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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.03.05 00:26:00 - [1] I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec watching ships pass by just for fun. I am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig. Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag. What happened to ships feeling massive? Frigates feel small and light, battleships feel (more) heavy and battlecruisers feel like big cruisers. Cruisers feel like paper. Can this be fixed? www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
Atreus Tac Quatidion Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.03.05 00:28:00 - [2] not just cruisers im afraid. agility got a boost and scan res didnt using advanced maths some integration and crap i come to the belief that it now makes no sense. __________________________________________________________ -Cheers- Atreus Tac
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.03.05 00:31:00 - [3] please crying about it on here isnt going to help you , they fitted and adapted there ship to warp as fast as possible, if you actually caught one you find there paper thin because they have sacrifised tank for this. Heard stealth bombers are rather quick locking speeds This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.03.05 00:32:00 - [4] It's sad to see Cruisers warping off before even Interceptors can get a lock on them. The only reliable way to catch sub-BC ships nowadays is with bubbles out in 0.0 ...and even then they can just burn back to the gate - Infectious -
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.03.05 00:32:00 - [5] this is good news really it means that innocent traveleers are having greater chance to make way instead of destroy by pirates Also, I believe that you should join Rancer Defence Force. It's cool. Thanks leaving eve!
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.05 01:07:00 - [6] cruisers will always be cruisers why do you want them to be crusiers whatever they are?
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2009.03.05 01:16:00 - [7] I agree. I can't believe they over looked this during the nanonerv. In before Ralara.
MenanceWhite Amarr SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.03.05 01:23:00 - [8] RSBd heavydictors. Changes were to promote TEAMWORK!! --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.03.05 02:20:00 - [9] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 05/03/2009 02:26:45 Rawr Cristina speaks the truth, cruisers of a certain type that are alligned to it's destination with NO MODIFIERS OF ANY KIND are invulnerable to locking as soon as they uncloak as they get into warp so fast, I've been in a sensor booster interceptor and missed a basilisk once, got a lot of stick for it despite explaining It instawarped. My buddies caught it eventually, it had no nano mods/rigs of any kind. As Cristina says, you partly have to allow for lag too, I know I've been right before someone before and was sure to get them only to have the gate delay me.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.05 02:28:00 - [10] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 05/03/2009 02:30:06 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec... Found your problem right there. This is a game that requires you to earn your kills, adapt, and strategize team-play. No need to thank me. My advice is free.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.03.05 02:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 05/03/2009 02:53:14 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec... Found your problem right there. This is a game that requires you to earn your kills, adapt, and strategize team-play. No need to thank me. My advice is free. Once upon time you had to earn your safety. Fortunately for most, PvP in EVE is completely consensual to anyone with half a clue. Since WTZ came to be the only ship I've ever lost to a gatecamp was a Shuttle. And that was to Smartbombs. In the same timeframe I've flown ships of all sizes through both low-sec and 0.0, including a Freighter which I brought back from depths of Curse with nothing but a trial alt for protection. And I'm just a lil' Caldari nub. So don't give me that. - Infectious -
UMEE	Posted - 2009.03.05 03:22:00 - [12] Edited by: UMEE on 05/03/2009 03:23:12 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec watching ships pass by just for fun. I am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig. Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag. What happened to ships feeling massive? Frigates feel small and light, battleships feel (more) heavy and battlecruisers feel like big cruisers. Cruisers feel like paper. Can this be fixed? i love my vexor's/ishtar's agility. plz dont change =) thats why we fly cruisers.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.05 05:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Armoured C please crying about it on here isnt going to help you , they fitted and adapted there ship to warp as fast as possible, if you actually caught one you find there paper thin because they have sacrifised tank for this. Heard stealth bombers are rather quick locking speeds No. CCP boosted agility. Go forum battle elsewhere. --
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.05 06:22:00 - [14] Well, having never flown a Space Cruiser in the year 23,000AD, I'm not entirely sure what they should feel like. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Grunanca Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.03.05 07:06:00 - [15] I use a dual sensor boosted Broadsword and got no trouble catching all cruisers but stabbers really. This requires me to hold down control and have the mouse over the spot in the overview where i know the cruiser will show up. I do however live close to the server (can make a little difference) and got a computer which rarely lags in EVE. I do however agree with the rest here that the new align times are completely crap. A ship should be able to catch a tanked ship of own size without a sensor booster like in the old days.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.05 07:09:00 - [16] A 1600 thorax takes over 5 seconds to warp unless fitted for agility (which would be a stupid fit), so your math is off. And for your "Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag." If you (or any of your friends) tackling intie is NOT capable of catching a cruiser then blame yourself, not the game. I have NO problems catching small stuff in my Stiletto so I guess it comes down to not being stupid and actually paying attention. Self-proclaimed idiot
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2009.03.05 07:14:00 - [17] a heavy dictor without the focusing script ? I mean 30 km 1 point bubble in lowsec, enough to lock the cruiser ... ok the field generator might not work in lowsec without focusing script, but I never tried ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Shadowsword Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.05 07:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa II am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig. Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag. Do you think blatant exagerations are helping your credibility? ------------------------------------------
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.05 07:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Siigari Kitawa II am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig. Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag. Do you think blatant exagerations are helping your credibility? The OP has credibility? Self-proclaimed idiot
Grunanca Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.03.05 07:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Hugh Ruka a heavy dictor without the focusing script ? I mean 30 km 1 point bubble in lowsec, enough to lock the cruiser ... ok the field generator might not work in lowsec without focusing script, but I never tried ... Bubbles dont work in low sec. For the guy talking about his vexor... Even if you werent lying about your align time, the basis align time for an untanked vexor used to be 6.2 seconds, and here im talking for a char with all skills comitted to aligning in L5. Prob the last thing I would call balanced...
