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mingeta dong BEER Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:08:00 - [31] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Usual bitter crap How about trying to be constructive and not reducing the thread to a flame fest?
Ultin Harvor Gallente Tektrust Industries	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:10:00 - [32] I am totally against it, for all the cons posted above. It's all about control, and I don't like that one bit. As a University student the UK Government is likely to start here with the handing out of ID cards, and the most likely tactic they will use is to give them out for free and possibly add some sort of discount when you show one in a shop. I am still not going to get one. It goes against everything I stand for, personal freedom and liberties have been crushed left, right and center ever since some PR guy came up with the phrase 'War on Terror'. I really do not like the fact that we cannot peacefully protest outside Westminster or Downing Street. Instead they give us a police 'escort' and force the protesters around routes which escape all the higher-ups in the Government. They should really let us protest, they don't have to listen to us but they should at least know how we (the public and the people who put these crack-pots in 'power') feel. I am also against a big database collating all of our information, especially in a modern world where money is power and information equals money and, therefore, power.
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:11:00 - [33] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 19/02/2009 12:12:17 Originally by: mingeta dong Originally by: 7shining7one7 Usual bitter crap How about trying to be constructive and not reducing the thread to a flame fest? how about staying on topic instead of trying to instigate, no thx to the id/chip was the first words in my post.
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:18:00 - [34] The governement can stuff it's ID card scheme up it's collective bottom. In any case, I'm pretty sure that any evidence used to prosecute someone on the basis of it would breach parts of the ECHR, most likely article 6 (sort of similar to the 5th amendment in the US)... although I am aware that this hasn't stopped the swines thus far; section 172 NIP anyone? Quite how this is supposed to protect us from terrorism is unclear... it's not like possesion of an ID card will allow you to carry rucksacks full of chemicals onto the London Underground anyway and the last I heard, the DVLA weren't issuing permits for car bombs... although I could be wrong. There is also the potential for much more harm from abuse of the system by fraudsters and incompetence on the part of the administrators. I won't even raise the subject of fishing expeditions by police under pressure to get results and with no actual evidence in the "classic" sense of the term. I think civil disobedience is the order of the day and, at the risk of actually agreeing with Dantes Emorage, I have no intention of nerfing my civil liberties by applying for or carrying one of these should the govt. ever manage to force them through. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
mingeta dong BEER Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:19:00 - [35] Originally by: 7shining7one7 no thx to the id/chip was the first words in my post. From which point you started to attack regular forum posters, how is that on topic? meh, I'm not going to get into this with you, replying to me is a waste of your time.
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:20:00 - [36] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 19/02/2009 12:21:34 Originally by: mingeta dong Originally by: 7shining7one7 no thx to the id/chip was the first words in my post. From which point you started to attack regular forum posters, how is that on topic? meh, I'm not going to get into this with you, replying to me is a waste of your time. Originally by: reven cordelle We need some device wired into our BRAIN or something. As long as I can get the internet wired straight into my face, I - and most likely the majority of the consumer population, will be happy. LOOK AT THIS SJIT AND TELL ME I'M LYING...
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:36:00 - [37] Edited by: Reven Cordelle on 19/02/2009 12:38:12 Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: reven cordelle We need some device wired into our BRAIN or something. As long as I can get the internet wired straight into my face, I - and most likely the majority of the consumer population, will be happy. LOOK AT THIS SJIT AND TELL ME I'M LYING... You're lying. :3 By the way - the people you so boldly mentioned... "Akita T, Cedric Diggory, Reven Cordelle, Merin/Sera ryskin, Michael Dietrich, RValdez" Yeah, we're all leet. 'Nuff said.
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Jorev Dannel Originally by: rValdez5987 I'm for National ID, preferably as a chip that is inserted into your arm surgically in such a way that it cannot be removed except by a special confidential method. I'm surprised so many people are in favour of such implants. Some very obvious problems with this: 1. You're storing vital information in a way that can be destroyed or lost just when you need it the most. People start relying on the chip for medical history, then there's a big accident with severed and crushed limbs and suddenly people can't cope without the access they're used to. 2. Three letters: MRI. Throw all the machines away, everyone's got metal in their bodies so you can't place them in giant magnets anymore. 3. Dog Wags the Tail: It's not the medium that's important, it's the information that's stored on the medium. Unless you want to subject a patient to surgery every time his medical information needs an update, it'd be possible to read and write to and from the implant externally, which means the information would be hackable by anyone sooner or later. 4. Toxicity and Failure: Allergies, blood clots, problem of operating on people with conditions like hemophillia, etc. It's a massive time and resource cost and would inevitably lead to exceptions to the rule existing, which con-men could exploit. 5. Uncheckable Chips: If it requires surgery to put it in, you've no way to know if it's even there later on. If you can't read the chip is it because it's failed from wear and tear, or has it been removed? Is your equipment malfunctioning? Has the data on the chip become corrupted? Performing surgery to find out leads to lawsuits and misery when someone ends up dying because some guy's scanner was badly maintained. 6. Faking It: How does the scanner know it's scanning the inside of your arm? Why not put a fake chip in a lead armband and instantly become someone else for all methods involving remote sensors? 7. Psyche! The information on the chip can be read, so it can be copied. Copy it to a blank chip six or seven hundred times. Boom! You're everywhere. Or someone else is everywhere. 8. Confidential method? It's just flesh and bone. Nothing you can do will make an implant in the human body impossible to remove. The only way to make it hard is to make it dangerous and that's just not feasable on a large number of recipients because it'll generate a large number of errors when you're putting the darn things in. 9. I'll take that... if your bank can scan your bank information without operating on your arm, that guy trying to steal your bank information can scan it too without ever even touching you. It's just a big black hole of impossibilities and failures. QFT
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:47:00 - [39] by law i have to keep my ID card/password whit me and i will never keep whit me( i have all the time my health care card in case of a health problem).If this crap begin to be a problem i will move in other country where a individual can have more freedom Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:49:00 - [40] One word: Paranoia. People seem to think theres some kind of "grass is greener" ** going on if you just deny all government and any plans it has at incorporating fleeting levels of security. So what if they're watching you? Oh.. You mean you're worried that they'll be watching whilst you browse Rule 34 websites? And you really don't think they have anything better to do? Haha. As long as I can buy **, drive my car and check out the ladies... I honestly couldn't care less about "big brother watching". I'd just prefer to get on with living, rather than spend my time living - whining about living.
