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ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:03:00 -
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The CSM was very surprised a few months ago to discover that the forum moderation team had placed itself beyond the purview of the CSM. The reasoning behind this was stated by Wrangler as being that the CSM is meant to deal with game issues and the forums are somehow separate from this. I move that this is a farcical conclusion, and that the forums are very much a part of the game. If that is not the case then why have forums at all? Why maintain them? Why have forums based on the game if they provide no benefit or have no impact on the game?
Alliances and corporations do indeed action based on what happens on the forums. As such I say that the forums are very much a part of the game and the forum moderation team is just as in need of the CSM's oversight as anything else.
I will not delve into specifics except to say that at a high level, someone needs to be responsible and there DOES need to be oversight regarding actions taken on behalf of the community on these forums. This thread will serve as a discussion point for that subject and I believe personally that the CSM NEEDS to get involved, as the moderation team has been found wanting. Why should the forums be treated any different than any other aspect of Eve? What about the forums is so magical that they should be able to operate with immunity? This is stupid.
Discuss.
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MASSIVEMURDERMACHINE
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:06:00 -
[2]
Edited by: MASSIVEMURDERMACHINE on 09/03/2009 06:06:26
I agree that a greater degree of transparency would benefit everyone involved. |
Frabba
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:07:00 -
[3]
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Lady Lard
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:07:00 -
[4]
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:08:00 -
[5]
this is going to be an interesting discussion
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My Blog |
TheFrabbot
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:09:00 -
[6]
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Proud American
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:09:00 -
[7]
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VCBee2777
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:10:00 -
[8]
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Pringlescan
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:10:00 -
[9]
Yes
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NotaTitan
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:11:00 -
[10]
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Gordo Bajiru
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:11:00 -
[11]
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CowsCANBark
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:12:00 -
[12]
free DJ
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Futt Bucker
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:12:00 -
[13]
signed.
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UglyNoreally
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:13:00 -
[14]
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SodiumCyanide
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:13:00 -
[15]
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SauI Tigh
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:13:00 -
[16]
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Dungar's Sister
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:13:00 -
[17]
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Freedom Kick
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:14:00 -
[18]
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Aruhcu
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:14:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Aruhcu on 09/03/2009 06:14:28
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:15:00 -
[20]
No moderation without representation
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Winchestori
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:15:00 -
[21]
yep
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Shingi Yo
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:15:00 -
[22]
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Incoming Call
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:16:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Incoming Call on 09/03/2009 06:16:20
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Rapturea
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:16:00 -
[24]
When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear. -jack handy |
Martin Unsmith
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:17:00 -
[25]
agreed
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Wax Leprotic
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:18:00 -
[26]
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Khatlesh
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:18:00 -
[27]
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Nortseddar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:19:00 -
[28]
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Man Juicer
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:19:00 -
[29]
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:20:00 -
[30]
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Willem Dafofo
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:20:00 -
[31]
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Godek
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:20:00 -
[32]
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Willem Dafofo
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:21:00 -
[33]
Allowing the players self governance can only lead us to greater heights than ever before.
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Callie L'Aliel
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:22:00 -
[34]
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Zenethalos
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:22:00 -
[35]
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Kai Selaedon
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:23:00 -
[36]
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Rotnac
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:23:00 -
[37]
Hell yes.
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Xina Schwartzhog
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:24:00 -
[38]
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Bruce O'Neil
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:24:00 -
[39]
Yes. Let's discuss this issue. |
Kuzim Blaky'all
Recycling and Recovery
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:24:00 -
[40]
dawg dig it, a dawg got a thin to say but a dawg keepin re-re pose silen dig, aint no say for a dawg
be safe
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Ivas
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:25:00 -
[41]
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Karfu
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:26:00 -
[42]
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Samson Savage
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:27:00 -
[43]
Who watches the watchmen? |
pixaal
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:27:00 -
[44]
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Jee Zeus
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:28:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Jee Zeus on 09/03/2009 06:29:37
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Reapeat Offender
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:29:00 -
[46]
If the forums aren't part of the game, why do we need to use our game login to obtain access in order to post? If they are not part of the game, why can actions here result in our game accounts being banned? They are as much a part of the game as anything else. They should not be excluded from the oversight of the CSM.
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Vincent Athen
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:29:00 -
[47]
I support this discussion, and might pop back in later with some actual commentary on the situation.
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Jita4real
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:29:00 -
[48]
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Space Trucka
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:30:00 -
[49]
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w00tle
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:30:00 -
[50]
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Venomire
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:31:00 -
[51]
Oversight is good.
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Spiraal
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:32:00 -
[52]
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Anela Cistine
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:33:00 -
[53]
If there are issues, it would be good for the CSM to be able to raise those issues.
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skink bunchies
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:33:00 -
[54]
I, and all delta support this message.
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pendemic
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:34:00 -
[55]
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Yuu Tzar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:36:00 -
[56]
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Althair Erin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:37:00 -
[57]
I support this
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On Hope
On Kindness |
LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:37:00 -
[58]
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BillMurray
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:38:00 -
[59]
I am Bill Murray and I support this.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:39:00 -
[60]
Absitively!
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Robert Jones
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:40:00 -
[61]
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MiserySignals
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:41:00 -
[62]
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Luciela Darkfall
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:41:00 -
[63]
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:42:00 -
[64]
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Taidetsu
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:42:00 -
[65]
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Autopilot Engaged
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:42:00 -
[66]
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Mike Yass
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:43:00 -
[67]
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Shifty Zeke
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:46:00 -
[68]
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Tac Anderson
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:47:00 -
[69]
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Daac Iomen
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:48:00 -
[70]
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Staplerfahrer Klaus
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:49:00 -
[71]
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Brennah
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:49:00 -
[72]
forum moderation should fall under the perview of the CSM. While CCP has done a great job of cleaning up the in game cronyism, there still exists the potential for forums cronyism which a careful observer can see. It is ridiculous that the forum mods are not put up to the same scrutiny every other part of the game is from the CSM.
