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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ki Tarra on 05/03/2009 19:03:21
Originally by: Jayn Cobb There are no guarantees that you'll be able to get back to the system you've dropped your POS in, and then you'll be SOL.
Solved through the use of alts and patience.
Always keep a scanning alt in the same system as your POS. Scan for the exit wormhole. If it leads to W-Space, wait for the wormhole to expire. If it leads to K-Space, check where it goes and inform friends/alts of the new entrence.
The imbalance comes from the fact that moon mining requires alts and patience by its nature.
Those laying seige are unlikely to be able/willing to spend weeks/months moving assets into the system. Those doing the mining must certainly be willing to maintain such extended operations.
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Hyperforce99
Gallente Infinite Covenant United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 05/03/2009 19:07:15
Originally by: CCP Abathur
Originally by: Electric Fox Can wormholes link w-space to w-space as well?
Yes.
Lost in space anyone ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_Space_(film)
Wormhole spotting can become quite lucrative, find a wormhole that leads to the heart of enemy space, sell the co÷rdinates to their enemy(s)... profit ? --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/ |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:09:00 -
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Since moon-mining is the biggest money-maker in Eve, can we maybe hear some arguments from the devs pro and contra it and why they finally decided against moon-mining in w-space?
Thanks.
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Jayn Cobb
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra Edited by: Ki Tarra on 05/03/2009 19:03:21
Originally by: Jayn Cobb There are no guarantees that you'll be able to get back to the system you've dropped your POS in, and then you'll be SOL.
Solved through the use of alts and patience.
Always keep a scanning alt in the same system as your POS. Scan for the exit wormhole. If it leads to W-Space, wait for the wormhole to expire. If it leads to K-Space, check where it goes and inform friends/alts of the new entrence.
The imbalance comes from the fact that moon mining requires alts and patience by its nature.
Those laying seige are unlikely to be able/willing to spend weeks/months moving assets into the system. Those doing the mining must certainly be willing to maintain such extended operations.
Well that explains it. I'm an impatient mofo. It still strikes me as really risky, but I suppose if the rewards are worth the risk...
I guess it's moot until we actually start developing clearer picture of what W-space is really like.
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rubico1337
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra
Those laying seige are unlikely to be able/willing to spend weeks/months moving assets into the system. Those doing the mining must certainly be willing to maintain such extended operations.
i highly doubt this. the logistics of wspace works both ways. once a besieging force had a player in system they could use it to do exactly what the POS alt would do. not only that it could be used to disrupt supply of the POS by ganking haulers, despawning wormholes, trying to starve the POS.
the logistics problems would push the POS owners towards smaller towers. smaller towers-> less blob required. once a sufficient force was in place there would be no reinforcements for the defenders because of the wormhole sutuation (on sisi, SEVERAL wormholes seem to let multiple battleships in)
when taking the potential profits into account, i believe this is more than enough effort for the potential gains
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Drenmarr Acharynn
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Amazing what CCP can throw together in five-six months!
As for the last picture in the blog, any chance of telling us which phenomena that might be, just so I can taste it? It looks like a black hole but it could also be a pulsar or a number of other things.
Given that the filename is whpulsar.jpg I'm guessing it's a red giant |
Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:27:00 -
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Will open wormholes be shown on the overview map? or in the API?
Will players entering a system be able to see what wormholes are open on the overview, or will everyone have to scan and bookmark the location?
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Avernus on 05/03/2009 19:46:24
Quote: Additionally, there are no minable moon minerals in W-space.
... @#%**&!@!!!!!!!!!
Slight hole in the fabric of my plan here....
Edit: Actually I'd love to know the thinking on this particular decision? Is it worry over market stability, or that some of the larger alliances would try to dominate W-space in some fashion?
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Dakisha
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:40:00 -
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Unless sleepers have been toned down in the last week mind, they're still massivly overpowered mind..
I predict a mass charge for w-space, followed rapidly by a mass retreat of pods
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dakisha Unless sleepers have been toned down in the last week mind, they're still massivly overpowered mind..
I predict a mass charge for w-space, followed rapidly by a mass retreat of pods
Yea, our five man gang taking out an advanced spawn means they are "incredibly overpowered." Did you ever think maybe you're just not smart enough.
On another note, has anyone seen if these new graphics for the tactical environments just in the background, or is it an overview object I can warp to?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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CCP Abathur
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 05/03/2009 18:50:46 Remember that the difference in their masses are currently very small. For example, the Thanatos is 1,057,500,000 kg while the Nyx is 1,292,500,000 kg
Hmmm... you might want to check some of those ship masses on SiSi...