Polkageist Minmatar Accelerating Nanomechanical Industries	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:53:00 - [41] imagine if a new **** came to power, how easy the sick totalitarian order could round up people who opposed the regime. Saying no to ID-chips and biometrical datastorage is simply a precaution. But yeah as some people says, (if you got nothing to hide...) Well we got something to hide cause we're not gonna eat the propaganda. "but teh ebil tewworists..." Yeah They are stuck on the top of the pyramid, in the governments and the inteligence services. When you realise 9/11, 7/7 and who knows what was a false flag op you will see... "but teh media, they will protects us..." One word; Propaganda. So convincing it'l eat you **ing brain
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.19 12:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Polkageist imagine if a new **** came to power, how easy the sick totalitarian order could round up people who opposed the regime. Saying no to ID-chips and biometrical datastorage is simply a precaution. But yeah as some people says, (if you got nothing to hide...) Well we got something to hide cause we're not gonna eat the propaganda. "but teh ebil tewworists..." Yeah They are stuck on the top of the pyramid, in the governments and the inteligence services. When you realise 9/11, 7/7 and who knows what was a false flag op you will see... "but teh media, they will protects us..." One word; Propaganda. So convincing it'l eat you **ing brain Hehe, its almost funny. Tragic, but funny.
Polkageist Minmatar Accelerating Nanomechanical Industries	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:01:00 - [43] yeah the comedy begins cause the funny mother****ers dont see it coming round again
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:07:00 - [44] for ppl that say i have nothing to hide, the question is if you are a honest and you dint make anything illegal why government need to track you ? also about the terrorism thing more ppl die because of cancer that terrorism but governments give more money to anti-terror things that cancer cure, where is the logic ? Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Polkageist yeah the comedy begins cause the funny mother**ers dont see it coming round again Yeah thats probably what it is. But hey, Don't be sad. You can always start by; - Burning your Car. - Closing all of your bank accounts. - Getting rid of your job. - Stop using the internet where you can be IP Traced. - Destroying your computer which may hold sensitive data about you. - Disposing of your Cellphone - It can be used to track you wherever you are. -Turning Invisible, CCTV will film you more often than you realise. - Living in a tent in the forest so you can't be found. - Talking to Nobody. - Trusting Nobody. If ** really is as bad as you think it is, you're not doing yourself any favours by continuing to post on a forum where you can be tracked by anyone, at any time.. if they actually had any reason to. Simply existing these days creates one hell of a trail that leads directly to you, and only you... so don't think a chip in your head changes anything - it just makes it easier to track you. Not like it isn't easy already.
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:11:00 - [46] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Originally by: Polkageist yeah the comedy begins cause the funny mother**ers dont see it coming round again Yeah thats probably what it is. But hey, Don't be sad. You can always start by; - Burning your Car. - Closing all of your bank accounts. - Getting rid of your job. - Stop using the internet where you can be IP Traced. - Destroying your computer which may hold sensitive data about you. - Disposing of your Cellphone - It can be used to track you wherever you are. -Turning Invisible, CCTV will film you more often than you realise. - Living in a tent in the forest so you can't be found. - Talking to Nobody. - Trusting Nobody. If ** really is as bad as you think it is, you're not doing yourself any favours by continuing to post on a forum where you can be tracked by anyone, at any time.. if they actually had any reason to. Simply existing these days creates one hell of a trail that leads directly to you, and only you... so don't think a chip in your head changes anything - it just makes it easier to track you. Not like it isn't easy already. nice troll Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
Polkageist Minmatar Accelerating Nanomechanical Industries	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:11:00 - [47] good point. Now its class time... happy trolling
Miyuki Venetas Caldari Miyuki Labs	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:54:00 - [48] Dead against. A very brief study of the events taking place in Europe during 1939 and 1945 should be all anyone needs to comprehend why making it even easier for governments to assemble information on individuals is the worst idea since the Ronco(tm) Home Surgery Kit. I'm glad people can live with the false belief that such things haven't happened since and can't happen again. I'll stick to understanding several millennium of human history and being 'paranoid', thanks.
