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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:24:00 -
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A 17year old used his fathers weapon, that seemingly were not properly locked away, to shoot at least 11 people in his former school.
While some people might be quick to jump to conclusions on what caused him going on a gun rampage, I would like to know. what is going wrong in the world.
This kind of school shootings were practically unknown a little over one decade ago and now they are getting increasingly common.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:26:00 -
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Page 1 snipa!
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jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:33:00 -
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far tooooo late...ive already posted it 
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:34:00 -
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Nothing is happening within people that was not happening before. But with the information revolution, there is a sort of cultural commons now. I am reminded of the line from the movie Primer, "They took from their surroundings what was needed and made of it something more." I think your answer is in that line. The destructive elements of culture evolve alongside the creative, borrowing from their surroundings in similar fashion, and today we have previously unheard of resources to draw upon. It is that much less likely that anything will remain isolated.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:36:00 -
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 Originally by: jason hill
far tooooo late...ive already posted it
With a spammy content-free subject like oops? I would sooner this thread stayed open, at least the OP made an effort.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:45:00 -
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What's wrong with the world? Gene Induction. The wrong ones are getting switched on whilst the right ones remain off, and most folks haven't figured out how to remedy that.
(Hint: Eating Ice Cream or Lifting weights; which will make you feel better?.)
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Elora Danzik
Caldari
Ward-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:51:00 -
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In the US, its realtivly easy to get a weapon. I thought Germany had very tough regulations on firearms.
Also, kids see it as an option now. Ever since colubine.
With the international media the way it is, its practially aired as its happening. So you hear about these things more.
Finally, if this happened in Africa. Nobody would care. But it happened in Germany, so it becomes an OMG situation. Heck if it happened in parts of South Central LA people would probably not care as much. Just like real estate Location location location.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:58:00 -
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Thats because in the 60-70's we had hippies. They give Hugs not bullets. Besides they were too stoned to give a ****.
In the 80-90s we had the GANSTAZ!!. They did all the shootings outside of school
Now we got the EMO's, nuff said.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.11 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory
What's wrong with the world? Gene Induction. The wrong ones are getting switched on whilst the right ones remain off, and most folks haven't figured out how to remedy that.
(Hint: Eating Ice Cream or Lifting weights; which will make you feel better?.)
Both. One is more physical one is more mental.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.03.11 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Brea Lafail on 11/03/2009 19:40:32
I challenge anyone to provide credible evidence to show that school shootings are actually more common rather than simply being more publicized.
P.S. There was absolutely nothing unique about Columbine except for a certain famous troll making a film about it. If you believe there was some sort of turning point where these things suddenly became more common, look back at least a few more years.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.11 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Edited by: Brea Lafail on 11/03/2009 19:40:32
I challenge anyone to provide credible evidence to show that school shootings are actually more common rather than simply being more publicized.
P.S. There was absolutely nothing unique about Columbine except for a certain famous troll making a film about it. If you believe there was some sort of turning point where these things suddenly became more common, look back at least a few more years.
I remember the days of showing up at school with rifles on our gun rack because we would have plans to go bird hunting after school and the principal wouldn't even so much as flinch.
Even when the school got a SRO he came out and talked to us about guns (as in what he had) and we even got some pretty cool stories from him about his time in vietnam (he served 4 tours as a gunner on a huey).
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:19:00 -
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Wow Germany, i figured the EU as super anal on anything gun when it comes to civilans.
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Cikulisuy
Amarr
Damage Incorporated.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:29:00 -
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i am a expert on this and it is definately <insert violent video game here>'s fault. HEAR ME? ITS ALL HALO'S FAULT!!!
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Wow Germany, i figured the EU as super anal on anything gun when it comes to civilans.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Edited by: Brea Lafail on 11/03/2009 19:40:32
I challenge anyone to provide credible evidence to show that school shootings are actually more common rather than simply being more publicized.
Sure. Check out this link.
Certainly school shootings go waaay back but they are far more common in the past 15 or so years than ever prior to that.
By my count off that list:
200+ years prior to 1994: 54
1994 - Today (last 15 years): 130
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"Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cikulisuy
i am a expert on this and it is definately <insert violent video game here>'s fault. HEAR ME? ITS ALL HALO'S FAULT!!!
Bet you Jack Thompson would be spinning in his grave if he wasn't still alive.
All those lost chances Jack, haha.
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Corwain
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:00:00 -
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Oh my god! A school shooting not in America!
I predict this one will be ignored by the general media and quickly be swept under the rug. German school shootings? Not news, not enough public hatred fueled to be worthy of the major news networks.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Oh my god! A school shooting not in America!
I predict this one will be ignored by the general media and quickly be swept under the rug. German school shootings? Not news, not enough public hatred fueled to be worthy of the major news networks.
Actually in Britain it is a lead news item like several others that have taken place in Europe in recent years. This sort of thing sells a lot of airtime whenever it happens in a developed country.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Sure. Check out this link.
Certainly school shootings go waaay back but they are far more common in the past 15 or so years than ever prior to that.
