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Thermy Ante	Posted - 2009.03.06 00:33:00 - [1] Hi, Today I was killed on a level 4 mission by player pirates. They attacked me when I was in combat on the mission. I do not understand how the player pirates could follow me to the mission location. How did they know where to warp ? Hope anyone has an answer to this?
kunniz	Posted - 2009.03.06 01:04:00 - [2] probing
Thermy Ante	Posted - 2009.03.06 01:10:00 - [3] Could you please explain what probing is?
GotAllMined	Posted - 2009.03.06 01:22:00 - [4] probing hmmm it uses probes with probe launcher so find what and where in the system kind of a locator within the system in space, it use different kind of probe to get good accuracy so they can find ships with recon probe launcher or find complexe(deadspace) with scan probe one's......whenever you do mission's in low sec you should always be aware of ppl in system and be ready to get away, and use your system scanner so you know some ships are coming using the distance settings.. Good Luck
Not Well	Posted - 2009.03.06 10:02:00 - [5] This is also how the ninja salvagers find you.
yarrmarr killerchickens unite	Posted - 2009.03.06 11:05:00 - [6] if you really have no idea what probes are you should wonder whether you should run missions in low sec. please read warfare and tactics section on the forums asap.
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.06 12:34:00 - [7] The good new, or bad - depending on where you stand on the issue, is that in M10 patch there will be no added difficulty to scanning down ships inside deadspace (missions). This is unconfirmed or I could have interpreted what I read the wrong way, though, so do take this with a pinch of salt. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Cade Morrigan Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:38:00 - [8] Just don't do missions in systems lower than sec status 0.5 and you'll be ok. You're just a fat juice target in your mission fit ship in low sec.
Moonaru Izu Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.06 20:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Victor Valka The good new, or bad - depending on where you stand on the issue, is that in M10 patch there will be no added difficulty to scanning down ships inside deadspace (missions). This is unconfirmed or I could have interpreted what I read the wrong way, though, so do take this with a pinch of salt. ...and the bad news is that it is hardly possible to scan out anyone anymore as it is near impossible to pinpoint the ship you are looking for when probing.
Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.06 21:52:00 - [10] I am aware of the extreme danger when going into low sec. Therefore I jumped very quickly from the gate to the mission location. But, I was just surprised that they could go to the deadspace and find my there. I thought, I was safe there.

Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.06 22:52:00 - [11] And one more question about pirates attacking when doing missions in low sec. In the wiki-guide for missions, the following advices can be read about low sec missions: "Being always aligned to a celestial object, like a planet of moon, always checking local, leaving a container near the entrance acceleration gates are good actions to take to prevent unfortunate encounters with pirating players." My question is then: what is a container, and what is the purpose of leaving it at the entrance acceleration gate?
Mangold Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.03.06 23:09:00 - [12] When you eject something from your ship it ends up in a container. The can (=conatiner) will decloak a prober when he/she warps to your mission.
Harvash Lonewolf Logistics	Posted - 2009.03.06 23:50:00 - [13] Don't even know where to begin with this. How are you running L4 missions, but don't understand pirating, lo sec or probing?? I know the game has had some easy mode changes since i started playing (yeah, original 5k & Ship player..lol ) To reiterate the advice given ALL over the forums and ingame. Welcome to EVE, unless your docked - you are never "Safe". H
Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.07 00:59:00 - [14] Ok, but I am just playing for the fun, and I am not complaining about anything - just trying to figure out what happen. By the way, I had actually one Warp Core Stabilizer on my ship, but is seems to me that it was not enough. How many Warp Core Stabilizers are needed on a Megathron to be almost sure that you can get away? (I was jammed by a smaller ship, a gallente cruiser).
FOl2TY8 The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.07 01:21:00 - [15] Was it a Phobos? If it was he probably had a focused warp script which has an infinite warp scram strength. If not then he probably was fitting a warp scrambler instead of a warp disruptor. Scrams have +2 jamming strength and disruptors have only +1. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.07 02:13:00 - [16] No, it was a Celestis.
