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Raimo
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Posted - 2009.02.22 17:44:00 -
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 Originally by: UMEE
diemost dies...the most.
And because of this mentality the Deimos is tons of fun to fly as the main DPS of a small- mid sized fast (and well- rounded) T2 gang... As I haven't lost a Deimos in quite a while. 
It really is a lot better than a Thorax, it's speed being as important as the upped DPS. Also better than the Ishtar in it's role... OFC the Ishtar can do many things the Deimos cannot but for sheer in your face DPS in a very agile boat the Deimos rocks.
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Raimo
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Posted - 2009.02.23 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 23/02/2009 09:22:33
Originally by: UMEE
Edited by: UMEE on 22/02/2009 20:42:49
deimos is an expensive toy. i guess you havent fought against gangs who shut your mwd down with a T1 frigate and primary you?
a gank ishtar actually does more dps, with a similar tank and more mids. plus it can do a whole lot of other stuff, as you mentioned.
Well, I agree on a gank ishtar being fun but with Ishtar using heavies the Deimos still outdamages it by a little margin, and still is faster(and can fit a tad better buffer as well). If your findings are different I suspect that you have fitting problems or severely biased skills...
Ishtar has possibility for more utility slots and all its other fitting possibilities but I still prefer the Deimos for pure gang gank DPS.
Oh btw, if you want to outgank the Deimos in a cruiser drone boat try the Navy Vexor... It has some drawbacks (Slower, no backup drones, caps out quite fast, more expensive) but for sheer gank it is king.
Originally by: Burn Mac
If you want a really expensive thorax you can buy a vigilant :)
Yeah, if you want 4 mids and much less DPS and EHP with 1,5 the price of a Deimos, sure, go for it... Get the Navy Vexor instead TBH. 
BTW, I'm not saying the Deimos is be all end all, it's just great fun in the specific role of DPS of a well-rounded smallish gang. Also, I'm not saying something like a Zealot couldn't do the job as well, in many cases even better... But I reckon the Deimos to be more fun and potentially faster at killing.
TBH I'd still like for it to get some dev love as much as the next guy. ;)
Edit: LOL at the T1 frig argument. Your gang should prevent *that* from happening. If you meet hostiles who outgank/ out-e-war and outmaneuver you, sure, the Deimos will be one of the 1st to pop but it probably takes someone with it... 
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Raimo
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 23/02/2009 12:11:38
Originally by: UMEE
Edited by: UMEE on 23/02/2009 03:14:52
lol at your face, are you saying the deimos DOES? it's infamous for being one of the ships with the most fitting problems. a gank deimos has next to no tank, which is why i call it the expensive toy. i wouldnt dare mess up my ishtar by fitting it for gank, but if i did, it would do more dps.
a T1 frig in your optimal dies in 5 seconds. yes! it does, but you die in those 5 seconds as well because ure 1)primaried and 2)paper-thin. lolololol
Gotta add, so you have not fit a gank Ishtar but you claim it's better? lol
I've lost a bunch of gank ishtars, (and killed **** in them before that) so I somewhat know what I'm talking about. Actually I lose a gank ishtar comparatively more often than a gank Deimos... And my gank Deimoses are *not* paperthin. Sure, their tank is pretty small for being in scram and web range but with good piloting and a decent bunch of pilots to fly with it's not going to die nearly as much people (bad pilots?) make you believe...
Even when scrammed by a T1 frig. Hello? Your friend in a ceptor or AF will fix that problem instantly for you, or your Falcon pilot. Actually your Rapier/ Huginn/ Hyena/ Arazu/ Lachesis/ Curse/ Sentinel/ Cerb pilot might even prevent him from ever reaching you... Get my drift? Deimos is sadly *not* a soloboat post- QR IMHO.
Also if you have great droneskills and mediocre gunnery, of course droneboats will gank more at that time. Don't generalize ships based on your skill deficiencies, please.
And Deimos is not all that hard to fit, especially if you rig it. IMO the Ishtar is always much more tighter a fit with tons of best named needed to get stuff crammed in...
And still once again, how I would love for the Deimos to have a 4th mid! I like it but it could be so much more... 
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Raimo
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Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan
1600 plate Deimos is pure "Balls to the wall" fun.
IMHO it's not. You're removing too much agility and gank.
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Raimo
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Posted - 2009.02.24 08:01:00 -
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If you don't have skills for a Zealot and want to copy what it is doing at least some of the time, Lilith's fit will work nicely. Only thing it's missing is a heatsink. Added bonus is the option of speeding up an easy gank by going in close with fac AM. I don't like that style too much personally(I prefer a tad more buffer and stick to scramrange) but its one of the best in this thread.
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Raimo
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Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.02.24 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: nakKEDK
Originally by: UMEE
Originally by: MidnightMartyr
1. sell deimos
2. buy ishtar
3. ???????
4. profit
or fly a rax for 1/5th the price and do only ~100 less dps.
meh same dps, when ppl tank the deimos
I dunno, my fave plate Deimos fit (ganky) has over 200dps more, is 250-300 m/s faster and has 13k EHP more than my similar basic thorax gank fit.
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