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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:54:00 -
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You've got to be kidding me. People still trying to figure out what is or is not a rookie?
Fast losing respect for some people who were sensible in the past who keep trying to get a definition of what a rookie is or is not.
The argument to define a rookie is sounding like this. You get caught for speeding and your argument to the judge is, "But your honor, theres no speed limit on the berm!"
The Gm has given you his answer, repeatedly. Now deal with it like a grown up.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:00:00 -
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I've been told now! 
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:05:00 -
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But your honor, unless the law says I cant go 250kpm, on the berm, at night, riding a motorcycle, with a donkey on the back, then I clearly CAN do this and should not be ticketed.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:35:00 -
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Anyone who wonders why the real world has so many laws that the lawmakers dont even know the total number doesnt have to go any further than reading these threads to understand why.
Some people need the clarity of laws ( rules ) in their lives because they dont have that bone in their head that tells them the difference between what is wrong and what is right.
Others just want to be left alone so they dont have to keep reading law after law that outlaws walking backwards, down a sidewalk, with an icecream cone in their back pocket.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:56:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Olleybear wrote:You've got to be kidding me. People still trying to figure out what is or is not a rookie?
Fast losing respect for some people who were sensible in the past who keep trying to get a definition of what a rookie is or is not.
The argument to define a rookie is sounding like this. You get caught for speeding and your argument to the judge is, "But your honor, theres no speed limit on the berm!"
The Gm has given you his answer, repeatedly. Now deal with it like a grown up. No, this is like getting caught speeding while running, because nobody's defined "driving". Messing with Rookies is the offense. We have no problem with a broad, open to interpretation definition of "messing with." It's "rookie" that has to be nailed down. We want to be able to know if shooting someone is alright with the GMs before we shoot them. If you're so clear as to what a rookie is, please define it for us.
I figure Its more like getting a ticket for being on the freeway because noone defined what a car is and the person that got the ticket claims they dont know that riding a donkey in 100kph traffic is dangerous.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:12:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
We keep running afoul of number 5. We can not define a rookie by listing examples of not-rookies.
Positively define "rookie" for me.
Why do you need to be told and others do not?
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Olleybear wrote:Why do you need to be told and others do not? Why can't you answer the question?
Why do you need the question answered for you? Why are you unable to figure it out for yourselves? Why do you need a rule ( law ) to define what is the right thing and what is wrong thing to do.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Olleybear wrote:Why do you need the question answered for you? Because the current rule doesn't allow for the distinction between rookies and non-rookies. Because as far as anyone has been able to explain, the current rule lets me gank rookies and prohibits me from ganking non-rookies (which is odd since the intention is rather the opposite). Quote:Why are you unable to figure it out for yourselves? Because the rule doesn't allow me to, which goes against the point of having the rule to begin with. Quote:Why do you need a rule ( law ) to define what is the right thing and what is wrong thing to do. So you think we should just remove the rule and allow the wholesale slaughter of rookies? Why can't you answer the question?
I never said or implied for the slaughter of rookies.
My personal definition of rookie:
1- 2 month old player or younger in hi-sec.
Feel free to pick that apart. Look at it with a maginfying glass. Figure out a way to change the meaning of the words so we have to add additional rules and spend even more time on this. Just like in RL where the laws are so numerous and convoluted that every person breaks a few laws everyday and is a criminal.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:55:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
Which is it, One or Two? What about players with long gaps between their trial and first sub? What about alts with 50 plex in their cargo?
I did that on purpose to point out exactly the route this is leading. It is never specific enough is it.
It is like telling a boy not to hit his sister. So he kicks his sister instead then complains that the rule wasnt specific enough when the parents spanks ( bans ) him.
I will ask again. Why do people need such specific rules to control their behavior.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:40:00 -
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I give up.
I too want a rule saying I cant go 250kph, at night, on the berm, while riding a motorcycle, with a donkey on the back. Otherwise I just wont know that I shoudlnt do that.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
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Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 18:57:00 -
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Hey Tippia.
What is your personal definition of rookie? Can you apply that definition fairly and equally to all situations?
Just curious what someone with better debating skills than I can come up with.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Olleybear wrote:Hey Tippia.
What is your personal definition of rookie? Can you apply that definition fairly and equally to all situations? I would say that it can't be defined other than by exposing data that shouldn't be exposed to other users (and even then, it's highly questionable), so it's a bad idea to create a rule that relies on such a definition. Instead, you create a blanket rule that protects an unquestionably objective and clear subsection of space and its inhabitants GÇö regardless of status GÇö and then improve the education of all parties about the existence and extent of this protection. This make the definition and its applicability irrelevant.
So, if I understand correctly, this would be the creation of a No-PvP zone is that protects all players when they are in it. Which is not unlike being docked in station.
Would this work to protect 'people'? Yup. Sure would.
It would create much more than just safety though, and I refuse to even talk about considering the multi-day length of this debate. lol
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:It would create much more than just safety though Such as?
Create a place where people, when war decced, can run when things get tough and still fly their shiny ships. A place where people can mine, belt rat, run missions, in 100% safety. Unless this No-PvP zone does not have belts, missions, or anomalies and the only thing a person can do is the tutorial missions, one time. Perhaps I am missing something though.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Olleybear wrote:Create a place where people, when war decced, can run when things get tough and still fly their shiny ships. GǪand do nothing, since there's nothing for them to do there that they can't do by just staying where they were and not undocking. Quote:A place where people can mine, belt rat, run missions, in 100% safety. No. We're talking about the starter systems here. Aside from possibly some veldspar (which can be removed and the rookies can get their mining on in special mining tutorial missions which, afair, are illegal to scan down), there is none of what you just listed. So yes, you missed that little detail.
So we have a system(s) that dont have anything to do except for rookie missions and we can limit that to letting them do the tutorials once, twice or even three to four times to encourage them to leave those systems as there will be nothing else for them to do.
Is there value in having preset systems where a person can run to when things get tough? Or is it more like being docked and playing station games, which I can see the two being similar from a game mechanic point of view.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
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