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quigibow
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: quigibow on 22/02/2009 09:55:06 Edited by: quigibow on 22/02/2009 09:54:23
Originally by: quigibow Edited by: quigibow on 22/02/2009 09:42:42 step 1: REMOVE the mwd bonus from thorax and deimos
setp 2: ADD 25% to the base cap of ship (not a ship bonus)
step 3: ADD 7.5% to turret tracking speed per lev.
step 4: REMOVE 6th highslot
step 5: ADD 4th midslot
This will fix the deimos... make it usefull...
will beable to to good dps at proper range...
high slot: 5 Heavy Ion II
med: 10 mn mwd II 1 wd II 1 trackcomp (tracking script), or second webber 1 webber (if they get within 10 km)
lows: dcu II 800 thungsten roll ex hardner II energy adaptive II (possible 3rd mag stab II) 2 mag stab II
rigs: either aux thrusters trimarks or pg rig if you want to use nuetrons
drones: 5 hammerheads II or if solo 5 ecm 600 vespas
edit:
hell if they did that... you might see vega setups put on the deimos...
high: 5 x ion II
med: 10 mn mwd II 1 wd II 2 med or large shield extenders (or one large sheild extender, one em shiled hardner II)
lows: dcu II 2 tracking enhancers II 3 mag stabs II
drones: 5 hammerheads II or solo 5 vespa ecm 600's
rigs: 2 policarbs
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Dark Soldat
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:55:00 -
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NO !!!! AND CAPS ARE COOL !!!!
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:57:00 -
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I too want a 25% buff to the cap of the ship I like to fly.
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quigibow
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Soldat YES !!!! AND CAPS ARE COOL... IF YOU LIKE TO WATCH Doctor Zhivago (1965) !!!!
fixed
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:23:00 -
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Would love that ship with those bonuses.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Would love that ship with those bonuses.
then fly a fleet stabber
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quigibow
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: TimMc Would love that ship with those bonuses.
then fly a fleet stabber
stay on topic... were not discusing how other ships are good... were talking about how the diemos is not as good as it should be and the way to make it as good as is should have been in the first place
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: TimMc Would love that ship with those bonuses.
then fly a fleet stabber
Because clearly the solution to broken ships is to fly ships that aren't broken!
When will you stop posting here and start thinking?
OP: I could live with just a 4th midslot and 5 high slots
Quote: El'Tar > IM UR PET NOW
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:50:00 -
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The Deimos isn't supposed to hit frigates with its medium guns at short range. Deimos guns will track fine against cruiser-size targets and larger (webbed or not). And if you are so close in that you aren't hitting the cruiser+ size targets, then they aren;t hitting you as well.
In other news, Punishers with medium pulse lasers cannot hit AC Rifters that orbit them closely. However, I don't see any reason yet to give Punishers a tracking bonus. This is small guns on a small ship vs. another small ship.
You merely need to change the way you fly and think. You can no longer speed up to a small ship, turn on web and guns and expect it to melt.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:55:00 -
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…small drones? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=GǪ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
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Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:04:00 -
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Deimos is fine, it just isn't a solo cruiser, use it in gangs.
The mwd / cap bonus might need review in the post speed nerf era, but the real problem with the Deimos is the over harsh web nerf and poor blaster tracking.
It is meant to be a glass cannon for the kamikazis out there, all or nothing.
Please don't try to make it the same as all the other HACs, we need diversity.
I would give the deimos a web strength bonus, and a MWD speed bonus instead of an MWD cap bonus.
My 2c Daan
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: TimMc Would love that ship with those bonuses.
then fly a fleet stabber
Because clearly the solution to broken ships is to fly ships that aren't broken!
that's pretty much like it, till CCP nerf bat hits again. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Angelic Orange
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:11:00 -
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And the OP said, "WAAAA my Demios is weak now" and the Caldari said,"HAHAHAHA, sucks to be you, train beyond level 3 gunnery support skills noob" and the the Amarr said,"I have no problem tracking things with pulse lazorz lololol" and then the Minmatar said,"My Wolf owns your crappy HAC" and all in EVE was good and right. Republic lovin' ass kisser. |
quigibow
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth The Deimos isn't supposed to hit frigates with its medium guns at short range. Deimos guns will track fine against cruiser-size targets and larger (webbed or not). And if you are so close in that you aren't hitting the cruiser+ size targets, then they aren;t hitting you as well.
In other news, Punishers with medium pulse lasers cannot hit AC Rifters that orbit them closely. However, I don't see any reason yet to give Punishers a tracking bonus. This is small guns on a small ship vs. another small ship.
You merely need to change the way you fly and think. You can no longer speed up to a small ship, turn on web and guns and expect it to melt.
for your first point... missles hit ships just fine at close range... for your second point pulse arnt ment to be used at ultra close range... blasters are...
before the latest speed nerf.. the deimos while the weakest of the hacs still did ok... but now it is way was sub par...
furthermore the ships discription is... come to close to this ship and a swift death is your only garentee... well as it stands it should read... come to close and chances are it wont hit you before you kill it...
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: quigibow
Originally by: Merdaneth The Deimos isn't supposed to hit frigates with its medium guns at short range. Deimos guns will track fine against cruiser-size targets and larger (webbed or not). And if you are so close in that you aren't hitting the cruiser+ size targets, then they aren;t hitting you as well.
In other news, Punishers with medium pulse lasers cannot hit AC Rifters that orbit them closely. However, I don't see any reason yet to give Punishers a tracking bonus. This is small guns on a small ship vs. another small ship.
