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Drunk Entrepreneur	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:16:00 - [1] Wormhole space, great idea. the way it is now, not so much. So since yesterday Ive found 4 wormholes. Ran a couple of the sites and all was good. but today it happened, the hole closed behind me. Now ive been scanning for 4 hours to get back and I must say Im about 100% that there is no wormhole here. I can find grav sites, ladar sites and anomalies. no wormholes. Is this the way its supposed to be? If so this must be the most stupid game design I have ever seen. never ever ever have I been so frustrated with eve. I know how to scan, just cant seem to sort all the sutff I dont wanna find from the actual wormhole. wtf?
VJ Maverick Splinter Cell Alfa	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:19:00 - [2] Less drinking. More "entrepreneuring." -------- [
Raiven Parker The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:19:00 - [3] Edited by: Raiven Parker on 11/03/2009 18:19:31 Originally by: VJ Maverick Less drinking. More "entrepreneuring." Helpfull. now go f*** yourself.
Raiven Parker The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:20:00 - [4] Anyone. does wormholes not reappear untill downtime or?
Ekizel	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:22:00 - [5] I'm pretty sure it respawns instantly. My corp and I went through one in our 0.0 space, it collapsed behind me and then a bunch of neutrals who wouldn't have had access to the hole we used popped up in local asking if I knew the way out. Still ambiguous, since it could have been 2 wormholes that spawned originally (is that even possible?).
Nadezhda Andropov	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Raiven Parker Edited by: Raiven Parker on 11/03/2009 18:19:31 Originally by: VJ Maverick Less drinking. More "entrepreneuring." Helpfull. now go f* yourself. Hehe no, I think you **ed yourself pretty good there all by yourself, you muppet -----------------------------------------------
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:06:00 - [7] Other threads indicate initial signal strengths of .26 and .16 indicate wormholes. Hope this helps. I expect I'll be joining you shortly, and play my own version of "Lost in Space". EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
VJ Maverick Splinter Cell Alfa	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Raiven Parker Edited by: Raiven Parker on 11/03/2009 18:19:31 Originally by: VJ Maverick Less drinking. More "entrepreneuring." Helpfull. now go f*** yourself. Ooooh! I got a tip. Here is a tip for you. It's spelled "atheist." You're giving us a bad name. -------- [
Echo Vector Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:13:00 - [9] There is ALWAYS an exit. It isn't always easy to find. This, I believe, is by design.
Raiven Parker The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:13:00 - [10] Originally by: K'uata Sayus Other threads indicate initial signal strengths of .26 and .16 indicate wormholes. Hope this helps. I expect I'll be joining you shortly, and play my own version of "Lost in Space". Thx for the help but I resorted to selfdestructing to get back. couldnt be arsed to scan anymore. To you other guys I dont care how its spelled and I told you what to do. Goodday
VJ Maverick Splinter Cell Alfa	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Raiven Parker Originally by: K'uata Sayus Other threads indicate initial signal strengths of .26 and .16 indicate wormholes. Hope this helps. I expect I'll be joining you shortly, and play my own version of "Lost in Space". Thx for the help but I resorted to selfdestructing to get back. couldnt be arsed to scan anymore. To you other guys I dont care how its spelled and I told you what to do. Goodday Hmm.. I thought atheists were supposed to be intellectuals. You must be a Christian spy - scheming to take down your own corp. -------- [
Psi Draconis	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Drunk Entrepreneur Wormhole space, great idea. the way it is now, not so much. So since yesterday Ive found 4 wormholes. Ran a couple of the sites and all was good. but today it happened, the hole closed behind me. Now ive been scanning for 4 hours to get back and I must say Im about 100% that there is no wormhole here. I can find grav sites, ladar sites and anomalies. no wormholes. Is this the way its supposed to be? If so this must be the most stupid game design I have ever seen. never ever ever have I been so frustrated with eve. I know how to scan, just cant seem to sort all the sutff I dont wanna find from the actual wormhole. wtf? So you missed the billion whines about EVE PVE being too easy and boring? Did you also miss that part you can always exit w-space by selfdestructing?
foobarx	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:56:00 - [13] I'm having a slightly different problem for the same reason. Went to scan a wormhole system yesterday and there were so many signals right on top of each other it was nearly impossible to figure out when I was scanning down the same signal for the second time. But you don't have to scan a signal to 100% to figure out what it is, so if you're looking for something specific (like a wormhole) the scanning is much faster.
