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Lexor SLice	Posted - 2005.06.09 15:48:00 - [61] Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki Edited by: Ronyo Dae'Loki on 15/08/2004 07:13:33 Every person's skills and combat prefereces vary, but there is one thing everyone agrees on: the Thorax is a dedicated blaster-boat. With the new 2nd bonus that helps remove the capacitor penalty from using a MWD, this is even more true. Basic setup notes for a Thorax: Hi Slots 4 or 5 Heavy Blasters 1 Smartbomb or Medium Nosferatu Which blasters you use depend on three things: what you put on the rest of the ship, what you're planning to fight, and what your skills are like. Neutrons/Ions are what you'll want for fighting other cruisers or tackling battleships, and Ions/Electrons for taking down smaller ships. Oh yeah, you should always be using Antimatter M, unless you begin to have cap trouble (which you shouldn't unless you have really bad cap skills). If you are having cap trouble, switch to Plutonium M. If you're planning to fight Amarr cruisers or frigates, a medium nosferatu may be a good choice to disable your enemy while supplimenting your own capacitor charge. Mid Slots 1 10MN Microwarp Drive 1 Warp Scrambler/Disruptor (I recommend a strength 2, 7.5km range) 1 Webifier -OR- 1 Medium Cap Battery II (or named Medium Cap Battery I) The Webifier is a must if you're going to be fighting frigates or faster cruisers, especially Minmatar cruisers. If you have some wingmates that can do webifying for you, or if you're tackling lone battleships, it might be a good idea to suppliment your capacitor instead. Low Slots 1 Medium Armor Repairer II (or of course named Medium Armor Repairer I) 1 400mm Plating (rolled tungsten is best armor, nanofiber for more speed) 3 Support Modules (Damage Mods, Power Diagnostics, etc. Try to avoid using Reactor Controls) Though the armor repairer isn't a must, it's a damn good idea if you want to have any sort of survivability beyond one battle. If you're tackling lone battleships, it's the only way to go, otherwise you probably won't survive. The support modules will depend on your skills and what guns you have mounted in your high slots. Hope that helps. errr, sorry for souding like a total noob, which i am, sorta, i gotta say, i just looked at the numbers, how are you supposed to fit all that equpment on a thorax, the powergrid wont take it. i could be wrong, but i just wanted to ask.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.09 15:56:00 - [62] The tried and true best setups for a thorax are 5 150 IIs (rapes frigs) or 5 light neutron IIs (rapes everything else) mwd, web, 20km 1600 plate, rep, whatever else you want 8x heavys things go boom fast
Amrotis	Posted - 2005.06.09 15:59:00 - [63] Edited by: Amrotis on 09/06/2005 15:59:40 4x Heavy Ion Blasters 1x Heavy Electron Blaster 1x 10mn MWD 1x Web 1x Scrambler 5x Mag Stab IIs 8x Heavy Drones \o/
GLok	Posted - 2005.08.31 11:18:00 - [64] This setup is ftw High: 5 Light Neutron blaster II's Med: 10mn mwd statis webifier (named -90% speed) warp scrambler (20km) Low: Medium armour rep (t2 or accomodation) 3 hardeners (kinetic, thermal and explosive) 1600mm Plate (i use a nanofiber one) -------------------------------------------------
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.08.31 11:30:00 - [65] Originally by: GLok This setup is ftw High: 5 Light Neutron blaster II's Med: 10mn mwd statis webifier (named -90% speed) warp scrambler (20km) Low: Medium armour rep (t2 or accomodation) 3 hardeners (kinetic, thermal and explosive) 1600mm Plate (i use a nanofiber one) Yeah.. would be a good fit.. IF it would be doable... I have maxed out fitting skills.. and it just not fit .. CPU and PG is also problematic... The MWD and t2 med repairer just wont go on it togather with the 1600mm + 5 small neutron t2... - New sig coming soon..
Coeleth	Posted - 2005.08.31 11:55:00 - [66] Well, since everyone else is, I'll put in my 2cents I'm running the following setup High - 4x tech 2 light neutrons, 1x medium Nos Med - MWD, webby, scrambler (use a cap recharger for missioning) low - 1 med repairer(t2), 3x energized plating, 800mm plates Yes, I have a lot of skills focused on this set up, the tech2 stuff isn't vital, the guns still land 40-60 using tech 1s The 800mm slows the ship down some, but by the time you have enough skills to do a thorax justice, you'll be going fast enough not to notice. The 800mm gives you some breathing space, which is needed for very close range fighting, since you'll always be busy busy trying to keep your ship in the right position. Sure, it's a cruiser, you'll be running away from battleships on the whole, but its a setup that can tank and tackle pretty much anything else.