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Dontcheck Availability
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:49:00 -
[73]
____________________
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Nigerian Prince
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:50:00 -
[74]
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Mach42
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:54:00 -
[75]
I approve
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Shailo Koljas
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:54:00 -
[76]
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Ronin Achuru
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:55:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Ronin Achuru on 09/03/2009 06:55:09
I, too, approve this message
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Cannibal BLT
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:58:00 -
[78]
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Enterthename Youdesire
JASDIP
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:08:00 -
[79]
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BCE 3AHRTO
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:12:00 -
[80]
i agree, it's time someone does something about all those goon trolls and alts!
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Frocke
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:12:00 -
[81]
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Sherkaner Lumpen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:18:00 -
[82]
I support this proposal.
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Scruffy Jed
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:19:00 -
[83]
Finally, forum moderation might get the overhaul it needs.
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hammyhamm
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:26:00 -
[84]
Overzealous forum moderation in some places and a complete lack in others is an issue. |
David Queldanis
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:29:00 -
[85]
Voting yes.
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Tichar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:30:00 -
[86]
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Alyx Alyn
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:31:00 -
[87]
confirmin' 'dis.
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Monique Seis
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:31:00 -
[88]
I too, support this notion.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:34:00 -
[89]
Vote Yes.
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Antonia Nambaun
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:36:00 -
[90]
Pro-Vote Zone.
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Max Inomus
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:37:00 -
[91]
Goons with valid points == world shattered.
Voting yes.
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Corsa Grane
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:38:00 -
[92]
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NereSky
Domination.
Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:45:00 -
[93]
Moderation should always be in the hands of CCP - however the rules for moderation and posting should be allowed to be debated
but the ultimate decision should be with CCP/Mods ect
I will not support a move that puts the power of banning a individual or entity into the hand of a CSM.
As long as the CSM has a advisory capacity to CCP on forum rules/Moderation and doesnt get involved with the punitive measures then having a CSM's interaction with CCP re the forums and its moderation has my support
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Zeph1rus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:54:00 -
[94]
Seems like a good idea
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Break Stuff
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:57:00 -
[95]
free darius johnson |
Vashan Tar
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:58:00 -
[96]
An outstanding idea.
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Superintendent Chalmers
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Posted - 2009.03.09 08:01:00 -
[97]
I like this. |
Nymblar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 08:03:00 -
[98]
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Swedish Bob
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 08:26:00 -
[99]
Non crazy moderators would be great as well.
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Cataracts
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 08:30:00 -
[100]
Sounds like a reasonable request, voted yes.
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Zabernist
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Posted - 2009.03.09 08:39:00 -
[101]
*snip* please email [email protected] with a link to the sig to find out why its been removed - hutch |
Southbound71
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 09:11:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Southbound71 on 09/03/2009 09:11:29
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JoeBlonk
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Posted - 2009.03.09 09:13:00 -
[103]
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Sethur Blackcoat
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 10:07:00 -
[104]
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Cpt Underpants
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.03.09 11:22:00 -
[105]
I want a cookie.
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Deakin Frost
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 11:35:00 -
[106]
nt
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Inappropriate sig image removed -Abdalion |
The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 12:27:00 -
[107]
While the current situation is superior to the terrible old days of ISD volunteers, there should absolutely be CSM oversight and involvment.
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Tenshiin
Duragon Pioneer Group
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 12:56:00 -
[108]
Thumbs up.
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Xerpex
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 13:16:00 -
[109]
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Tar'an Tula
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 13:19:00 -
[110]
voted checkbox
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Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.03.09 13:23:00 -
[111]
To live without Hope is to Cease to live. |
Fanzen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 13:24:00 -
[112]
i, too, voted checkbox
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Harry Besebes
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 13:45:00 -
[113]
I support this IRL
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Daylen Drazzi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 13:52:00 -
[114]
"Ya see us Goons neva lose,
If we'r dead, we'r dead so nobody cares,
If'n we win we'v won, so's only we cares
If'n we run away we always come back later
so Goons neva lose ya see?" |
FistCanBeAVerb
Recycling and Recovery
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Posted - 2009.03.09 14:21:00 -
[115]
Edited by: FistCanBeAVerb on 09/03/2009 14:25:08
re-re be all sorts of down on this mang |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.09 14:22:00 -
[116]
Forums are not a neccesary part of the game. Apart from that I'm all for draconian forum mods with absolute and non-negotiable power who only answer to CCP and are very eager to use that power in it's most destructive form.
I can understand why the crapposters/spammers of EVE might see this differently, NOT supported.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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thatboydc
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 14:54:00 -
[117]
supportin dis, if you need to have a paid subscription in order to post, that makes it part of the game and should be under the watch of CSM
if not for the forums, the biggest and most influential war in the history of eve would not have happened, as it was the result of nothing but a forum signature
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FourDrink Minimum
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:18:00 -
[118]
No moderation without representation |
Darnoth El'lyan
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:59:00 -
[119]
I don't know what's going on but I like it
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Innominate
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:02:00 -
[120]
 Originally by: FourDrink Minimum
No moderation without representation
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Talitana
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:02:00 -
[121]
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Dalmuti
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:03:00 -
[122]
no mods, no masters
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corestwo
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:05:00 -
[123]
Supported.
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captianjacksparrow
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:06:00 -
[124]
Edited by: captianjacksparrow on 09/03/2009 16:06:34
I support this
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DaiTengu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:07:00 -
[125]
The CCP moderators seem to have terrible standards. They will ban/warn for minor things, but let other, much worse things go because they are written by someone they either "like" or someone not part of a group with a reputation.
I fully support this. Someone needs to control the forum moderators.