Raiven Parker The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.11 20:01:00 - [14] Yes, Roman Catholic Church but dont tell my CEO. Originally by: foobarx I'm having a slightly different problem for the same reason. Went to scan a wormhole system yesterday and there were so many signals right on top of each other it was nearly impossible to figure out when I was scanning down the same signal for the second time. But you don't have to scan a signal to 100% to figure out what it is, so if you're looking for something specific (like a wormhole) the scanning is much faster. This is the problem I had. the system was very small and with numerous signals it was nearly impossible to pinpoint a wormhole. If ccp would only add a filter to exclude radar, ladar, mag and grav sites
DragonWarp	Posted - 2009.03.12 10:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Raiven Parker Yes, Roman Catholic Church but dont tell my CEO. Originally by: foobarx I'm having a slightly different problem for the same reason. Went to scan a wormhole system yesterday and there were so many signals right on top of each other it was nearly impossible to figure out when I was scanning down the same signal for the second time. But you don't have to scan a signal to 100% to figure out what it is, so if you're looking for something specific (like a wormhole) the scanning is much faster. This is the problem I had. the system was very small and with numerous signals it was nearly impossible to pinpoint a wormhole. If ccp would only add a filter to exclude radar, ladar, mag and grav sites I would love it if wormholes were their own scan group. It also makes sense, for the same reason that cosmic anomaly's are their own scan group. For me, the problem was not so much finding a wormhole in W-Space, although, I tried and couldn't. The main issue was finding wormholes in K-space when I was looking for complexes. I would jump into a system, there would be a cosmic signature, so I would have to spend 10 minutes getting it to ~70% before finding out it was a wormhole, and then flying off to the next system. I really miss the old system where a multi-spec would tell you exactly what types were in a system, and how you could scan for specific types and stuff.... On the other hand, the speed and flexibility of this new system is pretty nice.... We just need to be able to filter better, and earlier, or have wormholes separate....
Mr Daytrading Gallente Confederation of DuckTape Lovers	Posted - 2009.03.12 10:12:00 - [16] wtf is wrong with u people, train up some scanning skills before u go probing in a whormhole.... yes skill does matter expecialy in a wh. If i get 7 signatures at one place i just bomb the place with 8 probes, giving me atleast 4 to 5 names of the sites (70%or better) stop whining and start skilling
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.03.12 10:26:00 - [17] Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Raiven Parker Originally by: K'uata Sayus Other threads indicate initial signal strengths of .26 and .16 indicate wormholes. Hope this helps. I expect I'll be joining you shortly, and play my own version of "Lost in Space". Thx for the help but I resorted to selfdestructing to get back. couldnt be arsed to scan anymore. To you other guys I dont care how its spelled and I told you what to do. Goodday Hmm.. I thought atheists were supposed to be intellectuals. You must be a Christian spy - scheming to take down your own corp. Oh god I lol'd hard. /me starts humming ''There's no way out of here'' - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Naomi Wynn Amarr Wynn Industries	Posted - 2009.03.12 11:02:00 - [18] You know, you can always log and go visit the sunshine for a bit, then come back and try again. There are always exits. Your frustration is likely causing you to fail.
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.03.12 11:09:00 - [19] So you flew through the mystical portal into the uncharted lands of unknowedness,, and you're surprised you are now lost? --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
Naomi Wynn Amarr Wynn Industries	Posted - 2009.03.12 11:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg So you flew through the mystical portal into the uncharted lands of unknowedness,, and you're surprised you are now lost? This. Warning screens are useless CCP. Take them down. Take them the f*** down because no one has any foresight or sense of self-responsibility. Better yet, why don't you just nerf this beautiful gift you've given us, CCP, because there are players that prefer crying to solving the problems they got themselves into.
Daitanfutekina Unsoya	Posted - 2009.03.12 11:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Naomi Wynn There are always exits. Your frustration is likely causing you to fail. this. Also if a system having alot of sigs in a small space is your problem, then you have to go back to probing 101
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.12 11:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Naomi Wynn Originally by: Jmanis Catharg So you flew through the mystical portal into the uncharted lands of unknowedness,, and you're surprised you are now lost? This. Warning screens are useless CCP. Take them down. Take them the f*** down because no one has any foresight or sense of self-responsibility. Better yet, why don't you just nerf this beautiful gift you've given us, CCP, because there are players that prefer crying to solving the problems they got themselves into. Funny how the lamentation about being lost in space seems to be coming almost unerringly from people that usually never leave highsec. Then again i suppose your average missionbot is entirely out of his comfort zone when he or she no longer has complete control over their fate and might actually, gosh, have to deal with other players in a confrontational manner besides smack. Yes i hate missionbears, why don't you try and solo a sleeper spawn about it. [i] Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.12 12:21:00 - [23] I too am "Lost in Space" But I'm finding it quite fun! When I do finds holes so far all have lead to another WS. \o/ Trying the lure the unsuspecting "Is anyone here? Can you help me? I'm lost." capsuleer into my clutches is fun too. Got one to warp to me and his ship's destruction. Great fun. Lots of lols for me.