Chii'leck Hudson	Posted - 2009.03.07 02:54:00 - [17] if you want a good laugh look the kill mail up on battle clinic. i would stick to highsec if i were you.
kEat0n	Posted - 2009.03.07 03:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Thermy Ante Hi, Today I was killed on a level 4 mission by player pirates. They attacked me when I was in combat on the mission. I do not understand how the player pirates could follow me to the mission location. How did they know where to warp ? Hope anyone has an answer to this? You can get killed by anyone in 0.4-0.0. I looked up your killmail on battleclinic and noticed that you REALLY need..and I mean REALLY need to armor tank that megathron for L4 missions. No guarantee that you would have fought off those pirates, but you will have a much better tank in the future if you armor tank.
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Somali Coastguard Authority	Posted - 2009.03.07 09:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Chii'leck Hudson if you want a good laugh look the kill mail up on battle clinic. i would stick to highsec if i were you. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Thermy+Ante&id=6112337&page=1&filter=losses#mail Now that's just wrong. That ship deserved to die.
Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:51:00 - [20] It is correct my ship is not perfect for a level4 mission, since I do not have level 5 on gunnery yet. But this was my first level 4 mission, some my plan was to see if the drones, medium missiles and medium guns could do some damage. Regarding tanking. I was working on getting an extra large booster up running constantly. But still, I do not know whether one more Warp Core Stabilizer could have saved me.

Cess Poole Black Claw Exploratory	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:54:00 - [21] You should look through HERE and get some better ideas on how to set up a ship. Peruse the forums and you can get quite a bit of information on most things. Stick to Hi-sec for awhile and run some missions that will be easier for your skill points, along with the appropriate ship. Better luck next time.
Cess Poole Black Claw Exploratory	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:56:00 - [22] Another warp stab would have severely hampered your missioning as they have drawbacks also. One more may or may not have saved you. Chances are not.
Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.07 15:17:00 - [23] Thanks for the advices
Socrates Johnson	Posted - 2009.03.07 17:37:00 - [24] I think training up to use a T2 shield booster would really have made the difference.
Oregin Gods Left Hand Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.07 22:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Socrates Johnson I think training up to use a T2 shield booster would really have made the difference. Disagree. Get an armour tank on the Mega, and definately not an omnitank like the killmail shows...
Esamir	Posted - 2009.03.07 23:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Oregin Originally by: Socrates Johnson I think training up to use a T2 shield booster would really have made the difference. Disagree. Get an armour tank on the Mega, and definately not an omnitank like the killmail shows... I think he might have been joking.
GhostX	Posted - 2009.03.08 02:24:00 - [27] Jesus, thats one of the coolest setups ive seen yet +5 mate How did you lose that ship?..
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Moonaru Izu ...and the bad news is that it is hardly possible to scan out anyone anymore as it is near impossible to pinpoint the ship you are looking for when probing. If they are on the move, jumping between safesports, yes, it's harder. But mission runners are almost static (relativly speaking). Even if the mission has several deadspace pockets those are always in close proximity to one another. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.08 13:44:00 - [29] Originally by: GhostX Jesus, thats one of the coolest setups ive seen yet +5 mate How did you lose that ship?.. 1. I was warp scrambled 2. I was sensor damped 3. My ship was slow compared to the attackers 4. They were three or more 5. They send 10 drones out to destroy me
Philmore Ganz Ex Coelis	Posted - 2009.03.08 15:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Thermy Ante 1. I was warp scrambled <snip> 5. They send 10 drones out to destroy me Yeah, Thermy, he's poking fun at you. I think people could be nicer about it, but they're right - you should probably learn more about how to fit that ship before you mess with L4s. And, you should probably know how to run L4s comfortably before you attempt to mission in lowsec. Given what I've seen in this post and the killmail, I'd suggest finding a nice highsec mission agent where you can learn to fly L4s well. Once you've done that, maybe graduate to running lower-level missions in lowsec so that you can learn the "lowsec ropes" while minimizing your loss potential. Mission-running ships are expensive to lose.

Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.08 18:29:00 - [31] I don't think my ship is so bad. I have high drone skills. I have an X-large booster running almost constantly. I have shield extenders and invulnerability fields to make the shield even stronger. I know of course that I should fit large railsguns and cruiser missils, but I do not have the skills at this moment. Furthermore, I have read a lot of post saying that you can rely on drones in missions, if you have the skills to do so. Maybe I should consider using an armor tank, but I prefer to rely on the outermost shield. Then I have the time and armor to prepare for an escape, if the shield is going down.
Chii'leck Hudson	Posted - 2009.03.08 19:47:00 - [32] gallente are an armor tanking race. most ships are set up to armor tank with the exception of a few that can field shield tanks. if you prefer shield tanking then caldari and some minmatar ships are the way to go. also you said you have good drone skills but you are flying a ship that gives no bonus to drones and a pretty hefty bonus to hybrid turrets. if you stick with gallente try a dominix. also like everyone has said before, get used to running missions in highsec before you even think about going to lowsec, your just giving somebody free kill mails. also when in highsec if someone steals from one of you mission wrecks don't shoot them or they will just get a bigger ship and come kill you.
Esamir	Posted - 2009.03.08 19:57:00 - [33] There's so many things wrong with it, we're not quite sure where to start. - WCS is a no-no. - Either armour tank or shield. One good tank is better than two poor tanks. - If you insist on shield tanking it, why are you wasting midslots on cap rechargers? - Once your shields are down, you'll likely be out of cap, and with no cap or resists, do you really think that armour rep is going to do anything? - etc. Let's leave it there... If you can't use large rails, but have good drone skills, why not use a Dominix? You'll get twice the tank and twice the damage* and it'll be cheaper too. Hell, you can even put a better shield tank on it if you want. *note: numbers pulled out of my arse
Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.08 20:29:00 - [34] Thanks for the advice. But I will stick to the megathron. Then I can both have drones, lots of guns, and cruiser missiles.
Commoner Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.03.09 00:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Thermy Ante Thanks for the advice. But I will stick to the megathron. Then I can both have drones, lots of guns, and cruiser missiles. Do that, and you'll lose your mega on your first hard lvl 4 mission. To put it simply, with the setup you had in mind you wouldn't be able to complete half the lvl4 missions there is. Your setup has crap tankable dps, crap damage and crappy locking range/ scan resolution.
Niclas Solo Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.09 03:59:00 - [36] Originally by: Thermy Ante Thanks for the advice. But I will stick to the megathron. Then I can both have drones, lots of guns, and cruiser missiles. Listen to the advice, get EFT and try the different setups for yourself. Also start learning to do L4 in highsec, if you want to go low sec get a thorax and do L2 missions until you understand how everything work. Check the fitting guides on this forum and bookmark Mission report maybe join a corp that can teach you how to survive? or read all the guides on this forum, so much info here, if you can't find it use Eve Search Good Luck ^^
Marguerite Antiki	Posted - 2009.03.09 04:10:00 - [37] Originally by: Thermy Ante Thanks for the advice. But I will stick to the megathron. Then I can both have drones, lots of guns, and cruiser missiles. This is like watching a train wreck in slow motion - Amoderia hey - I may have to wander over in my Helios and look around mroe often.
AmeNoNuhoko	Posted - 2009.03.09 08:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Thermy Ante I don't think my ship is so bad. I have high drone skills. I have an X-large booster running almost constantly. I have shield extenders and invulnerability fields to make the shield even stronger. I know of course that I should fit large railsguns and cruiser missils, but I do not have the skills at this moment. Furthermore, I have read a lot of post saying that you can rely on drones in missions, if you have the skills to do so. Maybe I should consider using an armor tank, but I prefer to rely on the outermost shield. Then I have the time and armor to prepare for an escape, if the shield is going down. Okay, here's a simple way to know how you should tank your ship: Armor tanking uses low slots. Shield tanking uses mid slots. The Megathron has 7 low slots and 4 mid slots. Ergo, it makes no sense to do anything BUT armor tank it. For a level 4 mission, I would not shield tank anything without a MINIMUM of five mid slots, and I'd greatly prefer 6 or more.
