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Godlesswanderer
Gallente
The Galactic Inquisition
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Posted - 2009.02.20 12:42:00 -
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Since starting back up as a pirate after a brief stint of mining until it became boring, which didn't take long, I've noticed that no one really pays ransoms anymore. I asked around and this seems to be because the general consensus among most of EVE is that pirates don't honour ransoms and so people think that if they pay the ransom they'll get blown up anyway.
So, I thought I'd take a poll (for both myself and as proof of the actual reality) of who among the pirate of EVE does and does not honour ransoms.
Yaaaarrrgh Poll!
Feel free to post here too as well as voting, otherwise we won't know who voted what way.
Personally, I'm the type to always honour a ransom deal. The only situations in which I wouldn't honour the deal would be if I let the victim go and either they started to attack me again or they tried to bring in back up afterwards. Any other time, if they've paid the ransom, I'll let them go peacefully.
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Alia Xi
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.20 12:50:00 -
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I've always honoured them IF I've offered them - which isn't always the case.
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Shigsy
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.02.20 13:24:00 -
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I've always honoured ransoms.
Just keep away from the new breed of "pirate".
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Andrest Disch
Amarr
Letiferi Praedones
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Posted - 2009.02.20 13:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Alia Xi
I've always honoured them IF I've offered them - which isn't always the case.
Then you would fall under "most of the time", see? |
Duriel Zhan
Steal Hawks
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Posted - 2009.02.20 13:55:00 -
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I would honour them if someone paid. So far I haven't had that many good opportunities to ask for a ransom, mostly due to my n00bness. All I've got from my demands is smack, blocks and sec status decreases.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.20 13:57:00 -
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Always!
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Godlesswanderer
Gallente
The Galactic Inquisition
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Posted - 2009.02.20 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Duriel Zhan
I would honour them if someone paid. So far I haven't had that many good opportunities to ask for a ransom, mostly due to my n00bness. All I've got from my demands is smack, blocks and sec status decreases.
In that case your vote would be 'Always'. If you offer a ransom intending to honour it but then they refuse, it's the thought that counts. ;)
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Eschiava Q
Minmatar
Blood Money Bootcamp
Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.02.20 14:03:00 -
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As a member of Blood Money Cartel (alliance) we always honor ransoms.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.20 14:12:00 -
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if i offer a ransom, i always honour it if they pay, but i have quite alot of isk so i dont ransom often
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2009.02.20 14:14:00 -
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Quote:
...if they've paid the ransom, I'll let them go peacefully.
This implies that you offer them a ransom or agree to honor one they offer you. It's entirely possible for you to 'always let them go if they have paid the ransom,' and at the same time end up killing a lot more people than you ransom.
With all my Love,
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Godlesswanderer
Gallente
The Galactic Inquisition
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Posted - 2009.02.20 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Eschiava Q
As a member of Blood Money Cartel (alliance) we always honor ransoms.
That's actually one of the things that inspired me to make this thread. I saw one of the members of Blood Money inc fly past me yesterday and I started reading their corp info about always honouring ransoms.
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Godlesswanderer
Gallente
The Galactic Inquisition
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Posted - 2009.02.20 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Quote:
...if they've paid the ransom, I'll let them go peacefully.
This implies that you offer them a ransom or agree to honor one they offer you. It's entirely possible for you to 'always let them go if they have paid the ransom,' and at the same time end up killing a lot more people than you ransom.
Basically, if I'm the first to attack, I will always offer a ransom, I don't kill randomly. I will only not offer a ransom if I was attacked first. Although if I'm attacked and end up winning, I may stop to ransom them to humiliate them a bit  .
If the ransom that I offer isn't paid in full, they go boom. If they pay the full ransom, then I turn off my webber/scram and let them go. I.e. They don't go boom. 
I'll probably only end up killing a lot more than I ransom if this trend of not paying keeps up.
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Gilgamesh1980
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.02.20 15:14:00 -
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in before Lecter
yes to honouring for TGA, anythign else is bad for business
Federic 'Gilgamesh1980' Chopin
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.20 15:27:00 -
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anyone in GH-SC will honor ransoms, or not stay in, merc contracts on people who don't will be discounted
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.20 15:29:00 -
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Good Business sense. Better still to do so and cultivate E-honour as well: you cant MAKE someone pay a ransom.
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Ruri Dant
Onorata Societa
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Posted - 2009.02.20 15:38:00 -
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Always, as a corp we have direct orders to honour ransoms based on PVP activities, if your ship/pod was killed by one of us after you paid a ransom you will have full reimbursment
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Gambuk
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Posted - 2009.02.20 15:45:00 -
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I've had several people pay ransoms, and we are forced to honor them under our corp guidelines.
Its just good business. I'd rather not pod someone if they're willing to pay me money, I get nothing for a podkill and I'm not a killmail *****.
So.. I always honor ransoms. But in saying that I would NEVER pay a ransom myself.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.20 16:03:00 -
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A man of my word, IF I agree to a ransom the target gets to warp away in his ship.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2009.02.20 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Godlesswanderer
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Quote:
...if they've paid the ransom, I'll let them go peacefully.
