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Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.06 02:03:00 - [1] any experienced pest pilots can comment on this fit? I'm used to flying armageddons for the last year and have t2 large heat rays for a while now but recently trained for t2 large autocannons simply because I liked the muzzle flash of dual 650's and also because tempests look awesome, people on the forums have said for a long time that it sucks, but so far I've been enjoying flying it, its got 6km optimal + 44 falloff + a bit more falloff which means it can pelt ceptors at about 65km with barrage, and in close with RF emp and the neuts it does a good job of chewing stuff up. However its tank is pretty weak, I've yet to have a proper test but I would imagine the minute I come up against a mega its gonna melt to bits if the mega pilots knows his stuff....... HOWEVER it is quicker than a mega and if I see one coming at me I'll be belting off in the opposite direction pelting him with barrage well outside his range (hopefully) on paper it doesnt look great in person its the most awesome looking ship in eve (style is important right) in practice I hope it will outperform the geddons I've been flying thanks to its agility and neuting power (btw this fit needs proj rigging 4 + awu 4) Large Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II ECCM - Ladar II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.06 02:05:00 - [2] your powering all that off a medium cap booster? forgive me if i have doubts. Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.03.06 02:44:00 - [3] It's not like he'd need cap to fire ;) I suppose this is a solo setup and you intend to use it as such? You might want to go old-school/new-school combined for that. Sounds strange? Probably is.. I'm thinking about AB/Dual Rep it without the plate, and a heavy cap booster to support it all should then fit too, without the MWD. That's the old-school part. New school: fit web, disruptor, scram. Solo you should now be able to control range and transversal over other shortrange fits. The scrambler keeps those Mega's at bay. They won't get too close to you if you web and scramble them. Only way I can think to improve your fitting. AB plus the Tempests small sig radius should make you "speed tank" most of the turret damage. If you're thinking about small roaming gang, and you don't need tackle, take a look at this: [Tempest, Gneezpest improved?] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II LADAR Backup Array II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L E500 Prototype Energy Vampire 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5 8k EHP more than the armor version, 740 instead of 582dps (at my skills though), and you can still overload the invuls and get another ~8k EHP. Downside? It can't tackle and it can't cap inject. That's why I exchanged one of the Neuts for a NOS. You can also remove the tracking enhancer and put another LADAR backup array in, which should get you a little above non-overloaded ladar-eccm numbers. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.06 02:52:00 - [4] yeah I was looking at one like that also it looks pretty good aswell (ofc without the tracking enhancher which does not effect falloff) I was thinking maybe 2 shield pests like that (with tackle) and 2x ECCM scimitars as backup would work extremely well
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.03.06 03:08:00 - [5] Edited by: Thercon Jair on 06/03/2009 03:08:41 Originally by: Gneeznow yeah I was looking at one like that also it looks pretty good aswell (ofc without the tracking enhancher which does not effect falloff) I was thinking maybe 2 shield pests like that (with tackle) and 2x ECCM scimitars as backup would work extremely well Hehe, yeah :) On a sidenote: drop the NOS/Neuts, fit siege launchers and you're looking at 1093dps with faction torps and Hail, 1241dps overloaded. Drop 2 such pests on any armor buffer setup... The tracking enhancer is there since barrage drops your tracking by 25%, hail by 50%, so you at least make up 10% of it. On your 2 scimitar and tackling idea: drop an invul on each pest, add on one a web, a disruptor on the other one, and add cheap shield resist rigs? I know you're losing some of your falloff range with that, but you'd make up the tank lost by using tackle gear. