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Darkcraft
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:25:00 -
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Can we get the 1744 patch out as an emergency fix or atleast optional patch for the 1000s of players on dial up access?
At the moment pvp is unplayable and the 1744 patch seems to address this, atleast in the limited testing i've done.
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Darkcraft
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:25:00 -
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Can we get the 1744 patch out as an emergency fix or atleast optional patch for the 1000s of players on dial up access?
At the moment pvp is unplayable and the 1744 patch seems to address this, atleast in the limited testing i've done.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:46:00 -
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Let me get this right, you want a patch.. to increase your line speed?
are you one of those people that downloads software promising to increase you connection speed?
Get on ISDN or equivilent cable service, it only costs about ú3 more a month than your AOL dialup.
The old "waaa i have no money" excuse is just that.. an excuse. Being on dialup actually costs you more money in terms of time it takes you to do the simplest of things like read a few web pages, check your email.
paying some more money to get off dialup is well worth the lack of stress and means you can actually get stuff done when you use the PC.
Dialup internet was never intended to play games over, it was for plain text web pages. The fact you can play games on it at all is down to some canny programmers over the years.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:46:00 -
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Let me get this right, you want a patch.. to increase your line speed?
are you one of those people that downloads software promising to increase you connection speed?
Get on ISDN or equivilent cable service, it only costs about ú3 more a month than your AOL dialup.
The old "waaa i have no money" excuse is just that.. an excuse. Being on dialup actually costs you more money in terms of time it takes you to do the simplest of things like read a few web pages, check your email.
paying some more money to get off dialup is well worth the lack of stress and means you can actually get stuff done when you use the PC.
Dialup internet was never intended to play games over, it was for plain text web pages. The fact you can play games on it at all is down to some canny programmers over the years.
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Darkcraft
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:53:00 -
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Your ignorance is insulting, had you read the patch notes or have even the slightest idea of what i'm talking about you would realise how stupid you made yourself look.
1744 is meant the fix the problem where agression stances aren't being cached and so when pvp is initiated you sit there unable to do anything, you modules doing nothing, while EVE does its calculations. This happens everytime an agressive act is started, from my understanding, when it shouldn't. This is why for those who are on dial up access pvp is unplayable.
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Darkcraft
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:53:00 -
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Your ignorance is insulting, had you read the patch notes or have even the slightest idea of what i'm talking about you would realise how stupid you made yourself look.
1744 is meant the fix the problem where agression stances aren't being cached and so when pvp is initiated you sit there unable to do anything, you modules doing nothing, while EVE does its calculations. This happens everytime an agressive act is started, from my understanding, when it shouldn't. This is why for those who are on dial up access pvp is unplayable.
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Tokka Konnair on 15/08/2004 15:58:00
EDIT: actualy scrub that ... there's so many things wrong with Tristan's post i'm not gonna bother
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.08.15 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Tokka Konnair on 15/08/2004 15:58:00
EDIT: actualy scrub that ... there's so many things wrong with Tristan's post i'm not gonna bother
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Madhog
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:05:00 -
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EVE Lags for ADSL users in combat, always has always will do, unfortunatly people with 56k dialup etc. cannot play this game they pay for with ease, I have tried to log-in with 56k and it took so long i disconnected, its rediculous and something needs to be brought in to aid those in need.
Note: SOME people cannot get higher connections than 56k/isdn for numerous reasons.
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Madhog
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:05:00 -
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EVE Lags for ADSL users in combat, always has always will do, unfortunatly people with 56k dialup etc. cannot play this game they pay for with ease, I have tried to log-in with 56k and it took so long i disconnected, its rediculous and something needs to be brought in to aid those in need.
Note: SOME people cannot get higher connections than 56k/isdn for numerous reasons.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:28:00 -
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Yes it does ;lag even for people on DSL. im on a 1.5mb connection and it still lags.
you miss my point, you are using a steam roller, and expecting it to do the job of a F1 car.
In ANY game i have ever played people on dialup whine that they get lag, and im sorry but what on earth do you expect. People have been whining about lag on dialup as long as dialup has been around, but as i said 56k was never intended to play games over, it was for loading plain text web pages with.