Coeleth	Posted - 2005.08.31 11:59:00 - [67] Originally by: Balazs Simon Originally by: GLok This setup is ftw High: 5 Light Neutron blaster II's Med: 10mn mwd statis webifier (named -90% speed) warp scrambler (20km) Low: Medium armour rep (t2 or accomodation) 3 hardeners (kinetic, thermal and explosive) 1600mm Plate (i use a nanofiber one) Yeah.. would be a good fit.. IF it would be doable... I have maxed out fitting skills.. and it just not fit .. CPU and PG is also problematic... The MWD and t2 med repairer just wont go on it togather with the 1600mm + 5 small neutron t2... I concur, everyone yells 1600mm at me, but the powergrid just doesn't add up.
Tinweasel	Posted - 2005.08.31 14:50:00 - [68] Edited by: Tinweasel on 31/08/2005 14:58:18 dual 150's along the top mids....ew...cap recharge, shield tank...whatever. 1600 plate, +mods to make it fit. or, go with the regular 150 2's and fit a tank on top of the 1600. or or or. put stuff on there till you find something that works for how You want it to fly.
Tadis	Posted - 2005.08.31 15:21:00 - [69] This is my set-up. Are you sitting comfortably... then Ill begin. HIGH slots: 5 x Light Neutron II's MID slots: MWD Named 7.5k Named webber LOW slots: Medium accomodation rep 2 x energized adaptive membranes II 1600 rolled tungsten Cpr Another set-up Im playing with. High slots: 3 x light neutron II's 2 x named small Nos MID slots: MWD named webber nammed scrambler LOW slots: Medium acco 1600 tungsten energized adaptive membrane energized reactive membrane Mag stab II For both my drones are 3 x beserkers 1 x ogre 2 x wasps 2 x praetors
Nyxus	Posted - 2005.08.31 15:50:00 - [70] Omg....a couple of things to understand. You NEED 8 heavy drones. Train em up now. You NEED a 1600mm Plate for survivability Ok now it just comes down to options. Since the 1600plate precludes medium guns, any small gun will do since they receive no ship bonus. Using small blasters is utterly retarded because the range is so short that any distance gun makes up for in damage what you lose in travel time to reach blaster optimal. So in that case it leaves you with If you have good engineering skills 5 Medium Beam II's for better tracking and damage (these are small lasers) If your skills or lasers are lacking then 5 150mm II's Both have excellent unbonused damage, can hit out to 25km, and do great damage to both frigates and larger vessels. The only time to use blaster is perhaps pirating where you are picking your fights. Even then I think Lasers/Rails are better overall damage while providing more versatility. The Med slots are a no brainer. Web, MWD/AB (depending on what your skills can fit), disruptor/injector/whatever. Low slots you will need a Medium T2 rep or named, and either damage mods (appropriate to gun use) or you can go 3 hardners for max defensiveness. Any way you go, remember that your drones are providing the major offense and your guns are providing backup. If you have to shut off your guns to rep or whatever that is not a big deal. Nyxus
Crellion	Posted - 2005.08.31 16:01:00 - [71] Originally by: DrunkenOne The tried and true best setups for a thorax are 5 150 IIs (rapes frigs) or 5 light neutron IIs (rapes everything else) mwd, web, 20km 1600 plate, rep, whatever else you want 8x heavys things go boom fast Drunken 4tehwin. But to add my 2p.: I am more inclined towards the 5x150II than the 5xS Neutrons. 2 reasons really: 1) You meet a lot of elite frigs that think they can kill a Rax (foolish) 2) S blasters have VERY limited optimal and rails@optimal>blasters@fallof I think. This means that it takes trully superior flying skills (player not character) to bring their effectiveness up and above that of S rails. Personally i am still too much of a noob for S blasters on a heavy cruiser laden with a 1600 plate. It might make me less effective in solo killing BSs but with the Heavy drones I might be ok anyway. Moreover if you are primarily going after a BS it must be one that cant really hit you very well (under its guns and no heavy NOSes or with EW support) In that case why not ditch plate and fit M blasters anyway?
