EVE Search - "EVE is a PvP Game"

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

"EVE is a PvP Game" - No, it isn't.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:13:00 - [1] I hear it over and over on these forums and to some extent in-game "EVE is a PvP game, your pitiful PvE/industrial/exploratory ways are inferior", or some permutation of the former. This statement puts EVE into a box that it should never be put into. EVE is not merely a PvE game or a PvP game, it is, as most MMOs strive to be, a world to play in. You could call EVE a "mining simulation" too, but nobody does because anyone who isn't a complete idiot knows that EVE is much more than that. To call EVE merely a PvP game is wrong, and to put it simply, an insult to what the developers of the game have tried to achieve in creating a world where players can decide what they want to do. What makes EVE great is the very fact that it can't be described as a simple "X type of game". This game is nothing without choices, and while I'm not saying everyone needs to enjoy every playstyle, there is no such thing as a playstyle in EVE that is not valid, whether it be mining, researching, nullsec warring, hisec mission running, exploring, or jumping into a newbie ship for some roleplaying. tl;dr - Cut it out.
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:29:00 - [2] Oh, you are so wrong. Quote: It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game, but in a broader sense of the word. This is also why both terms are in quotes. Imagine me with a beer making 'air quotes' (think Doctor Evil but without the attitude) when I say PvP and PvE. We consider almost every activity in EVE to be "PvP". We've touched on this before, the basic example always used is that, you as a pilot doing a mission for an agent ties into a lot of elements where you are competing with other players. "PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale. You're competing in price and supply. Great, a philosophy lecture Sorry about that, wasn't my intention, but I felt it important define the context before continuing. All EVE players experience different playstyles, you can take long term tours of duty in certain areas of the game or you're more into the jack of all trades. The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game. Look at the previous context before determing that we're only talking about fleet battles. And ^that is a direct quote from Dev CCP Oveur. Originally by: AkRoYeR ...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die! Best game ever!
Holy Lowlander Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:35:00 - [3] too ... much ... treads .... about...this....subject
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame To call EVE merely a PvP game is wrong, and to put it simply, an insult to what the developers of the game have tried to achieve in creating a world where players can decide what they want to do. Everything you do in this game is in competition with other players. Thus, everything in this game is PvP. The devs have said so themselves, and would probably be rather insulted by your suggestion that it isn't. Quote: tl;dr - Cut it out. No. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Xindi Kraid Gene Works	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:38:00 - [5] OP is wrong EVE IS a PvP game. Everything is PvP. Miners compete to mine more than the others. Builders seek to build more stuff more cheaply, everyone seeks to buy as low as possible and sell as high as possible with the more rabid traders undercutting each other as soon as they can. You are always engaged in combat against other players, and EvE itself. ALWAYS -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye'
Graelyn Amarr Order of Catharsis	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:39:00 - [6] To see such an impassioned rant for such an incorrect opinion is...epic. Grandmaster, [OCATH] War Monastery and Brewery
Spenz Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame stuff Well technically no matter what you do, eve IS a pvp game. Let's take mining for example. Nowadays you are competing against market sharks, rival mining corps, macros, ore thieves, and pirates. Some of them are clearly hostile, some of them are benign, yet ALL of them are PVP. What about industry? You are constantly competing with other producers to sell your wares without taking too much of a profit hit, while there are also the Sunday Sellers who sell stuff well below cost just to make a quick isk. Are any of these dangerous? No, but they are all pvp. Those are just 2 examples of how pvp is everywhere. Let's just say that eve is a pvp game no matter your profession. Its very essence is pvp. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:46:00 - [8] I assume the OP was using the more normal definition of PvP = player killing. Not the broader sense of the word that the devs use. Eve is only a PvP only game if you use PvP to mean competition against players. If you use the normal and original definition then PvP means players killing players so Eve is not a PvP only game. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank
Khrillian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:49:00 - [9] As others have said, there is no activity in EVE that isn't competitive.
Jaunis legion industries ltd	Posted - 2009.03.08 09:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Pottsey I assume the OP was using the more normal definition of PvP = player killing. Not the broader sense of the word that the devs use. Eve is only a PvP only game if you use PvP to mean competition against players. If you use the normal and original definition then PvP means players killing players so Eve is not a PvP only game.