Originally by: Avernus Actually I'd love to know the thinking on this particular decision? Is it worry over market stability, or that some of the larger alliances would try to dominate W-space in some fashion?
Yes.
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: rubico1337 the logistics of wspace works both ways. once a besieging force had a player in system they could use it to do exactly what the POS alt would do.
The problem is that the ships used for laying seige are ten or a hundred times larger than the ones used for logistics. So it will take far more wormholes to move the seige ships than to move the logistics ships.
There is also a huge difference in the skill point requirements. There is a big difference between idling a basic skilled alt flying an T1 astrometrics frigate or industrial and a decently skilled battleship or dreadnought pilot.
Maintain a POS is still alot easier than laying seige to one. Originally by: rubico1337 the logistics problems would push the POS owners towards smaller towers. smaller towers-> less blob required. once a sufficient force was in place there would be no reinforcements for the defenders because of the wormhole sutuation (on sisi, SEVERAL wormholes seem to let multiple battleships in)
I would guess that many people would be willing and able to deploy large towers simply so that people would not want to commit to the effort required to attack it. No need for proper defences, just load up on hardeners to bore the attackers to death.
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J Valkor
R.U.S.T. BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: rubico1337
Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 05/03/2009 15:50:16 Edited by: CCP Prism X on 05/03/2009 15:49:32 Could Happen != "Wormhole Space Has Moon Materials" I cannot believe you actually need me to say this. Especially after I told you that the status was unkown for some time.
'A' for effort though.
Edit: Just to clarify a little bit. This is what we call reading between the lines when there is nothing there to read. You jumped to assumptions there, and stuck with it. You can read various posts, on various different forums, where people state over and over again that we have not announced anything regarding moon materials when others are saying we have. There's no big surprise that people react badly to this. You can however thank Abathur for not listening to my whacko ideas and simply NOT announce this at all. Abathur is not as sadistic as I am when it comes to alliances.
i guess everyone assumed it, probably because of the absence of a denial
this changes the way most players will interact with wormholes, as of now the fate of w-space is tied to the fate of 4 completely new ships, if no one flys t3 then no one will go through wormholes. with the presence of moon mins there would be something else to fight for
please dont let this suffer the same fate as boosters
Salvage off of the sleepers is such that you could make a killing from just creating T2 mods to ships. Ignoring t3 entirely. Last I heard anyway, might have been rebalanced.
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Jezala
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jezala on 05/03/2009 20:09:20 One of the things that I wanted to check but have not had the time to do is verify how the mechanics for locator agents will work for pilots in w-space. Does the agent return the system name of the w-space or does it report back the system of the wormhole entry? Kind of important in my business of hunting down and assassinating my contract targets.
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Mara Saotome
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:09:00 -
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Ya know, I don't know if the question has been asked already but: Is it possible for Sleeper NPC's to gang up and attack a POS? Now THAT would have EV!
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Bethulsunamen
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:10:00 -
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"As I've said, in W-space you will see things you've never seen in EVE before. Black Holes, Pulsars and Red Giants are just some of these wonders.
So when you enter a wormhole system and see something ĉunusual' off your port bow, proceed with the knowledge that some of the things you know about how your ship performs may no longer be true. Your ship drives may push you faster, your weapons may hit harder, you may find yourself with no shields or less effective armor... and just when you think you've got it all figured out, things may change again!"
Omg.......... Thats more than i expected.. Wow.. Really? Black holes, pulsars? Giant stars? Dual-stars (plaes)? Different effects on your ships? No shields? Faster speeds?
I'm drooling..
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jezala Edited by: Jezala on 05/03/2009 20:09:20 One of the things that I wanted to check but have not had the time to do is verify how the mechanics for locator agents will work for pilots in w-space. Does the agent return the system name of the w-space or does it report back the system of the wormhole entry? Kind of important in my business of hunting down and assassinating my contract targets.
______ is located in unknown space.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xor tacnell
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Then you know something I don't. As the person responsible for seeding moon materials I can tell you that the status of that question was always ''Unknown'' until we decided on ''No'' and my pants increased in happy.
I'm glad to know that this particular development decision was based on your desire to slack off and be lazy.
Being relieved at the decision is not the same as making the decision solely based on being lazy and not wanting to implement it.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 05/03/2009 20:39:24
Originally by: CCP Abathur Hmmm... you might want to check some of those ship masses on SiSi...
I would if the patch wasn't 300 Mb :( But that's good to know :D.
Originally by: J Valkor Salvage off of the sleepers is such that you could make a killing from just creating T2 mods to ships. Ignoring t3 entirely. Last I heard anyway, might have been rebalanced.