No matter how tuned EVE becomes, you are still going to get lag! why? because your using a steam roller to enter a F1 race!
its like complaining to blockbuster that the VHS tape you just hired hasnt got extra features on it and isnt as good quality as the DVD Mr Bloggs rented out.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:28:00 -
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Yes it does ;lag even for people on DSL. im on a 1.5mb connection and it still lags.
you miss my point, you are using a steam roller, and expecting it to do the job of a F1 car.
In ANY game i have ever played people on dialup whine that they get lag, and im sorry but what on earth do you expect. People have been whining about lag on dialup as long as dialup has been around, but as i said 56k was never intended to play games over, it was for loading plain text web pages with.
No matter how tuned EVE becomes, you are still going to get lag! why? because your using a steam roller to enter a F1 race!
its like complaining to blockbuster that the VHS tape you just hired hasnt got extra features on it and isnt as good quality as the DVD Mr Bloggs rented out.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:19:00 -
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Tristan your ignorance amusues me quite a bit, you seem to think that since its not your problem its not a problem at all and nothing but whining, the recent patch has almost killed the game for dial up users and a fix is being or already has been made, not yet launched on TQ though.
That rant you made about people being to cheap to buy better connection shows that you have a very hard time figuring out how things are where you do not live and again your ignorance just hurts my brain when I read your posts in this thread, why you ask, its simple and I will write it down in bold here below.
Some towns do not have better connections than dial up, I know its hard to understand but you must know with all your infinite wisdom that.
But as I said, you are one of those who dont see a problem if it does not affect you, so you sir are nothing but a disgrace to the community in Eve for you only think of your self, I mean wtf is up with this attitude towards dial up users anyways?
Some people are just silly little creatures arent they.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:19:00 -
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Tristan your ignorance amusues me quite a bit, you seem to think that since its not your problem its not a problem at all and nothing but whining, the recent patch has almost killed the game for dial up users and a fix is being or already has been made, not yet launched on TQ though.
That rant you made about people being to cheap to buy better connection shows that you have a very hard time figuring out how things are where you do not live and again your ignorance just hurts my brain when I read your posts in this thread, why you ask, its simple and I will write it down in bold here below.
Some towns do not have better connections than dial up, I know its hard to understand but you must know with all your infinite wisdom that.
But as I said, you are one of those who dont see a problem if it does not affect you, so you sir are nothing but a disgrace to the community in Eve for you only think of your self, I mean wtf is up with this attitude towards dial up users anyways?
Some people are just silly little creatures arent they.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:27:00 -
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Yes Eve lags for everyone.
Yes there is a problem where agression causes lag to happen.
Yes this impacts low-bw users (eg 56K dial-up) the most.
There's no reason to look down on people that are unable to get DSL-type connections. A very real part of the lag experienced by 56k dial up users is this agression bug.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:27:00 -
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Yes Eve lags for everyone.
Yes there is a problem where agression causes lag to happen.
Yes this impacts low-bw users (eg 56K dial-up) the most.
There's no reason to look down on people that are unable to get DSL-type connections. A very real part of the lag experienced by 56k dial up users is this agression bug.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: LLeBRing on 15/08/2004 17:49:00
Would be nice if we could get some sort of reply on when the patch will be out so that those with lower connection speeds might see some benefits 
its a shame we all can't be as uber as Tristan. He is so cool. Wish I could be as rich as him. Maybe one day, when I get this uber ISP connection, I can be as insulting, demeaning, and completely ignorant to others just like him!! Oh I can't wait!
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: LLeBRing on 15/08/2004 17:49:00
Would be nice if we could get some sort of reply on when the patch will be out so that those with lower connection speeds might see some benefits
its a shame we all can't be as uber as Tristan. He is so cool. Wish I could be as rich as him. Maybe one day, when I get this uber ISP connection, I can be as insulting, demeaning, and completely ignorant to others just like him!! Oh I can't wait!
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Omniwar
Some towns do not have better connections than dial up, I know its hard to understand but you must know with all your infinite wisdom that.
Some people are just silly little creatures arent they.
No omniwar you miss read me, im not being ignorant. It must suck to be in such an area. several of my RL friends are in such an area. One has started a wireless group and between him and a few people in his street they have got a little broadband group going while BT pulls its head out of the sand.
I personally live less than a mile outside my town center, yet cant pickup Freeview digital TV because of a stupid big hill in the way.
