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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:09:00 -
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I needed to download for 2 clients, Vista PC at 1.4 Gig and XP PC which was running classic, at 2 gig.
Downoaded 1.4 Gig file at 10 meg speed no problems, but 30% through 2.0 Gig download my speed went from 10 to 1 Mbit(100 K/sec) , Immediately realised it must be their "Traffic Shaping/Throttling" utility,which was brought in to punish illegal/torrent/pirate downloaders.
Their Tech help is pathetic, some indian with a script,not his/her fault, but this is shambolic ,they are not technically minded
My "tech help" told me that because I had already downloaded lots my modem was still catching up
It made me LOL so much I politely said goodbye,put phone down,and cleaned my monitor
So,if you are with VIRGIN and your speed is pathetic,it could just be your ISP,and not CCP
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:11:00 -
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phone them up and tell them you want to quit your contract because of the limits, they removed my limits and i can now dload at 2.5mb/s 24/7.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
phone them up and tell them you want to quit your contract because of the limits, they removed my limits and i can now dload at 2.5mb/s 24/7.
cheers,was going to but am chilling reading up on you guys at the moment so don't want aggro,will call tomorrow friend
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Othran
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 10/03/2009 20:12:36
They do at least document this - basically use your connection to the full for an hour between 4pm and midnight and they will throttle you back - all the way down to 1Mbps IIRC.
Easier for some to blame CCP though rather than recognise they pay a supplier that has been bankrupt more often than not in the last decade....
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
They do at least document this - basically use your connection to the full for an hour between 4pm and midnight and they will throttle you back - all the way down to 1Mbps IIRC.
Easier for some to blame CCP though rather than recognise they pay a supplier that has been bankrupt more ofetn than not in the last decade....
I know, initially it was brought in to throttle torrent downloads, but now it throttles all types of downloads,not fair
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: Othran
They do at least document this - basically use your connection to the full for an hour between 4pm and midnight and they will throttle you back - all the way down to 1Mbps IIRC.
Easier for some to blame CCP though rather than recognise they pay a supplier that has been bankrupt more ofetn than not in the last decade....
I know, initially it was brought in to throttle torrent downloads, but now it throttles all types of downloads,not fair
Yeah they really can't afford to lose customers atm so just give it to them.
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Avalon Champion
Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:16:00 -
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You should use BT, its motoring along at ***ping 56kbps, when the down stream states 576kb/s and upstream of 288kb/s. 
Pretty much the same response from BT some muppet in a call centre reading from a script, even tried to tell me its becasue im on wireless, until i told him i was on a hardwire.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:18:00 -
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Yup, as someone on a capped download per month (Virgin Media here as well), it strikes me as odd that the latest patch cannot be used on multiple installs.
In previous patches I've made a single download then copied it between my two installations on my main PC, and the third on my laptop. I'm now facing a 4.5GB download as I can't seemingly use the same patch more than once,
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Bimjo on 10/03/2009 20:19:33
Originally by: Avalon Champion
You should use BT, its motoring along at ***ping 56kbps, when the down stream states 576kb/s and upstream of 288kb/s.
Pretty much the same response from BT some muppet in a call centre reading from a script, even tried to tell me its becasue im on wireless, until i told him i was on a hardwire.
funny , but my one was not just funny but pathetic, "Sir,your modem is still catching up from your previous downloads" , now I read what I just wrote it's not so funny anymore,idiots
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Dani Leone
Gallente
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dani Leone on 10/03/2009 20:20:49
Originally by: Avalon Champion
You should use BT, its motoring along at ***ping 56kbps, when the down stream states 576kb/s and upstream of 288kb/s.
Pretty much the same response from BT some muppet in a call centre reading from a script, even tried to tell me its becasue im on wireless, until i told him i was on a hardwire.
Basically they are all ****ing ******s paid to keep customers away from what they have paid for and/or someone who could give it to them.
To put that into context and agree with OP, I had 800+ kb/s for the 1st gb of the patch, then dropped to 51kb/s and kept giving me retry messages, yet was nice and fast when restarted.
Now I am getting max 300kb/s throttled by jerk off software on a 20mb pipe.
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Othran
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:20:00 -
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UKOnline (well Easynet really) here. Haven't been on the resold BT connections for 3 years now. BT Centrals and the pricing are the problem and any ISP who says you can download more than 25GB/month on them is overcontending the connections by a staggering amount. If they say otherwise they are lying and/or about to go bust. Fact.
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Jasper Dark
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:20:00 -
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STM is the reason I am waiting till 2100 to patch...
I hate VM BB, but in my are its either them or BT 2mb MAX!
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Othran
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Yup, as someone on a capped download per month (Virgin Media here as well), it strikes me as odd that the latest patch cannot be used on multiple installs.
In previous patches I've made a single download then copied it between my two installations on my main PC, and the third on my laptop. I'm now facing a 4.5GB download as I can't seemingly use the same patch more than once,
Copy your Eve folder to the other machines once one is patched. Its all one client now.
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Kara Xandi
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kara Xandi on 10/03/2009 20:23:02
With Virgin myself, on the 20Mb connection and I too had to download for 2 clients. Did so without a hiccup, at the proper speed. No matter what I have ever downloaded they have never throttled it down, in fact I have never heard of them doing this. Anything else running in the background?
