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Mr Chili Palmer
Templar Corps
Army of Dark Shadows
45
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Posted - 2012.04.26 09:30:00 -
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As above i belive i am coming close to been able to run some lvl4 missions, what boat is suitable for this from the caldari shipyards? i am thinking a Raven
thanks |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
43
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Posted - 2012.04.26 09:35:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:As above i belive i am coming close to been able to run some lvl4 missions, what boat is suitable for this from the caldari shipyards? i am thinking a Raven
thanks
Raven, Drake (slow, but possible), Navy Scorpion, Navy Raven and your best bet: A mission Tengu.
Besides the point that Tengus are expensive, they have many advantages over the caldri battleship lineup, You can train fast for them, you can do high damage in a fast ship and can get very tanky.
I still would suggest a Raven first, except you have corp support, than go directly for the Tengu by all means. At least if you want to stick with Caldari. Crosstraining for a mael/mach or some lasers boats is still not unreasonable ;-) |
Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc
82
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Posted - 2012.04.26 09:35:00 -
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You thunk rite !! |
Alec Enderas
14th Legion
Sanctuary Pact
6
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Posted - 2012.04.26 09:35:00 -
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how about this one?
http://school.discoveryeducation.com/clipart/images/sm-boat.gif
Now seriously - go for the raven, then the caldari navy version of it .....or the tengu, if you have / get enough ISK together. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:45:00 -
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Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked. |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:10:00 -
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This. The Raven for sure.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
443
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:39:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked.
For missions I actually agree. The Nighthawk is in no way superior to the Tengu on paper but flying it in Serp and Gur missions makes me happy.
However, the Tengu is far and away better for other things, so it's really hard for me to recommend anyone else train CSs. |
Kalli Brixzat
13
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Posted - 2012.04.26 16:45:00 -
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Any BS works. Drake can tank it, but takes too long to spank it  . Tengu gives you the best combination of gank/tank. Golem for OMGWTFLOLITDIED + loot/salvage as you go. |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.04.26 17:36:00 -
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Kalli Brixzat wrote:A Golem for OMGWTFLOLITDIED + loot/salvage as you go. This made me lolered outloud!
I didnt even bother with tractors or salvagers in the highs on the golem so I can fit four navy bcus!
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stoicfaux
980
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Posted - 2012.04.26 18:37:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked.
A fraction of the price? Assuming you use the same modules on both (i.e. an active tank, max gank setup,) according to pyfa: Tengu - 1.3B isk. Nighthawk - 1.1B isk.
Jita sell prices for a Tengu hull + subsystems: 584M isk. Nighthawk hull: 243M isk.
Not sure that I would call a 250M difference significant given the Tengu's better performance and faster training.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Elian Troller
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 00:08:00 -
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Can one run L4 missions on a Legion? |
Lady Naween
Good Vs. Neutral
Stop Exploding You Cowards
19
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Posted - 2012.04.27 00:16:00 -
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Elian Troller wrote:Can one run L4 missions on a Legion?
Can? Yes, is it all that good? Nope, it really lacks the range to be truly competitive with the battleships.
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:26:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked. A fraction of the price? Assuming you use the same modules on both (i.e. an active tank, max gank setup,) according to pyfa: Tengu - 1.3B isk. Nighthawk - 1.1B isk. Jita sell prices for a Tengu hull + subsystems: 584M isk. Nighthawk hull: 243M isk. Not sure that I would call a 250M difference significant given the Tengu's better performance and faster training.
The difference is you do not need faction gear on the nighthawk to achieve a superior tank to a faction fitted tengu, and if the nighthawk gets webbed it really doesnt care, while the tengu becomes highly vulnerable if webbed. |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:04:00 -
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Tengu |
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:18:00 -
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Performance --------SP required:
Tengu : 8/10 -------- 5/10
Drake : 3/10 -------- 4/10
Nighthawk : 6/10 -------- 9/10
Raven : 5/10 -------- 7/10
Navy Raven : 7/10 -------- 7/10
Golem :8/10 -------- 9/10 |
Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:20:00 -
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Navy Raven + Deadspace Shieldboost = solid mission boat.
