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Arek Black
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.04 21:38:00 -
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So I've been slowly building skills with the goal of being able to solo L4's in a domi (currently soloing L3s in a Myrm.) I'm a couple days away from being able to fly one with a T2 tank and T2 lights/mediums. T2 heavies and sentries however are going to take me much longer to get to (roughly a month each).
Is it possible to complete L4 missions solo with just T1 sentries/heavies while I work on getting the drone skills (or swap over to a drake/raven setup, 95% of the drone skill points I've got right now are required for a L4 raven) or am I going to be unable to break some of the harder BS tanks?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 21:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Arek Black
Is it possible to complete L4 missions solo with just T1 sentries/heavies
Yes, it's possible — it just takes longer. With some enemies (the boss of Vengeance comes to mind — can't remember the name), it will take a lot longer unless you back the drones up with some additional firepower.
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Lucia Wilber
Cupcake Brigade
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Posted - 2009.03.04 22:26:00 -
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T2 drones are a must unless you enjoy frustration.
On paper, they do about 25% more damage than T1s, but when you factor in the fact that they're using turrets and how your drone skills affect their accuracy as well as damage, it's closer to 100% more.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.03.04 22:27:00 -
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Rachen Mysuna? I've heard stories about his tank.
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Arek Black
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.04 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lucia Wilber
T2 drones are a must unless you enjoy frustration.
On paper, they do about 25% more damage than T1s, but when you factor in the fact that they're using turrets and how your drone skills affect their accuracy as well as damage, it's closer to 100% more.
Well T2 is the goal, I'm just wondering if it's even worth doing L4s in a domi without them or just sticking to T3's that I can pretty easily steamroll in a Myrm.
Does seem kinda odd though, I could skill for a raven from scratch (minus the drones) in less time then it would take me to go from T1->T2 Sentries and Heavies.
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Xorxarle
DEATHFUNK
Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 22:52:00 -
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you can do the missions with t1 heavies and sentries, just train up those to t2 while you are making the isk, then move on to getting an ishtar.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.05 01:58:00 -
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T1 heavies/sentries work ok, just takes a little longer. Hell I used to do l4s in a myrm with a flight of T2 mediums.
T1 sentries will also get you used to using them without costing a fortune when you get it wrong & lose one or two. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.03.05 02:50:00 -
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T2 lights are a watershed. I run with T1 sentries on a dominix alt. She's now doing almost as much damage as my T2 Drake.
One thing I've found however is that it's very hard to tank and use sentries. Some missions give you that vital opening range (Massive Attack, Infiltrated Outposts), while others dump you right next to the NPCs where sentries are useless (Vengeance).
The toughest tank I've faced so far on my own was Harbako Moon (boss in the Angel Cartel version of Vengeance). Either my Drake or sentry Domi take about five days to kill him, but together they take him down in a couple of minutes.
I would go for T2 sentries first.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.05 05:25:00 -
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I tossed together a domi for missioning last night for ****s and giggles. Didn't like it much. The setup I used was all drones with a pair of link augmenters in the highs, 2 salvagers and 2 tractors. Everything else was tank and a target painter for pulling aggro. I hated it. It was unbearably slow due to poor dps. It did however have plenty of tank and allowed me to salvage as I went.
My drone skills are likely near yours given that I have t2 light and mediums but very minimal skills in heavies and sentries. I also have gallente BS4 You can of course chug along with it but I recommend supplementing your drones with railguns or something.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.03.05 06:55:00 -
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I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, having recently moved into a dominix, being able to field T2 mediums but only T1 sentries and heavies.
I've completed quite a few heavy combat missions (4 hour+ for bonus) and mostly the drones (T1 ogres seem to be the most effective against the large stuff but they're really slow) have been able to take out pretty much everthing cruiser and above.
