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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: mechtech on 09/03/2009 21:57:21
Welcome to real combat. adapt or die.
(of course, I only support this if the hard sleepers have no more than 2x or so normal tracking speed, if BSs can hit drones, yes, something is wrong)
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Rilwar
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:57:00 -
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Why the hell make a thread about it a day before launch?
For that matter.... do a little reading you nitwit, everyone and their grandma/dog knew about sleepers shooting your drones, weeks ago.
Welcome to the 9th.
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Dragonwell
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Rilwar
Why the hell make a thread about it a day before launch?
For that matter.... do a little reading you nitwit, everyone and their grandma/dog knew about sleepers shooting your drones, weeks ago.
Welcome to the 9th.
So discussions can't be started and concerns mustn't be raised the day before release or at any point thereafter? If everyone went your way EVE would be a very different world. Sure, we knew that Sleepers shot drones a good while ago. Now someone started a discussion about it. Cry more, go home.
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Struggling with Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Falling Into Infinity toward a New Millennium
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Rilwar
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonwell
Originally by: Rilwar
Why the hell make a thread about it a day before launch?
For that matter.... do a little reading you nitwit, everyone and their grandma/dog knew about sleepers shooting your drones, weeks ago.
Welcome to the 9th.
So discussions can't be started and concerns mustn't be raised the day before release or at any point thereafter? If everyone went your way EVE would be a very different world. Sure, we knew that Sleepers shot drones a good while ago. Now someone started a discussion about it. Cry more, go home.
Not my point.
Discussions have already been started about it, time and time again.
Point: Another omg they shoot my drones thread?
Good thing I'm not crying, and I'm home.
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Esiel
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:27:00 -
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Yes I knew about sleepers shooting at drones from blogs, I however only reciently saw what this meant to me. It meant launch drones, send them to attack - drones go boom. Which means I don't get to use my drones.
The funny thing about comparing this to pvp combat is - what are the sleepers as compared to pvp. Are they gangs, small group, solo? Each fights differently.
Quite frankly it seems sleepers should behave more like pirates - when they have the advantage pirates, tackle then kill the ships in order of importance its plan is kill quickly or get the h*** out or Gang warfare where both sides have alot of ships and someone calling primary, secondary...
Neither situtation usually worries about drones, quite fankly I am surprised CCP put so much emphasis on drones in sleeper fights, they treat the drones = to a ship which isn't the case.
All in all what would I like to see, I would like to have the chance to use my drones in combat when I fly Gallente or Amarr ships.
ps Adapt or Die is one of the most overused sayings and most people have no idea what it really means. If I could I would retrofit my gallente BS so that it no longer has drones but instead shoots missiles and then work on improving the damage a hybrid weapon does. But I can't so I guess when people say Adapt or Die are they refering to CCP seeing as only they can adapt my gallente ships.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Esmenet on 09/03/2009 23:30:46
Originally by: Rilwar
Discussions have already been started about it, time and time again.
Last time the response was: OMGG its long until launch so it could change.
I think it would be a great idea if sleepers started using supercharged defenders that kill 95% of all missiles launched to make them more "challenging" and fun.
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Rilwar
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Rilwar on 09/03/2009 23:40:00
Originally by: Esmenet
Edited by: Esmenet on 09/03/2009 23:30:46
Originally by: Rilwar
Discussions have already been started about it, time and time again.
Last time the response was: OMGG its long until launch so it could change.
I think it would be a great idea if sleepers started using supercharged defenders that kill 95% of all missiles launched to make them more "challenging" and fun.
I will post so many "omg you nerfed my missiles" posts it would
A) Spin your head.
B) Crash the webserver, then I will be trolled on the forums as well for posting a nerfed post.
Also; Adapt or Die. 
Try adding a heavy rail or two to your domi, won't gimp utility highs too much, will add more DPS, and will make sleepers really rethink shooting them little buggers.
It's a lot like how my Raven has a pair of TP's to counteract the missile-nerf now.
Now you just don't get to aggro all the rats, launch drones and have your primary weapon system autonomously do all the target new target / fire routine for you.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rilwar
It's a lot like how my Raven has a pair of TP's to counteract the missile-nerf now.
No it dont even come close. Its more like the scenario with supercharged defenders.
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Now you just don't get to aggro all the rats, launch drones and have your primary weapon system autonomously do all the target new target / fire routine for you.
Oh my the press f1 every 30 seconds tactic really shows skill. 
No, now i leave the droneboat in the hangar and use another ship. Yea that was a really fun and challenging tactic.
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Cagot
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.10 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Esiel
The funny thing about comparing this to pvp combat is - what are the sleepers as compared to pvp. Are they gangs, small group, solo? Each fights differently.
I scanned down my first high-sec wormhole today in Mesybier (Singularity), and found "Outpost Frontier Stronghold", which had one BS-sized Sleeper and three Argos sentry guns. I was in my Ishtar with an aggro gun and other non-combat stuff in the highs. I was able to sort of kite the Sleepless Defender away from the sentries by using my sentry drones, bookmarking, and warping out when I got close to structure... or actually in structure, since I cut it too close a couple of times. After I killed it I was able to loot and salvage it, then took out an Argos before the second wave, four cruiser-sized Awakened Defenders, chased me off.