It sucks, however using a screwdriver to do the job of a hammer and then complaining it wont work IS ignorant. Complain to the right people, its not my fault you live where you do, its not CCP's fault, its not anyone else who happens to have a beter connection.
ITS YOUR LOCAL EXCHANGE / BRITISH TELECOMS FAULT.
Please, complain to them every day until they stop holding back this countrys telecomunications network with their short sighted monopolistic behaviour.
You dont hear me complaining about how those people in Sweden have got 100mbit connections and how its just not fair i cant upload at the same speeds those guys do.
As i said earlier, and as Orestes said, the game currently lags for everyone. However what Orestes didnt say is, even when it is fixed it will STILL lag for 56k users. Why? because its 56k!!!! its not ignorant, its just how it is. Complain to your local MP, Complain to BT, NTL, Telewest and whoever else is supposed to cover your local areas land lines and cable. But quit whining at the rest of us because that wont get you anywhere.
its not ignorant, its not looking down on "the little people", its called common sense.
Can i come here complaining to you about how the pair of ú65 Trousers i bought 2 week ago have been worn twice and the zips chewed up and got stuck? NO, you would wonder why the hell i was telling you.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Omniwar
Some towns do not have better connections than dial up, I know its hard to understand but you must know with all your infinite wisdom that.
Some people are just silly little creatures arent they.
No omniwar you miss read me, im not being ignorant. It must suck to be in such an area. several of my RL friends are in such an area. One has started a wireless group and between him and a few people in his street they have got a little broadband group going while BT pulls its head out of the sand.
I personally live less than a mile outside my town center, yet cant pickup Freeview digital TV because of a stupid big hill in the way.
It sucks, however using a screwdriver to do the job of a hammer and then complaining it wont work IS ignorant. Complain to the right people, its not my fault you live where you do, its not CCP's fault, its not anyone else who happens to have a beter connection.
ITS YOUR LOCAL EXCHANGE / BRITISH TELECOMS FAULT.
Please, complain to them every day until they stop holding back this countrys telecomunications network with their short sighted monopolistic behaviour.
You dont hear me complaining about how those people in Sweden have got 100mbit connections and how its just not fair i cant upload at the same speeds those guys do.
As i said earlier, and as Orestes said, the game currently lags for everyone. However what Orestes didnt say is, even when it is fixed it will STILL lag for 56k users. Why? because its 56k!!!! its not ignorant, its just how it is. Complain to your local MP, Complain to BT, NTL, Telewest and whoever else is supposed to cover your local areas land lines and cable. But quit whining at the rest of us because that wont get you anywhere.
its not ignorant, its not looking down on "the little people", its called common sense.
Can i come here complaining to you about how the pair of ú65 Trousers i bought 2 week ago have been worn twice and the zips chewed up and got stuck? NO, you would wonder why the hell i was telling you.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: LLeBRing on 15/08/2004 17:51:57
Tristan you are simply responding with a bunch of garbage that has nothing to do with what Darkcraft was asking.
He wasn't complaining, he wasn't whining, he didn't say he lost 29231291213 bs's because lag is unbearable.
He is asking when will that latest patch on Chaos be ported to TQ so that those with lower dial-up speeds can see some benefits to game play.
Incidently even your uber connection speed will see benefits as well.
You seem to be a very angry individual. Probably want to take your frustrations somewhere else
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: LLeBRing on 15/08/2004 17:51:57
Tristan you are simply responding with a bunch of garbage that has nothing to do with what Darkcraft was asking.
He wasn't complaining, he wasn't whining, he didn't say he lost 29231291213 bs's because lag is unbearable.
He is asking when will that latest patch on Chaos be ported to TQ so that those with lower dial-up speeds can see some benefits to game play.
Incidently even your uber connection speed will see benefits as well.
You seem to be a very angry individual. Probably want to take your frustrations somewhere else
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 15/08/2004 18:05:03
Im not an angry individual, maybe take your little insults elsewhere? 
If you can, look into getting on a 256kbs line, ISDN usually proves to be more expensive. However several cable companies offer "midband" at the same price some companies offer dialup, sometimes even cheaper.
A friend of mine lives about 0.2 miles too far away from his local exchange to get broadband. so what he did is get a few neighbours together and they set up a wireless group and bridged a connection over to someone who was in the broadband area.