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:58:00 - [49] Too late for me, they are already in use here in Estonia. I don't have anything against them, as they do make life considerably more comfortable if there is proper support for them in goverment / industry side. Can log into interent bank with them, sign legal documents with my digital signature that is equal to in the eyes of law to my handwritten signature and can vote without having to drag myself out to voting station actually. Plus I can chek all information gtoverment has on me when loging into special secured enviroment using it. Certificate will last 3 years and pin code needed for it is memorized so loss of identity is unlikely.
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.02.19 14:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Miyuki Venetas .....the worst idea since the Ronco(tm) Home Surgery Kit. If it's good enough for Mickey Rourke, it's good enough for me. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Sgt Blade Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.02.19 14:01:00 - [51] I have a Hong Kong ID card which makes crossing the border to Mainland China and going to the hospital easy, nothing to sign or forms to fill in. Apart from needing your thumb print on the machine when crossing the border its effortless Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.19 14:07:00 - [52] I am in the middle. I am against it for the same reasons you are, but I also see the potential benefits. So what I propose is that make it voluntary for non-criminal citizens, say for people that are willing and/or their children, also make them mandatory for all who commit and are convicted of any felony. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Karma Eve University	Posted - 2009.02.19 14:26:00 - [53] Edited by: Karma on 19/02/2009 14:32:58 living in sweden, I've had an ID card since I was in 4th grade... (more of a way for my parents to know that if I got lost, whoever found me would know who I was, I guess) ... it's the same size as a creditcard, so not really a bother to carry around in the wallet :P it should be mentioned that I am not forced to carry it with me at all times, and having one or not is your choice ... just: it acts as a proof of age when buying alcohol and cigarettes, and certain types of gambling junk. no ID - no alchohol. and it acts as a proof of identity when dealing with banks or the authorities etc. once you get a driver's license, it can replace your ID card, though. same with passport... if you don't have either of those, though... yeah, here's your ID. which doesn't cost much, and is valid for ten years.
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.19 14:54:00 - [54] Originally by: Slade Trillgon I am in the middle. I am against it for the same reasons you are, but I also see the potential benefits. So what I propose is that make it voluntary for non-criminal citizens, say for people that are willing and/or their children, also make them mandatory for all who commit and are convicted of any felony. Slade You don't need to commit it to be convicted. In response to the people saying theydon't want to be watched: Mobile phones. CCTV (now with brandspanking new journey predictions via your car's reg. plate) Direct tap to all phonecalls and the ability to send any instantly to the FBI. The watching isn't so much to catch criminals. They can do that by this now forgotten word known as "investigation". They watch to police ideologies and anything that potentialy disagrees with thier way of functioning. -------sig------------------------------------ A higher grade of posting In many ways this game is alot like how Obama and Bush are related.
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Le Poupon They watch to police ideologies and anything that potentialy disagrees with thier way of functioning. this Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Jago Kain I think civil disobedience is the order of the day and, at the risk of actually agreeing with Dantes Emorage, I have no intention of nerfing my civil liberties by applying for or carrying one of these should the govt. ever manage to force them through. When Jago Kain agrees with Dante on something you know that it's serious.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.02.19 16:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Tinky Winkey Why do people always get their knickers in a twist when ID cards are mentioned.Why would the government want to track you ? Why is it an invasion of privacy ? If they wanted information on you they have no need to resort to an ID card you think ? The government could watch you and track you now without you knowing it, this anti ID card phopia people have is just the last remanents of a defunct left wing ideology. Please get over it. To answer most of your questions: "Papers, where are your papers!" Your right though that the government can track you if they really wanted to. With the number of security cameras (while no where near as many as the UK has in some places), GPS coming standard on phones and cars and what not you would really have to shed alot of things you take for granted these days and avoid even the most basic urban area these days. Though to answer your why would the government want to track you question your government may NOT want to track you but a future government, say one that has made it clear they want to do some ethnic cleansing based on the religion you were born into might have great interest in tracking you via any means they can. The thing about ID cards is that its the most over used form of totalitarian symbolism used by the media that its its ingrained in the minds of most western culture observers to have a natural reflex to be defiant of it. The irony of this though is many of us cant wait for age 16-18 when we can get our first drivers license which often times IS the papers needed to show proof of who we are. Also, I wouldnÆt say its an invasion of privacy per say but more of an incontinence for us as to have private information such as name, address, social security number and so forth all on one card makes it easy for pick pockets and purse snatchers to commit identity theft. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Doctor Penguin Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.02.19 16:58:00 - [58] First they came for the religious extremists. And I did not mind, because I was not a religious extremist... ________________________________________________
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.19 17:01:00 - [59] Against, there is nothing good that can come from ID cards.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.19 17:25:00 - [60] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/02/2009 17:27:27 I am not a number, I am a free man. It's not just the cards that are the issue, it's the database that supports the system.

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