You merely need to change the way you fly and think. You can no longer speed up to a small ship, turn on web and guns and expect it to melt.
for your first point... missles hit ships just fine at close range... for your second point pulse arnt ment to be used at ultra close range... blasters are...
before the latest speed nerf.. the deimos while the weakest of the hacs still did ok... but now it is way was sub par...
furthermore the ships discription is... come to close to this ship and a swift death is your only garentee... well as it stands it should read... come to close and chances are it wont hit you before you kill it...
Learn to fit a tracking enhancer or a web? pulses need it too. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: quigibow
before the latest speed nerf.. the deimos while the weakest of the hacs still did ok... but now it is way was sub par...
If you remember, the game designers tried to change the deimos with the nerf, by swapping a low for a mid slot (!) and changing the MWD bonus and adding 25% cap. All the Deimos pilots cried foul, saying (rightly IMHO) that it would destroy the unique character of the ship, and was basicly an admission that a 4 mid-slot is the only universal PvP setup (scram, web, injector and MWD) .
If that is true, then we don''t need midslots, just make all cruisers the same, which would be the opposite of sandbox.
In the end they left it alone, promising to review it later - which has not happened. :(
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: quigibow for your first point... missles hit ships just fine at close range...
Wrong-size missiles don't hit small ships fine at close range. Missiles do less overall damage than guns do, but at least retain some of that damage against targets below their 'preferred size'. However, my point was that your medium guns on your Deimos are not intended to hit small ships *orbiting you* (essential this) at close range. That has nothing to do with missiles.
Originally by: quigibow for your second point pulse arnt ment to be used at ultra close range... blasters are...
Perhaps they aren't meant to be used at close range, but with those Deimos, Thoraxes, in fact, all blaster and AC ships always burning close to my laser boats, I have no choice but to use them at that range.
Originally by: quigibow before the latest speed nerf.. the deimos while the weakest of the hacs still did ok... but now it is way was sub par...
furthermore the ships discription is... come to close to this ship and a swift death is your only garentee... well as it stands it should read... come to close and chances are it wont hit you before you kill it...
Only versus small ships. Don't shoot at those, use your light drones on them. Try to find a bigger target, one that you can actually hit. Before QR people were using HACs as all-purpose ships. They were effective against frigate-size targets, cruiser-size targets and battleships-size targets. The purpose of QR was introducing more of a paper-scissor-rock model, allowing small ships to have a chance (but only if flown well) against the likes of HACs.
Oh, and don't use ship descriptions to try and judge what a ship could do. For myself, I have only seen "the workhorse of the Amarr Navy" in space 2-3 times in my entire EVE career.
It bears repeating: you are not supposed to be very effective against small ships if you fit your Deimos for killing larger ships. That is intentional. ____
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Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Learn to fit a tracking enhancer or a web? pulses need it too.
Still doesn't work with the new 60% webs, and with web, scram and MWD your 3 mid are used up. Go look at the loooong threads in the Game development forum.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Daan Sai
Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Learn to fit a tracking enhancer or a web? pulses need it too.
Still doesn't work with the new 60% webs, and with web, scram and MWD your 3 mid are used up. Go look at the loooong threads in the Game development forum.
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Thenoran
Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Originally by: Daan Sai
Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Learn to fit a tracking enhancer or a web? pulses need it too.
Still doesn't work with the new 60% webs, and with web, scram and MWD your 3 mid are used up. Go look at the loooong threads in the Game development forum.
5 Medium Web Drones
There are no medium web drones, only large ones. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
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Angelic Orange
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Originally by: Daan Sai
Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Learn to fit a tracking enhancer or a web? pulses need it too.
Still doesn't work with the new 60% webs, and with web, scram and MWD your 3 mid are used up. Go look at the loooong threads in the Game development forum.
5 Medium Web Drones
Wait.. are you suggesting that people use other drones than ECM or Hammerhead/Warrior II's? Republic lovin' ass kisser. |
Jacob Holland
Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Demitria Fernir 5 Medium Web Drones
Would be a subpar option even if they existed.
Your option is the Berserker SW-900, or rather a pair of them. Which gives you about the equivalent of a 40% web. And if a 60% web isn't cutting it then why is a slower, more fragile, 40% web going to? --
Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.22 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 22/02/2009 12:32:55 …for the record, the Deimos is an excellent L4 mission ship — melts those NPC battleships in roughly no seconds flat.
As for the use of different drones, the only thing that makes sense is TP-600s. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=GǪ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Shigsy
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.02.22 13:14:00 -
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Dont even dare remove that 6th high-slot...
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.22 13:15:00 -
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I'd prefer a MWD speed bonus, tracking bonus is a bit naff to me, but that's how I like my Deimos.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.22 16:55:00 -
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Moved to Features & Ideas.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.22 17:18:00 -
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Requesting Medium Webified Drones to be added to the game along with the missing Combat Utility drones. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Borar
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.22 18:24:00 -
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Maybe a AB speed bonus ,MWD bonus we don`t need.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.02.22 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 22/02/2009 19:24:56
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: TimMc Would love that ship with those bonuses.
then fly a fleet stabber
Because clearly the solution to broken ships is to fly ships that aren't broken!
Making them more similar to other popular ships and killing diversity is a better solution?
The Deimos isn't broken. If the ship has become unusable, or hardly usuable, then that's due to game mechanics. Because the ship itself hasn't changed. So game mechanics is the cause. Try fixing the cause instead of tinkering around with the design, or we might end up flying the same ships just with different colors.
-edit- Why not propose things like increasing blaster tracking?
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente legion of qui Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.02.22 20:03:00 -
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Reads like OP lost to an Omen.
------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
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