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MeBiatch	Posted - 2009.02.22 03:36:00 - [1] Edited by: MeBiatch on 22/02/2009 03:36:36 Hey i just realised i had a deimos sitting in null sec... i have not used one in a while and before i had an ion/duel med repper setup.... i eneded up getting pwned by a blaster rokh and absolution... so.. my question is should i go for the same setup.. or try a long range rail setup? like... High: 5 200mm II rails (either antimater or spike) drone link med: 10 mn mwd II 1 point cap injector (webber, or tracking comp) low: med armor rep II med armor rep II (or nano II)(or sig amp) DCU II Ex harner 2 eam II (or 2 mag stabs) 5 valkries II dont know what rigs... maybe aux thrusters.. maybe trimaks...
MidnightMartyr Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.22 04:25:00 - [2] 1. sell deimos 2. buy ishtar 3. ??????? 4. profit
Saul Reaver Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.22 07:35:00 - [3] Originally by: MeBiatch Edited by: MeBiatch on 22/02/2009 03:55:17 Edited by: MeBiatch on 22/02/2009 03:36:36 Hey i just realised i had a deimos sitting in null sec... i have not used one in a while and before i had an ion/duel med repper setup.... i eneded up getting pwned by a blaster rokh and absolution... so.. my question is should i go for the same setup.. or try a long range rail setup? like... High: 5 200mm II rails (either antimater or spike) drone link med: 10 mn mwd II 1 point cap injector (webber, or tracking comp) low: med armor rep II med armor rep II (or nano II)(or sig amp) DCU II Ex harner 2 eam II (or 2 mag stabs) 5 valkries II dont know what rigs... maybe aux thrusters.. maybe trimaks... edit: i could also try a nuetron blaster setup with nos that would be nice dps plus i could use ecm vespas... should i not even waist my time with rails on a deimos? Stick with Blasters m8. Hers my set up- High Slot - 5 x Heavy Ion Blaster II 1 x Medium Energy Neutralizer II Mid Slot - 1 x 10mn Microwarpdrive II 1 x Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler 1 x Stasis Web II Low Slot - 1 x 800mm Rolled Tugnsten Plates 1 x True Sansha Explosive Armor Hardener 1 x Damage Control II 3 x Magnetic Field Stabalizer II Rigs - 1 x Ancillary Current Router I 1 x Trimark Armor Pump Ammo - Caldari Navy Antimatter M, Null M Drones - 5 x Hammerhead II or 5 x Vespa EC-600 You can also try my old set up which is the same but with a Small Energy Neut II and 5 x Heavy Neutron Blaster II's for a bit more DPS on the guns but with a smaller neut. Both set ups work well but i prefer to sacrafice a bit of DPS for a bigger Neut. Up close it pwns which is the way a Deimos should be flown
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.22 07:40:00 - [4] Originally by: MidnightMartyr 1. sell deimos 2. buy ishtar 3. ??????? 4. profit or fly a rax for 1/5th the price and do only ~100 less dps.
MeBiatch	Posted - 2009.02.22 08:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Saul Reaver Originally by: MeBiatch Edited by: MeBiatch on 22/02/2009 03:55:17 Edited by: MeBiatch on 22/02/2009 03:36:36 Hey i just realised i had a deimos sitting in null sec... i have not used one in a while and before i had an ion/duel med repper setup.... i eneded up getting pwned by a blaster rokh and absolution... so.. my question is should i go for the same setup.. or try a long range rail setup? like... High: 5 200mm II rails (either antimater or spike) drone link med: 10 mn mwd II 1 point cap injector (webber, or tracking comp) low: med armor rep II med armor rep II (or nano II)(or sig amp) DCU II Ex harner 2 eam II (or 2 mag stabs) 5 valkries II dont know what rigs... maybe aux thrusters.. maybe trimaks... edit: i could also try a nuetron blaster setup with nos that would be nice dps plus i could use ecm vespas... should i not even waist my time with rails on a deimos? Stick with Blasters m8. Hers my set up- High Slot - 5 x Heavy Ion Blaster II 1 x Medium Energy Neutralizer II Mid Slot - 1 x 10mn Microwarpdrive II 1 x Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler 1 x Stasis Web II Low Slot - 1 x 800mm Rolled Tugnsten Plates 1 x True Sansha Explosive Armor Hardener 1 x Damage Control II 3 x Magnetic Field Stabalizer II Rigs - 1 x Ancillary Current Router I 1 x Trimark Armor Pump Ammo - Caldari Navy Antimatter M, Null M Drones - 5 x Hammerhead II or 5 x Vespa EC-600 You can also try my old set up which is the same but with a Small Energy Neut II and 5 x Heavy Neutron Blaster II's for a bit more DPS on the guns but with a smaller neut. Both set ups work well but i prefer to sacrafice a bit of DPS for a bigger Neut. Up close it pwns which is the way a Deimos should be flown that sounds like a good setup... how much armor do you end up with? whats the efective hp? and dps from the ions? you sure its not better to sub a mag stab for a energy adaptive? that way you will have better em resist and ex...
