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Rordan D'Kherr	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:35:00 - [31] Edited by: Rordan D''Kherr on 23/02/2009 15:37:01 Most people in EVE have a cruel mind. So CCP does the society a favor to keep these people trapped in an alternative reality. How many manhours are wasted on stupid shows in TV btw? 10,000,000,000,000 a day?
Mina Hiragi Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Mina Hiragi Originally by: Yakia TovilToba This is an interesting aspect. Since in Eve there are plenty of people with vicious intention towards their fellow players (think of all that scammers, griefer, powerabusers etc.), one could say CCP does something usefull by absorbing the time of (potential) criminals and offering them a place to live out their criminal energy without inflicting real harm to the society. So maybe this even balances the damage ... May the gods forgive me for quoting Goonswarm: EVE is a *game* of *internet spaceships. ..that gives you free reign to do anything you want and act anyway you like in a sandbox enviroment with only your personal choices and morals restricting you. Now since this disscussion is about the effects eve has on real life society as it applys to students I think the op is very much on to something. No, he isn't. Anyone who can somehow confuse real life crime and its causes with what goes on in EVE has no business making any statements with regard to EVE's affect on society. This is nothing more than the usual, "That guy blew up my hauler; he must be some no-life ghetto thug in real life!" anti-pirate trolling. Can you say with a straight face you seriously believe car thieves would be happy jacking battleships left at safespots? That the CEOs of American banks would be happy scamming eCorporations out of valueless ISK instead of making billions in real life* money through creative accounting? That serial murderers would somehow be sated by the occasional pod kill? That the horrors of slavery - which still exists in many parts of the world - could all be avoided if people would simply roll Amarrian roleplaying characters? The idea that CCP and EVE are "absorbing the time of (potential) criminals and offering them a place to live out their criminal energy" is laughable at best, and at worst directly insulting to anyone who's ever put rounds across the bow of an opponent's internet spaceship.
Rordan D'Kherr	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:36:00 - [33] Edited by: Rordan D''Kherr on 23/02/2009 15:36:34 doublepost.
Lysianna Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:45:00 - [34] CCP made a game for bright people and that's great. It's good to have a good brain stimulant. This allows us to think and keep our brain active. Which in return, will make us even brighter! Most MMOs are so dumb down that it's not even fun anymore. Also, if the statistics are right... then that means the ones really wasting their time are "WOW" players and such. People that are in the adverage levels of intelligence and education, not doing a single thing to become better. hehe, people are people... doesn't really matter what game we play, the world is going to end when it's due and if someone has to invent something, then he will. ________________________________________________ Lysianna Hazumason Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:48:00 - [35] I'm pretty dumb so I don't feel like the OP applies to me, but most of you all do. It would be best if you contracted me all of your virtual property and left the game to go do important things.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Mina Hiragi The idea that CCP and EVE are "absorbing the time of (potential) criminals and offering them a place to live out their criminal energy" is laughable at best, and at worst directly insulting to anyone who's ever put rounds across the bow of an opponent's internet spaceship. Just because you are not a potential 'real life criminal' and are attracted to the stylized violence of eve does not mean that some other person isn't. Those who do indeed have 'real like criminal' potential and have an attraction to the virtual criminal lifestyle of eve might never be fataly tempted to do something in real life that has no real life clone to save them. In this case it would be a benefit to society unlike the scenario outlined in the thread op. Truth be told though eve or drugs or anything that is a temptation or addiction is all up to the person in question to make a choice and that has nothing to do with ccp. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:30:00 - [37] People mainly use their leisure time to rest. For the vast majority of the West, that means sitting in front of a TV for passive entertainment. CCP is improving society by providing interactive entertainment.

CCP Abathur	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:46:00 - [38] EVE's 2011 expansion will cure cancer.

Rordan D'Kherr	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:47:00 - [39] Originally by: CCP Abathur EVE's 2011 expansion will cure cancer. I was just about to say it.
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:47:00 - [40] Originally by: Cory Sopapilla After a long day of working in the defense industry, I just feel like blowing stuff up...you know...launching long range missiles, etc. i dunno if this post makes me more relaxed or afraid well mannered ah*
Mike Vandenberg Caldari Virtual Structure Management	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. Put Dollars to that. Since those are well educated people, you can assume that they are worth an average income of let's say 75,000 USD a year. That's 2.5 billion USD a year. But if CCP would not be doing it, that worth of productivity would probably go to WoW. Mike Vandenberg
Drunk Driver Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Eve players are in average 25-30 years old and usually have an above average education (this was meantioned somewhere by CCP, can't find the source). That are people in their creative years, that otherwise could use their time to work on real life problems, invent new technology, solve environmental problems or be of good use to the society in many other ways. Instead 30-40 thousand of them are sitting in front of their PC at any given time, wasting their creativity for fighting imaginary wars with non-existant ships. That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. People are lured into a useless activity by CCP with their awesome computergame. Isn't this just a big waste of potential caused by CCP, a true damage for the world society ? CCP computer game > solving world hunger. --------------------------------------- I support log offs. There's just something about denying free electrons to my computer that appeals to my need for control.