BTW don't touch BT, they're poo.
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cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:24:00 -
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i was downloading at 100k/bs now i'm downloading at 30kb/s...
****ing awful!
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Othran
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Xandi
Edited by: Kara Xandi on 10/03/2009 20:23:02
With Virgin myself, on the 20Mb connection and I too had to download for 2 clients. Did so without a hiccup, at the proper speed. No matter what I have ever downloaded they have never throttled it down, in fact I have never heard of them doing this.
Then you should go take a look at your own ISPs website where they quite clearly TELL YOU they will do this. FS.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Xandi
Edited by: Kara Xandi on 10/03/2009 20:23:02
With Virgin myself, on the 20Mb connection and I too had to download for 2 clients. Did so without a hiccup, at the proper speed. No matter what I have ever downloaded they have never throttled it down, in fact I have never heard of them doing this. Anything else running in the background?
BTW don't touch BT, they're poo.
Maybe you've not gone over the limit.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:27:00 -
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If you're on a crappy ISP with severe usage limits (yay, for BeThere which isn't and doesn't) you can get round them quite easily for multiple machines.
Update one machine then just copy the installation folder around your network.
Of course if you're updating multiple clients on the one machine then you're a dufas for having multiple clients in the first place. It isn't needed and never was :)
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Xandi
Edited by: Kara Xandi on 10/03/2009 20:23:02
With Virgin myself, on the 20Mb connection and I too had to download for 2 clients. Did so without a hiccup, at the proper speed. No matter what I have ever downloaded they have never throttled it down, in fact I have never heard of them doing this. Anything else running in the background?
BTW don't touch BT, they're poo.
The 20 mb account has higher thresholds, go to the bottom of the link I am posting below and look at daytime management table, I get 2.4 Gig and you get 6 Gig, spot on,hence why you got no throttling and I did
Virgin Traffic Management Page
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Dani Leone
Gallente
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Xandi
Edited by: Kara Xandi on 10/03/2009 20:23:02
With Virgin myself, on the 20Mb connection and I too had to download for 2 clients. Did so without a hiccup, at the proper speed. No matter what I have ever downloaded they have never throttled it down, in fact I have never heard of them doing this. Anything else running in the background?
BTW don't touch BT, they're poo.
Hasn't happened to me before either, but there are no other aps dling in the background etc.
And damningly according to M-Lab tests, packet queing was detected on the link...
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Othran
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
If you're on a crappy ISP with severe usage limits (yay, for BeThere which isn't and doesn't) you can get round them quite easily for multiple machines.
Update one machine then just copy the installation folder around your network.
Of course if you're updating multiple clients on the one machine then you're a dufas for having multiple clients in the first place. It isn't needed and never was :)
Binned Be for UKO nearly two years ago and haven't regretted it at all. Brett and his sidekick Louise are as professional (IMHO) as a random selection of drunks from your local. Be inflicted more downtime on me in 6 months than BT managed in 6 YEARS. No kidding.
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:37:00 -
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50 meg virgin customer here.
currently *storming* down the *empty* tubes at 43kB/sec... POTS is faster :(
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Je'Nann
Cythraul Gyrru
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:39:00 -
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virgin as well .. having to wait till after midnight to download the patch.
honestly, is there any decent isp in the uk anymore ;(
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:40:00 -
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50 meg virgin customer here.
currently *storming* down the *empty* tubes at 43kB/sec... POTS is faster :(
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Bruno Capri
Minmatar
The Scarecrows
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Korerin Mayul
50 meg virgin customer here.
currently *storming* down the *empty* tubes at 43kB/sec... POTS is faster :(
Do you know if your line is part of this new traffic management policy?
I'm on a 20mb line and got throttled a few weeks back, I wasn't a happy bunny. They aren't exactly advertising their traffic management policy either, 4 friends who are VM customers didn't know anything about it. VM has gone from being one of the best to total cr*p imo.
What's the point of paying for a 20mb line if you can't use it between 10am and 9pm
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc.
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:44:00 -
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10mbit Virgin cable customer here, laptop is downloading the patch at 400kB/sec, even after my main pc downloading 2.5gb since 3pm.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:45:00 -
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Actually guys read the small print in your contracts, you get throttled for hitting certain download amounts between the hours of 16:00 and 21:00 everything outside of that isn't throttled at all, including torrents.... The exact amount depends on your package. I'm on 50meg and theres no throttling and on 25meg its like 4 gig, and 10meg 2.5 gig. Which are not the most generous caps at those speeds but you can managed your downloading never to hit those amounts in the needed times.
Throttling lasts 5 hours from whenever its applied and comes off after.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:45:00 -
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That would explain where all my bandwidth went
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Othran
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
10mbit Virgin cable customer here, laptop is downloading the patch at 400kB/sec, even after my main pc downloading 2.5gb since 3pm.
So you are being throttled quite in line with what Virgin say they'll do.
Your point is?
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Hsuan Tsang
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:47:00 -
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Taken from the BS on the virginmedia website. This refers to 50Mb broadband:
"Up to 50Mb broadband with unlimited downloads"
this has a nice little '2' next to it, which at the bottom of the page says "acceptable usage policy". The one reason I would never get 50Mb, aside from the price, is the fact that if you do download at full speed, you will hit the cap limit in about 10 minutes. It might be me, but that is not unlimited.
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