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 13:17:00 - [6] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 13:20:09 Gneeznow. I'm looking at you High and Low slots now. And you use the same modules in high and low slots as i do. The low slot is 100% the same as mine. In high slot i use 6x Dual 650mm AC t2 guns and 2x Heavy Unstable Neuts. But just so you know it. With your low slot you can last longer than you think. I had a 1 vs 1 fight against a Blaster Megathron on TQ some months ago, and my Tempest lasted around 4 mins against. Way longer than i expected. But then, my mid slot and rig slots is totally different. I have this in my med slot: 1x 100MN MWD II 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1x ECM - Multispectral Jammer II 1x Heavy Capacitor Booster II And i also use 3x Trimark Armor Pump I's. So that might be the reason i lasted around 4 mins to a Blaster Mega. And ofc my ECM help a little to. As for drones i use 2x Orge II, 2x Hammerhead II and one Hobgoblin II. Yes you get some more DPS by using those drones over 3x Ogre II's. Yes i lost that fight in the end. But the guy i was fighting had an insane tank lol, he had to use overload on his reps and he had to use an armor rep booster (pill) to be able to tank me. You have probably seen the video i frapsed of that fight. But just incase you haven't, then take a look HERE. It's just a clean convert from the raw fraps footage, so no sounds or editing there. You will most likely see that i'm doing like 4-5 mistakes in that fight. it was those who made me lose that fight. But with your setup, if you can keep distance from those you are fighting, then it's not a problem i think. I haven't tried that setup my self yet, so i can directly say how it perform. And because of your EM and Thermal resists, Amarr BS'es are funny things to meet in a Tempest with that low slot fit, because all players in a gank fitted geddon will go omfg my gank geddon can't even scratch your armor, daaaaaaamn. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.07 13:32:00 - [7] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 07/03/2009 13:36:28 The problem a tempest has is a severe lack of damage and tank, the agility doesn't mean a whole lot if a mega lands on top of you or manages to rush in. The only way (I'm sure you know) is to keep a blasterboat at range and hit him from there, then your rigs will help a lot. But when faced with a laser/torp boat all you can hope for is to neut his tank/damage before he melts your face because your dps or tank surely won't make you win the fight. The rigs you use are very useful for fleetcombat or gates but close to useless in a 1 vs 1 unless you stay out of webbing range, within webrange the damage you gain due to the lower falloff penalty isn't worth it. What it comes down to is that most Minnie ships are made to dogfight, this concept doesn't really translate too well to BS's and it'll also mean that your fights will either end quickly because you die or take eons and make you win (which means you're VERY vulnerable to incoming hostiles). It's just sub optimal tbh. This style of combat screams for ECM drones, first of all you WANT the fight to last a long time which means your ECM (statistically) will help you more and you'll be able to break their DPS/web meaning you buy yourself time and can start dictating range. Self-proclaimed idiot
Thercon Jair Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.03.07 13:33:00 - [8] I don't like mixing drones, especially nowadays after QR. I usually go with 5 valkyrie IIs and 5 warrior IIs. That way I can use them as additional damage against BS, against cruisers where the valkyries are quite nice, and the warriors against frigates. I hate to fly around specifically to put out as much DPS as possible, yet I then lack the defense against smaller targets. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 13:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Thercon Jair I don't like mixing drones, especially nowadays after QR. I usually go with 5 valkyrie IIs and 5 warrior IIs. That way I can use them as additional damage against BS, against cruisers where the valkyries are quite nice, and the warriors against frigates. I hate to fly around specifically to put out as much DPS as possible, yet I then lack the defense against smaller targets. Yes it's after what each others prefer to use and how you fight. I haven't had a problem to scare off many frigs with my drone setup. So for me it have worked good so far. But yeah, i'm gonna try out some more drone setups to see how they perform against all kinds of ships. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.07 13:49:00 - [10] Uhm, in that movie you actually get a jam off and you stay in his optimal? You sure you're a Minnie pilot? :P Self-proclaimed idiot
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 13:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Tzar'rim Uhm, in that movie you actually get a jam off and you stay in his optimal? You sure you're a Minnie pilot? :P Hehe. Well you probably see that when i jammed him that i was trying to align out. But i just changed my mind in 2 secs after that. Simply because it wouldn't directly be a fair fight if i had gone outside of the web range. The Megathron would lose badly then if i had done that. One of the reasons of that fight was to see how well my Tempest is against a Blaster Mega. And i think it lasted pretty good tbh. So that's why i continued to stay in web range. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:04:00 - [12] Edited by: Shigsy on 07/03/2009 14:05:04 You lost against an active tanked blasterthron in a dual neut pest.... WITH ECM DRONES Wow, you're worse than i thought... Also, geddon will lol** you. Just because you have an extra 10% em or whatever, means ** all. Seriously, do you actually pvp?