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Sandy Juggs
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:09:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Sandy Juggs on 09/03/2009 16:09:18
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Br0ke
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:09:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
No moderation without representation
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Qlanth
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:09:00 -
[128]
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Oneiros Endlesse
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:10:00 -
[129]
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christmascaveman
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:11:00 -
[130]
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Mica Petrokov
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:11:00 -
[131]
support++
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HungWeiLo
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:11:00 -
[132]
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Angra Mainyuu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:12:00 -
[133]
No mods, no masters
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Chairman Lmao
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:12:00 -
[134]
Don't leave without me, bandwagon!
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Blast Vanderhuge
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:12:00 -
[135]
I support this product and/or service.
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SpiderWebMayhem
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:16:00 -
[136]
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Vile rat
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:17:00 -
[137]
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Ken Goku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:18:00 -
[138]
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BurntCornMuffin
Duragon Pioneer Group
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:22:00 -
[139]
I too, endorse this.
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Taedron
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:22:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Taedron on 09/03/2009 16:22:34
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Princess Anime
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:24:00 -
[141]
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Sirius Business
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:24:00 -
[142]
Sounds like a good idea.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:26:00 -
[143]
If the forums were not intended to be a "game mechanic", why was all the effort put in to tie them into the game servers rather than taking the easy (and arguably better) option of a dedicated webhost?
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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CobraStylez
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:31:00 -
[144]
I too support this idea.
ballz |
Psilocin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:32:00 -
[145]
Yase
FOFOFOOOO! |
Natika Veritas
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:34:00 -
[146]
As members of the eve player community the forums are ours, not Wrangler's. The moderators work for the community, therefore we should have every right to tell them how to do their jobs. The fact that any of them think otherwise is a major problem.
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Roeun Deiaj
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:35:00 -
[147]
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Rongar Maximus
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:36:00 -
[148]
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OldPueblo
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:42:00 -
[149]
Originally by: DaiTengu
The CCP moderators seem to have terrible standards. They will ban/warn for minor things, but let other, much worse things go because they are written by someone they either "like" or someone not part of a group with a reputation.
I fully support this. Someone needs to control the forum moderators.
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:42:00 -
[150]
The forums are in dire need of an overhaul. If the CSM can get it done sooner rather than later, good for them.
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Gallente Ardientemente
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:43:00 -
[151]
Confirmin' dis.
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BobZumda
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:46:00 -
[152]
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Temari Kurita
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:47:00 -
[153]
The forums are there for the community, as is the CSM. To have the forum moderators not held accountable to the community is akin to allowing a vampire to hold the keys to a Blood Bank...
Furthermore,
-=-=-=-=-
Just another happy bee for the Swarm |
Gallente Picante
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:48:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Gallente Ardientemente
Confirmin' dis.
I too confirm dis!
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Peaches Thala
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:48:00 -
[155]
I would've never thought to agree with goons, but I support this.
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Khan Mongoloid
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:49:00 -
[156]
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Dr Felonius
Civilian Purposes Limited
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:49:00 -
[157]
It would be nice to hold the forum mods accountable to the player base.
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Wodan Violence
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:50:00 -
[158]
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Xenuphobic
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 16:50:00 -
[159]
Supporting this.
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Gallente Caliente
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:50:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Gallente Caliente on 09/03/2009 16:49:59
I have seen week bannings handed out for things our enemies have also done, without repercussion. Stop the madness. Heal the world.
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www.nobob.info |
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charlie delta
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:51:00 -
[161]
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Geddy L33t
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:51:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Geddy L33t on 09/03/2009 16:53:00
I support this product and/or service.
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Second Amendment
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:52:00 -
[163]
Openness, transparency, fofofoing.
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Dirap
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:53:00 -
[164]
Supported |
Klyith
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:54:00 -
[165]
I will kill you if you vote no for this.
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Mikel Banks
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:00:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Klyith
I will kill you if you vote no for this.
IRL?
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Pedro Sangre
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:00:00 -
[167]
No one should be above answering for their actions.
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jm24
Rho Holding Corp
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 17:01:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Mikel Banks
Originally by: Klyith
I will kill you if you vote no for this.
IRL?
IRL 
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YuKanChu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:02:00 -
[169]
boo yah
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Angelina MacDonnell
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:04:00 -
[170]
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Deldrac
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:05:00 -
[171]
All the CSM does is say stuff, it has no power.
The forum mods don't want the CSM banging on about forum stuff because it feeds into an angst cycle on the boards, and most players don't give two ****s about the forums.
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Anna Martinov
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:09:00 -
[172]
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Peasant John
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:10:00 -
[173]
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Falcate
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:13:00 -
[174]
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Stopgap
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:15:00 -
[175]
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WilWheaton
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 17:18:00 -
[176]
pro-vote
*snip* Signature removed and locked. Email us if you want it unlocked. -Ivan K |
AztecD
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:18:00 -
[177]
Yes
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Anubis Nefertiti
Obsidian Industries Inc
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:19:00 -
[178]
I support this 
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Amusing Name
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:19:00 -
[179]
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OOT Prime
Obsidian Industries Inc
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:19:00 -
[180]
I also like this idea
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William Romeo
Caldari
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 17:20:00 -
[181]
yes
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myrtarous
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 17:24:00 -
[182]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp
Since the EVE client's browser can't render these pages anyway, the only logical explanation for calling these the "IN-GAME" boards is that they are part of the game, right?
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Hanabi Kazan
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:26:00 -
[183]
I thought the forums was the game and the spreadsheets in the stars are just to pass time
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Pagey
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:29:00 -
[184]
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Roger Blake
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:42:00 -
[185]
Have to agree
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Justinianus Flavius
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 17:45:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Justinianus Flavius on 09/03/2009 17:48:39
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Edit: that's a serious point, and not just a reference to topical movies. "Who watches the watchers" is a fundamental axiom of natural law. I'm appalled, after the shocking history of the moderation team in the past (which was one of the key reasons for the creation of the CSM institution, for newer players who are unaware) that the current team think that they are above oversight.
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Gramtar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:46:00 -
[187]
Voting yes.
The CSM should have input into how the forums are moderated, including but not limited to penalties for inappropriate posts.