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.05 07:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails this is good news really it means that innocent traveleers are having greater chance to make way instead of destroy by pirates Yeah, but it mean non innocent regressive dogs can move with impugnity too.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.05 07:25:00 - [22] To add constructive material the discussion, permit me to repost something I did ... er last time this came up: "Here, have some numbers as fuel for this discussion: Crow - locks an Crow in 2s, warps in 1.8s Kestrel - locks a kestrel in 3.3s, warps in 3s. Thrasher - locks in 2.3s, warps in 3.5s. Caracal - locks a in 4.7s, warps in 3.7s Drake - locks in 4.1s warps in 7.5s (brutix is similar) Raven - locks in 8.3s, warps in 10.5s With the exception of battlecruisers, a ship is marginal on locking a mirror of itself before it can warp. When doing things like locking, especially if you're in pursuit of someone, 'loading lag' is what controls whether you can do this or not. I don't know about you, but I'd rather that wasn't the case."
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.05 07:28:00 - [23] It's called using the proper ship/setup for the job. Self-proclaimed idiot
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.05 08:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Tzar'rim It's called using the proper ship/setup for the job. Tripple-boosted Keres? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Jalif Black Sinisters	Posted - 2009.03.05 09:10:00 - [25] Yeap.. its stupid.. specially when you can do it with a cyclone (yes you can, doing it daily). This stuff totally becomes overpowered when you have also a skirmish warfare implant and you are in a gang.
Amael Galenus Mighty Moshin Emo Rangers	Posted - 2009.03.05 09:55:00 - [26] Edited by: Amael Galenus on 05/03/2009 10:02:00 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec watching ships pass by just for fun. I am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig. Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag. What happened to ships feeling massive? Frigates feel small and light, battleships feel (more) heavy and battlecruisers feel like big cruisers. Cruisers feel like paper. Can this be fixed? FYI- the best and cheapest secure transport ship I've found for low sec is a Vexor fitted with MWD, 2 x Large Shield Extenders, 3 Nanofibers & a Damage Control... warps in less than a second, has 480m3 cargo space & nearly 15k effective HP (meaning it can survive burning back to the gate if necessary). Just because it's a combat ship doesn't mean that it's always going to be used for combat purposes! Edit: Try catching these cruisers when they're in belts or on missions- I bet you'll find their agility is off when they're fitted for PvP/PvE instead of travel
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.03.05 13:30:00 - [27] actually, it's just lag. we may not have the obvious spikes anymore but the entire game runs on ~2sec latency these days. "desync" has become common vocabulary. no wonder then if dumb weapons (missiles) and even dumber tanks (buffer, buffer and more buffer) rise in popularity, fully supported by CCP through tier2 battlecruisers, HICs and now t3 cruisers. and lets not forget the nano nerf; although justified in principle, totally gone overboard. - putting the gist back into logistics
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.05 14:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 05/03/2009 02:53:14 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec... Found your problem right there. This is a game that requires you to earn your kills, adapt, and strategize team-play. No need to thank me. My advice is free. Once upon time you had to earn your safety. Fortunately for most, PvP in EVE is completely consensual to anyone with half a clue. Since WTZ came to be the only ship I've ever lost to a gatecamp was a Shuttle. And that was to Smartbombs. In the same timeframe I've flown ships of all sizes through both low-sec and 0.0, including a Freighter which I brought back from depths of Curse with nothing but a trial alt for protection. And I'm just a lil' Caldari nub. So don't give me that. Once upon a time you had to go out and earn your kills. The next generation pirates got stupid and lazy, and very much liked the idea of being able to just sit at a gate and press F1-F8. So much so that once upon a time the OP come to the forums to b*ch and whine on how he's not able to just sit at a gate and kill sht anymore. Oh, and unfitted cruisers warping in 1 second is utter bull**. If you have to make up sh to prove a point then you really don't have one (this to the OP).