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.22 08:41:00 - [6] diemost dies...the most.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.02.22 17:44:00 - [7] Originally by: UMEE diemost dies...the most. And because of this mentality the Deimos is tons of fun to fly as the main DPS of a small- mid sized fast (and well- rounded) T2 gang... As I haven't lost a Deimos in quite a while. It really is a lot better than a Thorax, it's speed being as important as the upped DPS. Also better than the Ishtar in it's role... OFC the Ishtar can do many things the Deimos cannot but for sheer in your face DPS in a very agile boat the Deimos rocks. ---
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.22 20:42:00 - [8] Edited by: UMEE on 22/02/2009 20:42:49 deimos is an expensive toy. i guess you havent fought against gangs who shut your mwd down with a T1 frigate and primary you? a gank ishtar actually does more dps, with a similar tank and more mids. plus it can do a whole lot of other stuff, as you mentioned.
quigibow	Posted - 2009.02.22 22:25:00 - [9] Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 22/02/2009 20:42:49 deimos is an expensive toy. i guess you havent fought against gangs who shut your mwd down with a T1 frigate and primary you? a gank ishtar actually does more dps, with a similar tank and more mids. plus it can do a whole lot of other stuff, as you mentioned. but thats only with sentires.. its doing more dps? other then that the diemos does more dps..?
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.22 22:38:00 - [10] If you want a really expensive thorax you can buy a vigilant :)
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.22 23:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Burn Mac If you want a really expensive thorax you can buy a vigilant :) Those things are hella sexy. Fit: Ions MWD Web Scram Or second web if you've got a tackler, or a tracking enhancer. DCU, Plate, EAMN, magstabs galore. Fight how you live! a blaster pilot! go out in an explosion of blazing glory! Dakka dakka dakka dakka!!!!
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.22 23:53:00 - [12] Originally by: quigibow Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 22/02/2009 20:42:49 deimos is an expensive toy. i guess you havent fought against gangs who shut your mwd down with a T1 frigate and primary you? a gank ishtar actually does more dps, with a similar tank and more mids. plus it can do a whole lot of other stuff, as you mentioned. but thats only with sentires.. its doing more dps? other then that the diemos does more dps..? no. 3xheavy ion II's and ogre II's. maxed drone skills, mediocre gunnery skills. tank is about the same. gank ishtar still does more dps.
fmercury Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.02.23 01:24:00 - [13] Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 22/02/2009 20:42:49 deimos is an expensive toy. i guess you havent fought against gangs who shut your mwd down with a T1 frigate and primary you? a gank ishtar actually does more dps, with a similar tank and more mids. plus it can do a whole lot of other stuff, as you mentioned. A t1 frig in your optimal dies in 5 seconds. And a gank ishtar has no tank. 875 grid, lololol.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.23 03:13:00 - [14] Edited by: UMEE on 23/02/2009 03:14:52 lol at your face, are you saying the deimos DOES? it's infamous for being one of the ships with the most fitting problems. a gank deimos has next to no tank, which is why i call it the expensive toy. i wouldnt dare mess up my ishtar by fitting it for gank, but if i did, it would do more dps. a T1 frig in your optimal dies in 5 seconds. yes! it does, but you die in those 5 seconds as well because ure 1)primaried and 2)paper-thin. lolololol
Mortis Tyrathlion Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.23 04:03:00 - [15] The Deimos setup I've been playing with has proved shockingly effective on Sisi - only just bought it on TQ, so I don't know how well it'll fare on there. Yes, a Deimos will get primaried, and then it'll die... but I've still melted through just about every target I've faced - until the entire FFA room turns on me, which seems to happen annoyingly often. The only time it's lost a 1v1 was against a cap-injected Deimos, and that was incredibly close - the other guy was in 10% structure, and he'd run out of cap boosters as well. One more jam with the drones and I'd have won. The trick is to use a little lateral thinking. What's a Deimos good at? Shooting stuff. Ok, stick big guns on it. What's it not good at? Getting hit a lot. ECM drones. What else? It gains cap if you stick a MWD on - ok, boost it even more with a cap recharger or similar, and run a MAR alongside some resists. A medium nos evens out the stability further. A neut-arby and a Curse have both died to this, and I've managed to 'tank' both a Deimos (with intermittent jams) and an Onyx (without) at the same time with sufficient damage output to put the Deimos in serious trouble. Thus far, the only things that have really managed to blow me away have been Ishtars (though not had a chance to fight one in a remotely even fight yet) and a Cerb that chewed huge chunks out of my armour before I could react. I even handled a very nastily tanked Phantasm. - Originally by: Arcon Telf OP, you should be honored, because this is the first time in my short Eve career I've felt the need to say this: Azeroth is that way ------>
