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Amali Go	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:54:00 - [151] not bad
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.11 11:36:00 - [152] Originally by: Hexxx Edited by: Hexxx on 25/02/2009 00:26:56 http://www.eve-metrics.com/ Update: Ix Forres is actively updating EVE Metrics, the recent heavy adoption raised some previously unknown issues. All should be well for now, if you had problems using EVE Metrics before, give it a try now. And please remember...spread the word and the adoption. The more people who use the uploader, the higher the quality and quantity the data is. Get your friends, family, dog, cousins, and great grandparents to install the nifty EVE Metrics uploader from the EVE Metrics site! This is a website similar in function to EVE Central, with one important difference; it includes a tool that automatically uploads any market data you view while playing EVE. It does this by "scraping" the cache files that EVE uses when you view the market details for anything. No fuss, no muss, just automatic feeds of data. There is also security that prevents false market data from entering the database and some extremely useful reporting and statistic tools. In the future, they plan on having an API for developers to use. Check out the website, check out the reports, check out how awesome this is! All this from Ix Forres, the guy who created IskSense. i like it for the most part. Would be nice if... say you misspelled something and then it gave you a Google type "did you mean x?" suggestion. Also if you look inside a category list of items and it was in alphabetical order. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:08:00 - [153] This is a great tool and Ix Forres is my new hero! Top notch job, Ix! (+1 user!) Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Takri Bour	Posted - 2009.03.12 11:06:00 - [154] Bump it ... great tool
Caladain Barton	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:00:00 - [155] Well, i have sad news. I filed a petition asking if it was okay to decode the Market cache (i was going to do it in my own programs) and got back the following today: 2009.03.12 12:57:00 GM Gilsev ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi, Please accept our apologies for the late reply. After a review of this situation there is a button available in game which allows for the export of market information to a separate file. If you are attempting to decode the cache files in order to gain the market information, this is not allowed and is a violation of the EULA and is not allowed. Best Regards, GM Gilsev The EVE Online Customer Support Team ------ Sorry guys, i was just double checking with CCP before sinking time into developing that module for my programs. :-(
Daphne Eveningstar	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:05:00 - [156] /me opens popcorn
Ix Forres Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:38:00 - [157] Originally by: Caladain Barton Well, i have sad news. I filed a petition asking if it was okay to decode the Market cache (i was going to do it in my own programs) and got back the following today: 2009.03.12 12:57:00 GM Gilsev ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi, Please accept our apologies for the late reply. After a review of this situation there is a button available in game which allows for the export of market information to a separate file. If you are attempting to decode the cache files in order to gain the market information, this is not allowed and is a violation of the EULA and is not allowed. Best Regards, GM Gilsev The EVE Online Customer Support Team ------ Sorry guys, i was just double checking with CCP before sinking time into developing that module for my programs. :-( With all due respect to GM Gilsev, we did check with CCP at a high level before we released. Well in advance of release, in fact. We have not been told not to distribute the application in obfuscated format. If CCP ever come up to us and tell us we can't keep distributing it then we will of course cease distributing, but until they change their position from allowing us to stopping us we'll continue to distribute it. The module for cache decoding is obfuscated to stop any programs but EMU from using it, and the license also explicitly forbids use of the module. It's also locked down somewhat to prevent you from trying to load it in other programs. This is done to keep the module entirely secure and to avoid any controversy regarding it with CCP so as not to cause issues to other players or the site. We put a chunk of effort into making EMU as safe for players as possible, and that includes keeping within CCP's wishes in regards to the EULA. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense \| EVE Metrics (NEW) \| I Tweet
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:47:00 - [158] cough I keep that link handy for just this sort of thing ;) _ Got Item? \| EVE API?