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2009.03.09 11:20:00 - [39] Edited by: Space Wanderer on 09/03/2009 11:21:36 Ignoring the your setup here, since that's not the thread is about (although I do agree with other posters you can do MUCH better). Probing is how you locate ships that are in spots where you normally can't warp, and you would't even know the existence. I would suggest to read Hoshi's guide to probing, but coming 10 march (tomorrow) it will be hopelessly obsolete. Just giving you a pointer: all starts from training Astrometrics skill at 1. Oh, and until you have learnt about probing, and the ways to counter it, do not even CONSIDER to mission in lowsec, unless it is an empty system. Pirates WILL find you, again and again.
Thermy Ante Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.09 19:37:00 - [40] Originally by: AmeNoNuhoko Originally by: Thermy Ante I don't think my ship is so bad. I have high drone skills. I have an X-large booster running almost constantly. I have shield extenders and invulnerability fields to make the shield even stronger. I know of course that I should fit large railsguns and cruiser missils, but I do not have the skills at this moment. Furthermore, I have read a lot of post saying that you can rely on drones in missions, if you have the skills to do so. Maybe I should consider using an armor tank, but I prefer to rely on the outermost shield. Then I have the time and armor to prepare for an escape, if the shield is going down. Okay, here's a simple way to know how you should tank your ship: Armor tanking uses low slots. Shield tanking uses mid slots. The Megathron has 7 low slots and 4 mid slots. Ergo, it makes no sense to do anything BUT armor tank it. For a level 4 mission, I would not shield tank anything without a MINIMUM of five mid slots, and I'd greatly prefer 6 or more. I am using 4 or 5 low-slot for power diagnostics modules. They all improves the shield tanking, by increasing the capacitor, capacitor recharge rate, shield and shield recharge rate.

Pwett QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.03.09 19:51:00 - [41] First of Thermy, I want to say you're taking this very well. Cheers to you. Second, don't just focus on shield recharge, resistances are as important as the amount of damage you can repair per second. The mega has 7 low slots, off the top of my head the optimal tank would be 2 damage mods, 1 large armor rep, 4 resistance mods. You can use the mids for cap recharge or whatever. Do yourself a favor and download EFT, play around with it. I am absolutely positive you'll be able to figure it out. _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony A man creates; A parasite asks 'Where is my share?' Item Database
Armakoir	Posted - 2009.03.09 21:06:00 - [42] The ship you use and your tanking setup will not do a damn thing to protect you against pirates. 1. Find a quieter area of low sec, even if this means a lower quality agent. Not all of them are teeming with pirates. 2. Set up warp instas, mainly for undocking. 3. Watch local. Give negative standings to APPARENT pirates and their corporations for easy recognition. A single pirate in local... not a big deal. 2-4, you're looking at a covert ops and a couple gankers. Either be ready to warp within seconds, or get out and let things quiet down. 4. Open your Directional Scanner, set range to 999999999999 and 360 degrees, and scan often. I usually do 3 scan sets every few minutes (which increases in frequency depending on who's in local). You'll not likely see the covert ops pilot, but you may notice his friends. Take notes on ship names and types that your friendly, neighborhood pirates use. 5. Align To, Align To, Align To... and keep your speed at or above 75%. Try aligning to a stack of objects or a station where you have an Insta. 6. The Jetcan at the warp in point is a nice idea. NEVER stay at this point (goes along with aligning). Plex missions are certainly safer than non-plexes. 7. DO NOT use drones. Or rather, use them sparingly for scrambling frigates, then pull them back in. I've been scanned down in 30 secs because of my drones (which have MWD and subsequently a larger signature radius than your BS directly effects how easy you are to find). These steps, and otherwise staying situationally aware, will help you safely run missions in low sec. As for tanking the Mega... never flown it. But these guys are right, you should DEFINITELY learn to use EFT. Oh, and leave the warp stab at home. If they've gotten that close, it's already too late. Armakoir