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torpedan
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:48:00 -
[188]
Edited by: torpedan on 09/03/2009 17:48:50
Is this where we all get banned for blank posting?
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Monstercable
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:48:00 -
[189]
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Poontang McFadyen
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:52:00 -
[190]
I believe I agree.
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High Inquisitress
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:54:00 -
[191]
More needed here than in deciding blockade runner slot layouts.
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The Groundskeeper
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:56:00 -
[192]
Yes.
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Boss Cracker
deii feram
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:58:00 -
[193]
OK, you can stop the debate. I lend it my imprimatur.
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Xiobe
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:04:00 -
[194]
The forums moderators are inconsistent and present an image of bias against certain individuals due to no apparant reason other than their corp/alliance. While it's hard to point at a single incident, the little *snips* here and there begin to add up.
Moderators also have a reputation for not reversing their decisions, no matter how bad or foolish that decision may be. Should a moderator make a judgement not in line with apparent policy, we the players, have no way to highlight or argue the point since all moderator criticism gets immediately censored.
CCP are quite entitled to keep the moderation separate and able to operate with impunity against certain groups, but picking and choosing where to apply the transparency means you might as well have none at all.
Sorry Wrangler, but you need to answer to someone. :)
--
lose. their. they're. there. couldn't care less. lego. colour. flavour. |
Pseudothei
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:06:00 -
[195]
Yup.
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Joker Deville
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:07:00 -
[196]
amen
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EviI Thug
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:08:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Joker Deville
amen
FREE DJ!
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Karen Frost
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:08:00 -
[198]
Originally by: EviI Thug
Originally by: Joker Deville
amen
FREE DJ!
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Mr Thuganomics
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:09:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Karen Frost
Originally by: EviI Thug
Originally by: Joker Deville
amen
FREE DJ!
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Slovaken Silvendar
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:10:00 -
[200]
I fully support this. These boards are for the discussion of in-game activities, and as such, should fall under the purview of the CSM. Hopefully, CCP will actually listen to us/the CSM about this.
Also, free Darius JOHNSON.
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Mr Criminalest
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:10:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Mr Thuganomics
Originally by: Karen Frost
Originally by: EviI Thug
Originally by: Joker Deville
amen
FREE DJ!
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Snoopy Blue
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:12:00 -
[202]
Originally by: EviI Thug
Originally by: Joker Deville
amen
FREE DJ!
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Blu3Jay
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:12:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Snoopy Blue
Originally by: EviI Thug
Originally by: Joker Deville
amen
FREE DJ!
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Nadezhda Andropov
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:21:00 -
[204]
I support this idea, and I would like to expand upon it:
Assuming a successful election outcome for myself (Captain Pompous), I will enquire as to the feasibility of devolving forums moderation to individual player-led groups in each forum section. And then, on occasion, rotate the mod crews! If nothing else, it will provide jollies and keep everyone on their toes, for they will never know from where the lock-hammer might fall 
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gunes
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:23:00 -
[205]
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Artcanin
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:23:00 -
[206]
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Eleventy
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:40:00 -
[207]
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Brobuck
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 18:42:00 -
[208]
The idea that the forums are unrelated to the game is nonsensical at best, and deliberately misleading at worst. C'mon guys, don't pee on my leg and tell me it is raining.
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Sorenson Roynex
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:44:00 -
[209]
Why would there need to be any oversight over the forums that isn't driven by the player base? I'd like to know that the people moderating the discussions at least had a rudimentary knowledge of game mechanics and politics. Who better defines those qualities than a CSM?
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Anders Kraneled
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:45:00 -
[210]
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari
Darkstorm Command
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:46:00 -
[211]
I agree
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Orebuster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 18:46:00 -
[212]
Quote:
the CSM NEEDS to get involved, as the moderation team has been found wanting. Why should the forums be treated any different than any other aspect of Eve? What about the forums is so magical that they should be able to operate with immunity? This is stupid.
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Is tert1ary
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:46:00 -
[213]
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Anders Folkmar
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:48:00 -
[214]
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Zin Zhou
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:54:00 -
[215]
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Keldjos Falzir
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:56:00 -
[216]
I concure
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Teclis van'Dreike
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:57:00 -
[217]
100% in support of this. |
Lexa Falzir
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:00:00 -
[218]
I agree
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Misanthropologist
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:05:00 -
[219]
Agreed
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Havlentia Castigatrix
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:14:00 -
[220]
Supported
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Triggsz
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:14:00 -
[221]
:V |
Mildaria
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:16:00 -
[222]
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RobTheRad
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:20:00 -
[223]
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Lars Erlkonig
Flipmode Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:27:00 -
[224]
why doesn't the CSM have this already? Support it
Originally by: TWD
We suck and Goonswarm are PvP gods.
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Vakor Zakorian
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:30:00 -
[225]
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Ungdall
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:31:00 -
[226]
Nothing should beyond the control of the players, except things that should be, but this isn't one of them.
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Vacuus os
Militant Mermen
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:38:00 -
[227]
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Tector
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:45:00 -
[228]
The forums are a vital extension to the game as they are the primary source of information for players not directly involved in an event. This is made especially crucial given that the in-game news that comes up every once in a while only covers truly spectacular events (well, mostly) and as such smaller stories tend to go unnoticed.
If the forums are an important part of the game experience, it stands to reason that the moderation thereof should be a topic for discussion by the CSM.
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Stradiot
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:46:00 -
[229]
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SimpleScout
Coalition Of Poitot Mission Runners
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:49:00 -
[230]
i agree whole heartedly
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Ar'tee
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 20:24:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Sorenson Roynex
I'd like to know that the people moderating the discussions at least had a rudimentary knowledge of game mechanics and politics. Who better defines those qualities than a CSM?
This has always baffled me as well. I've seen many topics being closed as "offtopic" or "not relevant", even though it is crystal clear to all the involved parties what the thread is about and why it is relevant (often, this is obvious from the reactions as well, but the thread still gets closed).
