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Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.02.28 19:08:00 - [1] I don't know if the removal of the left "wing" is intentional, but please for the love of god, give it back. You could already hide it if you didnt want it, but i found it a gift from heaven, being able to fit ammo, modules and stuff in one click. No longer having to have the items menu open -.- So yeah, People who didnt want it could hide it already. A total removal was pointless. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Amar'u Deltmartuk	Posted - 2009.02.28 20:08:00 - [2] Edited by: Amar''u Deltmartuk on 28/02/2009 20:10:08 Originally by: Blane Xero I don't know if the removal of the left "wing" is intentional, but please for the love of god, give it back. You could already hide it if you didnt want it, but i found it a gift from heaven, being able to fit ammo, modules and stuff in one click. No longer having to have the items menu open -.- So yeah, People who didnt want it could hide it already. A total removal was pointless. I would say a good compromise would be to hide it by default. Seriously, with the left pane enabled, fitting took up the entire width of the screen for those of us playing at 1024x768 or 1152x864 Personally, I liked the old fitting screen. I don't need to be looking at a graphic of my ship in fitting when I can already look at it in dock, plus now all the labels are tiny and the fitting screen takes up 1/3 more space than before, making "show info" windows hard to look at simultaneously.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.02.28 20:28:00 - [3] Originally by: Amar'u Deltmartuk Edited by: Amar''u Deltmartuk on 28/02/2009 20:10:08 Originally by: Blane Xero I don't know if the removal of the left "wing" is intentional, but please for the love of god, give it back. You could already hide it if you didnt want it, but i found it a gift from heaven, being able to fit ammo, modules and stuff in one click. No longer having to have the items menu open -.- So yeah, People who didnt want it could hide it already. A total removal was pointless. I would say a good compromise would be to hide it by default. Seriously, with the left pane enabled, fitting took up the entire width of the screen for those of us playing at 1024x768 or 1152x864 Personally, I liked the old fitting screen. I don't need to be looking at a graphic of my ship in fitting when I can already look at it in dock, plus now all the labels are tiny and the fitting screen takes up 1/3 more space than before, making "show info" windows hard to look at simultaneously. I'd rather have the option there if people want to use it than have no option at all, any day. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
ShadowGod56	Posted - 2009.02.28 20:32:00 - [4] i like it the way it is now, it was to ****ing big before, also being able to see the ammo and moduals was more or less pointless if you ask me
Takeshi Yamato	Posted - 2009.02.28 20:34:00 - [5] I also thought the left wing of the fitting screen was not needed and took too much space.
Camerta Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.28 20:48:00 - [6] The left wing was useful for quick fitting of modules although it could have used a filter so you didn't have to scroll through the entire contents of the hanger to find the module you needed. The ammo loading was also of great use one click and all the guns were loaded rather than having to load each gun individually. The only thing missing was the available drone/cargo bay space. The fitting screen is still missing drone information. Drone range and bandwidth are important especially for tech 3 ships as they vary depending on the subsystems mounted.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.02.28 21:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Takeshi Yamato I also thought the left wing of the fitting screen was not needed and took too much space. Then all people like you would need to do is press one button and its hidden. Or people who want to use it ust need to press one button to use it. Regardless of what people think, not everyone has station cans and hides all their crap in them. The left wing of the fitting screen was extremely useful to many people, and took up less space than your average Item window does. Also one click to load all guns, fit items and what-not over right click-fit item or drag and drop 3/8 times depending on guns. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Rhohan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.28 21:42:00 - [8] I hope it is just a bug, but if not, bring it back. It was easy to hide if you didn't want to look at it.
