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Airatt DeathRattlers	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:01:00 - [1] Drop all training skills... Isk is the deciding factor in the game. This would lead to more pvp, more people staying with the game.. after almost a year, I still do not have the skills to be comfortable with pvp against 2--5yr vets. If training is needed, limiting skills to train like ships, trade, and manufacturing. The skill training reduction, would allow pilots to try more ships types. Without spending a ton of time training to find out that you are not comfortable flying a particular ship. I would believe this would have a positive affect on new peeps trying eve for the first time. Would not a population of twice or three times what we have, make eve better or not??? Just wondering... This is not meant to be a troll.
XXSketchxx Gallente Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:01:00 - [2] Please stop.
Mudad Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:21:00 - [3] Your doin it wrong
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:22:00 - [4] you can be in a pvp ship and doing well inside of a month. Your doing it wrong.
mcnuggetlol Amarr Outlandish Operations	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:25:00 - [5] everyone should be given every skills level 5 because it nots fair for the new players
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:33:00 - [6] Originally by: mcnuggetlol everyone should be given every skills level 5 because it nots fair for the new players Not enough Sir, everyone should be given a limitless supply of every ship and module in the game, plus their own POS and errr, exotic dancer. Otherwise it's not fair on the new players.
Meveil	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:34:00 - [7] Edited by: Meveil on 21/02/2009 15:34:45 You must be doing something wrong then. Cause when I was only 6 months old, I toke on a 3 year player in a sabre while I was only in a Vexor with tech 1 modes and tech 2 drones. While I didn't blow up his ship, he did run away with structure damage.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:46:00 - [8] Haven't had one of those in a while.... -------- Ideas for: Mining
Cassiopeia Draco	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Airatt Drop all training skills... Isk is the deciding factor in the game. This would lead to more pvp, more people staying with the game.. after almost a year, I still do not have the skills to be comfortable with pvp against 2--5yr vets. If training is needed, limiting skills to train like ships, trade, and manufacturing. The skill training reduction, would allow pilots to try more ships types. Without spending a ton of time training to find out that you are not comfortable flying a particular ship. I would believe this would have a positive affect on new peeps trying eve for the first time. Would not a population of twice or three times what we have, make eve better or not??? Just wondering... This is not meant to be a troll. Dont let the hanger door hit you on the way out, PS: WoW is that way =====>>
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:50:00 - [10] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 21/02/2009 15:51:23 Hmm, let's see ; Wrong Forum - Check. Wall of Text - Check Probably no Idea what changes are coming for new characters in Apocrypha - Check No thought for a recompance to the starter characters who've just spent a couple of months maxing out all their learning skills, letalone anyone else - Check etc...

Sonorra Baki Interstellar eXodus Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.21 15:51:00 - [11] Its wrong to only allow players who trained hard to play on a pro soccer team. Allowing people to buy a spot on a pro team would improve the sport, because more players would make more teams and more matches, thus by default making it much more fun to watch! Poeple would also not making the mistake of training for a long time only to discover they sucked at soccer. More is better no matter what. Allways. This may not be work safe -Capsicum
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.21 16:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Sonorra Baki Its wrong to only allow players who trained hard to play on a pro soccer team. Allowing people to buy a spot on a pro team would improve the sport, because more players would make more teams and more matches, thus by default making it much more fun to watch! Poeple would also not making the mistake of training for a long time only to discover they sucked at soccer. More is better no matter what. Allways. I could have 5 mil skill points in a retribution or 100 million overall. I will still be just as effective in the retri.
Apoctasy The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.02.21 16:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Airatt after almost a year, I still do not have the skills to be comfortable with pvp against 2--5yr vets. YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.21 16:52:00 - [14] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 21/02/2009 15:51:23 Hmm, let's see ; Wrong Forum - Check. Wall of Text - Check Probably no Idea what changes are coming for new characters in Apocrypha - Check No thought for a recompance to the starter characters who've just spent a couple of months maxing out all their learning skills, letalone anyone else - Check etc... You've got it wrong, he wants to do away with training ENTIRELY. Not just learning skills, as I thought. (figured he's new and didn't know what he was talking about) ----------------- Friends Forever
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:08:00 - [15] 1/10 FAILPOST Please, jump into traffic
Planks Unjustified Ancients of MuMu	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:16:00 - [16] An honourable attempt at a troll ... If you're going to troll make it BIG
Spurty Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:22:00 - [17] "This must be a Wednesday. I never got the hang of Wednesdays" Try "NOT" enngaging the vets then and go join faction warfare, or is this a secret "solo pvp is dead" whine in trolls clothing? BrRAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiNNNNNNZzzzzzzzzzzz
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg You've got it wrong, he wants to do away with training ENTIRELY. Not just learning skills, as I thought. (figured he's new and didn't know what he was talking about) Oh right, maybe not such a terrible idea if ; - You couldn't just reroll every 5 minutes to shrug off bad rep, sec loss etc... - It not only made the old player foam at the mouth, it makes it 10 times easier for them to quit as their sustained investment in a character over time becomes worthless.
Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.02.21 19:14:00 - [19] TBH it's good as it is. Real wars are fought without the belligerents having equal technology available. I can't really think of any conflict that would have had equally armed opposing forces involved. Well, obviously, why the heck would anyone attack someone that has about the same abilities as their own. That said, no army asset is invincible (unless we are talking about orbital bombardment of stone age people, but that's not the kind of difference we have in the game). Think of Afghanistan. Soviets moved in with modern equipment. A few guerillas were able to take down million dollar helicopters using RPGs. Or think of Vietnam where US soldiers with their x thousand dollar equipment fell into camouflaged holes, impaled by sticks. I almost hate to mention the magnificent Maginot Line :) Anyways, examples are countless. So, if you find a superior enemy, then you have to use better tactics. Should that fail then you gather people to help you. No enemy is undefeatable.
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2009.02.21 19:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Airatt after almost a year, I still do not have the skills to be comfortable with pvp against 2--5yr vets First, I'd like to say BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH. Next, obligatory "your doing it wrong". Last, this is not the game you were looking for I think.