So, why do we let forum moderators who appear to have little clue of what is actually going on in the game (to interpret these kinds of actions in the most favorable light imaginable) decide what is somehow "relevant"? |
Galler FLAke
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 20:30:00 -
[232]
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Courthouse
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 20:50:00 -
[233]
No moderation without representation.
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Macgalver
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:04:00 -
[234]
Agreed
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Burger Man
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:16:00 -
[235]
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Alqualonde
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:16:00 -
[236]
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:30:00 -
[237]
Not supported. This smells of a mob.
~ Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic |
Gonada
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:27:00 -
[238]
lets see, place the forums under the direct control of those idiots of goonswarm, under the guise of the CSM.
yes, lets destroy eve even more.
please die in a fire
Please, jump into traffic
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Aqua II
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:34:00 -
[239]
sounds good to me |
Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:54:00 -
[240]
____
My Blog Is Awesome
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ThorTheGreat
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2009.03.09 22:59:00 -
[241]
Edited by: ThorTheGreat on 09/03/2009 23:00:08
Originally by: Gonada
lets see, place the forums under the direct control of those idiots of goonswarm, under the guise of the CSM.
yes, lets destroy eve even more.
please die in a fire
There are 9 CSMs... one of them is a Goon. A majority vote is required to accomplish anything. In short you are stupid. Also, please never threaten me IRL again. I have reported your post and expect you to be banned.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:00:00 -
[242]
Not Supported. Bias screams too loudly here.
===============
CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre
www.shadowcadre.com
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:01:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Not Supported. Bias screams too loudly here.
Bias is the problem in the first place. I think the council would take umbrage with the fact that you would lump them in with the Goons.
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warrior002
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:12:00 -
[244]
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Gloria Lewis
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:15:00 -
[245]
I support this proposal |
NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:30:00 -
[246]
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Edited by: ThorTheGreat on 09/03/2009 23:00:08
Originally by: Gonada
lets see, place the forums under the direct control of those idiots of goonswarm, under the guise of the CSM.
yes, lets destroy eve even more.
please die in a fire
There are 9 CSMs... one of them is a Goon. A majority vote is required to accomplish anything. In short you are stupid. Also, please never threaten me IRL again. I have reported your post and expect you to be banned.
I dont think he did threaten you irl it was char to char,
Also im concerned re your wording of 'perview' it suggests to me that the GM's/Moderators have to report to the CSM's no matter if they maybe all goons or not (who knows what future block voting may cause) in their decisions re punitive measures re rule breaking on the forum,
Tbh as i said id rather that decision remain with CCP although i would support CCP involving the CSM's re forum changes and/or to include punitive measures for continous rule breakers :)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=752166
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:34:00 -
[247]
Originally by: NereSky
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Edited by: ThorTheGreat on 09/03/2009 23:00:08
Originally by: Gonada
lets see, place the forums under the direct control of those idiots of goonswarm, under the guise of the CSM.
yes, lets destroy eve even more.
please die in a fire
There are 9 CSMs... one of them is a Goon. A majority vote is required to accomplish anything. In short you are stupid. Also, please never threaten me IRL again. I have reported your post and expect you to be banned.
I dont think he did threaten you irl it was char to char,
Also im concerned re your wording of 'perview' it suggests to me that the GM's/Moderators have to report to the CSM's no matter if they maybe all goons or not (who knows what future block voting may cause) in their decisions re punitive measures re rule breaking on the forum,
Tbh as i said id rather that decision remain with CCP although i would support CCP involving the CSM's re forum changes and/or to include punitive measures for continous rule breakers :)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=752166
It places the mods on the same playing ground as everyone else in CCP. Char to char or IRL is up to the mods to decide. Unfortunately that's a bad thing.
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Gorfob
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 00:01:00 -
[248]
:madprops:
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.10 00:17:00 -
[249]
Now why do I suspect there is more to this thread than meets the eye?
Could it be the very high percentage of voters from one single alliance?
Could it be the curious use of language in the op?
Could it be the couple of incautious comments from certain respondents?
Could it be the timing?
In conclusion I'm a bit wary about supporting this kind of motion without seeing precisely what the make up of the next CSM will be. If the turnout is low and we end up with a majority of CSM's from a single powerbloc the risk is that the kind of behaviour we've seen recently on CAOD will be given "official" sanction from the CSM and the reputation of the CSM as a viable entity would be damaged profoundly as a result.
Hence I'm not prepared to give my support to this motion until I see the results of the next election and I'd advise anyone on the fence in regard to this issue to hold off casting a vote likewise.
I would suggest people looking to make a serious improvement in CAOD right now should read this topic and cast a vote there for the issue of CAOD spam and low standards of posting there.
All the best!
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Ghitza
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 00:51:00 -
[250]
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:03:00 -
[251]
No. I agree with CCP, the CSM is supposed to be dealing with IN-GAME issues. NOT FORUMS. NOT WEBSITES, THE GAME: EVE ONLINE.
I mean, seriously, the CSM is a bunch of players that signed up to be in a group of people that VOICE the opinion of the player base. They are not "an oversight committee". If they ever became that, I would fight it or quit EvE. The CSM is neither qualified nor voted in for that reason.
Why is everyone so desperate that CCP have an "oversight committee". They aren't a government. Heck, they don't even have the biggest player base in the world. If anyone should have one, it should be WoW, but I don't see anyone crying for one for them. Either way, its not needed. If your so tied into this game that you feel that CCP is some sort of government that needs governing you need to take a vacation from EvE.
This idea is moronic and stupid and I'm frankly appalled that any CSM has any support for this idea. You need a reality check.
--Isaac Starstriker
Isaac's Haul*Mart
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:07:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
this is going to be an interesting discussion
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
You two disappoint me. I didn't think it could get worse, but you two proved otherwise. At least the guy who I least respected the least didn't have a power-high.
Saddening. Truly saddening.
--Isaac
Isaac's Haul*Mart
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:08:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Now why do I suspect there is more to this thread than meets the eye?
Could it be the very high percentage of voters from one single alliance?