War Porcika	Posted - 2009.02.28 21:48:00 - [9] I really like it that it's not there. But for those who love it. /I really hate it/ Maybe put it back, but it should be hide able, or completely removable.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.02.28 21:52:00 - [10] Originally by: War Porcika I really like it that it's not there. But for those who love it. /I really hate it/ Maybe put it back, but it should be hide able, or completely removable. It was hidable before, and should remain that way. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
C4rnag3 Space Pioneers Blade.	Posted - 2009.02.28 22:09:00 - [11] and plz CCP, give us a pin/unpin function like we have to all other windows. that would be awesome, thx :)
ShadowGod56	Posted - 2009.02.28 23:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Camerta The ammo loading was also of great use one click and all the guns were loaded rather than having to load each gun individually. you can already do this by stacking the guns and throwing what charge you want into the gun but i do agree some what on that little window that one was more useful then the others can easily fit it in there without adding in the whole left side thing back in.
Azuse Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.01 00:18:00 - [13] Idk why the op is complaining, the left side is quite literally your hanger except it had less controls and was less flexible. Complete and total waste of space when your hanger not only offers better control (layout, number of mods on screen, shape) but allow the use to position it to best suit their screen. -------------------------
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.03.01 00:25:00 - [14] whats up with all the ignorant "I didn't read the thread I'm just going to comment ****" posts? he said "YOU COULD ALLREADY HIDE IT" so saying it was too big is not an argument. Sorry, but it's not, you basicly sayign we should have the left side back every time you post about how it was too big. I want it back, ignoring the items window, having your dronebay and cargo open with the fitting window was genius.
ShadowGod56	Posted - 2009.03.01 00:59:00 - [15] Originally by: MotherMoon whats up with all the ignorant "I didn't read the thread I'm just going to comment ****" posts? he said "YOU COULD ALLREADY HIDE IT" so saying it was too big is not an argument. Sorry, but it's not, you basicly sayign we should have the left side back every time you post about how it was too big. I want it back, ignoring the items window, having your dronebay and cargo open with the fitting window was genius. yes i am aware you can hide it, which i always did but literally HALF of it was nothing, if it had other information like drone bandwidth and some other important things then i wouldn't care if it was back or not cause it could actually be useful.
achoura	Posted - 2009.03.01 01:03:00 - [16] Recreating something already present in the ui, then making it worse, is not genius. Quite the opposite in fact. This is why, i can only assume going with the forum feedback, it was removed. Having your hanger/cargo open next to the screen makes much more sense, at low res for screen space and at high res because those re more flexible in other possible module layouts. Another example of waste/pointlessness would be the drop down windows in the right frame. Now, if you want ship stats you open it, you don't and you close. So why then can the individual info panes be minimized? What space are you actually saving? None. Better use of this space would (imo) be removing the drop down bars and using the space saved to insert cargo and drone info at the bottom like the old screen. Minimizing those frames is purely cosmetic, like most of the initial things the fitting window had, but it's difficult to criticize (yes i can see people are still doing it) the people behind it. Ones who have taken pretty much everything said on-board the past few weeks and improved it drastically... *The EVE servers and their patches*
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.01 19:16:00 - [17] I'd like a comment on why CCP has decided to compltely remove it instead of just having t hidden by default... ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Legionos McGuiros Caldari Catch Twenty Two	Posted - 2009.03.01 19:55:00 - [18] /support ive siad the exact same thing in my thread, the removal of the left side was not needed and it was actually helpful!