This implies that you offer them a ransom or agree to honor one they offer you. It's entirely possible for you to 'always let them go if they have paid the ransom,' and at the same time end up killing a lot more people than you ransom.
Basically, if I'm the first to attack, I will always offer a ransom, I don't kill randomly. I will only not offer a ransom if I was attacked first. Although if I'm attacked and end up winning, I may stop to ransom them to humiliate them a bit .
If the ransom that I offer isn't paid in full, they go boom. If they pay the full ransom, then I turn off my webber/scram and let them go. I.e. They don't go boom.
I'll probably only end up killing a lot more than I ransom if this trend of not paying keeps up.
OK.
I don't operate on those guidelines. Chances are I would be happier with the killmail + loot than I would be with the potential ransom money, so in most cases I do not offer ransoms. I just kill randomly, as you put it. Though ofc, any ship that's worth a lot and won't show up on our killboard will get ransomed.
With all my Love,
'Little Cinnamon'
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ShadowMaiden
Amarr
Metal Machine
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Posted - 2009.02.20 16:07:00 -
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Honour, in a computer game....riiiiight
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Alia Xi
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.20 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Andrest Disch
Originally by: Alia Xi
I've always honoured them IF I've offered them - which isn't always the case.
Then you would fall under "most of the time", see?
I would fall under "always" because when I have offered/accepted a ransom they go on their merry way.
If there is no ransom offered/accepted, then there is nothing to honour.
See? 
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Cat o'Fivetails
Rancer Defence League.
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Posted - 2009.02.20 16:39:00 -
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Those nasty Neo Spartans ransomed Betty's twin brother for 1 Billion!!
The ransom was paid, but they killed him anyway!!!!
True story.
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.02.20 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Fivetails
Those nasty Neo Spartans ransomed Betty's twin brother for 1 Billion!!
The ransom was paid, but they killed him anyway!!!!
True story.
Your petty smear campaign will get you nowhere Cat...
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.20 17:09:00 -
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Betty is really a post-op Llama with a good makeup artist- there, i said it.
Anyway, it would be interesting if a well organized outfit went public with a comprehensive overview of the profits they make:
1.) Honouring ransoms.
2.) Just popping targets and selling the loot.
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Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1 |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.20 17:20:00 -
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Any website called "polldaddy.com" is going to raise eyebrows at work, so I'm afraid I must decline taking part :(
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Mithos Victus
Aurelius Federation
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.20 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mithos Victus on 20/02/2009 17:25:16
A year ago this issue was just a quiet warning from the more veteran pirates in the game that the newest generation of up and coming pirates were doing it wrong, as it were. They were trying to have their cake and eat it too. Well of course, it seems like the problem has now only been further amplified by the speed nerf and gate buff.
Seems like this will become an increasingly pertinent issue as the notoriety and ability to put stock on paying ransoms and being let loose fades.
IMO the only good pirate is the pirate who either destroys at will, or not only honors ransoms but is wise enough to demand a ransom that the target is likely to pay.
I read a thread a long time ago by a very experienced pirate who said he never demanded ransom more than 50% of the worth of the ship he had snagged. Never relied on people being so concerned with the loss, or their personal attachment to their ship to pay more than the ship itself was worth. In fact, he said he would let most go if it seemed like they were a poor mark, i.e. flying a frigate or very low player age. Why waste time trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip, etc.
IMO it would be best for everyone if pirates who do not honor ransoms take a page from the book of those who do. With the recent changes, regardless of whether one adapts or not, piracy has likely become more and more of a hit and miss activity.
Maybe this is why we keep seeing more and more people flock to systems where they can pop macro haulers and farmers rather than wait on real targets that never show up or are nearly impossible to catch?
Not being a pirate, I don't know, and I can't really wager that most of my basic assumptions are absolutely correct, but I can tell you that the writing was on the wall for this sort of prevalent problem almost a year ago.
Why pay a ransom not only worth more than the ship you are flying, but with almost no guarantee (save the notoriety of the corporation) that you will even be let go? Absolutely no reason to pay a ransom these days unless you personally know of the corporation or individual ransoming you.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.02.20 17:31:00 -
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I'm usually in 0.0 these days in hostile alliance space so getting a target dead is often the biggest priority. I would ransom if I could... 
Oh, and when there is an oppurtunity for a ransom we have people like Lefiere demanding 1bil for a shuttle, so it's not very successful. 
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Cat o'Fivetails
Rancer Defence League.
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Posted - 2009.02.20 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: Cat o'Fivetails
Those nasty Neo Spartans ransomed Betty's twin brother for 1 Billion!!
The ransom was paid, but they killed him anyway!!!!
True story.
Your petty smear campaign will get you nowhere Cat...
Murdawer.
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K1RTH G3RS3N
Haunted House
BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2009.02.20 19:09:00 -
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not another honor thread
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Zehn Takakura
Caldari
Skill Level Six
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.20 20:41:00 -
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I'll honor a ransom if I offer one. I don't usually offer them though. I have enough isk, I just want your killmail.
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