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Lizardo	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:28:00 - [1] Guys (meaning the forum managers)...you really need to get you act together. One of you is busy locking threads that contain things discovered in this patch and referring them to "patch issues" where Kieron is SPECIFICALLY saying he does not want to hear about "nerfs" when in fact they way overdid it on missiles this time. Or is it the intention of these forums to delete anything that criticizes CCP's latest changes, so that everything will be wonderful in this most perfect of all possible worlds? I have seen this tendency among you for quite some time, and it seems to be growing: stifle dissent, quash dialogue, ignore user complaints, listen only to goodness about CCP. Bet this thread too gets locked.
Lizardo	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:28:00 - [2] Guys (meaning the forum managers)...you really need to get you act together. One of you is busy locking threads that contain things discovered in this patch and referring them to "patch issues" where Kieron is SPECIFICALLY saying he does not want to hear about "nerfs" when in fact they way overdid it on missiles this time. Or is it the intention of these forums to delete anything that criticizes CCP's latest changes, so that everything will be wonderful in this most perfect of all possible worlds? I have seen this tendency among you for quite some time, and it seems to be growing: stifle dissent, quash dialogue, ignore user complaints, listen only to goodness about CCP. Bet this thread too gets locked.
Chaza Darkheart	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:30:00 - [3] They'll wipe your text before locking it.
Chaza Darkheart	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:30:00 - [4] They'll wipe your text before locking it.
Smooth Sherbert	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Lizardo Bet this thread too gets locked. boom. here i is. smooth as icecream.
Smooth Sherbert	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Lizardo Bet this thread too gets locked. boom. here i is. smooth as icecream.
Lizardo	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:32:00 - [7] Oh...another point. In doing this you are doing a serious disservice to CCP, because without community feedback, or community feedback that is skewed in a particular direction, they will not know that they have alienated the player base until subsrciptions fall through the floor.
Lizardo	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:32:00 - [8] Oh...another point. In doing this you are doing a serious disservice to CCP, because without community feedback, or community feedback that is skewed in a particular direction, they will not know that they have alienated the player base until subsrciptions fall through the floor.
Nostradamu5	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:35:00 - [9] Lizardo All valid points but IBTL Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug! Additionally with the purchase of each mug you will receive two(2) invisible Elves.
Nostradamu5	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:35:00 - [10] Lizardo All valid points but IBTL Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug! Additionally with the purchase of each mug you will receive two(2) invisible Elves.
Nostradamu5	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:44:00 - [11] What is this still here? The Mods must be all busy or something. I believe Kieron was referring to "nerf" complaints being opened in the wrong forum, general discussion is not the catch all "***** forum". Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug! Additionally with the purchase of each mug you will receive two(2) invisible Elves.
Nostradamu5	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:44:00 - [12] What is this still here? The Mods must be all busy or something. I believe Kieron was referring to "nerf" complaints being opened in the wrong forum, general discussion is not the catch all "***** forum". Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug! Additionally with the purchase of each mug you will receive two(2) invisible Elves.
kieron	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:48:00 - [13] In the thread you mentioned, I stated, "Also, please keep posts to patch issues, not feedback about how "this patch nerfed X", as posts of this nature will cheerfully be deleted from this thread." That thread was created for the successful resolution of bugs. The content of the post is what will determine whether the post will be deleted or not. "Missiles do X damage, where before they did Y damage." would be left alone. A post like, "OMG, you nerfed missiles!!1! I can't WTFPWN 15 Eidolons with my Ibis like I used to before the changes to missiles!!!1!11" will be deleted. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
kieron	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:48:00 - [14] In the thread you mentioned, I stated, "Also, please keep posts to patch issues, not feedback about how "this patch nerfed X", as posts of this nature will cheerfully be deleted from this thread." That thread was created for the successful resolution of bugs. The content of the post is what will determine whether the post will be deleted or not. "Missiles do X damage, where before they did Y damage." would be left alone. A post like, "OMG, you nerfed missiles!!1! I can't WTFPWN 15 Eidolons with my Ibis like I used to before the changes to missiles!!!1!11" will be deleted. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Rancid Mare	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Lizardo Oh...another point. In doing this you are doing a serious disservice to CCP, because without community feedback, or community feedback that is skewed in a particular direction, they will not know that they have alienated the player base until subsrciptions fall through the floor. its a sad world we live in nowdays.... but the truth is that companys seem to think getting new customers is the be all and end all. no consideration for keeping loyal customers. methinks must be tens of tousands of new customers to be gained out there. the choice is to keep you happy (after you have played for 12 months) = hard or gain new players with lots of wiz bang = lot easier sorry dude but your satisfaction is not condusive to making mush isk in the real world. Rancid Mare of the EveMarshals. Our Webby Recruitement Videos here
Rancid Mare	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Lizardo Oh...another point. In doing this you are doing a serious disservice to CCP, because without community feedback, or community feedback that is skewed in a particular direction, they will not know that they have alienated the player base until subsrciptions fall through the floor. its a sad world we live in nowdays.... but the truth is that companys seem to think getting new customers is the be all and end all. no consideration for keeping loyal customers. methinks must be tens of tousands of new customers to be gained out there. the choice is to keep you happy (after you have played for 12 months) = hard or gain new players with lots of wiz bang = lot easier sorry dude but your satisfaction is not condusive to making mush isk in the real world. Rancid Mare of the EveMarshals. Our Webby Recruitement Videos here
Lizardo	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:52:00 - [17] Nice. But you fail to address the additional issue of your helper busily locking threads that provide an outlet for those feeling nerfed and referring them to the patch thread where you specifically say no such posts. or are we playing a version of Catch-22 here?
