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Raven Timoshenko
Oberon Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.07 08:00:00 -
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New players generally are intimidated by the fact that Pvp incurs losses not only in ships but possible implants. So most players generally play it safe and start grinding with a particular NPC faction to get to that magic 8.0 to get a Jump clone. Unfortunately most players then start getting fed up of the grind to get to 8.0 especially if they are on a trial account or find the grind too boring.
My suggestion is simply give a new player a faction standing of 8.0 with the STARTING ACADEMY corporation of their race. An Example would be the Pator Tech school.
Provide only a few stations scattered within the empire's region with the medical facility so that the privilige is not abused too much.
This way new players can train up for a JC and jump between their learning implants clone and thier Pvp clone and get an earlier taste for Pvp.
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Raven Timoshenko
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.08 03:27:00 -
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Cap II
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.08 05:07:00 -
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This is actually a really good idea
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Aethrwolf
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Posted - 2009.03.08 05:52:00 -
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not bad.. might work assuming new players are aware of jump clones.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.08 09:54:00 -
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So you want free jump clones for everyone? Way to eliminate the standing requirements that needs to be worked for. Jump clones are earned, an achievement. Even with only a single jump clone station available you can get all the jump clones you ever need. This is not a good idea.
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Callista Sincera
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Posted - 2009.03.08 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Callista Sincera on 08/03/2009 10:31:01
 Originally by: Aethrwolf
not bad.. might work assuming new players are aware of jump clones.
I know I was. Once I had my second account . CCP should add one page about jump clones to the NPE tutorials.
Originally by: Abrazzar
So you want free jump clones for everyone? Way to eliminate the standing requirements that needs to be worked for. Jump clones are earned, an achievement. Even with only a single jump clone station available you can get all the jump clones you ever need. This is not a good idea.
So let me guess. You hated the grind and now you want others to have to do the same . Not much of a reason. Especially since it's mighty inconvenient to only have half a hand full of stations all located in one specific empire where you can create jump clones.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.08 11:15:00 -
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/signed...good idea, mebbe increase training time multiplier 1 level to stop the butt hurt standings whiner up there
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.03.08 11:17:00 -
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Well they can get jumplones already without grinding standings, but i'm not telling ya how. It just takes a bit of will and risk, and this is risk vs reward game.
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Raven Timoshenko
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.08 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Well they can get jump clones already without grinding standings, but i'm not telling ya how. It just takes a bit of will and risk, and this is risk vs reward game.
All well and good.
But the point is about NEW players who have no idea about the game and would like to explore pvp, and therefore get into it WITHOUT having to take too muc risk initially. Since the JCs are only available in the academy schools of the starting faction, this offsets the potential abuse.
If EVE wants to grow it should allow for a means for new players to get into pvp without all the added stress of loosing their implants especially when your starting out and are short on cash.
When you have 20Million SP to your name and a billion in your wallet you can afford to take risks, but when your just starting out and have invested a lot of money and time into implants and ships, your not going to take much risk simply because the cost is too high.
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.03.08 16:43:00 -
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Wrong, you risk pretty much the same as vet or newb, in relation to your wallet (player with 2m bankroll will fly 200k ships, playe with 10b will fly 200m ships) and same goes with implants, newb got half of +1 set which is all he is risking while vet flys with +4 set + hardwirings worth a lot more.
And to get know-how about jumpclones (standingless), he simply must look a bit for information and then run for it with his shuttle.
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203
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.08 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: 203 on 08/03/2009 17:53:09
Originally by: Valandril
Well they can get jumplones already without grinding standings, but i'm not telling ya how. It just takes a bit of will and risk, and this is risk vs reward game.
Lemme Guess... Jump Clone Corps with a particular Standing toward that Faction / Corp? That charge for Invites and kick you once you have your clone(s)?
It's all fun and Games 'till someone's broke :)
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.03.08 17:59:00 -
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You can get that service even for free, and it's another riskless way to get jumpclones, just takes a bit of brain.
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:23:00 -
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Very good idea I actually joined a corp for a while who let me get a free jump clone because I was sick of grinding. Not having a jump clone was one of the reasons I never entered 0.0
Originally by: Abrazzar
So you want free jump clones for everyone? Way to eliminate the standing requirements that needs to be worked for. Jump clones are earned, an achievement. Even with only a single jump clone station available you can get all the jump clones you ever need. This is not a good idea.
Have you ever though about this:
Join a big alliance with an outpost and get a free jumpclone there. This is a way to avoid the standing grind.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
So you want free jump clones for everyone? Way to eliminate the standing requirements that needs to be worked for. Jump clones are earned, an achievement. Even with only a single jump clone station available you can get all the jump clones you ever need. This is not a good idea.
To be honest, grinding missions for a couple of months is neither 'work' nor 'an achievement'. It annoys me that there are not more ways to get standing to be honest. Factional warefare is great for the standing boosts, but that still means that there are only 2 ways to get standings. Personally, I think you should get standings for killing rats of the opposing pirate faction, and possibly standings for trading in their stations.
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:22:00 -
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Good idea. There's no reason to have to work for jumpclones, and if they were readily available it would indeed encourage people to take more risks early on. Having a standing requirement for jumpclones pushes people into missioning for a long time, and by the time they get to the standing required for jumpclones, they're already entrenched in the carebear mentality so many of those players won't want to take risks even with jumpclones. I know that to be true for me, and I know that's true for a lot of others as well.
