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deppth Everybodys-Dead-Dave 0	Posted - 2012.04.25 10:05:00 - [1] - Quote So I watched the video at fan-fest about the ship balancing. I noticed the Legion was highlighted in red, does this mean It's getting a buff at last!? because at the moment it's a very limited ship with terrible DPS for the training required. The max I've seen a legion do is 850dps. And that's with faction modules....
Maxine Bellorum Posthuman Society Enclave. 2	Posted - 2012.04.25 10:53:00 - [2] - Quote so 850 dps is a bad thing for a t3?
deppth Everybodys-Dead-Dave 0	Posted - 2012.04.25 11:00:00 - [3] - Quote Well the Tengu can hit 1200+ at a much better range. Clearly CCP think there is something wrong with the Legion as It's highlighted in red.
Jekto Altaris Impulsive Anarchy 5	Posted - 2012.04.25 11:03:00 - [4] - Quote deppth wrote: Well the Tengu can hit 1200+ at a much better range. Clearly CCP think there is something wrong with the Legion as It's highlighted in red. Please link a Tengu fit with 1200+ dps and not a 1200+ dps tank.
Perihelion Olenard Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2012.04.25 11:20:00 - [5] - Quote deppth wrote: Well the Tengu can hit 1200+ at a much better range. Clearly CCP think there is something wrong with the Legion as It's highlighted in red. Perhaps they're just showing a picture of how they want it to look in-game. The legion is going to be red.
deppth Everybodys-Dead-Dave 0	Posted - 2012.04.25 11:26:00 - [6] - Quote Perihelion Olenard wrote: deppth wrote: Well the Tengu can hit 1200+ at a much better range. Clearly CCP think there is something wrong with the Legion as It's highlighted in red. Perhaps they're just showing a picture of how they want it to look in-game. The legion is going to be red. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1067557 Nah the Legion is a mess at the moment. Terrible range and very average DPS
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 30	Posted - 2012.04.25 14:39:00 - [7] - Quote Jekto Altaris wrote: Please link a Tengu fit with 1200+ dps and not a 1200+ dps tank. Not possible, but this does 1000+ dps without implants and has 1000 dps tank. [Tengu, Tengu fit] Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile [Empty High slot] Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified EM Ward Field Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
Kisuke Riva Ares Inc. 18	Posted - 2012.04.25 14:45:00 - [8] - Quote Bring this to your next Armor HAC roaming and you'll have some fun. If you whine about the price tag, go run some incursions with a little tweaking. [Legion, Big Daddy Zealot] Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner True Sansha Warp Disruptor Stasis Webifier II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Roime Shiva Furnace 577	Posted - 2012.04.25 14:48:00 - [9] - Quote From the other Legion thread: Stats of some major wormhole alliances/corps: Transmission Lost Rooks and Kings Adhocracy Inc. Aquila Inc. SRS Aperture Harmonics Narwhals ate my duck Exhale. NorCorp Enterprise Proteus 15156 Legion 15044 Loki 14892 Tengu 3292 Nerf the Tengu! ~ Elite forum PvP ~
Teras Lakkos ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere 32	Posted - 2012.04.25 16:33:00 - [10] - Quote 1 and a half working offensive subs, non versatile, silly slot allocations and terrible ewar bonus. Does laser pve pretty well and is tanky. About sums it up. quick edit: if i had to guess as to the fixes by ccp slapping it and the pilgrim with a range bonus on neuts rework of the offensive subs moar lows
Maxine Bellorum Posthuman Society Enclave. 3	Posted - 2012.04.26 02:13:00 - [11] - Quote Roime wrote: From the other Legion thread: Stats of some major wormhole alliances/corps: Transmission Lost Rooks and Kings Adhocracy Inc. Aquila Inc. SRS Aperture Harmonics Narwhals ate my duck Exhale. NorCorp Enterprise Proteus 15156 Legion 15044 Loki 14892 Tengu 3292 Nerf the Tengu! If you know anything about whs, you'll also know why the legion is the most used t3 for pvp ops. This post shows otherwise.
Entrepreuna Wrecking Shots Test Alliance Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2012.04.26 02:43:00 - [12] - Quote R&K uses Neuting legions. They play a very niche role. Overall the legion isn't bad. it's a pretty solid PvP t3....
Jack Miton Lapse Of Sanity Exhale. 213	Posted - 2012.04.26 04:41:00 - [13] - Quote Legion is crap, no way around it. Only thing it does very well is neut. It needs a dps bonus on the covers sub and a 25m3 drone bay on its HAM and Laser subs. Could also use a very slight grid buff on the laser sub.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 598	Posted - 2012.04.26 04:53:00 - [14] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Legion is crap, no way around it. Only thing it does very well is neut. The 100MN AB-HAM Legion would like to speak to you. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Roime Shiva Furnace 591	Posted - 2012.04.26 05:42:00 - [15] - Quote I don't really see the logic here. 1. Ship is excellent at something in PvP 2. Ship is about the most used T3 for PvP -> ship sucks for PvP? All three T3s have a role in PvP. Proteus brawls, Legion neuts and Loki gives the minmatards a chance to experience T3 combat while they skill up for Proteus. Tengus are not really welcome to fleets, but they sometimes end up on killmails when someone fails a gank in anomalies. ~ Elite forum PvP ~
Alara IonStorm 2035	Posted - 2012.04.26 05:51:00 - [16] - Quote Roime wrote: Tengus are not really welcome to fleets, but they sometimes end up on killmails when someone fails a gank in anomalies. They are very welcome in Tengu fleets. If you limit the PvP argument to the Jita undock the Vindicator is the best ship in the game. Tengu's are wider spread then the other T3's outside of Wormholes.