However there have been a couple of instances where the drones were simply unable to break a battleship's tank and I had to resort to fitting guns with my appalling gunnery skills. I ended up fitting an afterburner, webifier and medium (blush) blasters with antimatter ammo. AB let me slowly chase down the rat (but not cap stably so there was some LAR juggling), webifier let me hold it (cap stable) and the blasters & ogres let me break its tank pretty quickly.
Your tank is strong but it isn't invulnerable, I had a lot of cap problems when I first started out and had to do a ridiculous amount of warping back to station to recharge.
Several times I ended up killing things so slowly that I missed the mission's fast completion bonus, something that I was almost completely unfamiliar with having been doing level 3's in a drone Vexor...
So if you have large blocks of play time, are ok with killing things really slowly and willing for your fit to look like you're ******ed (assuming you also have lousy gunnery skills) then it seems to be doable.
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Veritas Falx
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:48:00 -
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I don't understand how it takes you 4 hous to do a mission. I have bad drone skills, 1.6mil, but I am too lazy to fly anything else. I have never had a mission take more than about 75 minutes in my domi and I fly level 4s everyday. On top of that I am usually reading or doing homework so my reaction time is kinda bad. If you are having your ogres chase down frigates I guess it could take 4 hours. Usually I have my hammerhead II's take out everything smaller than a BS, and finish off the BS's that I didn't snipe with Wardens with Ogres.
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Jinn Bloodfire
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Posted - 2009.03.05 08:06:00 -
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Dominix is a slow mission runner when you have bad skills. If you dedicate a few months to getting your mission running skills high, you'll see it's both a nice tank and a fast mission runner. Here's the fit I use successfully:
Low:
4 T2 Hardeners
2 T2 Magnetic Field Stabilizer
1 Amarr Navy Large Armor Repairer
Mid:
2 T2 Cap Recharger
1 Drone Nav Computer
2 Omnidirectional Tracking Link
High:
5 350mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Iridium for long range, Plutonium short)
1 Drone Link Augmentor
Rigs:
2 Capacitor Control Circuit
1 Auxiliary Nano Pump
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Tamahra
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.05 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 05/03/2009 10:00:23
Originally by: Lucia Wilber
T2 drones are a must unless you enjoy frustration.
On paper, they do about 25% more damage than T1s, but when you factor in the fact that they're using turrets and how your drone skills affect their accuracy as well as damage, it's closer to 100% more.
your first statement is far from being true. The Domi works quite well in Lvl IV Missions with T1 drones.
Your 2nd statement is correct, but the ultimate goal for a domi mission runner is of course t2 drones for dmg output anyways, but this is a long way to go.
Until then, one will do already pretty good in a domi as well.
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Tamahra
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.05 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tamahra on 05/03/2009 10:11:42
Edited by: Tamahra on 05/03/2009 10:10:17
Edited by: Tamahra on 05/03/2009 10:09:28
Originally by: Arek Black
Originally by: Lucia Wilber
T2 drones are a must unless you enjoy frustration.
On paper, they do about 25% more damage than T1s, but when you factor in the fact that they're using turrets and how your drone skills affect their accuracy as well as damage, it's closer to 100% more.
Well T2 is the goal, I'm just wondering if it's even worth doing L4s in a domi without them or just sticking to T3's that I can pretty easily steamroll in a Myrm.
Does seem kinda odd though, I could skill for a raven from scratch (minus the drones) in less time then it would take me to go from T1->T2 Sentries and Heavies.
I started out with gallente, but i trained only drones and hull and armor stuff, and almost completely left out railgun/blaster skills (i only trained the most basic and necessary gunnery skills just to put those guns on my ship for a little extra pew pew), and i was doing very ok with my domi, even in my megathron.
then i fully switched to shield skills and missile skills and when they were good enough i bought a caldary navy raven right away and skipped the normal raven. now my cnr is a monster for missions since i have a pretty high drone dmg output from my time as gallente, combined with uber missile dmg. then i began to cross-train weapon upgrades and advanced weapon upgrades for my goal, the golem. when these are done, i wont get a golem right away though, since i still need caldari battleship lvl 5.
therefore soon enough i will be switching back to training gunnery skills again to making me a megathron navy issue mission monster. My weapon upgrades and advanced weapon upgrades skill will help me there to fit all the big railgunz or blasterz.
just because i like flying different mission monsters.
and some time in the future i will be flying both the caldari and the gallente marauders.