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:10:00 - [13] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 14:15:30 Originally by: Shigsy Edited by: Shigsy on 07/03/2009 14:05:04 You lost against an active tanked blasterthron in a dual neut pest.... WITH ECM DRONES Wow, you're worse than i thought... Also, geddon will lol** you. Just because you have an extra 10% em or whatever, means ** all. Seriously, do you actually pvp? You haven't seen me tank 2x geddons or 2x Torp Raven's with EM torps in my Tempest no?. I'll guess so. Ok, shut up before you talk crap dude. Those 10% more EM resist is actually 20% better EM resist than you have on a Megathron if you look at it that way. And you should also know that in some cases the Active tank -> passive tank. So in this case, it's true. I was fighting an active tanked Navy Mega on sisi in my 317k EHP Passive Navy Mega like 2 weeks ago. Who do you think who won that fight?. But this topic is about a Tempest though. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:15:00 - [14] I'd love to see you tank 4k dps in your pest, i really would. I imagine though, you're just burning off in some random direction until you get out of range or something like that. I never said rep tanks were bad, infact, they're quite good. You're just bad. Verrryyyy bad. The fact is, you couldn't beat a cap chewing setup, with dual neuts, and in a pest, with ecm drones. Thats not a sign that the megathron was better tanked, it was a sign that you're crap at this game. You constantly go on and on about how the tempest is perfectly fine, yet you know **** all. Its one of the most underpowered bs ingame, and the only reason people fly it is for the sexy look of it (omg <3 sails) or for the same reason people fly rifters instead of inties etc, for a challenge. Get off your high horse, you're a crap pilot, yet you seem to think you're king of the tempest or something. Stop posting and go learn to pvp or something.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:17:00 - [15] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 14:17:27 Originally by: Shigsy I'd love to see you tank 4k dps in your pest, i really would. I imagine though, you're just burning off in some random direction until you get out of range or something like that. I never said rep tanks were bad, infact, they're quite good. You're just bad. Verrryyyy bad. The fact is, you couldn't beat a cap chewing setup, with dual neuts, and in a pest, with ecm drones. Thats not a sign that the megathron was better tanked, it was a sign that you're crap at this game. You constantly go on and on about how the tempest is perfectly fine, yet you know **** all. Its one of the most underpowered bs ingame, and the only reason people fly it is for the sexy look of it (omg <3 sails) or for the same reason people fly rifters instead of inties etc, for a challenge. Get off your high horse, you're a crap pilot, yet you seem to think you're king of the tempest or something. Stop posting and go learn to pvp or something. Uhm, you want me to make you a fraps of me tanking 2x Geddons or 2x Torp ravens who shoot EM torps?. I'm sure all is going to lol at you when you can see that fraps. Because it's true that the Tempest is a VERY hard nut to crack when it's about taking EM damages on the ships. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:18:00 - [16] If you fit 2 em hardeners, im literally going to laugh at you. Also, pvp isn't about going, SHOOT ME WITH EM, IM TANKED AGAINST THAT PLEASE. Seriously, just stop posting.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:22:00 - [17] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 14:23:07 Originally by: Shigsy If you fit 2 em hardeners, im literally going to laugh at you. Also, pvp isn't about going, SHOOT ME WITH EM, IM TANKED AGAINST THAT PLEASE. Seriously, just stop posting. I use 1x LAR, 1x Damage Control II, 2x EANM II's and one Gyrostab t2 in low slot on my Tempest. And i use 3x t1 Trimarks to. And because of that, my EM and Thermal resists is the highest resists on my ship. My EM resist is at 80% and the Thermal resist is at 68%. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:30:00 - [18] Edited by: Shigsy on 07/03/2009 14:31:02 Im still waiting on this fraps.... edit: do they have to use em drones too? You know, to make it a fair test...