Alex Raptos Caldari The Firestorm Millennium	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Khrillian As others have said, there is no activity in EVE that isn't competitive. Station spinning?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:01:00 - [12] Edited by: Abrazzar on 08/03/2009 10:04:24 Combat is only one side of PvP. If I buy out your underpriced stock and add it to my overpriced stock, this too, is PvP. If I salvage your wrecks, this too, is PvP. If I mine out the belts you were mining in, this too, is PvP. If I sell you a Raven for 300mil, this too, is PvP. If I do something that screws with whatever you're doing, it is PvP. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:02:00 - [13] Edited by: Tippia on 08/03/2009 10:02:37 Originally by: Pottsey I assume the OP was using the more normal definition of PvP = player killing. Not the broader sense of the word that the devs use. Sure, but that's because the "normal" definition came out of a ruleset where PK was the only form of PvP, and is a rather late development. Quote: If you use the normal and original definition then PvP means players killing players so Eve is not a PvP only game. The "normal and original" definition was "Player vs. Player" (and was used in the good old BBS days when there was no killing involved) and that fits the bill just perfectly for what seeps out every pore of EVE. It's just unfortunate that lack of innovation and rampant me-too-ism in game mechanics has narrowed people's views to what it actually means over the years, to the point where some can't distunguish between those two related — but separate — concepts. Originally by: Alex Raptos Originally by: Khrillian As others have said, there is no activity in EVE that isn't competitive. Station spinning? I can spin faster than you! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Xindi Kraid Gene Works	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Alex Raptos Originally by: Khrillian As others have said, there is no activity in EVE that isn't competitive. Station spinning? No thats just losing at the time=money game -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye'
Callista Sincera	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:13:00 - [15] Quote: It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game, but in a broader sense of the word. This is also why both terms are in quotes. Imagine me with a beer making 'air quotes' (think Doctor Evil but without the attitude) when I say PvP and PvE. We consider almost every activity in EVE to be "PvP". We've touched on this before, the basic example always used is that, you as a pilot doing a mission for an agent ties into a lot of elements where you are competing with other players. "PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale. You're competing in price and supply. OP is "correct". He simply has a different idea of what he considers to be PvP. I think he wants to say that Eve is not just a "pew me, pew you (and your brothers!)" game.
OMGJITA	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:19:00 - [16] Edited by: OMGJITA on 08/03/2009 10:19:16 Originally by: Pottsey I assume the OP was using the more normal definition of PvP = player killing. Not the broader sense of the word that the devs use. Eve is only a PvP only game if you use PvP to mean competition against players. If you use the normal and original definition then PvP means players killing players so Eve is not a PvP only game. without sound like a t1t, no. Player killing = PK PvP = Player Vrs Player. always been like that, you just make assumptions in "your" definitions. EvE IS A PVP GAME, 100%, that does not always mean PK tho.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:23:00 - [17] 1) Eve is a PvP game. 2) Not all PvP involves shooting other players. 3) OP is wrong. That is all.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 08/03/2009 10:36:11 Quote: OP is "correct". He simply has a different idea of what he considers to be PvP. I think he wants to say that Eve is not just a "pew me, pew you (and your brothers!)" game. Yes, but that's just stating the obvious. "EVE is a PvP game" only makes any sense, if PvP is interpreted in a broad way. As the OP said anyone who isn't a complete idiot should know this. And the people who say, that EVE is a PvP game do know that. Anyway, the OPs point is stop being mean to others because they play the game differently and give hugs and be understanding instead. This is clearly stated in the tl;dr part. Or maybe that is just me trying to see some reason for the posting of this thread.
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:40:00 - [19] Mining, researching, manufacturing.. You're still PvP'ing on market and competing with other players.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:46:00 - [20] In before... after the usual forum trolls claim that NPCing is PVP because you are shooting rats that someone else could be shooting instead! How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:47:00 - [21] There are plenty of ways to play this game that makes you not PVP but it's always funny to see the PVP crowd overreact on any topic like this. If you stay off the market and only take what noone wants (and there thus is no competition for) anyway, and or that which spawns for you personally (missions). ---
Jess Pole Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:51:00 - [22] eve is a pvpppppppppppppppppp game !!!! Vote CAT 4 CSM !!!! ___________________________________
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.08 10:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah There are plenty of ways to play this game that makes you not PVP Such as…? Quote: If you stay off the market and only take what noone wants (and there thus is no competition for) anyway, and or that which spawns for you personally (missions). …sure, but why would you want to fly a noobship forever? Or well, I suppose some of the tutorial missions give you a T1 frigate or so, but that's as far as you can go without competing with others. Also, the problem with this attitude is that it assumes that you can always choose whether or not to PvP. You can't. Others can at any point make that chocie for you and you have no say in the matter. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.08 11:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah There are plenty of ways to play this game that makes you not PVP but it's always funny to see the PVP crowd overreact on any topic like this. Also, it's always funny to see the arrogant ***s crowd overreact and tell CCP how their own game should be made and played. Originally by:** CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