Another couldnt get DSL because theres no cable on his street and again hes too far from the exchange, but BT did install him ISDN at a reasonable price (compared to normal ISDN) because he complained a lot at them for messing him about making promises of DSL they couldnt keep.
Do something about it, but dont expect everyone else to fix it for you. complain to your local MP, BT, NTL and Telewest also, if you dont they wont do anything.
*EDIT: something else that might be of interest to you, though no comfort just now im afraid is this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3561808.stm
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 15/08/2004 18:05:03
Im not an angry individual, maybe take your little insults elsewhere?
If you can, look into getting on a 256kbs line, ISDN usually proves to be more expensive. However several cable companies offer "midband" at the same price some companies offer dialup, sometimes even cheaper.
A friend of mine lives about 0.2 miles too far away from his local exchange to get broadband. so what he did is get a few neighbours together and they set up a wireless group and bridged a connection over to someone who was in the broadband area.
Another couldnt get DSL because theres no cable on his street and again hes too far from the exchange, but BT did install him ISDN at a reasonable price (compared to normal ISDN) because he complained a lot at them for messing him about making promises of DSL they couldnt keep.
Do something about it, but dont expect everyone else to fix it for you. complain to your local MP, BT, NTL and Telewest also, if you dont they wont do anything.
*EDIT: something else that might be of interest to you, though no comfort just now im afraid is this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3561808.stm
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 18:25:00 -
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Yup, I cant wait to see this patch, i hope it puts it back to the same way as it was before the criminal flag patch.
Well Done CCP I was really happy to see a fix for this.
@ Tris, people like me on dial up dont expect to have a totally lag free game, but we do expect to play the game we pay for, the system was broken with bad coding and has been fixed..I really dont see what your point, but i just take it you dont have one!
And as for people being on dial up being cheap??  I probably spend twice if not more on my connection than you do on your high speed one.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 18:25:00 -
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Yup, I cant wait to see this patch, i hope it puts it back to the same way as it was before the criminal flag patch.
Well Done CCP I was really happy to see a fix for this.
@ Tris, people like me on dial up dont expect to have a totally lag free game, but we do expect to play the game we pay for, the system was broken with bad coding and has been fixed..I really dont see what your point, but i just take it you dont have one!
And as for people being on dial up being cheap?? I probably spend twice if not more on my connection than you do on your high speed one.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.08.15 18:32:00 -
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85% of the UK can get ADSL, that means 25% cant, think of the people in the countryside that arnt lucky enought to have DSLAM's at their local exchange?
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.08.15 18:32:00 -
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85% of the UK can get ADSL, that means 25% cant, think of the people in the countryside that arnt lucky enought to have DSLAM's at their local exchange?
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2004.08.15 19:32:00 -
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I know your pain Darkcraft, I've been avoiding PvP altogether whilst I've been home on my dial-up which connects at 46k (crappy lines between here & mainland britian). Can't wait to get away to Glasgow & bb again.
Tristan - EVE is designed to be playable on a 56k modem. It was one of the selling points of the game and so if it doesn't work properly then there is a problem which has to be dealt with. And upgrading isn't always an option either. Where I live ISDN isn't even an option yet at my exchange and where it is it costs a lot more than broadband (go figure!).
Can we have a response from CCP on this please?
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2004.08.15 19:32:00 -
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I know your pain Darkcraft, I've been avoiding PvP altogether whilst I've been home on my dial-up which connects at 46k (crappy lines between here & mainland britian). Can't wait to get away to Glasgow & bb again.
Tristan - EVE is designed to be playable on a 56k modem. It was one of the selling points of the game and so if it doesn't work properly then there is a problem which has to be dealt with. And upgrading isn't always an option either. Where I live ISDN isn't even an option yet at my exchange and where it is it costs a lot more than broadband (go figure!).
Can we have a response from CCP on this please?
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everaider
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Posted - 2004.08.15 19:48:00 -
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wheni first started playing i was on 28k through earthlink. All dialup providers in town used teh same colocation servers so no matter which i wet to, I ended up at 28k-24k dialup speeds. I paid $24 USD /month for the first 5-6 months of the game and understand your pain. When cable finally moved to town I was to be charged $9k to runt he line and install it....well screw that. Finally wireless showed up about 5 months ago and here I am. I pay 4 times more and would be willing to pay 2 times more then I am now for even cable if it was only possible.