Roime Shiva Furnace 592	Posted - 2012.04.26 07:35:00 - [17] - Quote If you limit the PVP argument to blob fests, Drake is the best ship in game Also, my post had other completely serious statements as well. There are many practical reasons why people prefer small-sig massive buffer armor brawlers in w-space, none of which make the Tengu a sucky ship in general On seriously serious note just forget all blanket statements. ~ Elite forum PvP ~
deppth Everybodys-Dead-Dave 0	Posted - 2012.04.26 11:14:00 - [18] - Quote The legion is dire at PVE. Terrible range and average damage! Not everybody wants to PVP!
Roime Shiva Furnace 594	Posted - 2012.04.26 11:21:00 - [19] - Quote deppth wrote: Not everybody wants to PVP! Yes they do, but some people just don't know it yet ~ Elite forum PvP ~
Mr Floydy The Xenodus Initiative. 17	Posted - 2012.04.26 12:24:00 - [20] - Quote Legion is pretty awesome in some fits, both for PvP and PvE. It does lack the flexibility of some of the other T3s though - that's the buff I'd like to see. I'm yet to see any real use for the drone sub, cloaky sub could do with a more useful bonus too. re: the other subs - I can't decide on the parasitic sub, in some ways I'd prefer a range bonus, but it also has some nice niche uses with an amount bonus. I'd not complain about a nice buff though ;)
Adeena Torcfist Dark Underground Forces 27	Posted - 2012.04.30 10:50:00 - [21] - Quote parasitic should have a range bonus & keep the current amount bonus. HAMs need more damage or at the very least, travel further than they currently do, with maybe a small drone bay. Drone sub needs an overhaul.
Jerick Ludhowe Wraiths of Abaddon 62	Posted - 2012.04.30 11:09:00 - [22] - Quote deppth wrote: So I watched the video at fan-fest about the ship balancing. I noticed the Legion was highlighted in red, does this mean It's getting a buff at last!? because at the moment it's a very limited ship with terrible DPS for the training required. The max I've seen a legion do is 850dps. And that's with faction modules.... You buff the legion and there literally will be no reason to fly the far more skill intensive Absolution. The legion is basically better at being an absolution than the absolution is.
Mr Floydy The Xenodus Initiative. 17	Posted - 2012.04.30 13:25:00 - [23] - Quote Jerick Ludhowe wrote: You buff the legion and there literally will be no reason to fly the far more skill intensive Absolution. The legion is basically better at being an absolution than the absolution is. This is true, but really - go compare the Proteus to the Astarte and especially the Tengu to the Nighthawk. Absolution and Astarte atleast have some benefits over a T3 - whilst the Nighthawk has none whatsoever over the Tengu. Combat fit T3s and Command ships need a bit of tweaking accross the board.
deppth Everybodys-Dead-Dave 0	Posted - 2012.04.30 14:21:00 - [24] - Quote The legion needs more range or a drone bay!
Darex Nidor Interstellar Ministeries United Homeworlds 2	Posted - 2012.04.30 14:24:00 - [25] - Quote Legion needs damage bonus for cov ops sub
Adeena Torcfist Dark Underground Forces 27	Posted - 2012.05.01 11:43:00 - [26] - Quote I think when the legion gets buffed, they will adjust the commandships accordingly. So i really wouldnt worry. In fact, a few ships may get a slight buff. I fi dont see range & amount on the parasitic sub, more range or vastly more damage on the HAM's, the Cov ops overhaul & drone sub Fixed, not only will i not be happy, but it'll be a waste of time. Tho i have confidence that the developers are already looking into this, & testing of the news modified stats will be up on SiSi soon for testing
Gul'gotha Derv'ash Occupational Hazzard Ushra'Khan 0	Posted - 2012.05.01 14:11:00 - [27] - Quote I think the main problem with T3's in general is that the Tengu is leaps and bounds above the others. It can do just about everything any of the other T3's can do and usually does it better. That makes everyone look at T3's and think everything but the Tengu sucks. Which in all but specific situations (when compared to the Tengu), they do. I think that the Tengu needs taken down a peg or two, or the other T3's need to get buff in a few spots. Look in the character bazaar. 75% of toons for sale are Tengu alts or pre-Tengu starters. This is the breakdown I hear from most people in regards to T3s. Tengu: I do everything and do it well Legion: Solo Explorer/C2-3 soloer Protues: 1k dps cloaky or huge tank bralwer Loki: Expensive recon/hac That being said, it will be interesting to see how all ships will go when the revamp and new modules come along. Hopefully we get some balancing across the board and those useless ships get some loving.
Skelee VI Wraithguard. 6	Posted - 2012.05.01 17:46:00 - [28] - Quote the legion was red, cause it was about to kill a tengu! LOL they should make it black."Black Legion". How many of you who made comments about a a legion, have actually flown one? I will fly a legion over tengu anyday. tengu is just a beefed up drake that likes to run away from battle. Tengu = good ratting ship, thats all it is good for.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 195	Posted - 2012.05.01 18:18:00 - [29] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Legion is crap, no way around it. Only thing it does very well is neut. The 100MN AB-HAM Legion would like to speak to you. How exactly is this supposed to work when the maximum range of HAMs on a Legion, not assuming Javelins, is about 25 km? You can't turn on a dime with the 100MN AB active and if you try to that mostly defeats the purpose of fitting one in the first place. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window.
Sindjin Hawke Drunk Chaos Unprovoked Aggression 8	Posted - 2012.05.01 18:56:00 - [30] - Quote The Legion needs alaser buff. Capacitor use, damage and range.

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