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.05 14:14:00 - [29] Originally by: James Lyrus To add constructive material the discussion, permit me to repost something I did ... er last time this came up: "Here, have some numbers as fuel for this discussion: Crow - locks an Crow in 2s, warps in 1.8s Kestrel - locks a kestrel in 3.3s, warps in 3s. Thrasher - locks in 2.3s, warps in 3.5s. Caracal - locks a in 4.7s, warps in 3.7s Drake - locks in 4.1s warps in 7.5s (brutix is similar) Raven - locks in 8.3s, warps in 10.5s With the exception of battlecruisers, a ship is marginal on locking a mirror of itself before it can warp. When doing things like locking, especially if you're in pursuit of someone, 'loading lag' is what controls whether you can do this or not. I don't know about you, but I'd rather that wasn't the case." This one time I pinned a Caracal against a Vaga in EFT and the Caracal won. But I never got the killmail. What gives? EFT battles are cereals bizniz!
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2009.03.05 14:17:00 - [30] why are you feeling your cruisers? o_0 on a more serious note, yes CCP overdid their agility boost cruisers can enter warp now right under the nose of a sensor-boosted interceptor
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.05 14:19:00 - [31] Have to say I agree on the point about ships not feeling massive anymore. They went and did Trinity which showed us all the teeny tiny pretty window lights on the ships, but they don't really feel that big (which is maybe a good time to make a thorax joke). warp drive active \| nature vraie
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.05 16:57:00 - [32] I'm not sure I understand. Weren't we just reading tons of posts about how high-sec people should adapt to using ships that can avoid gate camps if they want to go to low-sec and people complaining about how nobody went there?
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.05 17:45:00 - [33] Stupid useless discussion is stupid and useless. I can catch cruisers in a Myrm with 3 sensor boosters. I even catch frigates of pilots that did not train evasive maneuvring. Inertia Stabilizers are the new Warp Cores Stabs - so be it. Shall the carebears be able to get into losec, why not after all? A big part of the pirate community is crying that we don't have enough targets in losec and when CCP gives our targets a possibility to enter losec and not get instapopped at the gate, we start to complain again? Catch them later when they're ratting in a belt. The mindless activity is numbing their brains and they will not make it out of the belt every time you warp in with your tackler. If they get the feeling that they have a chance to escape by using their brain and being aware of their surroundings they might even come back when you successfully killed them. If you are hunting you will feel more achievement by killing a Grizzly with a longbow than shooting a deer in a cage with a bazooka. Killing cruisers at the gate usually does neither earn you a lot of ISK nor prestige. Just kill the idiots that come in Battleships/Battlecruisers without a scout or with a scout that does not know the term 'onboard scanner'. There are ships that are better at running (extreme expample interceptor) and the ones that are better at shooting back (BC/BS). Then there are the ones in between that you sometimes get and sometimes not. I really cannot complain about a lack of cruiser kills... Don't forget that the mechanics are the same for everyone playing this game. When they get through losec alone easier, you can do the same. Don't you enjoy running around in an assault frig or HAC and being hard to catch? Originally by: Rells First of all, I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls.