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Ishanmae
Binding Energy
6
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:45:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:Performance --------SP required:
Tengu : 8/10 -------- 5/10
Drake : 3/10 -------- 4/10
Nighthawk : 6/10 -------- 9/10
Raven : 5/10 -------- 7/10
Navy Raven : 7/10 -------- 7/10
Golem :8/10 -------- 9/10
Nice list, but you should factor in the price element....
Tengu only performs that well with faction and deadspace mods...
You can have a full T2 Nighthawk (including rigs) for about 450M.
Thus why I it is my ship of choice, despite being more skill intensive and not performing as well as a Tengu... I'm not lacking in skills, but in playtime to make the cash for the shinies 
It's down to a matter of balance and personal preference in the end! |
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:11:00 -
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Sure a NH will get a nice cheap tank and is a good ship for PvE. I have Command ship V aswell and use it in 0.0, but it takes ages to skill those at the Moment.
Since CCP decided to get rid of some requirements soonGäó, the NH will be a viable option for PvE, even for newer players with less than 30 mil SP.
o/ |
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
105
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:14:00 -
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Wish people would stop saying a tengu is vulnerable when webbed, the standard mission tengu has no problem being webbed, double and tripple webbed. Sure your shields will drop down but with the ease you can kill webbers you are soon moving again and can recover. |
Ishanmae
Binding Energy
7
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:18:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked. A fraction of the price? Assuming you use the same modules on both (i.e. an active tank, max gank setup,) according to pyfa: Tengu - 1.3B isk. Nighthawk - 1.1B isk. Jita sell prices for a Tengu hull + subsystems: 584M isk. Nighthawk hull: 243M isk. Not sure that I would call a 250M difference significant given the Tengu's better performance and faster training.
Sure, if you use the same mods...
But fitting T2 only makes the Nighthawk perfectly viable for any L4, while the Tengu needs the faction and deadspace mods to perform properly. |
Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
6
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:33:00 -
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Mammoth. It can carry the @%@!^& out of that cargo.
Oh you meant level 4 security missions... never mind. |
colonel kurz
New Rome corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:56:00 -
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I think the Rattlesnake could be a very good "definitive" ship for mission running if you are a "clean the whole room" kind of mission runner (if you instead prefer rushing missions to maximize ISK per hour ratio, then Tengu is the only real way you have to go)
Bear in mind that a rattlesnake could be your lvl 4 mission runner only provided that you:
- did not choose the gunnery path
- have patience (needs good skills in drones, missiles and shield tanking, plus lvl 4 gallente BS)
- plan to save quite some ISK (it's quite costly, even if it is by far the less priced pirate faction ship)
- do not plan to rush every mission you can rush, just dropping the ones you can't
Rattlesnake has three big advantages (provided that you do not commit the common error to overtank it):
FIRST: it's a "natural tank" (great recharge and resist) and this means two things:
1) you are not in need to warp out fast when you mess up with aggro and/or have some nasty frigate scrambling on you;
2) you can fit it for gank without having as a result a "glass cannon" (with its 6 lowslots, a rattlesnake lets you fit it for a decent gank - three BCU - and still you have three slots free for utility devices)
SECOND: it has enough midslots to fit a very solid passive or active tank + TWO target painters (very important to make quick work of cruisers)
THIRD: drones + cruise missiles (thech II or faction) are a very handy wapon mix: easy to use to snipe down a lot of NPC before they event start hitting you seriously + you can change damage type with missiles. For friggies you just let them buzzing around you while you hit the bigger things (a good tank helps once more here) then you just switch to light drones and they will make quick work of those annoying bees.
The only real disadvantage is the Rattler is slow as hell, this means that when you have to travel in missions, you waste a lot of time (well, you can fit an afterburner but personally I'd keep that midslot for something else).