Ix Forres Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:49:00 - [159] Originally by: Entity cough I keep that link handy for just this sort of thing ;) Knew there was a post confirming what I was saying somewhere. The confirmation we got was a private communication and CCP tend to not like posting those up on the internets. Cheers for the repost. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense \| EVE Metrics (NEW) \| I Tweet
Ix Forres Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:47:00 - [160] Just to say that all new Apochribba items are now viewable on the site. Any market uploads made for those items were loaded in when they were submitted and are now viewable. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense \| EVE Metrics (NEW) \| I Tweet
Ahro Thariori	Posted - 2009.03.14 03:24:00 - [161] friendly bump
Caladain Barton	Posted - 2009.03.15 00:20:00 - [162] Can we then have an Official CCP representative give judgment on this topic? I've gotten a "No" from a GM, filed through the petition system. You've got a private "yes" from who knows who and when. I don't doubt you, but i'd really like to have someone official come and "stamp" this as okay in a public manner. Partly so i feel better about using Eve-Metrics, and partly so i feel better about decoding the cache.
Ix Forres Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.15 01:21:00 - [163] Edited by: Ix Forres on 15/03/2009 01:37:58 Originally by: Caladain Barton Can we then have an Official CCP representative give judgment on this topic? I've gotten a "No" from a GM, filed through the petition system. You've got a private "yes" from who knows who and when. I don't doubt you, but i'd really like to have someone official come and "stamp" this as okay in a public manner. Partly so i feel better about using Eve-Metrics, and partly so i feel better about decoding the cache. As linked above, this is CCP's stance on the matter.... As detailed in the README bundled with the installer, you can delete CRUDE.dll from the install folder. This will remove EMU's ability to use cache decoding and turn it into a EVE Central-style log uploader. Logfiles can be uploaded by EMU as well as cache, but by removing CRUDE you limit it to just reading logs. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense \| EVE Metrics (NEW) \| I Tweet
Capt Nightmare Gallente Eve Logic	Posted - 2009.03.15 03:59:00 - [164] I accidentally the program and crude.dll!
Ix Forres Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.15 14:53:00 - [165] Originally by: Capt Nightmare I accidentally the program and crude.dll! You accidentally the whole program? EVE Metrics is getting more tools for wormholes in the next day or so, including some map utilities to let you see what class a wormhole will lead you to, what a given loci's class is, and so on. Behind the scenes we're also adding map API scraping and so on for more intelligence in regards to systems. And performance increases are, as ever, being introduced. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense \| EVE Metrics (NEW) \| I Tweet
Sir Ibex	Posted - 2009.03.15 17:51:00 - [166] Would it be possible to make an offline version of this, so players can do this for themselves instead of everyone?
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.03.17 17:29:00 - [167] I'm getting a lot of errors, both in uploading market data through the app and also just accessing the site. At the moment, site access error is: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET /. Reason: Error reading from remote server I don't use a proxy so the problem is at Eve-Metrics end....
Maestro Del'Tirith Del'Tirith Holdings	Posted - 2009.03.18 03:16:00 - [168] Are you SURE you don't use a proxy? Is it home internet provider or is it provided by college or whatnot?
ksc1226	Posted - 2009.03.19 22:55:00 - [169] I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but regardless of what specifications I input I always get movement=0. For example, when specifying the range to The Forge region and the item to tritanium: http://www.eve-metrics.com/market_reports/price_data.xml?type_ids=34®ion_ids=10000002 I still get movement as 0. Can you plz tell me what I'm doing wrng here. Thanks.
Khrillian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:38:00 - [170] Anyone know what's going on with this? I'm looking up the Mexallon summary data and Jita clearly has sell orders but the XML page has 0/0 for sell order high/low. XML: http://www.eve-metrics.com/market_reports/price_data.xml?type_ids=36&system_ids=30000142 Full Orders: http://www.eve-metrics.com/market/order_list/36
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.21 22:47:00 - [171] I'm running into a large problem with all the new T3 parts...nothing is being uploaded. I know you guys are doing some fancy math to filter outliers, but with T3 parts being so rare right now everything is being flagged as an outlier. Can you look into this and possibly change the formula to account for these type of rare goods? Yea, I know, the problem will be gone in another month or two when everything is fully seeded on the market, I'm impatient.