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.05 18:02:00 - [34] Solution: Attack something bigger than cruisers.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.03.05 18:05:00 - [35] So, a cruiser fit for agility can enter warp in about 3x what it takes a frig that's fit for agility (except maybe the awkward heavy t2 frigs). Relatively speaking, it's fine. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.03.05 18:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Wet Ferret So, a cruiser fit for agility can enter warp in about 3x what it takes a frig that's fit for agility (except maybe the awkward heavy t2 frigs) 'fit for agility' (2x Inertia IIs) Punisher enters warp in 2s Caracal and Stabber enter warp in 2.4s Just sayin' - Infectious -
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.05 19:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: James Lyrus To add constructive material the discussion, permit me to repost something I did ... er last time this came up: "Here, have some numbers as fuel for this discussion: Crow - locks an Crow in 2s, warps in 1.8s Kestrel - locks a kestrel in 3.3s, warps in 3s. Thrasher - locks in 2.3s, warps in 3.5s. Caracal - locks a in 4.7s, warps in 3.7s Drake - locks in 4.1s warps in 7.5s (brutix is similar) Raven - locks in 8.3s, warps in 10.5s With the exception of battlecruisers, a ship is marginal on locking a mirror of itself before it can warp. When doing things like locking, especially if you're in pursuit of someone, 'loading lag' is what controls whether you can do this or not. I don't know about you, but I'd rather that wasn't the case." This one time I pinned a Caracal against a Vaga in EFT and the Caracal won. But I never got the killmail. What gives? EFT battles are cereals bizniz! Hmm, are you objecting to my use of statistics, or are you just trolling? Let me enlighten you - the 'go away EFT warrior' troll, is for when people have tried a setup that looks good on paper, but doesn't work in practice - lacking in experience, they don't know quite why their massive passive tank drake cannot kill anything. However, that doesn't actually apply when you're comparing ship attributes - compare the DPS of a Diemos vs. a Thorax, and you're making a valid comparison. Compare the DPS of an Abaddon with an interceptor, and you're not. These are accurate locking time measurements, skewed by lag, and born out by practice. Originally by: Tzar'rim It's called using the proper ship/setup for the job. Hmm, the flaw with your logic is when a ship the same size cannot engage. You have an asymmetric fight - the things that can successfully tackle, cannot win the fight. So you force blobbing and ganking. Even more than sentry guns did. These are not good things.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.03.06 06:08:00 - [38] I did not come here to have people dictate to me what targets I can and cannot shoot. I simply made a statement that cruisers (especially) are feeling very lightweight and almost like they are made out of paper. When I said I was sitting on a gate watching ships for fun, I meant it. I was sitting cloaked 100km off a gate watching as ships passed through to gather intel on targets. And I took notes. Do you want to know what I saw? 60 minutes 62 ships passed 7 pods 9 shuttles 8 frigates 15 interceptors 2 assault ships 3 covert ops 12 cruisers 2 hacs 3 recons 0 hics 0 battlecruisers 0 command ships 1 battleship OF those: 3 frigates explored stuff on gate. 2 interceptors burned off into the distance. The battleship had a ~8 second align time. EVERYTHING ELSE INSTAWARPED. The frigates and cruisers warped at virtually the same speed. Even the assault ships warped moderately fast (~2 seconds) but there's just no justification for everything warping homogeneously. If you can make all ships the same then let's just give them all the same amount of HP and let them all fly at the same speed while we're at it. Because apparently there is ZERO difference between a frigate and a cruiser when it comes to speeding up. That's just it though. Warping is about reaching a certain percentage of your maximum velocity before you warp. If a frigate requires so much thrust to speed itself up, and a cruiser requires the same RATIO, then a cruiser and a frigate are the same. What we are missing here is the mass. A cruiser is HEAVIER than a frigate so it should require much more 'umph' to get itself to the same percentage of speed as a frigate. Here's how I think it should be: Frigate: Time--------------1s----------------2s---------------3s---------- 0%...........................X........100% Cruiser: Time--------------2s----------------4s---------------6s---------- 0%...........................................X...............100% Note the change in scale. So if it takes a frigate to reach 3/4 velocity in 1.6 seconds, it should take a cruiser which is many times the frigate's mass at LEAST 3 times longer to reach the same velocity. Why? Because something that is larger requires more time to move through a space. "Insta top speed" is getting ridiculous and is throwing continuity out the window in favor of lack of work. I've said it before and I'll say it again: It may be cake for CCP to redo a few numbers and call it good, but that's a duct-tape solution. Tearing everything down and reworking it will ensure that everything works smoothly and that the numbers have been reworked fresh and that there are no anomalies in the numbers. Cruisers have become that anomaly, as well as a host of other by-products of that duct-tape solution. Rework it from scratch like I have witnessed some players do here for a number of other things and I promise you things will feel massive again. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.06 06:10:00 - [39] Of course, larger ships will have bigger engines to compensate for their mass. IStabs and nanos seem to help too...got my Condor to instawarp like a shuttle, although it's now made of glass...well, was anyway... ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong."