spRAYed	Posted - 2005.09.01 09:18:00 - [72] Originally by: Manyara Anti bs 1x set of instas to nearest safespot. 1x anti scanner protocol (i.e, log) I dont see the problem, i have less then 10 mil SP, and killed my first BS (Geddon) in a simple Thorax last week.. Dont come up with "ah he must have been a n00b" any gankgeddon would die because he simply cant tank. Setup: High: 5x Light Neutron II's Mids: MWD (MUST!) Scrambler(1v1 7.5km) Webbifier. Lows: Medium Armor Rep, 1600 Nanofiber, Explosive Hardener I, Cap power relay, last can be either dmg mod/warp core stab etc ( i prefer stab cuz i always engage the impossible :P). DRONES!!! : 8 Berserkers, always choose drones that do different damage then your guns to get through both shields/armor. (also 6 large and 10 small will do) Blaster will own damage wize, get in close with MWD. Orbit 500k (ship will stay at 1.5-2k anyway) and u'll be fine, and tech II smalls still hit from 50 up to 180 every 2.77 seconds. I do have to say.....cap sucks..they should give u a bonus on MWD usage together with blasters(wich also take loads of cap), And yes ^this^ is the setup for taking on that Geddon aswell. I frapsed it if u dont believe what i'm saying here.
Crellion	Posted - 2005.09.01 10:11:00 - [73] Corp m8 same last night :\ Geddons pilots (it seems) really need to get their drone skills sorted.
Statix	Posted - 2005.09.22 16:29:00 - [74] HIGH 3X 250mm 2x 150mm MED 1x Web 1x 20km scram 1x Cap Recharger I LOWS 1x Med T2 Armour rep 1x Small T2 Armour rep 3x cap relays And ofcourse: A ****load of drones. :)
Kamate	Posted - 2005.09.23 03:58:00 - [75] A properly fitted rax is a thing to be feared. I have racked up many a kill in a plated rax with small blasters or nos. I occasionally go with nos incase i get nossed. Keeps me alive long enough to kill em. I have taken down prophecys, eagles and loads of frigs t1 and t2. Too bad about the balancing of the drone bay...though will still be good. Would love to go head to head wiht a platerax in my ishtar thatd be fun.
Antiseptic	Posted - 2005.10.08 11:19:00 - [76] I use this setup which has served me really well in the past. High: 4x Med Neutron Blasters 1x Small nos Med: standard thoax 1x 10 mwd , 1x Warp Disruptor , 1x Web Low: Small Armor Rep II ,2x damage mods 2x Rcu II my skills arn't so superb yet so i need those Rcu.
Minnow maught	Posted - 2005.10.08 12:04:00 - [77] 5xLight Neutron II's 1xDomination Webber 1x7.5km Warp Scram 1xAfterburner II 1x1600mm Plate II 1xExplosive Hardner II 2xAdaptive Nano II 1x Medium rep II Oh and 7 Heavy T II drones and 2 Medium T II drones For multiple BS rat spawns switch the warp Scram for a T2 Battery and 1600mm plate II for named T1<< works for triple Angel BS spawns, probably easier for other rat types. The challenge will be what to fit after the next patch !!
Tadis	Posted - 2005.10.08 15:09:00 - [78] A good Thorax is a opponent to be reckoned with. With a light neutron blaster II outfit it can deal a lot of dmg very quickly, and with the plated tank it can absorb a heck of a lot of damage. Cruisers go pop and BS's unless equipped correctly can really struggle with a Thorax (neutron's make easy meat of any drones that come your way).
Zynic	Posted - 2005.11.26 00:06:00 - [79] I just came up with this pvp-setup, and it should work pretty well :) High slots: 5 x Light Neutron Blaster II Medium slots: 1 x 10MN Microwarp drive I 1 x Tracking Disruptor I 1 x Warp Scrambler I Low slots: 1 x Energized Magnetic Membrane I 1 x Energized Thermic Membrane I 1 x Armor Explosive Hardener I 1 x 1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plate 1 x Small Armor Repairer II 8 x heavy drones of your choice, I usually go with 8 Berserker I's because most people I attack is armortanking. Though a good mix might be 4 Praetors(EM) and 4 Berserkers(EXPL) According to my dpscalculator I would get about 180 dps with this setup, but that's when shooting at a standard armor resistance. 60% EM, 10% EXPL, 35% KIN, 35% THE. The Tracking Disruptor increases their chance to miss, and even if they hit you your resistance( with my skills: 60% EM, 55% EXP, 56% KIN, 56% THE ) and armor plate will keep you alive more than long enough to finish your foe with your guns and your drones. Just use one boost from the Microwarp Drive to get within range, orbit them and use your tracking disruptor and scrambler to cripple them and then they're an easy prey :P Have fun!