Ix Forres Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.22 17:45:00 - [172] Originally by: Sophie Daigneau I'm running into a large problem with all the new T3 parts...nothing is being uploaded. I know you guys are doing some fancy math to filter outliers, but with T3 parts being so rare right now everything is being flagged as an outlier. Can you look into this and possibly change the formula to account for these type of rare goods? Yea, I know, the problem will be gone in another month or two when everything is fully seeded on the market, I'm impatient. I'm working on this and similar problems in the market at the moment- new uploads where there are no previous orders or not enough to base a decision on should be counted as not outliers by default. API issues were bugreported; movement/order counts still have issues but the rest should be fixed. Please respond to the bugreport if you experience this again. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense \| EVE Metrics (NEW) \| I Tweet
Xuma Ixchel	Posted - 2009.03.22 20:33:00 - [173] Your marketuploader sometimes stops reading cache files completely on occasion. The log stops updating.
Steffan apRhys	Posted - 2009.03.22 23:10:00 - [174] I've tried to run the uploader via WINE -- I'm using Ubuntu instead of Windows. So far no success. Is anyone else running the uploader with Linux and Wine or something else?
Capt Nightmare Gallente TarNec	Posted - 2009.03.23 03:29:00 - [175] Originally by: Steffan apRhys I've tried to run the uploader via WINE -- I'm using Ubuntu instead of Windows. So far no success. Is anyone else running the uploader with Linux and Wine or something else? Does WINE support the .net framework? If not thats why. - Join the channel "SCC-Lounge" if you like talking about business and trade :) --
Muscaat Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.23 13:40:00 - [176] Originally by: Capt Nightmare Originally by: Steffan apRhys I've tried to run the uploader via WINE -- I'm using Ubuntu instead of Windows. So far no success. Is anyone else running the uploader with Linux and Wine or something else? Does WINE support the .net framework? If not thats why. You'll need Mono (and not Wine) for anything .NET-related. I haven't yet tried the EVE Metrics uploader through Mono, but it's on my list of things to try.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:42:00 - [177] And on that note, if anyone gets this working on OS X I'd love to hear exactly how you did it.
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.27 19:05:00 - [178] Originally by: Xuma Ixchel Your marketuploader sometimes stops reading cache files completely on occasion. The log stops updating. It¦s not reading my cache files at all now, hasn¦t for at least a day, if not more. Also, frequently get the message "Error uploading xxx.txt: No response from server."
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.03.28 04:49:00 - [179] A few questions: How can I tell what version I'm running and whether I should upgrade Is it anything to with the uploader that my Market pages sometime don't update to current data? I've been religiously running the uploader but the XML reports are too limited to be of much use. What are the plans for those? As more people use this, lag seems to be becoming a problem. Is there anything that can be done? I'd be more than happy to pay ISKies if more options were offered on the XML output - maybe you could rent out the Developers Keys if you're going to use them on the XML loads - 50 Mill a month for unlimited XML calls
Ix Forres Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.28 21:41:00 - [180] Originally by: Kitchie A few questions: How can I tell what version I'm running and whether I should upgrade Is it anything to with the uploader that my Market pages sometime don't update to current data? I've been religiously running the uploader but the XML reports are too limited to be of much use. What are the plans for those? As more people use this, lag seems to be becoming a problem. Is there anything that can be done? I'd be more than happy to pay ISKies if more options were offered on the XML output - maybe you could rent out the Developers Keys if you're going to use them on the XML loads - 50 Mill a month for unlimited XML calls Version number should be on the application main window. I keep complaining at Salvis to do an autoupdater/update notifier but it's not in yet. If in doubt, update from the site. If pages don't update it could be one of many things- cache in your browser, cache on the server, background worker on the server not processing your file yet or being overloaded with work, and so on. There's issues with some T3, too, which is being worked out. Which XML reports do you find limiting? What else would you want from your API? Serverside application performance is an issue I'm working on as much as possible. I don't get paid to write EVE Metrics in ú or ISK, so reality and other work takes priority; while things aren't flying along, it's all being worked on. I do not intend to make data available at cost. The only site sections that may cost ISK will be specific tools that make use of the data. Data should be freely available for all, imo. Web hooks (POST) will be made available to replace the Gnip feed we have in place currently for pushed copies of all uploads we receive. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense \| EVE Metrics (NEW) \| I Tweet

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