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.03.06 07:22:00 - [40] Siig stop trolling. Rabble rabble rabble ----- Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.06 07:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 05/03/2009 02:30:06 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec... Found your problem right there. This is a game that requires you to earn your kills, adapt, and strategize team-play. No need to thank me. My advice is free. oh look, its back to hiding behind alt's again
Easley Thames The Maverick Navy Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.06 07:58:00 - [42] My previous post isn't showing up and I do not want to re-write it so I'll just summarize this time. 1 - You find you need a bubble to catch some of them? Working as intended. Low sec should be safer than 0.0. 2- Who cares if it's hard to catch frigs and cruisers in low sec? From someone who gate camps more than he would like to admit I see no problem with our success rate catching cruisers. If they were as easy as BC's there would be no real reason to fly them. 3- BC's are already a good replacement for most T2 cruisers in many situations, let them at least keep the agility edge. See the Deimos v. Brutix debate threads. 4 - It is possible to catch non-bonused cruisers without extreme measures. A remote sebo HICtor is all you need. A 2-3 man gang shouldn't have 100% success against light ships anyway. If you had a large fleet with info warfare links, perfect leadership, perfect locking skills, multiple remote-sebo's and local sebo's but you couldn't lock a 1600mm plated cruiser THEN you'd have my vote for a nerf but it isn't that way at all. 5 - IIRC good agility was given in exchange for the destruction of viable speed fits on 90% of cruisers. It wasn't a change only to cruisers but it had the important effect of keeping them somewhat survivable even without the ability to zoom zoom. If it wasn't intended than it was one of the better unintentional changes CCP has ever made. 6 - Why do people want cruisers to be sitting ducks? Roaming cruisers would be useless if they were not agile. You'd just bring BCs or (more realistically) BS fleets. The trend towards BS and capitals dominating in small AND large gang warfare is not fun and is crowding out other options for roamers (which is sad IMO since QR killed such a ton of choices for most sub-BS pilots anyway).
ghost st	Posted - 2009.03.06 10:02:00 - [43] Its not really the align time to catch them. They prolly tested it if your in the middle of space, if you got a target 5 seconds in open space you got enough to lock and point it. But the problem is the damn gate cloak raping those precious seconds from you. Lets say you got 5 seconds to lock. 2-3seconds will be gone just due to cloak lag. And if your trying to get him on the last second module lag will get you everytime. So you got about 1 second to clock and point, at target that takes 5s to align. I dont think agility needs to mbe tweaked (its perfect for everything else atm). I think CCP just need to put the gate-cloak-nerf on these carbears. If i cant lock them while im gate cloaked, they shouldn't be able to start warp until after gate cloak. On top of that make the cloak period a shorter than the jump period. So no more hold cloak -> run for gate. At least 5-10 seconds (**** gets really annoying when you got both sides of the gate camped but the target holds cloak and burns back to the gate endless times for half an hour)
Spurty Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.03.06 11:28:00 - [44] Edited by: Spurty on 06/03/2009 11:28:45 Originally by: ghost st On top of that make the cloak period a shorter than the jump period. So no more hold cloak -> run for gate. At least 5-10 seconds (**** gets really annoying when you got both sides of the gate camped but the target holds cloak and burns back to the gate endless times for half an hour) having done this a couple of times myself (I was fit for travel, not fight) and finally escaped due to randomly appearing 28km from everyone, I have to say this is working fine, just their skill/luck better than your skill/luck. Always nice to taste the tears boom .. drama bomb was a direct hit, expect GoonSwarm posts on CAOD any second!
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.06 11:38:00 - [45] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 06/03/2009 11:46:34 In my short stint in 0.0 about a month ago my stiletto did a great job of catching all kinds of small stuff and also cloakers like blockaderunners and force recons. So again, use the right ship for the job, use the right setup for the job, optimise your gameplay, be prepared and active. No problems. Self-proclaimed idiot
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity	Posted - 2009.03.06 13:11:00 - [46] - I like the cruiser agility the way it is - I understand why we have the locking delay on gates. it sucks to die every time you jump just because your computer didnt load the system quick enough etc. - There is one delay that is really ****ing me off though: decloaking on top of someone in a belt, even if you have been sitting 3 km off him for 1 minute you still cant start targeting right away when you decloak (and this is a covert ops cloak that doesnt have locking delay). I just dont understand why. Put in space whales!
Grez Minmatar Core Contingency Ignition.	Posted - 2009.03.06 13:17:00 - [47] I blame the parents. --- Have a rawr on me.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.06 13:28:00 - [48] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 05/03/2009 02:30:06 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec... Found your problem right there. This is a game that requires you to earn your kills, adapt, and strategize team-play. No need to thank me. My advice is free. oh look, its back to hiding behind alt's again Show me on this doll where my comment hurt you.

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