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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:14:00 -
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Eve players are in average 25-30 years old and usually have an above average education (this was meantioned somewhere by CCP, can't find the source).
That are people in their creative years, that otherwise could use their time to work on real life problems, invent new technology, solve environmental problems or be of good use to the society in many other ways.
Instead 30-40 thousand of them are sitting in front of their PC at any given time, wasting their creativity for fighting imaginary wars with non-existant ships.
That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. People are lured into a useless activity by CCP with their awesome computergame. Isn't this just a big waste of potential caused by CCP, a true damage for the world society ?
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:15:00 -
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It's my time to waste as I please, tyvm 
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FluterEx
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:18:00 -
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Would you be happy if we start spending our brainpower on playing RL Wargames ?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:19:00 -
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Clearly we're not talking about the same Society
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:21:00 -
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Keep s****off the streets imo.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 23/02/2009 13:23:11
What should we be doing? Having sex with the wife? Trying to collectively save the cancer?
It's free time, we'd either use it to **** of our respective missuses or try out the wear/tear features of the couch so it being usedon EVE has zero effect on society.
You don't expect a scientist to use his free time to invent a reliable source of free energy do you? No, it's work hours.
We work, then we have fun with EVE.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:25:00 -
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I already have problems enough staying sane as it is... Do not take away my only means of escaping reality!
Besides, I am quite able to do my programming while EVE is running in the background.
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Holy Lowlander
Comply Or Die
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
I already have problems enough staying sane as it is... Do not take away my only means of escaping reality!
Besides, I am quite able to do my programming while EVE is running in the background.
you macroer.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:27:00 -
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Being a masters degree engineer I work hard hours at office inventing new technology. In the evening I go home and shoot stuffi n EVE :P.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Eve players are in average 25-30 years old and usually have an above average education (this was meantioned somewhere by CCP, can't find the source).
That are people in their creative years, that otherwise could use their time to work on real life problems, invent new technology, solve environmental problems or be of good use to the society in many other ways.
Instead 30-40 thousand of them are sitting in front of their PC at any given time, wasting their creativity for fighting imaginary wars with non-existant ships.
That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. People are lured into a useless activity by CCP with their awesome computergame. Isn't this just a big waste of potential caused by CCP, a true damage for the world society ?
The assumption here is that they would be doing something "useful" if they weren't playing EvE. 95% of them would probably just be playing another game.
In short: no.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: FluterEx
Would you be happy if we start spending our brainpower on playing RL Wargames ?
This is an interesting aspect. Since in Eve there are plenty of people with vicious intention towards their fellow players (think of all that scammers, griefer, powerabusers etc.), one could say CCP does something usefull by absorbing the time of (potential) criminals and offering them a place to live out their criminal energy without inflicting real harm to the society. So maybe this even balances the damage ...
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:36:00 -
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Yhatsee said that eve is a second job you have to pay for; i agree in part, but for me, eve is a job where i can have a positive effect on my 'workmates' and where there is a proper sence of community (at least, in corp)
frankley id rather be playing internet spaceships then writing music no one listens to.
maby if there was less pvp is could mine in peace and alt-tab to a word processor to continue my literature work :P j/k, bring the pew pew!
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:46:00 -
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The "world society" has two options. Let me decide what I do with my free time or decide it for me and make me actively resist it. Trying to excert too much control over individuals would be much more destructive to the society, than letting people "waste their time" once in a while.
I don't consider it a waste of time, since it serves an important function(s) for me. I don't really care how others see it. If we start deciding these things on some generic standard, most luxuries in life would propably be removed as un-necessary and wasteful.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:48:00 -
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Do you really want 5000 Goons to leave the Basement and start lurching round your cities, applying to your workplace and in your favourite pub?
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Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1 |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Eve players are in average 25-30 years old and usually have an above average education (this was meantioned somewhere by CCP, can't find the source).
That are people in their creative years, that otherwise could use their time to work on real life problems, invent new technology, solve environmental problems or be of good use to the society in many other ways.
Instead 30-40 thousand of them are sitting in front of their PC at any given time, wasting their creativity for fighting imaginary wars with non-existant ships.
That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. People are lured into a useless activity by CCP with their awesome computergame. Isn't this just a big waste of potential caused by CCP, a true damage for the world society ?
You failed to factor in something important.
What if I don't bloody want to invent new technology or solve environmental problems?
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Jukhta Mein
Thunderbolts
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Do you really want 5000 Goons to leave the Basement and start lurching round your cities, applying to your workplace and in your favourite pub?