I dont think its a matter of what he can or cannot due just rather how the game worked before the patch and after. Now even with wireless it still has some problems during combat so i could only imagine what it would be like for 56kers. Good luck rona
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everaider
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Posted - 2004.08.15 19:48:00 -
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wheni first started playing i was on 28k through earthlink. All dialup providers in town used teh same colocation servers so no matter which i wet to, I ended up at 28k-24k dialup speeds. I paid $24 USD /month for the first 5-6 months of the game and understand your pain. When cable finally moved to town I was to be charged $9k to runt he line and install it....well screw that. Finally wireless showed up about 5 months ago and here I am. I pay 4 times more and would be willing to pay 2 times more then I am now for even cable if it was only possible.
I dont think its a matter of what he can or cannot due just rather how the game worked before the patch and after. Now even with wireless it still has some problems during combat so i could only imagine what it would be like for 56kers. Good luck rona
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan
Edited by: Tristan on 15/08/2004 18:05:03
Im not an angry individual, maybe take your little insults elsewhere?
If you can, look into getting on a 256kbs line, ISDN usually proves to be more expensive. However several cable companies offer "midband" at the same price some companies offer dialup, sometimes even cheaper.
A friend of mine lives about 0.2 miles too far away from his local exchange to get broadband. so what he did is get a few neighbours together and they set up a wireless group and bridged a connection over to someone who was in the broadband area.
Another couldnt get DSL because theres no cable on his street and again hes too far from the exchange, but BT did install him ISDN at a reasonable price (compared to normal ISDN) because he complained a lot at them for messing him about making promises of DSL they couldnt keep.
Do something about it, but dont expect everyone else to fix it for you. complain to your local MP, BT, NTL and Telewest also, if you dont they wont do anything.
*EDIT: something else that might be of interest to you, though no comfort just now im afraid is this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3561808.stm
Tristan, really, how many times do people have to explain it to you before you get the point. Eve currently has a technical issue that is making dialup and ISDN and ADSL rubbish for combat. Once upon a time it was quite playable with dialup ... now when you initiate aggression there is a whacking great lag delay before anything starts happening. Thats the issue, and thats the thing the thread starter wanted addressing with an emergency patch. Now maybe you haven't been doing much combat lately but the current situation is ridiculous, its turned real-time combat into a play by mail game.
For example, on friday I attacked a Blackbird cruiser with my Taranis. Locked the target, set orbit 500meters. Clicked guns, nosferatu, mwd, web, scramblers etc. Nothing happened for about 30 secs. When eve finally caught up the Blackbird was almost dead (I launched drones and killed it) and my Taranis was in armour.
Now good result maybe, but I didn't get to see it! The whole combat was decided before the lag resolved and thats ridiculous.
I am currently using ISDN because BT can't supply ADSL to my rural location, but the ISDN I have now is worse than the dial up I used to use because of this Eve technical glitch.
So please, catch a clue and read what people are actually saying.
Its not about our telecom provision decisions ... its a game programming flaw that has been introduced by recent patches.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan
Edited by: Tristan on 15/08/2004 18:05:03
Im not an angry individual, maybe take your little insults elsewhere?
If you can, look into getting on a 256kbs line, ISDN usually proves to be more expensive. However several cable companies offer "midband" at the same price some companies offer dialup, sometimes even cheaper.
A friend of mine lives about 0.2 miles too far away from his local exchange to get broadband. so what he did is get a few neighbours together and they set up a wireless group and bridged a connection over to someone who was in the broadband area.
Another couldnt get DSL because theres no cable on his street and again hes too far from the exchange, but BT did install him ISDN at a reasonable price (compared to normal ISDN) because he complained a lot at them for messing him about making promises of DSL they couldnt keep.
Do something about it, but dont expect everyone else to fix it for you. complain to your local MP, BT, NTL and Telewest also, if you dont they wont do anything.
*EDIT: something else that might be of interest to you, though no comfort just now im afraid is this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3561808.stm
Tristan, really, how many times do people have to explain it to you before you get the point. Eve currently has a technical issue that is making dialup and ISDN and ADSL rubbish for combat. Once upon a time it was quite playable with dialup ... now when you initiate aggression there is a whacking great lag delay before anything starts happening. Thats the issue, and thats the thing the thread starter wanted addressing with an emergency patch. Now maybe you haven't been doing much combat lately but the current situation is ridiculous, its turned real-time combat into a play by mail game.
