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Ularg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Wulf Tarkin The fact that your outmoded graphics card can't handle Shader 2.0 is a shame. I pity you. However, I started patching at 1700 GMT, it's now 2200 and the d/l is only at 30% completed. On the plus side, graphics card is only 12 months old, so :p to you! My computer may be crap, but my internet > yours! ___________________________________ "There must be some way out of here..."
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.10 22:44:00 - [32] I have now verified a laptop from 2004 runs the new client smooth as silk. Note that this laptop was selected partly because it came with a radeon 9600 GPU. I knew I'd be wanting to play games every so often while on the road, so I made sure my laptop was designed to support them. I didn't simply buy the cheapest Intel solution I could get my hands on. Next up is a $125 after rebate Compaq desktop with integrated ATI graphics from 2005. I have a feeling it'll work just fine. Laptops with Intel graphics are specifically designed to NOT run games. They are business level chips, and 3d graphics are something employers would prefer their employees not partake of. Yes, games from the 1990s may run on them pretty well. But that's not the level of gaming people paying for games in 2009 are willing to accept. Unfortunately if you can't spend $100 on a used PC then you will no longer be able to play eve with the rest of us.
Herring Caldari Industrial Accidents Incorporated	Posted - 2009.03.11 07:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Please start using a computer built in the past 5 years. Thank you. Computer purchased last month. Your required alliance arrogant a$$hole comment is duly noted. Oh, and thank you so kindly for staying on topic.
Iamien Caldari Stargate SG-1 Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.03.11 07:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Herring Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Please start using a computer built in the past 5 years. Thank you. Computer purchased last month. Your required alliance arrogant a$$hole comment is duly noted. Oh, and thank you so kindly for staying on topic. He said built in the past 5 years, not sold in the past 5 years. There is a major difference.
Emperor D'Hoffryn EXTERMINATUS. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.03.11 07:42:00 - [35] These threads are silly. Every single MMO that EVE must compete with or will be competing with soon already have higher hardware requirements. EVE must upgrade or wither and die an obsolete death. EVE is in a bit of a unique position tho. What game has ever lasted this long, grown for this long, and been in a position where they had to upgrade to stay relevant. But, since we apparently must be cynical about it, let me put it this way. CCP is not worried about you leaving, because if you cannot play EVE due to old computeritis, you can't play any other MMO either. so where ya gonna go? (besides newegg) Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
Night Nerub Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.03.11 07:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Lyra Keiko Originally by: EmoRage QuitThread Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Please start using a computer built in the past 5 years. Thank you. My laptop is 9 months old and struggled giving a good frame rate (it was 15-20, so still playable). Frankly, STFU. Well said. Some people don't seem to understand that others don't have 3-4 high-spec machines that they replace every year. When the global economy is an uncertain as it is now, you ought to show some respect to those people who aren't able to upgrade. My laptop is barely 1 year old and struggles to run the current client to the extent classic did. Question: is it a gaming laptop? If it's not, than the point is moot. Laptops aren't made for games. Unless it's a gaming laptop, you could have bought it yesterday, or better yet, 3 months in the future, it still won't run Eve Premium well. So frankly, you STFU. And that other guy too.
Iamien Caldari Stargate SG-1 Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.03.11 07:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn EVE is in a bit of a unique position tho. What game has ever lasted this long, grown for this long, and been in a position where they had to upgrade to stay relevant. The original everquest had to do so at least twice. I remember buying a Geforce MX2(or 4 im not sure) at EB games after i received EQ for my birthday. I also later had to upgrade to a 5200 after EQ moved to shader 2.0.
Xenoxide Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.11 07:48:00 - [38] At the same time as everyones moaning, consider that for every person that can no longer play the game due to having an ancient computer, a couple of more people might have given the game a try that wouldn't give it a second look due to having crappy graphics.
Herring Caldari Industrial Accidents Incorporated	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn These threads are silly. Every single MMO that EVE must compete with or will be competing with soon already have higher hardware requirements. EVE must upgrade or wither and die an obsolete death. EVE is in a bit of a unique position tho. What game has ever lasted this long, grown for this long, and been in a position where they had to upgrade to stay relevant. But, since we apparently must be cynical about it, let me put it this way. CCP is not worried about you leaving, because if you cannot play EVE due to old computeritis, you can't play any other MMO either. so where ya gonna go? (besides newegg) I wouldn't go anywhere, you're right. The thing is, I just got a new computer. Obviously it's lagging a bit behind already. I'm probably able to find an updated driver soon that will fix my problem. That's not the point. The trend of upgrading graphics in the near future, while the economy is $hit worldwide and getting worse is only going to cause more people to not be able to pay for their addiction, especially if it means having to purchase new hardware that they would otherwise not need. Many other areas of game development could be breached in the next few years without having to further update graphics. Add some more conquerable space. Add some new t3 ships above cruisers. Whatever. But if I have to by next year or even the year after that upgrade to a new system just to play this game, then sorry I'm done. My corrupt government is printing money so fast that we're starting to feel a lumber shortage. Hyperinflation is right around the corner. Intuitional logic tells me that I'm not going to be able to afford jack **** in the next two years. So if this is a silly thread, then so be it.