I also read wikipedia before posting, but using wikipedia, written by the media afflicted masses, to prove reality over perception is... questionable. Further detracting from the authority of wikipedia, events that are historically trivial, but recent, have their own article (e.g. Yang Xin).
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 11/03/2009 21:33:35
Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Sure. Check out this link.
Certainly school shootings go waaay back but they are far more common in the past 15 or so years than ever prior to that.
I also read wikipedia before posting, but using wikipedia, written by the media afflicted masses, to prove reality over perception is... questionable. Further detracting from the authority of wikipedia, events that are historically trivial, but recent, have their own article (e.g. Yang Xin).
Why attack the source?
I know it is chic these days to disown Wiki as worthless but that is a mistake. At the least it is a useful and handy starting point. The list in there is cited extensively. You can go look it all up separately if you want. If you are suggesting they made all those up that is crazy. If you have issue with anything on the list or the entire list then debunk the data and not the site carrying the data.
You were called out on your challenge and proved wrong. If you want to re-assert your case then it is up to you to provide more compelling data. Barring that I think it is safe to say school shootings are more common these days.
And who cares if a historically trivial event has an article there? It is Wiki...written by anyone and everyone. So someone thought Yang Xin deserved an article. Big deal.
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"Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
...using wikipedia, written by the media afflicted masses, to prove reality over perception is... questionable.
You mean there is selection bias on Wikipedia?
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Brea Lafail on 11/03/2009 22:36:09
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
trollin'
lulz
Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Brea Lafail
...using wikipedia, written by the media afflicted masses, to prove reality over perception is... questionable.
You mean there is selection bias on Wikipedia?
Well played.
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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:47:00 -
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Looks to me that human nature is actually the opposite of what the bleeding heart liberals want you to believe.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 00:10:00 -
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After giving the matter some thought, I believe it is a sign of moral bankruptcy.
The cause are not weapons, violent computer games or TV news, or any other scapegoat politicians will eagerly provide, but that the fundaments of human society are about to break apart.
In another thread someone asked why EVE is hated, and others replied that EVE is like RL without killing and Clones. I do not think the argument is entirely true but there is a grain of truth. What is happening is the world is a major ****up.
Banks are scamming thousands of people out of their money and most people in leading positions, politics or economy are devoid of any morals and only interested in keeping their power and increasing their wealth. It doesn't matter how much damage they cause to others, since other people are only abstract numbers to them and it only matters what they can get.
And these people are the only ones, the Kids can look up to. Not the hard working people, are the role model, but the manager that increases his salary during billion dollar fusion by a few 100% or the politician with flexible or not existing morals and a strong elbow.
In a MMORPG you can decide to stop your accounts and in this ****ed up world it seems, some people decide to leave with a Bang. It doesn't matter how much grief they cause to other people.
No, I am not Emo, I am sad and I am angry.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.12 00:11:00 -
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self.faithInHumanity--; //Value is now -4
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.12 00:15:00 -
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Quote:
What is wrong with the World?
Morons are allowing idiots with no self control access to firearms.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2009.03.12 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Quote:
What is wrong with the World?
Morons are allowing idiots with no self control access to firearms.
thats pretty much it.
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WhiteSavage
Gallente
Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Nothing is happening within people that was not happening before. But with the information revolution, there is a sort of cultural commons now. I am reminded of the line from the movie Primer, "They took from their surroundings what was needed and made of it something more." I think your answer is in that line. The destructive elements of culture evolve alongside the creative, borrowing from their surroundings in similar fashion, and today we have previously unheard of resources to draw upon. It is that much less likely that anything will remain isolated.
Your theory fails in that people were not doing this 20 years ago. When Columbine happened people were in shock, now its almost normal to hear about another one. To deny that this has become a problem is quite shallow. As for a destructive culture... thats debatable. Killing haphazardly with no definitive motive is new, and it is disgusting.
Trully as the OP said, what is happening?
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.12 03:12:00 -
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Now everyone in the EU must shut up forever about how horrible the US is for having school shootings
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.12 06:31:00 -
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What is wrong with the world? I can tell you but you probably won't like it, the term "money is the root of all evil" is completely true, it's existance shapes the society of the whole world, it has sucked people in that much that people actually believe that there is no alternative and that without money humans would lose motivation to live or contribute, this of course is hilarious.
Let's switch to education, your education comes with a catch, the whole time you are at school you are spoonfed an education to make you competitive in monetary society, you are also corruptly graded on the work you do to highlight potential failures to the system, this then of course ends up with certain people being left behind because they can not adapt as quickly to certain aspects of what they are being taught, after the first few years of school it soon becomes aparrent that the education has caused massive divides between children, this then has a devestating effect as human beings become seperate entities instead of one group united in a common goal, of course some people suffer more than others and resort to awful things like shooting a load of people, the populous then screams "execute the bastard" when what they should be saying is "another victim of a sick society", throw religion into this mix and you have even more of a problem. Humans should work together and not against each other.
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