Aznraz	Posted - 2009.03.10 17:22:00 - [43] Best wishes Thermy! One piece of advice is that there are great LVL4 agents in Dodixie which will keep you running missions in hi-sec. Keep experimenting with different setups. It is much easier fitting for missions when you don't have to take into account pirates in a low-sec area. There are tons of permutations in fittings but when you face 2 vs 1, 3 vs 1, or higher odds usually the solo ship loses if you get scrammed.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.10 17:31:00 - [44] AmeNoNuhoko said "Okay, here's a simple way to know how you should tank your ship: Armor tanking uses low slots. Shield tanking uses mid slots. The Megathron has 7 low slots and 4 mid slots. Ergo, it makes no sense to do anything BUT armor tank it. For a level 4 mission, I would not shield tank anything without a MINIMUM of five mid slots, and I'd greatly prefer 6 or more." Accept for that's very wrong. Passive shield tanks are better with low slots over mid slots so something with 7 low slots makes a great passive shield tank. You only need 1 or 2 mid slots for a shield tank. The Mega makes a good shield tank more than enough for missions. It doesn't really matter if you shield or amour tank if its setup correctly. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank
Yahrr	Posted - 2009.03.10 20:01:00 - [45] Quote: No, it was a Celestis. Btw, that, was not a Celestis... That was an Arazu. Correction, two Arazus. And you just don't run away from those if they get you in a mission. You might want to, but you just can't.
CooperJZ Gallente Corporate Disaster	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:12:00 - [46] Did you buy this account from someone?
Mobious25	Posted - 2009.03.11 00:25:00 - [47] Can you fit large guns?
Ceru Nara	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Thermy Ante I don't think my ship is so bad. I have high drone skills. I have an X-large booster running almost constantly. I have shield extenders and invulnerability fields to make the shield even stronger. I know of course that I should fit large railsguns and cruiser missils, but I do not have the skills at this moment. Furthermore, I have read a lot of post saying that you can rely on drones in missions, if you have the skills to do so. Maybe I should consider using an armor tank, but I prefer to rely on the outermost shield. Then I have the time and armor to prepare for an escape, if the shield is going down. If you have a good armor tank, you should still easily be able to judge when things aren't going well and you need to get out. Armor tanks can typically perma run, so the only thing you have to worry about is whether or not you're keeping up with the damage taken, or at what rate you're falling behind. If you really want to shield tank, consider training for Caldari ships, they are designed to shield tank, and it just so happens that Caldari has some of the best mission ships in the game as well (Raven, CNR, Golem). If you're sticking with Gallente, and especially with high drone skills (as you mentioned), use a Dominix first. Even if you like guns, you probably don't have many sp yet, a Dominix will perform way better in L4's, it can fit a very strong tank and rely on drones for damage. You can change back to a Mega once you're used to things a little more. As for a L4 armor tanker fit, I personally prefer 2 large reppers, since many missions are very hard to tank with only one, and you can't rely on your damage output to kill things quick enough (later on you might be able to). This all depends on your cap skills as well, if you can't run 2 reppers for more than like 1 minute it won't really help, you need to be able to run two for a decent amount of time (doesn't need to be perma, although with good skills it will be). Once you have some more experience, it actually is possible to fit a full rack of large guns on a domi as well, but it requires passive shield tanking it (yeah I know, I just said not to shield tank gallente :P), I have no experience with it, but some people swear by it. The tank is much weaker than a dual rep armor tank, but it relies on it's stronger gank to be able to survive.
Rip Minner	Posted - 2009.03.11 06:49:00 - [49] I give the man props for shield tanking a Mega :) Thats not easy :)
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:54:00 - [50] Props for wanting to learn how to play, keep at it and you will get better!



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