NeO TheMiner	Posted - 2009.03.12 12:38:00 - [24] I to this morning got lost in a w-space. I have played eve online for ages but had very limited experience using probes etc, when the worm hole closed behind me i was LOL. So I started out scanning for cosmic sigs, and behold there was LOTS. It took me over an hour to scan the right one down to a good strength so it gave a description, and longer to actually geta 100% scan of a worm hole to jump to. Total agreement goes to changing scan filter to look for 'wormm holes' only. This would be a tremedous help to everyone.
Renniq	Posted - 2009.03.12 12:39:00 - [25] The way I see it this stuff is supposed to be hard, different, challenging, and not everyone's cup of tea. I'm personally loving it, and I probably have very little business in wormholes for another week or so, if that. I accept the risks going in, though. As to the OP, if there wasn't a way out, then that is worthy of *****ing about, certainly, but as to the rest of the thread? Really, just seems like alot of people don't want it to be that challenging. If so, just don't go.
NeO TheMiner	Posted - 2009.03.12 12:47:00 - [26] I myself love the challenges w-space gives, the harder rats, t3 loot. But my only arguement is the Scanner Filter. Since I am one of the few in the corp who has descent scanning skills, only we get frustrated with it. Everyone else is YARR.
Miranda Cho	Posted - 2009.03.12 13:32:00 - [27] If you had a guaranteed easy find on a yellow brick road outta wormhole space, that's take half the excitement out of it. The sleepers don't like you being there, but that's only half the danger; this isn't known space where you go 'Oh, that gate's offline, alright, plot another course through highsec, I need to get through there anyway.' No nav beacons, no helping hand you don't bring along with you. Don't want to get trapped? Bring a good scout, or better yet good scouts. Watch the wormhole like a hawk for signs of destabilization. Don't just scout for sites to exploit early on, poke around for wormholes BEFORE your entrance implodes. I've been stuck in Wormhole space already, it's a thrill, that fear of 'oh crap, will I make it? How will I get out?' is something I never want to lose. Hands off, boys. In short, Welcome to the Jungle, We've Got Fun and Games and also Sleepers who want to kill you to death. -Miranda Cho, Fearghul Reconnaissance
Raiven Parker The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:36:00 - [28] Ofc I saw the warnings before jumping in there I just didnt expect it to take a day before the new wh could be located. and to everyone saying get scanning skills plz stfu. Ive made multiple billions doing explo and have everything at 4/5. Its not my skills its just that the system was so damn small and filled with grav/ladar sites that the WH was next to impossible to find. And yes I to get the feeling that most of the people trolling in this thread has never even been in a wormhole. Also the remark about me beeing surprised at the level of difficulty of the sleepers you are wrong. We dealt with the sleepers easily enough. the problem was all about getting out again.
Raiven Parker The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.14 12:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Psi Draconis Originally by: Drunk Entrepreneur Wormhole space, great idea. the way it is now, not so much. So since yesterday Ive found 4 wormholes. Ran a couple of the sites and all was good. but today it happened, the hole closed behind me. Now ive been scanning for 4 hours to get back and I must say Im about 100% that there is no wormhole here. I can find grav sites, ladar sites and anomalies. no wormholes. Is this the way its supposed to be? If so this must be the most stupid game design I have ever seen. never ever ever have I been so frustrated with eve. I know how to scan, just cant seem to sort all the sutff I dont wanna find from the actual wormhole. wtf? So you missed the billion whines about EVE PVE being too easy and boring? Did you also miss that part you can always exit w-space by selfdestructing? So did you also miss the part were you could use your eyes to read above before posting bull**** like this?
Desequenced Gallente Sentient Biotechnology Invention	Posted - 2009.03.14 15:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Raiven Parker Its not my skills its just that the system was so damn small and filled with grav/ladar sites that the WH was next to impossible to find. And yes I to get the feeling that most of the people trolling in this thread has never even been in a wormhole. So, let me get this straight: You went into the wormhole. You were expecting hard sleepers. You were not expecting a hard-to-scan wormhole system. You were not expecting the wormhole to close behind you. You killed the hard sleepers. You got stumped by the hard-to-scan system, once the wormhole closed behind you. Insted of adapting, you decided to come to forums and whine. Please, point out to me where this is not "Working as intended". Wormholes are meant to be difficult in any combination of ways... if you're not prepared for all of them, prepare to lolfail.

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