Primnproper	Posted - 2009.03.08 11:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame I hear it over and over on these forums and to some extent in-game "EVE is a PvP game, your pitiful PvE/industrial/exploratory ways are inferior", or some permutation of the former. This statement puts EVE into a box that it should never be put into. EVE is not merely a PvE game or a PvP game, it is, as most MMOs strive to be, a world to play in. You could call EVE a "mining simulation" too, but nobody does because anyone who isn't a complete idiot knows that EVE is much more than that. To call EVE merely a PvP game is wrong, and to put it simply, an insult to what the developers of the game have tried to achieve in creating a world where players can decide what they want to do. What makes EVE great is the very fact that it can't be described as a simple "X type of game". This game is nothing without choices, and while I'm not saying everyone needs to enjoy every playstyle, there is no such thing as a playstyle in EVE that is not valid, whether it be mining, researching, nullsec warring, hisec mission running, exploring, or jumping into a newbie ship for some roleplaying. tl;dr - Cut it out. Ignoring the usual semantics argument that takes place in these threads... Most of the distain, which is normally aimed at those who only like to mission, mine or trade is not nessisarily because they want to mine, mission or trade, its because thats all they want to do... And by only taking part in one small area of the game they not only are missing out on so much of what eve has to offer, they are also reducing the numbers of people available to play with (and I do not just mean gank) in the other areas of the game. And by staying so focused in one area of play they develope very narrow views of whats good for the game and then campaign on the forums for such things at the expense of the game itself. Of course there are only pvp people who are just as guilty of this. But the majority of the pvpers I know also run missions, trade, invent, produce and some even mine becuase pvp takes a lot of isk to support it sometimes (unless your amazing at it anyway ) and becuase of this they end up seeing a lot more of the game and developing ideas of how to change the game which fit it with it as a whole instead of only benefiting one style of play at the expense of all others. Again of course this is not always true there are those who only pvp and only want changes which benefit pvp, but give them 6 months or so and they'll be skint and needing to engage in some sort of isk making activities, at which point there horizons will be expanded. Whereas the people who only every play to make isk will never be force by circumstance to play the game another way (and no war decs don't count cus most of the time they corp hop or just hide untill the deccers get bored and give up) and so they only ever care about boosting their playstyle at the expense of all others. And I think the final reason why there is such a movement to change their playstyles is cus to the rest of us only playing to make isk sounds so bloody boring and we can't understand how someone can still be playing this game for more than a couple of months doing only isk making activities. We just want you to come and join in with the fun, thats why we want peeps forced into lowsec and the like, because we think if you only gave it a try you might like it and then we'd have more peeps to play with (both to kill and be killed by) which could only be good. ... Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.08 11:07:00 - [26] Can i have the stuff that the OP owns in this PVP game? THIS is my main.
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2009.03.08 11:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Tippia àsure, but why would you want to fly a noobship forever? Or well, I suppose some of the tutorial missions give you a T1 frigate or so, but that's as far as you can go without competing with others. Wrong. Originally by: Tippia Also, the problem with this attitude is that it assumes that you can always choose whether or not to PvP. You can't. Others can at any point make that chocie for you and you have no say in the matter. At which point you press the cloak button and wait and wait and wait. I think I waited for over 3 hours once. It's easy to see that kind of people coming. ---
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.03.08 11:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah There are plenty of ways to play this game that makes you not PVP but it's always funny to see the PVP crowd overreact on any topic like this. If you stay off the market and only take what noone wants (and there thus is no competition for) anyway, and or that which spawns for you personally (missions). And this is proof why the CSM System doesn't work. We have someone "Speaking for us" who doesn't understand the basic underpinning of this game. Like one of the posters above said, EVERY aspect of this game is PVP. There is no aspect of this game that doesn't involve PVP. Because with anything in this game that involves you in a ship of ANY type, you are PVPing. even just "Sight seeing" is a pvp activity. You may not be actually FIGHTING, but you ARE dodging other players. That's player vs player interaction. Now. If you want to talk about player vs player COMBAT, that's more limited. But is STILL integral to this game.
Alex Raptos Caldari The Firestorm Millennium	Posted - 2009.03.08 11:18:00 - [29] Edited by: Alex Raptos on 08/03/2009 11:19:22 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Tippia Also, the problem with this attitude is that it assumes that you can always choose whether or not to PvP. You can't. Others can at any point make that chocie for you and you have no say in the matter. At which point you press the cloak button and wait and wait and wait. I think I waited for over 3 hours once. It's easy to see that kind of people coming. When you cloak and deny someone your kill, or make them waste 6 hours sitting outside a station/hunting you in space, Thats PvP.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.08 11:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Tippia …sure, but why would you want to fly a noobship forever? Or well, I suppose some of the tutorial missions give you a T1 frigate or so, but that's as far as you can go without competing with others. Wrong. Again, examples? Quote: At which point you press the cloak button and wait and wait and wait. I think I waited for over 3 hours once. It's easy to see that kind of people coming. And you're confusing PvP with combat. A cloak button doesn't save you from PvP. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.

!!!! Vote CAT 4 CSM !!!!