Lizardo	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:52:00 - [18] Nice. But you fail to address the additional issue of your helper busily locking threads that provide an outlet for those feeling nerfed and referring them to the patch thread where you specifically say no such posts. or are we playing a version of Catch-22 here?
Orestes	Posted - 2004.08.10 17:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Lizardo Nice. But you fail to address the additional issue of your helper busily locking threads that provide an outlet for those feeling nerfed and referring them to the patch thread where you specifically say no such posts. or are we playing a version of Catch-22 here? I've Pm-ed TomB moments ago. The missile 'nerf' is certainly not intended and will be fixed as soon as possible. Any threads arising on the subject until now were 100% rants. Ranting is prohibited as per the forum rules. Now, the misisle thing is going to be fixed as soon as possible. We apologise for the inconvenience this may or may not have caused (I imagine the npc pirates are rejoicing). Join the IC!
Orestes	Posted - 2004.08.10 17:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Lizardo Nice. But you fail to address the additional issue of your helper busily locking threads that provide an outlet for those feeling nerfed and referring them to the patch thread where you specifically say no such posts. or are we playing a version of Catch-22 here? I've Pm-ed TomB moments ago. The missile 'nerf' is certainly not intended and will be fixed as soon as possible. Any threads arising on the subject until now were 100% rants. Ranting is prohibited as per the forum rules. Now, the misisle thing is going to be fixed as soon as possible. We apologise for the inconvenience this may or may not have caused (I imagine the npc pirates are rejoicing). Join the IC!
Chaza Darkheart	Posted - 2004.08.10 17:08:00 - [21] Quote: its a sad world we live in nowdays.... but the truth is that companys seem to think getting new customers is the be all and end all. no consideration for keeping loyal customers. You couldn't be more right, the more overcrowded the world becomes the less anyone cares about retaining customers since there's always tons of other suckers you can bring in just long enough to **** them off too.
Chaza Darkheart	Posted - 2004.08.10 17:08:00 - [22] Quote: its a sad world we live in nowdays.... but the truth is that companys seem to think getting new customers is the be all and end all. no consideration for keeping loyal customers. You couldn't be more right, the more overcrowded the world becomes the less anyone cares about retaining customers since there's always tons of other suckers you can bring in just long enough to **** them off too.
NoNamium	Posted - 2004.08.10 17:14:00 - [23] Btw, what happened to "Tech 2 weapons will be in this patch"? that was the only thing I was looking forward to in this patch
NoNamium	Posted - 2004.08.10 17:14:00 - [24] Btw, what happened to "Tech 2 weapons will be in this patch"? that was the only thing I was looking forward to in this patch
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.10 17:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Chaza Darkheart Quote: its a sad world we live in nowdays.... but the truth is that companys seem to think getting new customers is the be all and end all. no consideration for keeping loyal customers. You couldn't be more right, the more overcrowded the world becomes the less anyone cares about retaining customers since there's always tons of other suckers you can bring in just long enough to ** them off too. come on guys i have played close to 12 months myself i am still here and proberly will be in 5 years (if eve still is) EVE however does need new customers all games do if they dont get new players they die simple as that so to me it makes sense to do alot to get new customers I do feel that CCP makes a effort to keep the existing customers happy (and i feel they do a fair job at it) granted their petition system takes to long but atleast they answer (eventuelly) there is many other games out there that does not another problem with EVE is that many of the customers dont know what will make them happy also with what 50k customers 25k might feel one way and the other 25k another you can not make everyone happy also there is the thing called word of mouth (the only way eve atm is getting new customers) if you ** enough peoble off they will tell their friends (and their friends friends) and that will kill the bad games out there EVE is not a bad game it has its problems but overall its a good game Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.10 17:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Chaza Darkheart Quote: its a sad world we live in nowdays.... but the truth is that companys seem to think getting new customers is the be all and end all. no consideration for keeping loyal customers. You couldn't be more right, the more overcrowded the world becomes the less anyone cares about retaining customers since there's always tons of other suckers you can bring in just long enough to ** them off too. come on guys i have played close to 12 months myself i am still here and proberly will be in 5 years (if eve still is) EVE however does need new customers all games do if they dont get new players they die simple as that so to me it makes sense to do alot to get new customers I do feel that CCP makes a effort to keep the existing customers happy (and i feel they do a fair job at it) granted their petition system takes to long but atleast they answer (eventuelly) there is many other games out there that does not another problem with EVE is that many of the customers dont know what will make them happy also with what 50k customers 25k might feel one way and the other 25k another you can not make everyone happy also there is the thing called word of mouth (the only way eve atm is getting new customers) if you ** enough peoble off they will tell their friends (and their friends friends) and that will kill the bad games out there EVE is not a bad game it has its problems but overall its a good game Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.08.10 18:14:00 - [27] OMG, you nerfed missiles!!1! I can't WTFPWN 15 Eidolons with my Ibis like I used to before the changes to missiles!!!1!11 :) ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.08.10 18:14:00 - [28] OMG, you nerfed missiles!!1! I can't WTFPWN 15 Eidolons with my Ibis like I used to before the changes to missiles!!!1!11 :) ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.08.10 18:19:00 - [29] Originally by: kieron A post like, "OMG, you nerfed missiles!!1! I can't WTFPWN 15 Eidolons with my Ibis like I used to before the changes to missiles!!!1!11" will be deleted. Can you also ban people from the game who talk like that in local? -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.08.10 18:19:00 - [30] Originally by: kieron A post like, "OMG, you nerfed missiles!!1! I can't WTFPWN 15 Eidolons with my Ibis like I used to before the changes to missiles!!!1!11" will be deleted. Can you also ban people from the game who talk like that in local? -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */

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