Could it be the curious use of language in the op?
Could it be the couple of incautious comments from certain respondents?
Could it be the timing?
In conclusion I'm a bit wary about supporting this kind of motion without seeing precisely what the make up of the next CSM will be. If the turnout is low and we end up with a majority of CSM's from a single powerbloc the risk is that the kind of behaviour we've seen recently on CAOD will be given "official" sanction from the CSM and the reputation of the CSM as a viable entity would be damaged profoundly as a result.
Hence I'm not prepared to give my support to this motion until I see the results of the next election and I'd advise anyone on the fence in regard to this issue to hold off casting a vote likewise.
I would suggest people looking to make a serious improvement in CAOD right now should read this topic and cast a vote there for the issue of CAOD spam and low standards of posting there.
All the best!
Man that's a lot of words nobody cares about.
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Skalet
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:08:00 -
[254]
is it just me, or is it goonswarm, and all their alts that support this?
why is CCP blind to this utter bullshyte?
first they ruin COAD, now they turn the whole CSM thing into a friking joke?
you are all fools.
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:09:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
No. I agree with CCP, the CSM is supposed to be dealing with IN-GAME issues. NOT FORUMS. NOT WEBSITES, THE GAME: EVE ONLINE.
I mean, seriously, the CSM is a bunch of players that signed up to be in a group of people that VOICE the opinion of the player base. They are not "an oversight committee". If they ever became that, I would fight it or quit EvE. The CSM is neither qualified nor voted in for that reason.
Why is everyone so desperate that CCP have an "oversight committee". They aren't a government. Heck, they don't even have the biggest player base in the world. If anyone should have one, it should be WoW, but I don't see anyone crying for one for them. Either way, its not needed. If your so tied into this game that you feel that CCP is some sort of government that needs governing you need to take a vacation from EvE.
This idea is moronic and stupid and I'm frankly appalled that any CSM has any support for this idea. You need a reality check.
--Isaac Starstriker
Ask CCP why they set it up the way they did. You act as if the CSM has created itself.
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:10:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Skalet
is it just me, or is it goonswarm, and all their alts that support this?
why is CCP blind to this utter bullshyte?
first they ruin COAD, now they turn the whole CSM thing into a friking joke?
you are all fools.
You're going to be pretty upset when this passes.
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:15:00 -
[257]
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
No. I agree with CCP, the CSM is supposed to be dealing with IN-GAME issues. NOT FORUMS. NOT WEBSITES, THE GAME: EVE ONLINE.
I mean, seriously, the CSM is a bunch of players that signed up to be in a group of people that VOICE the opinion of the player base. They are not "an oversight committee". If they ever became that, I would fight it or quit EvE. The CSM is neither qualified nor voted in for that reason.
Why is everyone so desperate that CCP have an "oversight committee". They aren't a government. Heck, they don't even have the biggest player base in the world. If anyone should have one, it should be WoW, but I don't see anyone crying for one for them. Either way, its not needed. If your so tied into this game that you feel that CCP is some sort of government that needs governing you need to take a vacation from EvE.
This idea is moronic and stupid and I'm frankly appalled that any CSM has any support for this idea. You need a reality check.
--Isaac Starstriker
Ask CCP why they set it up the way they did. You act as if the CSM has created itself.
Oiu...why don't you "enlighten me". Either way, CSM is fine the way it is. And to be very honest, NO other game has a "CSM" like this. We get something really unique and all we can do is complain about it. Very stupid in my opinion.
--Isaac
Isaac's Haul*Mart
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:24:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
No. I agree with CCP, the CSM is supposed to be dealing with IN-GAME issues. NOT FORUMS. NOT WEBSITES, THE GAME: EVE ONLINE.
I mean, seriously, the CSM is a bunch of players that signed up to be in a group of people that VOICE the opinion of the player base. They are not "an oversight committee". If they ever became that, I would fight it or quit EvE. The CSM is neither qualified nor voted in for that reason.
Why is everyone so desperate that CCP have an "oversight committee". They aren't a government. Heck, they don't even have the biggest player base in the world. If anyone should have one, it should be WoW, but I don't see anyone crying for one for them. Either way, its not needed. If your so tied into this game that you feel that CCP is some sort of government that needs governing you need to take a vacation from EvE.
This idea is moronic and stupid and I'm frankly appalled that any CSM has any support for this idea. You need a reality check.
--Isaac Starstriker
Ask CCP why they set it up the way they did. You act as if the CSM has created itself.
Oiu...why don't you "enlighten me". Either way, CSM is fine the way it is. And to be very honest, NO other game has a "CSM" like this. We get something really unique and all we can do is complain about it. Very stupid in my opinion.
--Isaac
I agree, you should probably be more positive in the future.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:33:00 -
[259]
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 10/03/2009 02:35:02
Also on the fence - I think I'd like to see the mods actually cleaning up the forums before we worry about who they report to.
--Vel
There is no right or wrong way. There is only what works and what leaves you waking up in a clone vat. |
NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:26:00 -
[260]
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Skalet
is it just me, or is it goonswarm, and all their alts that support this?
why is CCP blind to this utter bullshyte?
first they ruin COAD, now they turn the whole CSM thing into a friking joke?
you are all fools.
You're going to be pretty upset when this passes.
You seem pretty sure it will pass (wonders why),
Tbh i doubt anyone in CCP will agree with this (regardless as to how many of the Goons/and their alts vote) as the op suggests taking the power away from CCP re the forums into the hands of players which is something i and every other person with any sense would not wish to see while the forums are treat in such a irresponsible way
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Ar'tee
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:51:00 -
[261]
Originally by: NereSky
the op suggests taking the power away from CCP re the forums into the hands of players which is something i and every other person with any sense would not wish to see while the forums are treat in such a irresponsible way
The op does not suggest taking away power from the mods. It suggests that CCP mods should be obliged to answer the CSM with regard to questions concerning the inconsistent application of moderation policies and similar related issues.