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David Grogan
Gallente
The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: David Grogan on 08/03/2009 19:27:19
Edited by: David Grogan on 08/03/2009 19:25:58
it would be easier to just reduce the required standing to 2.0 so people can use jump clones but as a drawback the jump clone can only support upto 5 mil skill points
4.0 standing lets u have upto 10 mil sp supported on that clone
6.0 standing upto 20mil sp supported on that clone
to get a full skill point supporting jump clone you would still need 8.0 standing
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:54:00 -
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or simply remove the standings requirement entirely. Jump Clones are a pvp tool they should remove any PVE "requirement" to attain them. It sends the wrong message early on and as stated previously, too many newbs get stuck in that mentality.
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Valandril
Caldari
Isks R Us
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Posted - 2009.03.08 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
or simply remove the standings requirement entirely. Jump Clones are a pvp tool they should remove any PVE "requirement" to attain them. It sends the wrong message early on and as stated previously, too many newbs get stuck in that mentality.
There is more than one way to get jump clones, pick which one you preffer. Carebears will get this for free as a "bonus".
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.03.08 21:19:00 -
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This is actually a pretty good idea, given that the stations where the JCs could be would be severely limited...
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.03.08 22:03:00 -
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Actually you should almost never lose your pod in high and low sec.
The probem is rather that new players don't know how to safe their pod.
When it comes to 0.0 I think it's ok to require the players to put in some effort (8.0 standing and jump clones).
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Raven Timoshenko
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.09 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Actually you should almost never lose your pod in high and low sec.
The probem is rather that new players don't know how to safe their pod.
When it comes to 0.0 I think it's ok to require the players to put in some effort (8.0 standing and jump clones).
If your in 0.0 chances are your part of an alliance which has access to an outpost (either their own or through third parties) so faction grind becomes meaningless anyway.
Again I reiterate, the point is to get total newbies into pvp so they stay for PvP rather than waste time in the grind. Grinding for faction should not be their first experience IMO, this just means people leave out of boredom and frustration. n
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Raven Timoshenko
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.09 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: David Grogan
Edited by: David Grogan on 08/03/2009 19:27:19
Edited by: David Grogan on 08/03/2009 19:25:58
it would be easier to just reduce the required standing to 2.0 so people can use jump clones but as a drawback the jump clone can only support upto 5 mil skill points
4.0 standing lets u have upto 10 mil sp supported on that clone
6.0 standing upto 20mil sp supported on that clone
to get a full skill point supporting jump clone you would still need 8.0 standing
This wouldn't be a bad idea actually, since generally pilots who have developed a taste for Pvp move onto a dedicated corp or alliance with access to JCs anyway.
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Sincera
Originally by: Abrazzar
So you want free jump clones for everyone? Way to eliminate the standing requirements that needs to be worked for. Jump clones are earned, an achievement. Even with only a single jump clone station available you can get all the jump clones you ever need. This is not a good idea.
So let me guess. You hated the grind and now you want others to have to do the same. Not much of a reason. Especially since it's mighty inconvenient to only have half a hand full of stations all located in one specific empire where you can create jump clones.
You know that even if you have ONE station only giving out jclones for free you can have as many clones as you want and place them wherever you want? Jump Clones are an achievement, you have to win the trust of either NPC (by grinding) or player (by joining) corps. They are not something you give out for free, they are like faction ships, something you have to work for... and they are definitely NOT needed for pvp, especially not the 0.1+ sec warfare. They didn't even exist some time ago.
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Enthral
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Posted - 2009.03.09 08:58:00 -
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I still claim that people either want to PvP or don't. It's a personality thing.
The shame is, I think a lot of people who are PvP adverse would, if given some guidance and a taste of what it is like, would really enjoy it and have a lot of fun.
Perhaps another issue is that newbies often label people who PvP as rude psychopaths who laugh at the misery of others. Most of us aren't, but I bet "first contact" for most n00bs with PvP is by this small class of people.
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Raven Timoshenko
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.09 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
You know that even if you have ONE station only giving out jclones for free you can have as many clones as you want and place them wherever you want? Jump Clones are an achievement, you have to win the trust of either NPC (by grinding) or player (by joining) corps. They are not something you give out for free, they are like faction ships, something you have to work for... and they are definitely NOT needed for pvp, especially not the 0.1+ sec warfare. They didn't even exist some time ago.
Its not much of an achievement if I can say, join an alliance which has an outpost and install a jump clone, or pay a corporation with faction standings to install one. The faction grind has been bypassed by many players who now have some experience with the game.
New players generally don't know the game well enough to learn these tricks, or are discouraged from Pvp due to - from their perspective - a high risk for very little return.
Your comment about "them not existing a long time ago" is irrelevant. WTZ, Align too, T2 ships, freighters, Orcas, and a host of other such features didnt exist along time ago. So what? How does that matter?
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Filan Fyretracker
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:57:00 -
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removing the security loss from shooting first in low sec would go miles for pvp, keep it for podding though. if shooting other ships in so called semi lawless space didnt cause security loss you can bet the pirates would get some more people bucking up and challenging them.
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