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Raimo on 23/02/2009 09:22:33 Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 22/02/2009 20:42:49 deimos is an expensive toy. i guess you havent fought against gangs who shut your mwd down with a T1 frigate and primary you? a gank ishtar actually does more dps, with a similar tank and more mids. plus it can do a whole lot of other stuff, as you mentioned. Well, I agree on a gank ishtar being fun but with Ishtar using heavies the Deimos still outdamages it by a little margin, and still is faster(and can fit a tad better buffer as well). If your findings are different I suspect that you have fitting problems or severely biased skills... Ishtar has possibility for more utility slots and all its other fitting possibilities but I still prefer the Deimos for pure gang gank DPS. Oh btw, if you want to outgank the Deimos in a cruiser drone boat try the Navy Vexor... It has some drawbacks (Slower, no backup drones, caps out quite fast, more expensive) but for sheer gank it is king. Originally by: Burn Mac If you want a really expensive thorax you can buy a vigilant :) Yeah, if you want 4 mids and much less DPS and EHP with 1,5 the price of a Deimos, sure, go for it... Get the Navy Vexor instead TBH. BTW, I'm not saying the Deimos is be all end all, it's just great fun in the specific role of DPS of a well-rounded smallish gang. Also, I'm not saying something like a Zealot couldn't do the job as well, in many cases even better... But I reckon the Deimos to be more fun and potentially faster at killing. TBH I'd still like for it to get some dev love as much as the next guy. ;) Edit: LOL at the T1 frig argument. Your gang should prevent that from happening. If you meet hostiles who outgank/ out-e-war and outmaneuver you, sure, the Deimos will be one of the 1st to pop but it probably takes someone with it... ---
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:08:00 - [17] Edited by: Raimo on 23/02/2009 12:11:38 Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 23/02/2009 03:14:52 lol at your face, are you saying the deimos DOES? it's infamous for being one of the ships with the most fitting problems. a gank deimos has next to no tank, which is why i call it the expensive toy. i wouldnt dare mess up my ishtar by fitting it for gank, but if i did, it would do more dps. a T1 frig in your optimal dies in 5 seconds. yes! it does, but you die in those 5 seconds as well because ure 1)primaried and 2)paper-thin. lolololol Gotta add, so you have not fit a gank Ishtar but you claim it's better? lol I've lost a bunch of gank ishtars, (and killed **** in them before that) so I somewhat know what I'm talking about. Actually I lose a gank ishtar comparatively more often than a gank Deimos... And my gank Deimoses are not paperthin. Sure, their tank is pretty small for being in scram and web range but with good piloting and a decent bunch of pilots to fly with it's not going to die nearly as much people (bad pilots?) make you believe... Even when scrammed by a T1 frig. Hello? Your friend in a ceptor or AF will fix that problem instantly for you, or your Falcon pilot. Actually your Rapier/ Huginn/ Hyena/ Arazu/ Lachesis/ Curse/ Sentinel/ Cerb pilot might even prevent him from ever reaching you... Get my drift? Deimos is sadly not a soloboat post- QR IMHO. Also if you have great droneskills and mediocre gunnery, of course droneboats will gank more at that time. Don't generalize ships based on your skill deficiencies, please. And Deimos is not all that hard to fit, especially if you rig it. IMO the Ishtar is always much more tighter a fit with tons of best named needed to get stuff crammed in... And still once again, how I would love for the Deimos to have a 4th mid! I like it but it could be so much more... ---
Admiral Bear	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:23:00 - [18] u no nano ship stil gud cos no1 expects. use overdrive and raleguns
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:09:00 - [19] 1600 plate Deimos is pure "Balls to the wall" fun. [Deimos, PvP] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Small Nosferatu II Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hybrid Burst Aerator I Vespa EC-600 x5
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:17:00 - [20] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan 1600 plate Deimos is pure "Balls to the wall" fun. IMHO it's not. You're removing too much agility and gank. ---
Doktor Soet Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Doktor Soet on 23/02/2009 14:29:42 no neutron blaster setup so far? 5 x Heavy Neutron Blaster II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II 2 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 2 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Ancillary Current Router I Trimark Armor Pump I no tricks, simple and pure dmg thats it. running away is not an option with this setup. stay and kill or get killed.