The assumption here is that goons are damaging to society. Is that a good assumption?
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Jim Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Eve players are in average 25-30 years old and usually have an above average education (this was meantioned somewhere by CCP, can't find the source).
That are people in their creative years, that otherwise could use their time to work on real life problems, invent new technology, solve environmental problems or be of good use to the society in many other ways.
Instead 30-40 thousand of them are sitting in front of their PC at any given time, wasting their creativity for fighting imaginary wars with non-existant ships.
That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. People are lured into a useless activity by CCP with their awesome computergame. Isn't this just a big waste of potential caused by CCP, a true damage for the world society ?
The only one damaging the society here is you. In the 2 minutes i have spent in this thread i could have brought peace to planet earth.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:00:00 -
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I'd say if said students were playing a game when they should be studying or otherwise engaging in activities beneficial to the reason they are in school then maybe they will never have the focus and self discipline to do anything past monkey work in a cubicle anyways? So let 'em be the mules and cannon fodder to attain the dedicated players goals in this game as they will be lackeys and paper shufflers in a real life corp regardless. 
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:02:00 -
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If it wasn't for CCP I'd be waiting outside post offices on pension day with a cricket bat and a burlap sack with "point" written on it.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain
If it wasn't for CCP I'd be waiting outside post offices on pension day with a cricket bat and a burlap sack with "point" written on it.
Crowd Control Productions indeed. 
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:07:00 -
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Indeed the OP is right.
I am thinking the same for a while now. Normally I engaged in 10s of projects, from programming simulations to making a reactable table etc. Even my work would interest me (a bit).
Nowadays, my Lego Mindstorms project stopped after a week, never took the time to connect c# to Number 5. My simulations aren't touched for at least 2 years and my work is on automatic pilot.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 23/02/2009 14:10:15
When I think about it, the OP is right.
[note to self] Must quit Eve and play a less intelligent game like WOW instead to avoid damaging society [/note to self]
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No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
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Mina Hiragi
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
This is an interesting aspect. Since in Eve there are plenty of people with vicious intention towards their fellow players (think of all that scammers, griefer, powerabusers etc.), one could say CCP does something usefull by absorbing the time of (potential) criminals and offering them a place to live out their criminal energy without inflicting real harm to the society. So maybe this even balances the damage ...
May the gods forgive me for quoting Goonswarm:
EVE is a game of internet spaceships.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mina Hiragi
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
This is an interesting aspect. Since in Eve there are plenty of people with vicious intention towards their fellow players (think of all that scammers, griefer, powerabusers etc.), one could say CCP does something usefull by absorbing the time of (potential) criminals and offering them a place to live out their criminal energy without inflicting real harm to the society. So maybe this even balances the damage ...
May the gods forgive me for quoting Goonswarm:
EVE is a game of internet spaceships.
..that gives you free reign to do anything you want and act anyway you like in a sandbox enviroment with only your personal choices and morals restricting you.
Now since this disscussion is about the effects eve has on real life society as it applys to students I think the op is very much on to something. 
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
John Holt
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:38:00 -
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I recommend the OP read "This Gaming Life" by Rossignol. He talks about the benefits of gaming and why it is a good form of learning and recreation. He specifically speaks of how gaming led him to a useful and productive career.
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Junko Togawa
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:47:00 -
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*yawn* Boring troll is...zzzz...honkshu...honkshu... 
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ISHKUR MASTER
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:10:00 -
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Ok then, I take your point.
Oh crap, so many hours I have wasted on this game, I will head outside and make my hours of waste go toward something constructive.
I'll get the boat out and go fishing now, and put in a bit of offroad aggression while I am at it too.
I forgot about my constructive activities in this world because of this game.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:16:00 -
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Frankly, it's Eve or pron. I'm told CCP uses slightly less slavery and drugs, so I'm actually doing my bit to improve society by playing Eve.
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:19:00 -
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After a long day of working in the defense industry, I just feel like blowing stuff up...you know...launching long range missiles, etc.
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Seetesh
Caldari
Warped Mining
Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:20:00 -
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Well i agree that the vast majority have a higher than average IQ.
But i don't think everyone sits around at home all day playing this game, alot of people either work from home or like myself take a laptop to work and play on it there; i've gotten quite a few of my students into this game and compared to other MMO's it is very complex and the player driven enviroment always create's new things and problems to solve so it never really gets boring.
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