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.01 20:01:00 - [19] More options and redundancy is a good thing. If it helps just a few players micromanage massive inventories or understand how to fit their ship, then it's worth it.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.03.01 20:39:00 - [20] If it's there but hidden it still updates every time you fit something to your ship which makes fitting take twice as long and makes it jerky. It takes four times the size of the items hangar to display everything (cause it only shows one row at a time), isn't nearly as tall, and can't be sorted. It was a bad idea and the fitting screen is improved now that it's gone. __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.01 22:23:00 - [21] Edited by: Blane Xero on 01/03/2009 22:23:25 Originally by: Terianna Eri If it's there but hidden it still updates every time you fit something to your ship which makes fitting take twice as long and makes it jerky. It takes four times the size of the items hangar to display everything (cause it only shows one row at a time), isn't nearly as tall, and can't be sorted. It was a bad idea and the fitting screen is improved now that it's gone. It was sorted in alphabetical order. I've always found this more efficient than any other sorting scheme. Not everyone sorts things in station cans. Not everyone is so adverse to change. And some people actually liked this because (in my opinion) The old UI is not only a stagnant piece of waste, but it looked horrible. Oh and also, if you double clicked it, it expanded to show alot more than "one line at a time". ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Alexandra Knight Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.03.02 05:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 01/03/2009 22:23:25 Originally by: Terianna Eri If it's there but hidden it still updates every time you fit something to your ship which makes fitting take twice as long and makes it jerky. It takes four times the size of the items hangar to display everything (cause it only shows one row at a time), isn't nearly as tall, and can't be sorted. It was a bad idea and the fitting screen is improved now that it's gone. It was sorted in alphabetical order. I've always found this more efficient than any other sorting scheme. Not everyone sorts things in station cans. Not everyone is so adverse to change. And some people actually liked this because (in my opinion) The old UI is not only a stagnant piece of waste, but it looked horrible. Oh and also, if you double clicked it, it expanded to show alot more than "one line at a time". As a noob, one thing that always ticked me off was having to have in excess of 3 windows open, just to fit my damn ship. So the lack of this left wing will make me sad panda.
Axon Atom	Posted - 2009.03.02 06:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Alexandra Knight Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 01/03/2009 22:23:25 Originally by: Terianna Eri If it's there but hidden it still updates every time you fit something to your ship which makes fitting take twice as long and makes it jerky. It takes four times the size of the items hangar to display everything (cause it only shows one row at a time), isn't nearly as tall, and can't be sorted. It was a bad idea and the fitting screen is improved now that it's gone. It was sorted in alphabetical order. I've always found this more efficient than any other sorting scheme. Not everyone sorts things in station cans. Not everyone is so adverse to change. And some people actually liked this because (in my opinion) The old UI is not only a stagnant piece of waste, but it looked horrible. Oh and also, if you double clicked it, it expanded to show alot more than "one line at a time". As a noob, one thing that always ticked me off was having to have in excess of 3 windows open, just to fit my damn ship. So the lack of this left wing will make me sad panda. yeah, what are they thinking? I don't get it.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.02 18:25:00 - [24] Bump. Would like a statement from CCP even if its just a "Say goodbye to it" at this point. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.03 15:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Blane Xero Bump. Would like a statement from CCP even if its just a "Say goodbye to it" at this point. Still no signs of it after this patch + no dev response about it anywhere. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Kumi Unn Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.03.03 15:33:00 - [26] Stack your info windows, The left side removal is easier in my opinion, I just drag and drop my ammo and charges in my cargo, and my drones in my dronebay, and then undock and fill my guns up with said ammo.