If you think the OP is suggesting that CCP should re-instate something like the ISD again, I suggest you read again. Also, ask yourself whether you seriously think that any goons would ever vote in favor of such a proposal. So no, that's not what the proposal suggests.
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Xiobe
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:58:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Now why do I suspect there is more to this thread than meets the eye?
Could it be the very high percentage of voters from one single alliance?
Could it be the curious use of language in the op?
Could it be the couple of incautious comments from certain respondents?
Could it be the timing?
In conclusion I'm a bit wary about supporting this kind of motion without seeing precisely what the make up of the next CSM will be. If the turnout is low and we end up with a majority of CSM's from a single powerbloc the risk is that the kind of behaviour we've seen recently on CAOD will be given "official" sanction from the CSM and the reputation of the CSM as a viable entity would be damaged profoundly as a result.
Hence I'm not prepared to give my support to this motion until I see the results of the next election and I'd advise anyone on the fence in regard to this issue to hold off casting a vote likewise.
I would suggest people looking to make a serious improvement in CAOD right now should read this topic and cast a vote there for the issue of CAOD spam and low standards of posting there.
All the best!
Wow, you are incredibly bitter about being irrelevant.
Perhaps go and post this elsewhere on your beloved, badly moderated forums, and take someone up on their offer of "can i has ur stuff".
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lose. their. they're. there. couldn't care less. lego. colour. flavour. |
NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:02:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Ar'tee
Originally by: NereSky
the op suggests taking the power away from CCP re the forums into the hands of players which is something i and every other person with any sense would not wish to see while the forums are treat in such a irresponsible way
The op does not suggest taking away power from the mods. It suggests that CCP mods should be obliged to answer the CSM with regard to questions concerning the inconsistent application of moderation policies and similar related issues.
If you think the OP is suggesting that CCP should re-instate something like the ISD again, I suggest you read again. Also, ask yourself whether you seriously think that any goons would ever vote in favor of such a proposal. So no, that's not what the proposal suggests.
I did read the op and after reading it - the word 'purview' means 'the range of operation, authority, control, concern, etc.'
this means to me that the CSM will have authority and control over the Mods/CCP re the forums
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Lumen Atra
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:14:00 -
[264]
Edited by: Lumen Atra on 10/03/2009 19:15:22
Edited by: Lumen Atra on 10/03/2009 19:14:27
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Now why do I suspect there is more to this thread than meets the eye?
Could it be the very high percentage of voters from one single alliance?
Could it be the curious use of language in the op?
Could it be the couple of incautious comments from certain respondents?
Could it be the timing?
In conclusion I'm a bit wary about supporting this kind of motion without seeing precisely what the make up of the next CSM will be. If the turnout is low and we end up with a majority of CSM's from a single powerbloc the risk is that the kind of behaviour we've seen recently on CAOD will be given "official" sanction from the CSM and the reputation of the CSM as a viable entity would be damaged profoundly as a result.
Hence I'm not prepared to give my support to this motion until I see the results of the next election and I'd advise anyone on the fence in regard to this issue to hold off casting a vote likewise.
I would suggest people looking to make a serious improvement in CAOD right now should read this topic and cast a vote there for the issue of CAOD spam and low standards of posting there.
All the best!
So, you disagree with the assertion that the moderation immunity is nonsense? There really isn't anything hidden in the language of the OP that I can see. The CSM, as far as I know, does not get to decide how things are run. They address ideas and, ultimately, CCP decides based off information. Your suspicion is just you trying to get a rise (successful) from people by being controversial for no good reason - aka, you are trolling under the guise of intelligent discourse.
If the population, as filtered through the CSM, wants the forums to be moderated in a more balanced fashion (such as equally banning/gagging you and your trolls along with the trolls you respond to, for an example), then CCP should have that pressure applied to them.
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onymous
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:15:00 -
[265]
*makes an obvious joke to a friend*
*gets permabanned*
yeah I'd say the mods need some oversight. |
atrabilious
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:16:00 -
[266]
supported. Also permaban jade constantine. |
myrmecophilous
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:17:00 -
[267]
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NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:18:00 -
[268]
Edited by: NereSky on 10/03/2009 19:20:03
Well whether an error in the writing or not its all rather sinister and i believe theres a ulterior motive in there somewhere, and tbh you accuse me of trolling but didnt the op ask to discuss this and isnt that what im doing?
Oh and stop the ingame spam of mails please
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Buhamut Zeo
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:23:00 -
[269]
The eve-o forums mods seem about as disciplined in their duties as the goon forums mods.
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Amiable Quinn
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:23:00 -
[270]
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Dahlia Houghton
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:26:00 -
[271]
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Dumah Tace
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:32:00 -
[272]
signed
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Jack Moriarty
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:43:00 -
[273]
Agreeing (with the OP). |
Alrar Manq
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:46:00 -
[274]
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Ajax Thanatos
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:51:00 -
[275]
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SpasticThinker
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:53:00 -
[276]
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Antolin Vakalas
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:55:00 -
[277]
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Duckbar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:02:00 -
[278]
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Selkieace
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:03:00 -
[279]
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Amelya
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:05:00 -
[280]
agreed
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:05:00 -
[281]
Agreeing with this op.
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Echthalian
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:06:00 -
[282]
/signed
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Escobar Hernandez
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:11:00 -
[283]
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Magnus Crane
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:16:00 -
[284]
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Rhonyn Peacemaker
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:18:00 -
[285]
n/t support.
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Rupert Carvolo
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:18:00 -
[286]
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Maladora
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:30:00 -
[287]
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Cindy McCain
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:51:00 -
[288]
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Elpoc
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:21:00 -
[289]
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Ocular Shadows
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:23:00 -
[290]
I fully support any option that gives you an avenue for recourse from what you believe to be an oversight by the moderation team. As things stand now, there is no satisfactory method to pursue a review of a moderator's decision.