permion	Posted - 2009.02.21 19:27:00 - [21] Removal of learning skills good. post = horribly bad... You can't even convince people who agree with you to agree with you.
Crysta Avii	Posted - 2009.02.21 19:46:00 - [22] OP, the way to WoW, letz me showz you it --->>
iLuvRocks	Posted - 2009.02.21 23:04:00 - [23] i have to agree with you
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.22 00:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Airatt after almost a year, I still do not have the skills to be comfortable with pvp against 2--5yr vets You did it wrong. Go back and try again. Moron... Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more. Whisper is now officially my hero.
Malthros Zenobia Cadian Special Operations Command	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:14:00 - [25] Obvious troll is obvious. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Obvious troll is obvious.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:42:00 - [27] SP really isn't that important - Infectious -
N'tek alar	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Sazkyen orbital bombardment of stone age people Yes please! Sounds fun for both sides (and fair).
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:56:00 - [29] I agree. Not sure what I am agreeing to but my statement makes as much sense as the OP's post so I guess it's a valid response. -- Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
Dephar Arcarnum Amarr Brotherhood of New Eden	Posted - 2009.02.22 23:13:00 - [30] I like cats

Freikorps	Posted - 2009.02.22 23:20:00 - [31] Originally by: Dephar Arcarnum I like cats Yes, this, because they taste just like chicken.
Something Random Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.02.22 23:25:00 - [32] Hang on.... this isnt fair. Its obviously not fair that someone who has spent 3 or more years in game is better then someone who has spent - oh i dont know - 1 month. Please fix this CCP, i await your dev response and blog with baited breath. Happy 5th birthday to me....... Happy 5th birthday to me.... oh you get the picture.
Tyrenical Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.22 23:58:00 - [33] ShamWOW!!!
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2009.02.23 00:25:00 - [34] After 3 years of Eve play, SPs should start heading backwards towards zero. That's the only way to keep it fair for new players. Also in the news ... my cat's breath smells like cat food. (c) Ralph Wiggum.
Dephar Arcarnum Amarr Brotherhood of New Eden	Posted - 2009.02.23 00:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Freikorps Originally by: Dephar Arcarnum I like cats Yes, this, because they taste just like chicken. INDEED THEY DO!
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.02.23 03:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Dephar Arcarnum I like cats That is why you fail. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Acinonyx Jubatus Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.23 04:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Rawr Cristina SP really isn't that important That poor tempest... I know the fleet tempest isn't the best faction BS, but no reason to fit it with such a budget fit. As for the rest of this thread, no... T1 frig budget fit - 500-800k T2 laden and rigged BS - 150mill+/- Frig living while BS does not due to being unable to warp - priceless And that was the exact case back when I first started pvp(minus the rigs ofcourse), you don't have to have some high SP or uber fit/skills to be effective in combat... sure better is better, but anyone can be useful... somehow. I don't think I should really bother much on this, but if this ever happened...
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.02.23 04:32:00 - [38] When I started playing this game in 2006 I was pvping after the third day. Back then I had about 60,000 skill points. On the second week of my long pirate career me and and a fellow nub-pirate (Zenobite we miss you) killed our first 2003 player--a flashy red guy with a bounty. Honestly, if you feel you cannot, after a year, fly against vets, you are doing something wrong. End of story. -Karlemgne
Phantom Slave JUDGE DREAD Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.23 04:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Airatt Drop all training skills... Isk is the deciding factor in the game. This would lead to more pvp, more people staying with the game.. after almost a year, I still do not have the skills to be comfortable with pvp against 2--5yr vets. If training is needed, limiting skills to train like ships, trade, and manufacturing. The skill training reduction, would allow pilots to try more ships types. Without spending a ton of time training to find out that you are not comfortable flying a particular ship. I would believe this would have a positive affect on new peeps trying eve for the first time. Would not a population of twice or three times what we have, make eve better or not??? Just wondering... This is not meant to be a troll. As others have said, SP isn't as important as alot of newer players think it is. Train up for an assault frig with all t2 fittings. They can be mean little ships in the right hands. Get yourself a T1 cruiser for playing around, they're relatively cheap and don't need a ton of training. Get a BC, they're sweet too! Get a couple of buddies together in AF's and go pillage lowsec, just stay off the gates and stations (unless they're blinky red).
Jhoria Englside	Posted - 2009.02.23 06:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Airatt Drop all training skills... Isk is the deciding factor in the game. This would lead to i got exactly that far in his post before i decided it was not worth it. anyone do better? Srius Bisnis

Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.23 07:53:00 - [41] 8/10, got to page 2 in six hours tho... _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101


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