Exoth3rmic	Posted - 2009.03.03 15:43:00 - [27] Edited by: Exoth3rmic on 03/03/2009 15:44:00 The main problem with the left hand window at that time was that the cargo windows and drone bays required you to drag and drop ont to the title rather than the box. This was not intuitive and at the time seemed to break the auto-fill feature. If it was fixed so you could drag and drop into the main window then all for the better. The actual module window wasn't that useful to me. For those that fit ships frequently they probably keep their ammmo/modules in seperate containers in their items screen anyway. For those that fit a ship once and never look back it was of little use. With the ability to load fittings from a saved database it also loses its functionality in the long run. Implement it back by all means with the hide button, I don't think many people will use it though. The fitting window would be nice if it was balanced with info on the right and the left, it looks lopsided at the moment to me.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2009.03.03 15:50:00 - [28] but it was optional :( I liked it.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.05 01:11:00 - [29] Still nothing; Also still a distinct lack of drone bandwidth info. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.03.05 01:21:00 - [30] as a pilot that has a full hanger (yes it complains stating I cant have anymore items) I dont find the left at all particuarly any more useful than the chat window layout. The icons are massive the is no Iconless type, there is no sort options and no filtering options. Give the modules 'slot filters' and default 'show *****ble only' with metalevel and group sort. The drone section needs to have bandwidth listed as well. ============= Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.05 01:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Nova Fox as a pilot that has a full hanger (yes it complains stating I cant have anymore items) I dont find the left at all particuarly any more useful than the chat window layout. The icons are massive the is no Iconless type, there is no sort options and no filtering options. Give the modules 'slot filters' and default 'show ***ble only' with metalevel and group sort. The drone section needs to have bandwidth listed as well. This. Also, *** is censored? o.o ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.03.05 01:47:00 - [32] Edited by: Nova Fox on 05/03/2009 01:47:22 *****ble... wow... fit + table = censored... ============= Pre Order your Sisters of Eve ship today
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.05 03:27:00 - [33] ò Make the left wing hidden by default. ò Rename "Personal Ship Modules" to "Modules, Rigs & Subsystems." ò Rename "Personal Module Charges" to "Ammunition, Drones & Scripts." ò Give the Modules, Rigs & Subsystems section Slot Filters, in the form of icons in the title (Each icon relating to the slot icon) and a last one for "All" ò Make them expand fully on one click (Instead of double click, since some people didnt quite wrap their head around that) ò Give the drones section a Total m¦ / used m¦ / Bandwidth count in the title. ò Give the cargohold a total m¦ / used m¦ in the title. ò Make it possible to have two sub-windows open at once, each taking up half the space (This allows easy loading/unloading of drones). I really believe the only window you should need to have open to fit a ship is the fitting window. You should not have to drag and drop / right click - fit every time you want to fit a module to a ship, or load ammo into a gun. You should not have to have the Items, Drone window and the Cargohold windows all open just to fit a new ship. Fittings window needs to do what the name implies. Not be a "Fitting Accessory" ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Smurfprime	Posted - 2009.03.05 03:40:00 - [34] Edited by: Smurfprime on 05/03/2009 03:45:21 The left panel had very little to over other than the buttons to save fittings, which they moved. You can fit your ship by drag and drop out of your hangar or station container like you did before, so the left panel is essentially useless and therefore a waste of time to code. Sorting and search functions have no place in the fitting screen. So to answer the question, it is just more sh*t to code and it is not particularly useful, so they got rid of it.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.05 03:47:00 - [35] Originally by: Smurfprime Edited by: Smurfprime on 05/03/2009 03:45:21 The left panel had very little to over other than the buttons to save fittings, which they moved. You can fit your ship by drag and drop out of your hangar or station container like you did before, so the left panel is essentially useless and therefore a waste of time to code. Sorting and search functions have no place in the fitting screen. So to answer the question, it is just more sh*t to code and it is not particularly useful, so they got rid of it. I found it useful. I mean, there's probably 20 ways I can order something off the market, but what's wrong with that? Redundancy is worth it. If just a dozen players find it easier to understand the game and stay, adding a feature back that they've ALREADY coded is perfectly worth it.
Schmell	Posted - 2009.03.05 05:17:00 - [36] YES, YES! Totally agreed with OP. /signed, whatewer you want. That was incredibly good feature. PS. Somebody can explain me, why modules fitted by drag and drop, fit offlined? Its a bug or a secret plan how to get people nuts?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.05 05:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Schmell YES, YES! Totally agreed with OP. /signed, whatewer you want. That was incredibly good feature. PS. Somebody can explain me, why modules fitted by drag and drop, fit offlined? Its a bug or a secret plan how to get people nuts? Bug. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008

CCP Fendahl	Posted - 2009.03.05 10:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Blane Xero I don't know if the removal of the left "wing" is intentional, but please for the love of god, give it back. You could already hide it if you didnt want it, but i found it a gift from heaven, being able to fit ammo, modules and stuff in one click. No longer having to have the items menu open -.- We decided to disable the item selection panel because the implementation was nowhere close to our design. In it's current state we simply don't feel the item selection panel is good enough. As we were running out of time to finish up the fitting screen in time for Apocrypha, we felt that resolving the many usability issues with the rest of the fitting screen was more important that trying to cram in more buggy features. The current plan is to continue improving the fitting screen for the Apocrypha point releases. Depending on how much time we get allocated, and the priorities of the different improvements, we may revisit the item selection panel.