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Zombie Girl
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:31:00 -
[291]
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Existential Antihero
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:32:00 -
[292]
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Insurance Risk
Duragon Pioneer Group
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:33:00 -
[293]
posting on eve-o is often more enjoyable than playing the game. |
Noisluva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:35:00 -
[294]
Heavy handed moderation stifles creativity |
Telemedia Superhero
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:44:00 -
[295]
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ControlledBurn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:02:00 -
[296]
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Admiral Feelgood
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:12:00 -
[297]
,
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Johnny Rocksalot
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:13:00 -
[298]
Edited by: Johnny Rocksalot on 10/03/2009 22:13:26
i like this idea
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Skalet
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:17:00 -
[299]
look at all the goonswarm alts and members posting.
you all fail.
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camel crush
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:57:00 -
[300]
quite
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Deo Three
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:15:00 -
[301]
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Stalax
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:27:00 -
[302]
I support this product and/or service.
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g0th
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.11 02:14:00 -
[303]
signed, supported!
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Mildeliane
Duragon Pioneer Group
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.11 03:27:00 -
[304]
yep
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Visakoth
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.11 04:49:00 -
[305]
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Nimathos
Gallente
Swarm Of Locusts
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.11 07:31:00 -
[306]
If the forum is part of the game, then why is it not a function or application inside the game? besides browsing to it with the internet browser, which makes connection to the world outside eve, thus also unrealistic.
Amen. |
Zxxs Trxyzptlk
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.11 09:30:00 -
[307]
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Bronzino
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:51:00 -
[308]
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Julius Lincinius
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:58:00 -
[309]
CSM candidates should have some purview over forum moderation. They are supposed to be looking out for the players. Some of us just play forum games... Not allowing them oversight is a bit disheartening that the initial CSM concept has been retooled so much by CCP that it is now only a shadow of its original intent.
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente
Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration
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Posted - 2009.03.11 14:21:00 -
[310]
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Why should the forums be treated any different than any other aspect of Eve? What about the forums is so magical that they should be able to operate with immunity? This is stupid.
Discuss.
What you are saying is that the forum will merely end up being an extension of Goonswarm's policies and serve as a political tool to achieve its goals.
I see what you did there. Somebody has been reading the CIA manuals.
We cannot give you that power, although you will seek it by other means.
Abulurd Boniface
ME ME
CEO
For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease. |
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Doxxan
Defcon One
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:11:00 -
[311]
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Yarik Mendel
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:35:00 -
[312]
I DON'T TRUST THE FORUM MODS.
Because there is strong evidence certain mods are biased. All we want is accountability for serious moderation, like when someone is banned for something others aren't in the same thread, then you know favoritism exists!
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Yarik Mendel
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:36:00 -
[313]
supported
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Ivoryman
GreenSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.12 13:27:00 -
[314]
No. This opens the forums to be used and abused for player driven agenda's. I for one would not want other 'paying subscribers' dictating what I can/can not do on the forums, which is essentially what you are suggesting.
Ivory
x-AWAR, mostly retired |
Soldis
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 21:25:00 -
[315]
It seems the few people who are against this issue don't understand it at all. No one is asking for control, just a reason when someone is banned, in the least.
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Aloriana Jacques
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.13 00:18:00 -
[316]
*signs graciously*
Here on the forums is where the mass majority of the EVE game community participates in discussions about the game, what's going on in game, and various in game actions (buying, selling, trading, asking for help, discussing future changes to the game, etc.) Community is the operative word. If the CSM are meant to represent the community, than they should be able to bring up how CCP can make a better game, as well as improve relations with the community, and that happens on these forums.
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Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Ivoryman
GreenSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:07:00 -
[317]
Quote:
It seems the few people who are against this issue don't understand it at all. No one is asking for control, just a reason when someone is banned, in the least.
Please re-read the original post and what it is asking the vote to be about. Also look up the definition of purview.
Getting a stated reason why someone has been banned should be a complete different issue.
Ivory
x-AWAR, mostly retired |
Yarik Mendel
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:42:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Ivoryman
Quote:
It seems the few people who are against this issue don't understand it at all. No one is asking for control, just a reason when someone is banned, in the least.
Please re-read the original post and what it is asking the vote to be about. Also look up the definition of purview.
In the context of the OP, purview means means oversight, not control.
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NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:52:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Yarik Mendel
Originally by: Ivoryman
Quote:
It seems the few people who are against this issue don't understand it at all. No one is asking for control, just a reason when someone is banned, in the least.
Please re-read the original post and what it is asking the vote to be about. Also look up the definition of purview.
In the context of the OP, purview means means oversight, not control.
well every organisation govermental or otherwise that has a oversight committee has control
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fuze
Chosen Path
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:59:00 -
[320]
This the goon conga line?
OP has a point but forums isn't exclusively in game or out game. It has eg the out of pod forums as well the corp recruitment forums. The parts that are relevant to the in game real of New Eden automatically are covered by CSM anyway.
CSM at least should be able to comment on this privately and publicly without getting moderated.
(Besides mods shouldn't be allowed to play Eve to avoid any bias.)
I don't think this will change anything since your avg paranoia will continue to scream bias anyway. CSM oversight still will be very limited even then. |
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Space Dolemite
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Posted - 2009.03.14 00:33:00 -
[321]
yo I just be seein dis **** an I'd like to be voicin my suppot aight
one love~
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.14 17:11:00 -
[322]
+
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Jimer Lins
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:08:00 -
[323]
Forums used to be moderated by players (CRC), answerable to CCP. The player volunteer mods could only moderate, not ban, in response to the CSM's concern back on page 2.
I always thought the decision to eliminate the player moderation team was a poor one that has contributed significantly to the decline in the quality of the forums.
So, supported for some form of oversight by players. Mods need to be answerable in some form to the people who use the forums.
Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis |
Jernau Gurgeh
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:24:00 -
[324]
The CSM should be able to advise on forum policy, but not specific cases
There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not. |
Lord Matrix
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.03.16 19:33:00 -
[325]
I support this.
3/4 pure lunatic, 1/4 absolute genius |
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