Dracu1a	Posted - 2006.01.09 08:16:00 - [80] Since RMR has much changed from the overall idea of a good thorax setup? What do yall's setups look like now after RMR? PVP?
Neopel Swenski	Posted - 2006.01.10 09:52:00 - [81] I'm pretty sure mine suck. I mean, I have to trick the rats to follow me. I get them seperated, then kill them off one by one using the help of my drones... That's prety much how I handle the frigs. But when it comes to the bc's and such, I move in fast with my mwd and kill them off while armor tanking. If anybody can post a good post-RMR Thorax pvp/npc setup, that would be very helpful.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.01.10 10:01:00 - [82] Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 10/01/2006 10:03:34 5x ions mwd, web, scrambler 400mm plate, smallarmor rep, 3x mag stabs soar angelic now recruting
Sacred Badger	Posted - 2006.01.10 11:56:00 - [83] Really?
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.24 00:34:00 - [84] Well, I'm trying to find a railgun setup, but everyone here who seems like they're pretty showy with their rax is using blasters. Someone recommend me a GOOD railgun setup please :) I have 3x 250mm Prototype Gauss. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Saya Lee	Posted - 2006.04.12 08:28:00 - [85] you all talking about useing blasters or rails or any king of weapon, i think that's not the way Thorax shuld be used. I prefer this setup hi: 5x medium nosferatu (named) me: 10nm MWD, webifier, tracking disruptor (named) lo: 2x warp core stabilizer, 2x PDU (named) you see there is no weapons here, i prefer to fight with drones. i think they can make more demage then any hybrid gun. with drones skills high enough you can fight two batleships at the same time.
Breed Love	Posted - 2006.04.12 08:40:00 - [86] Originally by: Saya Lee you all talking about useing blasters or rails or any king of weapon, i think that's not the way Thorax shuld be used. I prefer this setup hi: 5x medium nosferatu (named) me: 10nm MWD, webifier, tracking disruptor (named) lo: 2x warp core stabilizer, 2x PDU (named) you see there is no weapons here, i prefer to fight with drones. i think they can make more demage then any hybrid gun. with drones skills high enough you can fight two batleships at the same time. Why not get a vexor instead? ------ Originally by: Gazon In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
Saya Lee	Posted - 2006.04.12 08:52:00 - [87] Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: Saya Lee you all talking about useing blasters or rails or any king of weapon, i think that's not the way Thorax shuld be used. I prefer this setup hi: 5x medium nosferatu (named) me: 10nm MWD, webifier, tracking disruptor (named) lo: 2x warp core stabilizer, 2x PDU (named) you see there is no weapons here, i prefer to fight with drones. i think they can make more demage then any hybrid gun. with drones skills high enough you can fight two batleships at the same time. Why not get a vexor instead? thorax have bonus for MWD. more CPU and PG, i doubt you can fit this setup on vexor, but vexor is also good, my 2nd choice
Breed Love	Posted - 2006.04.12 09:12:00 - [88] Originally by: Saya Lee thorax have bonus for MWD. more CPU and PG, i doubt you can fit this setup on vexor, but vexor is also good, my 2nd choice Hmm, why is the lack of mwd bonus such a problem? You dont have any active tank on that thorax, the only thing using cap is the webber and tracking disrupter. You dont need any nos to run that, if you arent nosed yourself... even in a vexor with an mwd fitted. And if it all doesnt fit, just replace a medium nos with a small one and it will be fine. ------ Originally by: Gazon In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
Saya Lee	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:40:00 - [89] Edited by: Saya Lee on 12/04/2006 10:44:07 the problem is MWD use to much cap. CAP consumption is ower 22/sec with 10mn MWD, webber and tracking disruptor turned on. that means you can go dry with cap in a 60-70 sec. what you say works for fighting frigates, but batleships i can probably go with 3 med nosferatus and 2 ion blasters after all everything is about skill training thx for reply, appreciate you info.......
Severio	Posted - 2006.04.26 19:10:00 - [90] My PVP/NPC Rax High) 3x limited heavy electron blasters, 2x named medium nos med) 1x named 10mn mwd, 1x named webber, 1x named warp scram (7.5k) low) 1x med t2 armour rep, 1x named explosive hardner (50%) 2x energized adapt nano (15% all resistance, 18% with comp skills at lvl 4) 1x 400mm rolled tungsten plate 5x valkrye's (t2) Needs high skills to fit but works well, even killed dual 800k angel bs with it..

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