For example, on friday I attacked a Blackbird cruiser with my Taranis. Locked the target, set orbit 500meters. Clicked guns, nosferatu, mwd, web, scramblers etc. Nothing happened for about 30 secs. When eve finally caught up the Blackbird was almost dead (I launched drones and killed it) and my Taranis was in armour.
Now good result maybe, but I didn't get to see it! The whole combat was decided before the lag resolved and thats ridiculous.
I am currently using ISDN because BT can't supply ADSL to my rural location, but the ISDN I have now is worse than the dial up I used to use because of this Eve technical glitch.
So please, catch a clue and read what people are actually saying.
Its not about our telecom provision decisions ... its a game programming flaw that has been introduced by recent patches.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:47:00 -
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Why doesn't this issue affect everyone though?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:47:00 -
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Why doesn't this issue affect everyone though?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:52:00 -
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It does affect everyone, Joshua, but because dial-up users have lower bandwidth available to them, the information sent when agression is initiated can be too much.
I have ADSL and notice an increase in lag when agression is initiated as well. I can only imagine what it's like for people with lower bandwidths.
Also, stop flaming eachother, no need for that.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:52:00 -
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It does affect everyone, Joshua, but because dial-up users have lower bandwidth available to them, the information sent when agression is initiated can be too much.
I have ADSL and notice an increase in lag when agression is initiated as well. I can only imagine what it's like for people with lower bandwidths.
Also, stop flaming eachother, no need for that.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:55:00 -
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I haven't noticed any change in lag when locking and activating modules against someone or does this kind of thing not happen in 0.0 space?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:55:00 -
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I haven't noticed any change in lag when locking and activating modules against someone or does this kind of thing not happen in 0.0 space?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 22:12:00 -
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Tbh, i dont want ccp to rush it in, the patch will come when it comes and for that im glad....for now im an uber npc hunter
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I haven't noticed any change in lag when locking and activating modules against someone or does this kind of thing not happen in 0.0 space?
Yep it happens in 0.0 too, but the better connection you have, the less likely you are to notice it.
Some friends who have good banwidth dont notice a thing, unless fighting many people at the same time. Players with adsl but not very good adsl notice it slightly but its more of a stutter...but the people on dial up and isdn get prolonged lag. This lag can sometimes last for over a minute....thats a minute without being able to activate a module at all.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 22:12:00 -
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Tbh, i dont want ccp to rush it in, the patch will come when it comes and for that im glad....for now im an uber npc hunter
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I haven't noticed any change in lag when locking and activating modules against someone or does this kind of thing not happen in 0.0 space?
Yep it happens in 0.0 too, but the better connection you have, the less likely you are to notice it.
Some friends who have good banwidth dont notice a thing, unless fighting many people at the same time. Players with adsl but not very good adsl notice it slightly but its more of a stutter...but the people on dial up and isdn get prolonged lag. This lag can sometimes last for over a minute....thats a minute without being able to activate a module at all.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 15/08/2004 22:15:50
Originally by: Jade Constantine
its turned real-time combat into a play by mail game.
Thats a good one
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.15 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 15/08/2004 22:15:50
Originally by: Jade Constantine
its turned real-time combat into a play by mail game.
Thats a good one
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Kayar
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Posted - 2004.08.16 00:00:00 -
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hrmm.. i seem to remember hearing of a kind of limit to the up/down streams in eve that prevented dslers from having too much of an advantage over 56kers lag-wise. presumably this flagging issue imposes a 2nd limit that a dsler with up/down to spare doesnt get hit by, but the 56kers that dont have the spare bandwidth get smacked down badly.
meanwhile it seems tristan has been blinded by his own holy light and has taken the opportunity to flame 56kers for either being in a place unfortunate enough to not have a dsl-enabled exchange, or being unable to afford the costs to upgrade. attempts by other forums members to clear this selfimposed lack of vision from his eyes appear to have been met by shear blind ignorance.