Space Wanderer	Posted - 2009.03.05 10:59:00 - [39] Originally by: CCP Fendahl As we were running out of time to finish up the fitting screen in time for Apocrypha, we felt that resolving the many usability issues with the rest of the fitting screen was more important that trying to cram in more buggy features. I can sympathyze with that. Though I think that at least showing drone BW is someting sorely needed.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.03.05 11:04:00 - [40] Edited by: MotherMoon on 05/03/2009 11:07:54 [ Originally by: CCP Fendahl Originally by: Blane Xero I don't know if the removal of the left "wing" is intentional, but please for the love of god, give it back. You could already hide it if you didnt want it, but i found it a gift from heaven, being able to fit ammo, modules and stuff in one click. No longer having to have the items menu open -.- We decided to disable the item selection panel because the implementation was nowhere close to our design. In it's current state we simply don't feel the item selection panel is good enough. As we were running out of time to finish up the fitting screen in time for Apocrypha, we felt that resolving the many usability issues with the rest of the fitting screen was more important that trying to cram in more buggy features. The current plan is to continue improving the fitting screen for the Apocrypha point releases. Depending on how much time we get allocated, and the priorities of the different improvements, we may revisit the item selection panel. but it allready worked just fine fitting ammo and drones was easier than ever before, no more looking for ammo, it was all in one place. IT's not like it didn't work. To fit a ship you should have the option to have one window open, and only one window. Can't you just tweak the code a bit, and re-release it with only cargo/dronebay/ammo? please? PLEEEASE.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.05 11:09:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Fendahl Originally by: Blane Xero I don't know if the removal of the left "wing" is intentional, but please for the love of god, give it back. You could already hide it if you didnt want it, but i found it a gift from heaven, being able to fit ammo, modules and stuff in one click. No longer having to have the items menu open -.- We decided to disable the item selection panel because the implementation was nowhere close to our design. In it's current state we simply don't feel the item selection panel is good enough. As we were running out of time to finish up the fitting screen in time for Apocrypha, we felt that resolving the many usability issues with the rest of the fitting screen was more important that trying to cram in more buggy features. The current plan is to continue improving the fitting screen for the Apocrypha point releases. Depending on how much time we get allocated, and the priorities of the different improvements, we may revisit the item selection panel. I have no problem with this. I was just a little "narked" about the almost silent removal of it. Its one of the top things i would love to see come in the future though, as would many people. I understand that in the form we had (briefly) it was alot further behind the rest of the screen in terms of development i guess, but hey, the rest of the stuff already existed in some form or another, minus the pretty ship centre piece. This is a new thing and if it takes time to do it right, take the time to do it right ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Gouldan Harbinger	Posted - 2009.03.05 11:17:00 - [42] i personally liked the left side, it did make for easy fitting. as for the being too big arguement, i dissagree. its much smaller than the items hangar. not only that, u could set the fitting sheet up to cover the top of your screen, and all you needed to fill the bottom of the screen was the market window. worked a treat for me, buy and fit without flicking through multiple windows. I do agree that it lacked a sorting feature the items hangar had, but i'm sure that could be implimented before release. Also as for the drone info, not too long ago they didn't even have the size of your drone bay there and its been added, so be patient. and yes, its obviously not for everyone so it should be hidable. my vote is bring it back
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.06 09:51:00 - [43] bump to stop dupe threads. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008

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