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before you can afford a rattler (or in case you do not like that "kind" of mission style), I'd suggest you to take the good old "caldari missileboat BS progression", that is
- raven (average active tank, enough gank, low price)
- navy scorp (good active or passive tank, bad gank, lower price than navy raven)
- navy raven (enough active tank, really good gank, quite costly price)
the alternative is:
wanna go cheap, quite safe but awfully slooooow in missioning: Drake
wanna rush through mission, spending some ISK, having a lot of fun but risking to cry a lot if you commit some error with aggro: Tengu
wanna spend a lot of ISK, stay enough safe and being able to loot and salvage during the missions: torp Golem with three target painters and active pulse tank |
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:03:00 -
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Rattlesnake requires a TON of Skills and even then its quite slow. It's also a drone boat, so you really need Gal BS V, Sentries and whatnot....
Expensive Tengu you say?
Example against Guri:
[Tengu, As cheap as ...]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
add some +3% imps and have fun...
also use mission spec hardeners... |
colonel kurz
New Rome corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:18:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:Rattlesnake requires a TON of Skills and even then its quite slow. It's also a drone boat, so you really need Gal BS V, Sentries and whatnot....
Expensive Tengu you say?
Example against Guri:
[Tengu, As cheap as ...]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
add some +3% imps and have fun...
also use mission spec hardeners...
Omg, here we are with te usual "my A is better than your B" forum PVPer.
Tengu and Rattlesnake are different kind of ships suitable for different kind of missions: My main uses both and I know both ships have their pro and conts.
But, you see: the point of giving an advice, in my opinion, is stressing what a ship can do better and what can do worse not to determine which ship "is absolutely the best lvl 4 mission runner". |
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:26:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:As above i belive i am coming close to been able to run some lvl4 missions, what boat is suitable for this from the caldari shipyards? i am thinking a Raven
thanks
No offense, but I only read the thread and regarding to the question asked, a RS far away from what the dude will be able to fly properly, within the next 6 months.
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Herr Ronin
ISN - Management
ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
28
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:35:00 -
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Rattlesnake is a good choice, But you need T2 Sentrys! :P |
colonel kurz
New Rome corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:38:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:As above i belive i am coming close to been able to run some lvl4 missions, what boat is suitable for this from the caldari shipyards? i am thinking a Raven
thanks No offense, but I only read the thread and regarding to the question asked, a RS far away from what the dude will be able to fly properly, within the next 6 months.
of course no offense, madam (or sir).
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
105
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:41:00 -
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Tenris Anis wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:As above i belive i am coming close to been able to run some lvl4 missions, what boat is suitable for this from the caldari shipyards? i am thinking a Raven
thanks Raven, Drake (slow, but possible), Navy Scorpion, Navy Raven and your best bet: A mission Tengu. Besides the point that Tengus are expensive, they have many advantages over the caldri battleship lineup, You can train fast for them, you can do high damage in a fast ship and can get very tanky. I still would suggest a Raven first, except you have corp support, than go directly for the Tengu by all means. At least if you want to stick with Caldari. Crosstraining for a mael/mach or some lasers boats is still not unreasonable ;-)
I have run many level 4 with a standard raven It gets way easier once you get T2 missiles/torps.
Make sure you have all your missile support skills up though, if you try to mission in a raven to soon before getting the right skills you will lose many ships. A well fit well skilled raven can burn through l4 missions very fast. But a maxed out drake will have a better chance than a minimal skilled raven. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
330
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:07:00 -
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Why, the good ship 'Friendship', of course! |
BKM Industries
Mercenaries 4 Hire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 19:02:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:As above i belive i am coming close to been able to run some lvl4 missions, what boat is suitable for this from the caldari shipyards? i am thinking a Raven
thanks
No matter what one you pick make sure you can fit it proper. IE: dont put med guns on a BS.
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