What does sleeper salvage have to do with T2 mods?
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Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:28:00 -
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Aww, the possibility of finding a dyspro moon in W-space is pretty much the only thing that had me excited about this expansion, now it's just joining EA and QR in the pile of expansions I couldn't care less about.
I'm guessing the main reason you decided against moon minerals was due to the wormholes being 2-way, making it easy to keep a POS fueled and moving minerals back to K-space, but couldn't you have solved the problem by simply not seeding moons in the systems that connect back to K-space? That way someone wanting to moon mine would have to move deep into WH space, bringing only a limited amount of fuel that would eventually run out, at which point the minerals would have to be moved across several systems until a way out is found. While it's true the POS might stay anchored at the moon, with no fuel to keep it running it's just a matter of leaving an AFK geddon on it for a day or so, or you could even make it so anchored stuff slowly decays.
New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 05/03/2009 20:39:24
Originally by: CCP Abathur Hmmm... you might want to check some of those ship masses on SiSi...
I would if the patch wasn't 300 Mb :( But that's good to know :D.
Originally by: J Valkor Salvage off of the sleepers is such that you could make a killing from just creating T2 mods to ships. Ignoring t3 entirely. Last I heard anyway, might have been rebalanced.
What does sleeper salvage have to do with T2 mods?
T2 rigs maybe?
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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BenjaminBarker
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Saotome Ya know, I don't know if the question has been asked already but: Is it possible for Sleeper NPC's to gang up and attack a POS? Now THAT would have EV!
Now that would rock. Throw those moon mins back in and let the Sleepers hold them all. First you have to kick the sleepers out, then you have to put up your own POS and keep them from taking it out!
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:45:00 -
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My father is a carebear, he wants to know if there are astroid belts in W-SPACE. Stop, hammer time. |
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CCP Abathur
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard My father is a carebear, he wants to know if there are astroid belts in W-SPACE.
Yes. You'll have to convince the Sleepers to let you have access to them though.
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Abathur
Originally by: Megan Maynard My father is a carebear, he wants to know if there are astroid belts in W-SPACE.
Yes. You'll have to convince the Sleepers to let you have access to them though.
There is so much talk about new stuff there...
Might there be new roid material to mine? (I have no idea on what it would be)
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Monikerina
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 05/03/2009 16:00:29
Originally by: Gamer4liff So if you're the person in charge of seeding moon minerals can we expect sometime soon a new system that isn't 100% dependent on moons? T2 prices will just keep on rising because of component costs, especially with the influx of players (though admittedly this will be delayed). I was really hoping that wormhole space had minable moons to decrease the build costs. Just wondering if this is on your radar.
Ask me that again in a couple of months and in a topic that does not showcase the reason for why I can't go on answering questions about the possible future.
That would be any topic. You get off on ****** with the player base. You've said this many many times so I'm not sure why people keep listening to you.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Abathur
Originally by: Megan Maynard My father is a carebear, he wants to know if there are astroid belts in W-SPACE.
Yes. You'll have to convince the Sleepers to let you have access to them though.
another change? till the other day, from what I know, there were only exploration sites for minerals.
Nice touch if you are adding warpable belts. I really doubt anyone will ever mine them.
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Monikerina
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: CCP Abathur
Originally by: Megan Maynard My father is a carebear, he wants to know if there are astroid belts in W-SPACE.
Yes. You'll have to convince the Sleepers to let you have access to them though.
another change? till the other day, from what I know, there were only exploration sites for minerals.
Nice touch if you are adding warpable belts. I really doubt anyone will ever mine them.
What prevents hidden belts from having sleepers in them?
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BenjaminBarker
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Monikerina
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: CCP Abathur
Originally by: Megan Maynard My father is a carebear, he wants to know if there are astroid belts in W-SPACE.
Yes. You'll have to convince the Sleepers to let you have access to them though.
another change? till the other day, from what I know, there were only exploration sites for minerals.
Nice touch if you are adding warpable belts. I really doubt anyone will ever mine them.
What prevents hidden belts from having sleepers in them?
Needs to be clarified - will there be static asteroid belts that appear in your overview, or just exploration belts?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: BenjaminBarker Needs to be clarified - will there be static asteroid belts that appear in your overview, or just exploration belts?
No static belts in wormhole space. If you want to find some belts, you need to scan them out.
The belts are rubbish at the moment though, the roids are to small and at least the 'easy' wormhole systems have bad ore - in essence, most level 1 mission are better to mine, and they don't have that insane dangers and difficulties of logistics.
But there are still a couple of days to polish up everything
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