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Eve players are in average 25-30 years old and usually have an above average education (this was meantioned somewhere by CCP, can't find the source). That are people in their creative years, that otherwise could use their time to work on real life problems, invent new technology, solve environmental problems or be of good use to the society in many other ways. Instead 30-40 thousand of them are sitting in front of their PC at any given time, wasting their creativity for fighting imaginary wars with non-existant ships. That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. People are lured into a useless activity by CCP with their awesome computergame. Isn't this just a big waste of potential caused by CCP, a true damage for the world society ? What people do in their spare time is up to the individual. If they were not playing Eve they would be doing something else 'wasteful' like watching a DVD or going down the Pub. It's called freetime and it happens after work and real life is out of the way.
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Droog 1 What people do in their spare time is up to the individual. If they were not playing Eve they would be doing something else 'wasteful' like watching a DVD or going down the Pub. It's called freetime and it happens after work and real life is out of the way. Lines of china white of a hookers ****? Anyone? Anyone......
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:34:00 - [45] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/02/2009 17:37:09 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. You're right, those hours could be used working for some real life corporation to make its owner richer. Now we're working to make the owner of CCP richer. What the hell people? Your post is like Fox News, only showing one side of the story. Games like these not only force people to be creative to be successful, they improve team work abilities as well as social abilities and so on. Picking between watching Top Model for 700.000 hours and playing Eve, I know which one I think is more harmful to a young person. Its not Eve. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:32:00 - [46] To the OP. As a scientist, not working on a longer lasting lightbulb, I can tell you that during my off work hours I do research as well. Like right now. I'm research how best to pew pew you in this game. I've got some really interesting ideas on the subject. You'll see ... cue evil laughter ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:38:00 - [47] i'm a scientist i guess, technically. and while i could spend my offwork hours monitoring sensors even closer, i'd rather fkoff and make high sec pirates cry.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:39:00 - [48] Originally by: CCP Abathur EVE's 2011 expansion will cure cancer. Yeah but I bet we don't see the cure actually working until 2012...
Kiltharas Makaar Amarr New Eden Research and Development Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:42:00 - [49] Well duh... Crowd Control Productions /puts on tinfoil hat New Eden Research & Development Syndicate is recruiting!
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:55:00 - [50] Originally by: CCP Abathur EVE's 2011 expansion will cure cancer. Stop causing lag by running molecular biology simulations in the background! We demand the whole server capacity! Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:00:00 - [51] Edited by: UMEE on 23/02/2009 19:05:36 Edited by: UMEE on 23/02/2009 19:01:28 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Eve players are in average 25-30 years old and usually have an above average education (this was meantioned somewhere by CCP, can't find the source). That are people in their creative years, that otherwise could use their time to work on real life problems, invent new technology, solve environmental problems or be of good use to the society in many other ways. Instead 30-40 thousand of them are sitting in front of their PC at any given time, wasting their creativity for fighting imaginary wars with non-existant ships. That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. People are lured into a useless activity by CCP with their awesome computergame. Isn't this just a big waste of potential caused by CCP, a true damage for the world society ? im bumping this because this is becoming a serious social issue. this speaks of - our disconnect between mind and body - the meaninglessness people feel as members of Western societies - the lack of social support and connection between people in real life, as more and more individuals log on for the sake of interacting and not playing a video game the line between reality and abstraction is blurring at an astonishing rate, as demonstrated by the increasing popularity of MMORPG's in the adult population. all while our environment is getting destroyed, and all the while the prevalence of chronic illnesses and associated cardiovascular conditions is increasing. ultimately, while CCP does make one hell of a product, it is just another corporation that is thoughtlessly catering to the demand in order to make a profit. the people who work for CCP do not see the issue because they are not working as teachers, nurses, sociologists or doctors; they do not have this education. so to them, it's about self-expression and entertaining people with shiny things. however, we cant point fingers because this is a complex issue. people, their cultural and physical environments are all interconnected. if people do not fulfill their meaning in the real word, they will enter a state of anomie and seek other means through which they can realize their existence
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:07:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Abathur EVE's 2011 expansion will cure cancer. brilliant.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:09:00 - [53] Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr Edited by: Rordan D''Kherr on 23/02/2009 15:37:01 Most people in EVE have a cruel mind. So CCP does the society a favor to keep these people trapped in an alternative reality. How many manhours are wasted on stupid shows in TV btw? 10,000,000,000,000 a day? yes, exactly. we'll look for an exit regardless.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:13:00 - [54] Edited by: UMEE on 23/02/2009 19:15:54 Originally by: Lysianna CCP made a game for bright people and that's great. It's good to have a good brain stimulant. This allows us to think and keep our brain active. Which in return, will make us even brighter! Most MMOs are so dumb down that it's not even fun anymore. Also, if the statistics are right... then that means the ones really wasting their time are "WOW" players and such. People that are in the adverage levels of intelligence and education, not doing a single thing to become better. hehe, people are people... doesn't really matter what game we play, the world is going to end when it's due and if someone has to invent something, then he will. games like EVE stimulate only a select few regions of the brain. overall though, it puts into a slumber. by immersing ourselves in it, we leave physical reality and repress our real life problems, as well as real life desires (which may be out of reach for whatever reason). all 'good' games do this. dont delude yourself into thinking that youre actually using your mind-body to play. you're only using a very, very small part of your capacity to think abstractly; you're not taking part in reality, acquiring any skills or improving your mental and physical health in any way.
