only cracked open but also stolen to create a rip off of Eve Online. Since it's based on a very old expansion with plenty of bugs then it is no surprise that Perpetuum Online looks hideous and buggy to most people.
Obviously you don't understand much. If it was that easy, i am fairly certain CCP would have already sued. The fact that they didn't is a very good indication that there is not much ground for a lawsuit.
Besides considering your "rip off" theory you are talking out of your ass. Both the Perpetuum Client as the Perpetuum Server is written in C#, while Eve is written as a clusterfuck of Python, C++ and Pascal (haha!). Well i guess they are trying to fix that with Carbon, but whatever... technically Perpetuum is definately written from scratch.
They definately copied some concepts, but you can't protect basic ideas such as a "skill system". Not in the EU anyways. And rightly so.
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gaszy mexican
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:42:00 -
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played it . its **** . old news that its a copy paste of eve. move along. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:47:00 -
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I'm sorry I called you out as a troll, Nomistrav. Turns out you just post repeated advertisement for Perpetuum.
FYI quite alot of us tried (and stopped there) it when CCP burned what little goodwill they had among the players last summer. It definately had potential too, but one vital aspect in EVE is PvP, and that's something those damn robots stink at. It was so bad that when I asked for PvP, some people suggested a certain zone but then replied "why'd you want to go there", mentioning it was no profit in doing so. When I ask about getting drops from kills, stealing loot etc, it caused an outrage, I got namecalled and people immediately suggested I should be banned before I could do such a thing.
It might have a similar skillsystem, but it's definately not similar to EVE gameplay wise. It might cater for some of our highsec carebear that keep screaming for more security (they will find that for their robots), but for your average Joe in EVE, it won't.
And your blantant advertisement for another game is quite damn silly tbfh. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:25:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote:[quote=Henry Haphorn]and Pascal (haha!)
wtf is wrong with Pascal? You realize (last I heard) EFT is written in Delphi. :P
http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
337
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:39:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Lord Dravius wrote:Competition is good. Plagiarism isn't. And the Italians invented ice cream, so they say. Do you know what they say in China when you accuse them of copying? "It's just you." Complain about it as much as you like, but the Chinese have the attitude of EVE players.
OMG ... you made me realize, WE ALL ARE CHINESE IN SPIRIT!!!!!
ARGHHHH!!!! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:41:00 -
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No spaceships. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
67
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:38:00 -
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Great game, played it for a few months
Unfortunately spaceships > mechs in my heart so I came back.. It's very 'eveie'.. harsh, unforgiving, similar controls and skills, and very fun PVP. |
Nomistrav
High Flyers RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.04.24 17:23:00 -
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Misanth wrote:I'm sorry I called you out as a troll, Nomistrav. Turns out you just post repeated advertisement for Perpetuum.
FYI quite alot of us tried (and stopped there) it when CCP burned what little goodwill they had among the players last summer. It definately had potential too, but one vital aspect in EVE is PvP, and that's something those damn robots stink at. It was so bad that when I asked for PvP, some people suggested a certain zone but then replied "why'd you want to go there", mentioning it was no profit in doing so. When I ask about getting drops from kills, stealing loot etc, it caused an outrage, I got namecalled and people immediately suggested I should be banned before I could do such a thing.
It might have a similar skillsystem, but it's definately not similar to EVE gameplay wise. It might cater for some of our highsec carebear that keep screaming for more security (they will find that for their robots), but for your average Joe in EVE, it won't.
And your blantant advertisement for another game is quite damn silly tbfh.
It's not advertisement, I just found it by sheer luck and chance and was like, "This is a lot like Eve Online." In fact, I just quoted my exact words that I stated to myself when I visible saw the website video.
In retort to your fallacy that I am posting repeated advertisement for Perpetuum, I'll remind that in the previous thread that I posted the link concerning such I had very clearly said that I was going to make another thread regarding it. Whether you chose to overlook that and to expand upon it as a further extension of your argument in this thread, or to simply try and make an assumption geared toward my motives and intentions is clearly beyond me. However, in that respect, I have but one thing to say:
I am not advertising for a game I have not played, nor honestly give a **** about, and if you disagree than I invite you to defend your honor in Eve Online =) |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
314
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Posted - 2012.04.24 17:53:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:
From what I understand, Perpetuum Online is actually based on one of the earlier expansions of Eve Online that was somehow reverse engineered and had its code not only cracked open but also stolen to create a rip off of Eve Online. Since it's based on a very old expansion with plenty of bugs then it is no surprise that Perpetuum Online looks hideous and buggy to most people.
Obviously you don't understand much. If it was that easy, i am fairly certain CCP would have already sued. The fact that they didn't is a very good indication that there is not much ground for a lawsuit....
Henry Haphorn wrote:Since I have not yet seen or heard CCP do anything about it, I can only assume that CCP thinks that Perpetuum is so crappy it will never compete with Eve Online or any other MMO for that matter. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
259
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:18:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:[quote=Lord Dravius][quote=Nomistrav] Since you now point out that the website posted false screenshots of their game, not only are the developers of Perpetuum Online guilty of stealing proprietary code for financial gain, they are also misbranding. In which case, both instances are grounds for a lawsuit by CCP Games (well, at least the proprietary part).
That's a stupid argument for misbranding, just as EvE does it in every expansion trailer. It uses in game art yes, but we don't gracefully float between rocks as they depict in trailers, nor do our characters even interact with anyone like in the Dust trailer.
There is no way to prove of them stealing proprietary code either. Just that they have made their UI operate similarly to EVEs.
I'm just seeing made up reasons to not liking it, other than real reasons. I love mechs. but I didn't enjoy perpetuum much as it was very empty and lacked life and variety for a sandbox. Also hated the backstory of just being a human transformer spark inhabiting alien robots in communication via micro wormhole. UUUUggggh.
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Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
9
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Posted - 2012.04.24 18:31:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Also hated the backstory of just being a human transformer spark inhabiting alien robots in communication via micro wormhole. UUUUggggh.
LOL, come on. You HAVE to be kidding.
*goes to check* . . . . . . . . . .
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Saladin Boneslash
EveMerc's
3
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:04:00 -
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I tried it for a few months way back when it was in beta. Decent enough rip-off of Eve (despite the developers saying that it wasn't), but it was very unforgiving of my then-poor internet connection. The one thing that they got right and which I wish was true in Eve is that the surroundings affect pvp. For example, the terrain and plant growth (trees, etc) interferes with your shots.
If Eve were to implement that it would make things much more interesting in asteroid belt fights, for example. You would be able to use the rocks as cover. But that would be a big change in the underlying code, so I don't expect CCP to do it anytime soon, if ever. |
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ISD Grossvogel
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.04.24 21:09:00 -
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