Night Nerub Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:15:00 - [40] Edited by: Night Nerub on 11/03/2009 08:15:37 Originally by: Herring Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Stuff I wouldn't go anywhere, you're right. The thing is, I just got a new computer. Obviously it's lagging a bit behind already. I'm probably able to find an updated driver soon that will fix my problem. That's not the point. The trend of upgrading graphics in the near future, while the economy is $hit worldwide and getting worse is only going to cause more people to not be able to pay for their addiction, especially if it means having to purchase new hardware that they would otherwise not need. Many other areas of game development could be breached in the next few years without having to further update graphics. Add some more conquerable space. Add some new t3 ships above cruisers. Whatever. But if I have to by next year or even the year after that upgrade to a new system just to play this game, then sorry I'm done. My corrupt government is printing money so fast that we're starting to feel a lumber shortage. Hyperinflation is right around the corner. Intuitional logic tells me that I'm not going to be able to afford jack **** in the next two years. So if this is a silly thread, then so be it. New system you say? And you don't have good frames? What graphics card you have?

eliminator2 Gallente THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:18:00 - [41] me 2 i have dled the patch then dl a second smaller one and then it was up and to my surprise it all run fine no dt all of a sudden no crashes no major lag no glitch its all ace and i like any part of it CCP u have done an excellent job and all though's people moaning about stuff ignor them tbh because there gunna moan no matter what you do
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:19:00 - [42] Edited by: AKULA UrQuan on 11/03/2009 08:19:42 AMD X2 5000+ (2.6GHz running only one core atm) 2GB DDR2 Ram Geforce 8600GT Hardly a high end system and I built it for well under $300 US over a year ago. I'm getting 70FPS with just that ugly "bloom" thingy unticked. The rest is maxed. I wonder how people who run several accounts at once are doing?
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:24:00 - [43] My DELL Inspiron 6000 from 2005 has stopped working with the EVE client as well. Those were numerous playing sessions from my university and a huge load of emergency-POS defense ops / skill change attempts on some public Wifi or at places where I didn't plan to log onto EVE. It hurts that I won't be able to run my second account on the laptop while I play on my main computer, but there is little I can do about it except buying a new laptop. Which just won't happen in the near future. :) Tough luck really, but that's the way it is. Gotta live with it. -------- EBANK Forum Manager \| KIA Recruiting Director
Yabba Head	Posted - 2009.03.11 08:29:00 - [44] To all the people complaining about the graphics upgrade, hear this! If you were playing this game on a laptop, it was a luxery that is now gone. Laptops are NOT gaming machines, if you want to play games, use a desktop. If you were playing on a seriously outdated desktop and can longer handle it, UPGRADE! There are very cheap graphics cards out there that support shader 2.0, and if you can't afford $25 for a new card, how the hell can you afford to be playing EvE??
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.03.11 09:06:00 - [45] Edited by: Cors on 11/03/2009 09:15:13 Edited by: Cors on 11/03/2009 09:14:32 The funny thing about all these threads, is that all the people complaining about the upgrade are people who think that a computer should be ok for 5 years. MMO's constantly improve their game. Every once in a while, they do major changes to the graphics. EVE has just phased it in over a year, instead of doing it all at once. They COULD have made it so that only computers with a graphics card capable of Shader Model 3.0 could run eve. That would have screwed about 5% of the player base. Instead, they went with SM2.0 which excluded about 1.5% of the player base. And later this year will go to SM3.0. So all you complaining about poor performance, get used to it. Because later this year it'll happen AGAIN. A GAMEING COMPUTER(Not laptop) Needs to be upgraded every two years to stay current enough to play THIS YEARS games. A GAMEING LAPTOP needs to be replaced YEARLY to be able to play(At decent FPS) THIS YEARS games. A LAPTOP(something with an entry level GPU, low RAM, and so on) is good for internet, video's, and PRON. That's IT. It's NOT designed for Games. If you are out of work(Like me) then you are ***ed for an upgrade. Maybe you shoulda kept your system up to date like many of us, so when we ARE unemployed, we have a years grace before we start falling behind. My last hardware upgrade was in the first week of January. A nice shiney new vid card. 2 days after it was installed, my job was gone. But least I'm good for the next 2 years graphically. Upgrade, or go play WOW. Here. Look. This is one of the other MMO's that was released LAST YEAR and it's system requirements.. For Windows XP 2.5 GHz P4 (single core) processor or equivalent * 1 Gigabyte RAM * A 128 MB Video Card, with support for *Pixel Shader 2.0* * At least 15 GB of hard drive space For Windows VISTA * 2.5 GHz P4 processor or equivalent * 2 Gigabyte RAM * A 128 MB Video Card, with support for *Pixel Shader 2.0* * At least 15 GB of hard drive space Supported Video Cards ATI Radeon(TM) series * 9500, 9600, 9800 * X300, X600, X700, X800, X850 * X1300, X1600, X1800, X1900, X1950 * 2400, 2600, 2900 * 3650, 3850, 3870 * 4850, 4870 NVIDIA GeForce series * FX 5900, FX 5950 * 6600, 6800 * 7600, 7800, 7900, 7950 * 8400, 8500, 8600, 8800 * 9400, 9500, 9600, 9800 * GTX 260, GTX 280 Intel(R) Extreme Graphics * GMA X4500 Laptop versions of these chipsets may work, but may run comparatively slowly. Standalone cards that are installed in vanilla PCI slots (not PCIe or PCIx or AGP), such as some GeForce FX variants, will perform poorly. Integrated chipsets such as the ATI Xpress and the NVIDIA TurboCache variants will have low settings selected, but should run satisfactorily. Whanna know what game this is??? Warhammer. It came out LAST YEAR and it required SM2.0. So EVE is a ****ing YEAR behind. You guys are complaining.. SIG: If you're haveing trouble patching uninstall EVE. Download this. It's 1.9 gig. Install from scratch. http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/EVE_Premium_Setup_84244_m.exe
Gibmundur Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.11 10:20:00 - [46] My laptop plays eve better then before patch. Vista scores for my Dell Vostro 1500, 1.5 year old laptop Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz 4,9 Memory (RAM) 2,00 GB 4,8 Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT 4,6 Gaming graphics 1023 MB Total available graphics memory 5,3 Primary hard disk 30GB Free (136GB Total) 5,2 kibb
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Yabba Head Laptops are NOT gaming machines, if you want to play games, use a desktop. QFT. I often laugh at many of my fellow students on campus who complain that they cant do X on their laptops. Just goes to show you that group mentality has a far reaching effect. "Oh you should have a laptop, its the in thing!" "But laptops are horrablly underpowered and cant play many current computer games." "It doesnt matter! Get a laptop or dont be part of the in crowd!" "okay well if it will make me part of the in crowd...." All that said my laptop plays eve quite nicely for what I need it for. Research and ression era prices FTW. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Sturdy Girl	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:54:00 - [48] If you buy a laptop that wasn't designed for gaming, then tough **** if you cannot play Eve. Stop being such a cheapskate and buy a half decent gaming rig. Plus, you dont actually have to spend that much to get a laptop good for gaming.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:58:00 - [49] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 11/03/2009 16:59:55 People need to stop knocking laptops. My year-old machine can easily dual-client premium. A laptop is as good as a desktop with the same hardware, just more expensive. Originally by: Cors A GAMEING COMPUTER(Not laptop) Needs to be upgraded every two years to stay current enough to play THIS YEARS games. A GAMEING LAPTOP needs to be replaced YEARLY to be able to play(At decent FPS) THIS YEARS games. Lies. - DesuSigs
Grista	Posted - 2009.03.11 17:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Sounds like a personal problem there buddy. P4 2.8 GHZ 768 Megs RAM Nvidia GS 6800 Runs better than before... 2.4, 1GB, 6600 same experience for me - better than before, running 2 windowed clients on same PC I did have to set all the options (right side of video screen) to lowest setting, but even the stupid, new POS shield effects don't bother me. Now, they just need to put friendly control towers back on the overview, and get rid of POS module standings tags, and we're good to go.

Morlar	Posted - 2009.03.11 17:03:00 - [51] Many laptops can run games fine. However, you may need to do some serious geeking out to make sure your drivers are all updated. Not just the video driver. Your sound drivers. Your BIOS/chipset. Your NIC driver. (and make sure that it isn't using any power saving features) If you have an ATI card and your vendor doesn't offer current drivers, consider using the Omega Drivers (Google is your friend) The pounding I had to do to get my laptop to run Warhammer properly has paid off and Eve is now silky smooth.
Armoured Gamer Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.03.11 17:07:00 - [52] get better jobs ? buy smart and get a better PC when you purchase. most MMO require what eve is shifting out go back to runescape/travian/space4k/ogame My main has the flu but i am still here
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 11/03/2009 16:59:55 People need to stop knocking laptops. My year-old machine can easily dual-client premium. A laptop is as good as a desktop with the same hardware, just more expensive. Originally by: Cors A GAMEING COMPUTER(Not laptop) Needs to be upgraded every two years to stay current enough to play THIS YEARS games. A GAMEING LAPTOP needs to be replaced YEARLY to be able to play(At decent FPS) THIS YEARS games. Lies. Laptops are hardly as good as a desktop when it comes to gaming. In a desktop you can swap out parts as needed making upgrades far less expensive when needed, a laptop can not. A laptop offers mobility, meaning a eve player if fortunate enough to have a laptop powerful enough to play the game decently, can go out and about and play the game where he pleases, provided there is an internet signal and power outlet. The single advantage of mobility hardly compensates for a laptops lack of power and flexibility for upgrades when compared to a desktop. Its a bonus, not a competitor. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.


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