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GoingOffRoading
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: GoingOffRoading on 05/03/2009 17:45:27
You def don't need tech 2 stuff to run lvl 4 missions...
I was running lvl 4 with 4mil SP in a Megathron... 425mm Prototypes, T1 hardners, repair, etc
It was a ***** to run missions.
T2 stuff makes it go WAY faster.
I haven't tried it but a Domi with a web, blasters and drones (assuming you have some skils) is not a bad way to go
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The Clint
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:15:00 -
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Domi is a bad idea with blasters as it's too slow. Rails are much better for distant targets while you can handle small, close targets with your light drones. I've tried using a webber, then I substituted a target painter, but neither are much good on a Domi.
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Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:00:00 -
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Sentry Damage Augmenter
Sentry Damage Augmenter
Sentry Damage Augmenter
Sentry Damage Augmenter
Sentry Damage Augmenter
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Item Database
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Nikea Tiber
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.06 00:29:00 -
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[Dominix, pve. 5x350rails, 3x magstab]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor XXX Hardener II
Armor XXX Hardener II
Armor XXX Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Thorium Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Thorium Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Thorium Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Thorium Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Thorium Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I
Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Sentry Damage Augmentor I
[empty rig slot]
Garde I x5
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The above setup should do just fine. Add some light drones for frigates.
Train for sentries over heavies for PVE, with the tracking links gardes track surprisingly well and you don't have to worry about transit time.
Running a mission using drones as your only source of damage is frustrating, as you're dps will barely overcome npc rep. As long as you don't aggro the whole pocket you should be fine.
One of the better cheap mission ships out there, to be sure.
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Ratprincess
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Posted - 2009.03.07 12:56:00 -
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I currently run level 4 missions in a Dominix using drones as my only source of damage. It can be done with T1 heavies/Sentries, but it can be painfully slow at times. I've not yet run into anything who's tank that I could not break given enough time. Training up to T2 heavies/sentries will still make a considerable difference.
In addition to training your supporting drone skills, don't forget to train your Gallente Battleship skills up higher (great drone bonus!)
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Reverend Locke
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Posted - 2009.03.07 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Reverend Locke on 07/03/2009 13:46:30
Are T2 Heavies/Sentries nice to have? Absolutely. Lots of damage and what-not.
Are they absolutely necessary to solo Lvl4s? NO.
I've been doing Lvl4 missions for the better part of four months now, and I'm still using T1 Sentries (I don't bother with T1 Heavies), and T2 Mediums/Scouts. With five guns on my Domi, and a Sentry Damage rig, I can kill everything but the occasional named BS, which I've only had to encounter about 5 times in all the missions I've run. In those cases, I just ask local for help breaking the boss-man's tank, and give a reward to the guy who helped.
Personally, I'd rather focus on getting T2 reppers and T2 Hardeners first (about 11 hours away from T2 LARs), since the skills required to get T2 Heavies and Sentries take freakin' forever. Nice long-term goal, though.
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Ashurn
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:28:00 -
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So, even with 5 guns, 3 Mag Stabs, 2 Sentry Damage rigs with 5 Sentry Drones, the Vengeance named rat, Rachen Mysuna's tank is still unbreakable if we're using T1 Sentry drones?
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Meldgaard
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.03.08 11:47:00 -
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Before i got T2 drones i did missions with a setup like this:
[Dominix, old l4 setup vs EM and Term]
Damage Control II
Armor EM Hardener I
Armor EM Hardener I
Armor Thermic Hardener I
Armor Thermic Hardener I
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre I x5
Hammerhead I x5
Bouncer I x5
It's good for simi afk missioning as it can perma run its two LAR.
But i did not get a mission where there was a tank i could not break.
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