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:31:00 - [19] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 14:34:52 Originally by: Shigsy Edited by: Shigsy on 07/03/2009 14:31:02 Im still waiting on this fraps.... edit: do they have to use em drones too? You know, to make it a fair test... Yeah, it take a little while to download 1.4 GB with patch to sisi and then install it, so just take it easy. No they don't have to use EM drones. They can use whatever they want to use as drones. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Galluzzi	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:40:00 - [20] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 14:34:52 Originally by: Shigsy Edited by: Shigsy on 07/03/2009 14:31:02 Im still waiting on this fraps.... edit: do they have to use em drones too? You know, to make it a fair test... Yeah, it take a little while to download 1.4 GB with patch to sisi and then install it, so just take it easy. No they don't have to use EM drones. They can use whatever they want to use as drones. OMG, you dont have a SiSi client installed
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Galluzzi Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 14:34:52 Originally by: Shigsy Edited by: Shigsy on 07/03/2009 14:31:02 Im still waiting on this fraps.... edit: do they have to use em drones too? You know, to make it a fair test... Yeah, it take a little while to download 1.4 GB with patch to sisi and then install it, so just take it easy. No they don't have to use EM drones. They can use whatever they want to use as drones. OMG, you dont have a SiSi client installed I had, but i have been very busy the last 2 weeks, and by those 2 weeks it have been some new patches and that, so i decided to take the easy way of just reinstalling Sisi from the TQ patch version. Instead of installing 874396743985734 other patches heh. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:43:00 - [22] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 07/03/2009 14:43:14 @Galluzzi Stop being a tool, lately there have been updates to sisi on an almost daily basis, requiring a hefty update most of the time. Go find your rock and crawl under it. Self-proclaimed idiot
Zubakis Bambooule	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 07/03/2009 14:43:14 @Galluzzi Stop being a tool, lately there have been updates to sisi on an almost daily basis, requiring a hefty update most of the time. Go find your rock and crawl under it. Chill. If you would know NightmareX, you would know his SiSi storys. I was just shocked, he hadnt an actual SiSi client. Well the joke failed i think ... -- Zuba
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.07 14:59:00 - [24] The only joke here is nightmarex.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 15:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Shigsy The only joke here is nightmarex. Hah, no, your the joke here, because you can't proove me wrong. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.07 15:23:00 - [26] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 15:08:43 Originally by: Shigsy The only joke here is nightmarex. Hah, no, your the joke here, because you can't proove me wrong. But yes. I had a reformat of my Windows Web Server 2008 (64-bit) some few days ago, so everything is not up and running yet. Why would I have to prove you wrong when you're the one making the stupid claims...? Surely you should be the one proving to me that your tempest can tank 4k+ dps...?
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 15:25:00 - [27] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 15:25:47 Originally by: Shigsy Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 15:08:43 Originally by: Shigsy The only joke here is nightmarex. Hah, no, your the joke here, because you can't proove me wrong. But yes. I had a reformat of my Windows Web Server 2008 (64-bit) some few days ago, so everything is not up and running yet. Why would I have to prove you wrong when you're the one making the stupid claims...? Surely you should be the one proving to me that your tempest can tank 4k+ dps...? When does 2x geddons or 2x Torp Raven's do 4k+ DPS?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Shigsy Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.07 15:42:00 - [28] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 15:25:47 Originally by: Shigsy Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/03/2009 15:08:43 Originally by: Shigsy The only joke here is nightmarex. Hah, no, your the joke here, because you can't proove me wrong. But yes. I had a reformat of my Windows Web Server 2008 (64-bit) some few days ago, so everything is not up and running yet. Why would I have to prove you wrong when you're the one making the stupid claims...? Surely you should be the one proving to me that your tempest can tank 4k+ dps...? When does 2x geddons or 2x Torp Raven's do 4k+ DPS?. Misread it as 2 geddons and 2 torp ravens, but point still stands. You're not tanking 2.5k dps, especially if they are using berserkers/valks...
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.07 15:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Shigsy Misread it as 2 geddons and 2 torp ravens, but point still stands. You're not tanking 2.5k dps, especially if they are using berserkers/valks... All i can say now is just wait and see. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
pushdogg Minmatar Vermin.	Posted - 2009.03.07 16:18:00 - [30] godspeed nightmare, i hope your tempest is satisfactory enough to make me want to train t2 large projectiles, i too love the model and wish i could come up with a better setup than remote rep/gank. there also seems to be a bit of hostility in this post.....in reference to shigsy, have you ever piloted a tempest?, or should you stick to ganking frigs on the rancer gate with 3 other bs's and dozens on standby? best sig ever:) Originally by: Soul Harvestor You're an idiot.

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