Seishi Maru M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:30:00 - [55] Originally by: CCP Abathur EVE's 2011 expansion will cure cancer. why to care if the world gonna end in 2012?
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:44:00 - [56] Originally by: CCP Abathur EVE's 2011 expansion will cure cancer. lol CCP just hijacked the thread! ---
Tamulus Dusharne	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:57:00 - [57] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. People are lured into a useless activity by CCP with their awesome computergame. Isn't this just a big waste of potential caused by CCP, a true damage for the world society ? So what you're saying is not only should I be spending my work hours to better the electronic portion of my province's health care system, but I should be spending my free time doing the same thing? There's a rather large hole in your logic there, pal. After spending between 8 and 14 hours of my day working with code, the last thing I want to do is come home, eat dinner, then do it all over again until I go to sleep. Like most people, I enjoy to relax after work. This, in no way, deters from a person's ability to be a contribution to the workplace. At best, your point is completely moot. Perhaps you allow this game to detract from your ability to complete your work, but I would assume it's fairly safe to say the majority of people who play this game do not. If you find that this game adversely affects your ability to contribute to society, there is a simple solution to your problem: Stop playing this game. It's that simple. Did you actually put thought behind this post before you hammered it out?
Kiay Stryx Gallente Phoenix Mandate	Posted - 2009.02.23 20:01:00 - [58] Originally by: CCP Abathur EVE's 2011 expansion will cure cancer. CCP staff come up with the best quotes. ~Stryx Originally by: CCP Abathur EVE's 2011 expansion will cure cancer.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.23 20:36:00 - [59] Originally by: Tamulus Dusharne Originally by: Yakia TovilToba That's a daily waste of around 700.000 manhours. People are lured into a useless activity by CCP with their awesome computergame. Isn't this just a big waste of potential caused by CCP, a true damage for the world society ? So what you're saying is not only should I be spending my work hours to better the electronic portion of my province's health care system, but I should be spending my free time doing the same thing? There's a rather large hole in your logic there, pal. After spending between 8 and 14 hours of my day working with code, the last thing I want to do is come home, eat dinner, then do it all over again until I go to sleep. Like most people, I enjoy to relax after work. This, in no way, deters from a person's ability to be a contribution to the workplace. At best, your point is completely moot. Perhaps you allow this game to detract from your ability to complete your work, but I would assume it's fairly safe to say the majority of people who play this game do not. If you find that this game adversely affects your ability to contribute to society, there is a simple solution to your problem: Stop playing this game. It's that simple. Did you actually put thought behind this post before you hammered it out? he meant hours outside of work. like the hours you would normally use to better yourself.
luurch	Posted - 2009.02.23 21:27:00 - [60] Edited by: luurch on 23/02/2009 21:30:00 Edited by: luurch on 23/02/2009 21:28:24 Hmmm, My girlfriend agrees with the OP. However, i believe that he is wrong.. My corpies and I have a huge variety of roles in RL, from NASA engineers, to communications experts working in developing world nations to increase infrastructure, to Charity Fundraisers, and even a favourite hippy of mine who lives on a beach in India pondering the higher meanings of life so he can teach the rest of us how to chill the f*ck out one day.. All of these people have a positive effect on the world about them, and here's the key thing... They play internet spaceships in their FREE TIME. C'mon, if we were to carry on doing all the great things we do in our day job 24-7, we'd burn out pretty fast. And that my friend would be the truly damaging effect on society! edit: I noticed that others have a very similar argument.. and also that the original poster is in a corp called Haliburton! I lol'ed

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