Everyone is back to missioning and that is so boring. You think people are gonna back to missioning after making incursion isk? no they will just quit.

edit: I was told people run incursions because it is so fun to do PvE in a group and not because of the ridiculously high payouts (?)

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After CCP last summer, I was done, still paid for subscriptions but then some friends said, look at this incursions are good isk, we should have done them when ccp nerf missions in the beginning. We can make isk and gate camps on alts in low sec and still have isk left over, so Eve pulled me back in.

When CCP looked at Incursions they should have looked at how they were used. New players go to HQ's and Assult fleets, why not increase those payouts, one they are more dangerous and two difficult to maintain a large fleet. These activities only increased players willing to die in thier ships and enjoy large fleet activites. I know of about seven people who went to null sec after having fun in incursions, who never thought of doing it before.

Because CCP using a whole year or half a year to make fashions for avatars was what we wanted not more ships, not more ways to exploit ship's strengths and weaknesses and kill or be killed. I am glad I can station walk and dress.

At least mining is getting better and some of those guys complaining will be able to make more mining. I want to make isk in a group. CCP why, why change that. Sleepers, Complexes they don't need groups you can use alts. I want to have fun in a fleet, making isk so I can lose more ships.

To be honest I dont know if it was a good move or not, Im not a game deisigner but all i know is me and my buddys would run incursions once week to fund our mains and not at this rate ill have to do PVE non stop to be able to afford my loses screw that id rather just get back into BF3 or something

All CCP did in this case is intervene to move the labor market in EVE from its horribly broken artificial equilibrium closer to the equilibrium we would see in a more realistic/free market - and that means you can have fun or isk but not both.
It should be a hard decision for players to choose between fun and isk income (both options should be "perfectly equal" in the player's mind) and hard decisions make for great gameplay.

Dethl0k wrote:
To be honest I dont know if it was a good move or not, Im not a game deisigner but all i know is me and my buddys would run incursions once week to fund our mains and not at this rate ill have to do PVE non stop to be able to afford my loses screw that id rather just get back into BF3 or something

so are people back to missions or are they quiting?

If they were to rebalance the whole game around this theory, Id be not letting the door hit me on the way to a game where I CAN get both.
I have a job irl thx, dont need to pay for a second one.

maybe we can finally go back to the "move lvl4s to low-sec" agenda?

What were you guys (incursion runners) doing before CCP add incursions ?

there is another question: were those people in Eve BEFORE incursion is born? If they already played Eve then why will they leave?
If those people only joined Eve to run incursions then..... noone will miss them i guess

Everyone is back to missioning and that is so boring. You are gonna lose alot of subscriptions on this move. Not even shiny pilots can find a fleet how do you think the guy in the hyperion is doin finding a fleet, you ruined the only group PVE that was halfway enjoyable. You think people are gonna back to missioning after making incursion isk? no they will just quit. you should have nerfed a little at a time but this was way to extreme. No one can find a fleet how are we supposed to keep our mains in ships if we cant make isk on our ALTS you killed it

This will force the FC to use the shinest fleets to make up for a player loss. Or the big boys will run to level 4's and give newer people a better chance of being picked. Only time will tell

People seem to be forgetting that there is an incoming nerf that's going to affect L4 missions as well.

CCP is dialing down the highsec isk fountains. This really surprises you guys?

People seem to be forgetting that there is an incoming nerf that's going to affect L4 missions as well

CCP is dialing down the highsec isk fountains. This really surprises you guys?

Go PVE somewhere where you actually have to take a risk if you want isk so badly.

To be honest I dont know if it was a good move or not, Im not a game deisigner but all i know is me and my buddys would run incursions once week to fund our mains and not at this rate ill have to do PVE non stop to be able to afford my loses screw that id rather just get back into BF3 or something

How many losses are you getting?

Move into SOV 0.0, you will get as much PVP as you can ever ask for and CAs still pull 50-60m an hour for me and im not even in the most shinny ship or duel boxing

Some pilots i know who duel box nightmares make around 75-90m isk an hour, they can do it whenever they want, no groups, no moving around the universe, run CAs for a night, pulling half a billion, PVP for two weeks, repeat

its not all that hard

The problem i have encountered with NULL is the logistics if you are not a capital pilot. yes they all say.. join us and we will help move stuff, but that doesn't really happen. I just left Nulli, and to join any fleet you need to have a fleet fit, which is understandable, but to be forced to pay 120mil for a geddon hull is crazy. I have done more PVP with the crew I fly incursions with than I have in months in null, 200 man blobs I do not consider PVP. The change to incursions means that instead of using T2 and BS for our roams we will probably start using T1 cruiser an maybe BC's.

Am I going to be the only one left playing EvE at all?

People seem to be forgetting that there is an incoming nerf that's going to affect L4 missions as well.

CCP is dialing down the highsec isk fountains. This really surprises you guys?

It was fun as long as it lasted....
I am back to lvl4's now... (and some mining)
Mutch easyer.... dont have to move long distances , wait for hours in waitingsquads
and...
lvl4's gives allmost the same isk now...

i like the part, where you say, that incursion runners pay for subscriptions.

So you're saying that the design goal of Incursions should be, "Spit out such a stupidly high amount of ISK that incursion runners don't give a **** about optimizing their ISK/hour".

If you ask me - it was ABOUT TIME !!!

Nullsec was empty of any ratters / explorers / gank targets as of incursions.

IMO this move will prevent plex prices rising due to new ISK faucet in drones and fill low and null a little more so that it isnt so horrifically empty.

I.

there is another question: were those people in Eve BEFORE incursion is born? If they already played Eve then why will they leave?
If those people only joined Eve to run incursions then..... noone will miss them i guess

What I heared is

Go and confirm it please . How many people earn those 100mil/hr ?

What I heared is, that the payout in Assault fleets is still above 100 mil/h. Stop whining

Even if the sustained income of constantly running assaults in a good fleet was over 100 mil/hour, the smaller number of sites, leading to more contesting and the time needed to assemble and maintain a 20 man fleet will most likely insure the actual isk/hr doesn't even come close to that.

you heard wrong ... a big chunk of that time is spent waiting to have a full grid of active fleet members ... then,, after running a site or 2, someone leaves and they have to spend another hour or 2, waiting to replace a few other ...

It's the same for other PvE activities in LS, NS and W-space. To do anything valuable, you need to wait for a fleet to form up. And unlike HS incursion, you can only rely on your corp mates.

In ws-space, until enough corp mates are only, you can sit at a pos, run anoms in low class system, mine or harvest cheap gas. I am guessing it is the same in NS - unless you can rat in titan, you need a fleet to run valuable plex.

wohoo finally incursion-nerf come

Dont change that anymore. High sec carebear want allways easy isk and finally now they have to risk something if they want isk

Moar low sec moar null null and moar Providence-boost :)