Ixich Gallente Divinity Within The Eden Project	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:16:00 - [22] This i what i use: [Deimos, Pvp] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Small Nosferatu II Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Vespa EC-600 x5 ME personally, the deimos is about getting in fast, and kicking out as much damage before dieing or running off. I don't like the use of plate on this ship, firstly is slows it down, and secondly i prefer to to use a repper, better fitting, and survivability, but makes you weak to neuts. I also found Ions + rigs are better the Neutrons without rigs, fit easier, track better, more damage. I've never had any cap problems running this ship, it's all about knowing when to turn the repper/Mwd on and off. I have to agree in some respects to the people talking about the brutix/thorax, they are viable uses for the same role, at a cheaper price. Yet the deimos will out perform them in my opinion, if only slightly, but it's this slightly that can give you the advantage. -Ix-
Endo Dy Gallente Enrave Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:32:00 - [23] Prefer the Ishtar over a Deimos any day, but would fly it like this: [Deimos, Ion plated] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Scrambler II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Small Nosferatu II Ancillary Current Router I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hammerhead II x5
Erreth Akkbe Legionnaires of Erreth Akkbe	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:22:00 - [24] [Deimos, DPS] Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Small Nosferatu II Ancillary Current Router I Anti-EM Pump I Hammerhead II x5 ------------------- This is my setup. I don't care what you say, it's win. [and bloody fun to fly] 74% + resists across the board. 800+ dps w/o overload. Have also tried this solo with much success. You just need to pick your targets and fight on your terms. [And tbh if you're not doing that in a deimos anyway, you shouldn't be in one].
MeBiatch	Posted - 2009.02.23 23:23:00 - [25] Edited by: MeBiatch on 23/02/2009 23:25:49 ok just read the setup above.... looks good.. though i would sub the hammerheads for vespas... i might try that one m8.... though i hope i dont get laughed at for using an em rig again ok i think this is my old setup: highs: 5 ions II med nos II med: 10 mn mwd II 1 wd II (probs use a scram now) med cap injector (800's) lows: 2 med armor reps II dcu II ex hardner II 2 eam II omg i think this is why i died hella fast rigs: em pump ex pump if i did the same setup i would change for aux rep rigs.... though this setup does not have lots of dps.... if i did it again i would want a nuetron setup... but i saw one dude that used hybrid rigs and claimed hier dps from ions.... i dont know if i am going to plate the ship.... think i might go for basically the same setup... ions II but sub an eam for a meg stab and not use noob rigs
lebrata Hedion University	Posted - 2009.02.23 23:34:00 - [26] If you are flying a Deimos in pvp you need help bud.
MeBiatch	Posted - 2009.02.23 23:37:00 - [27] Originally by: lebrata If you are flying a Deimos in pvp you need help bud. right cuss its the uberest pve ship around....
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.02.24 04:01:00 - [28] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 24/02/2009 04:04:14 Why not go with the ship bonus and use ambit rigs? Gets decent dps up to 20km enabling it to stay out of webrange if wanted, while still having all the dps needed to go up close when loading faction antimatter (ambit rigs also help blasters to reduce the initial damage loss on approach btw). [Deimos, ranged blasters] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Reactive Membrane II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M [empty high slot] Hybrid Ambit Extension I Hybrid Ambit Extension I Hammerhead II x5
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.02.24 08:01:00 - [29] If you don't have skills for a Zealot and want to copy what it is doing at least some of the time, Lilith's fit will work nicely. Only thing it's missing is a heatsink. Added bonus is the option of speeding up an easy gank by going in close with fac AM. I don't like that style too much personally(I prefer a tad more buffer and stick to scramrange) but its one of the best in this thread. ---
nakKEDK Gallente tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:41:00 - [30] Originally by: UMEE Originally by: MidnightMartyr 1. sell deimos 2. buy ishtar 3. ??????? 4. profit or fly a rax for 1/5th the price and do only ~100 less dps. meh same dps, when ppl tank the deimos k

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