I didn't lose my drones, and didn't do damage with anything else. It wasn't a roaring success, since I wasn't able to clear the plex and hack or archaeologize the cans, but I was pleased that something can be done solo with drones.
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Neither situtation usually worries about drones, quite fankly I am surprised CCP put so much emphasis on drones in sleeper fights, they treat the drones = to a ship which isn't the case.
They don't. They attacked my drones at first, presumably because that's where the damage was coming from, but when I pulled the targeted one in they attacked my ship instead. They're not really focused on just the drones.
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All in all what would I like to see, I would like to have the chance to use my drones in combat when I fly Gallente or Amarr ships.
Try it - I suspect you'll find ways to make it work. I'm certainly going to keep working at it.
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Rilwar
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.03.10 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Edited by: Esmenet on 09/03/2009 23:54:08
Originally by: Rilwar
It's a lot like how my Raven has a pair of TP's to counteract the missile-nerf now.
No it dont even come close. Its more like the scenario with supercharged defenders. The real reason you dont see a ****storm of epic proportions like what would happen with missiles is that drones is already marginalized as a weapon system. There are only 2 real droneboats in the game.
Ishkur
Vexor
Ishtar
Myrm
Domi
Curse
Pilgrim
Eos
Moros
Carriers?
Also; See Below.
Originally by: Esmenet
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Now you just don't get to aggro all the rats, launch drones and have your primary weapon system autonomously do all the target new target / fire routine for you.
Oh my the press f1 every 30 seconds tactic really shows skill.
No, now i leave the droneboat in the hangar and use another ship. Yea that was a really fun and challenging tactic. It truly challenges me to think outside the box and adapt to new tactics.
I never said anything about skill, inferiority complex?
You made no attempt to adapt to changing conditions. You gave up entirely, without recourse.
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Aylara
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Posted - 2009.03.10 00:50:00 -
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These days, any PVP'er with just a little bit of experience will shoot your drones, taking away your DPS, so yes, they are one of the worst weapon systems atm. And since the hybrids are "so f*** awesome" my only option to adapt will be to train for another race.
I'm going to do that just to f** all the people with the "i'll be on top as long as your race is crap" attitude.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
M. Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.10 00:50:00 -
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Droens ARE the weak spot of sleepers!
get 2 dominixes loaded with t1 warriors. Keep sending waves of them.. that is about 15 min that the sleepers will not target anything useful in your gang :P
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Par'Gellen
Gallente
Tres Hombres Psychiatric Hospital
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Droens ARE the weak spot of sleepers!
get 2 dominixes loaded with t1 warriors. Keep sending waves of them.. that is about 15 min that the sleepers will not target anything useful in your gang :P
This.
You can effectively cause the Sleepers to ignore your entire gang if everyone launches warriors and keeps them bouncing from target to target.
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:35:00 -
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Oh god this again. Sleepers kill drones because that makes them tougher npcs.
People very rarely target and kill drones in either small gang/solo combat or in gang combat. Drones are not primary in ganks, and in even fights the enemy ship is always primaried almost always.
The last time I was in a combat where drones were primaried was 30 or 40 kills ago when a friendly interceptor with a scrambler blew the vagas drones up so he could tank long enough for me to get there and kill the vaga.
Smartbombs are the exception. That is how coordinated fleets deal with enemy drones.
So yes sleepers kill drones and do other stupid things that make them hard. But anyone trying to justify it because players kill drones is smoking crack. The justification is that sleepers do that **** because they are a tougher brand of npc.
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Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita
Oh god this again. Sleepers kill drones because that makes them tougher npcs.
People very rarely target and kill drones in either small gang/solo combat or in gang combat. Drones are not primary in ganks, and in even fights the enemy ship is always primaried almost always.
The last time I was in a combat where drones were primaried was 30 or 40 kills ago when a friendly interceptor with a scrambler blew the vagas drones up so he could tank long enough for me to get there and kill the vaga.
Smartbombs are the exception. That is how coordinated fleets deal with enemy drones.
So yes sleepers kill drones and do other stupid things that make them hard. But anyone trying to justify it because players kill drones is smoking crack. The justification is that sleepers do that **** because they are a tougher brand of npc.
If you're ganking a domi with 10 HAC's, you don't need to shoot it's drones.
If you're going against it solo, you shoot it's drones.
If you're getting attacked by a solo ishtar, you shoot it's drones.
If that curse, or a rapier, or <insert ship here> is killing you with drones... you shoot it's drones.
In one sided PVP, no, you don't shoot drones as one side or the other is just melting. In a more even fight, it's a worthwhile advantage. If your enemy has no weapon other than drones, it makes sense to take that weapon away.
On the other hand, if the enemy ship is.. say.. a gank mega or a geddon, the ship is more dangerous than the drones. I imagine the sleepers would shoot a ship doing that much DPS. Instead, they notice no damage from the drone boat, and all damage from the drones...
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gpfwestie
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:39:00 -
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If you are busy shooting his sentry drones, then you don't have a point on him.
Not sure how that relates to this new PVE content though.
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