kinda reminds me of 'dont argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to there level and beat you with experience'
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Kayar
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Posted - 2004.08.16 00:00:00 -
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hrmm.. i seem to remember hearing of a kind of limit to the up/down streams in eve that prevented dslers from having too much of an advantage over 56kers lag-wise. presumably this flagging issue imposes a 2nd limit that a dsler with up/down to spare doesnt get hit by, but the 56kers that dont have the spare bandwidth get smacked down badly.
meanwhile it seems tristan has been blinded by his own holy light and has taken the opportunity to flame 56kers for either being in a place unfortunate enough to not have a dsl-enabled exchange, or being unable to afford the costs to upgrade. attempts by other forums members to clear this selfimposed lack of vision from his eyes appear to have been met by shear blind ignorance.
kinda reminds me of 'dont argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to there level and beat you with experience'
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.08.16 00:08:00 -
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256k ISDN?
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.08.16 00:08:00 -
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256k ISDN?
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Fal Aren
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Posted - 2004.08.16 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
256k ISDN?
...costs more than Broadband, at the minute. For some absurd, nonsensical technical reason that BT give.
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Fal Aren
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Posted - 2004.08.16 00:21:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Tar om
256k ISDN?
...costs more than Broadband, at the minute. For some absurd, nonsensical technical reason that BT give.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.16 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 16/08/2004 00:34:57
yes 256k is ISDN or "midband"
However if you live in a cabled area some cable companies offer 256k line speeds, i think NTL's is slightly faster at around 350kbs or so. They tend to be around ú3 more a month than your average 56k subscription to say.. AOL or Wanadoo. so if thats an option for you its well worth looking into.
BT's ISDN is as the poster said above more expensive than cable for some unfathomable reason, is unreliable (disconnects often etc) and has time limits on how long you can stay connected at full speed.
If you live close to an area that IS cabled up, it is worth looking into setting up a local Wireless broadband group with some neighbours. many people have done it before, whole villages in some parts of the UK get access to broadband this way, BT has even helped some of them get set up when BT's attitudes thawed a bit.
Check out http://www.consume.net for some info on doing it without the ebil empire being involved. There are also grants available i believe from the government or EU in setting up such projects, as i said in some places whole towns have got themselves "enabled" this way. Obviously if you are connected this way, if mr Smith down the road is downloading all night it will affect your bandwidth. But still.. beats being on 56k line with no hope of getting off it.
obviously these options arent available to everyone, i realise that before saying it, even though im ignorant and ebil and all that. 
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.08.16 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 16/08/2004 00:34:57
yes 256k is ISDN or "midband"
However if you live in a cabled area some cable companies offer 256k line speeds, i think NTL's is slightly faster at around 350kbs or so. They tend to be around ú3 more a month than your average 56k subscription to say.. AOL or Wanadoo. so if thats an option for you its well worth looking into.
BT's ISDN is as the poster said above more expensive than cable for some unfathomable reason, is unreliable (disconnects often etc) and has time limits on how long you can stay connected at full speed.
If you live close to an area that IS cabled up, it is worth looking into setting up a local Wireless broadband group with some neighbours. many people have done it before, whole villages in some parts of the UK get access to broadband this way, BT has even helped some of them get set up when BT's attitudes thawed a bit.
Check out http://www.consume.net for some info on doing it without the ebil empire being involved. There are also grants available i believe from the government or EU in setting up such projects, as i said in some places whole towns have got themselves "enabled" this way. Obviously if you are connected this way, if mr Smith down the road is downloading all night it will affect your bandwidth. But still.. beats being on 56k line with no hope of getting off it.
obviously these options arent available to everyone, i realise that before saying it, even though im ignorant and ebil and all that.
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Darkcraft
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Posted - 2004.08.16 18:59:00 -
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Would be nice to hear back about when this patch gets to TQ, i can only hope its not going to be weeks.
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Darkcraft
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Posted - 2004.08.16 18:59:00 -
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Would be nice to hear back about when this patch gets to TQ, i can only hope its not going to be weeks.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.16 19:45:00 -
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This is not a flame thread, keep it nice, people..
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.16 19:45:00 -
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This is not a flame thread, keep it nice, people..
Join the IC! |
Fenix UA
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Posted - 2004.08.17 22:30:00 -
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Please apply a patch fixing delay with activation on TQ. Tested on the Chaos server, it is fine.
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Fenix UA
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Posted - 2004.08.17 22:30:00 -
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Please apply a patch fixing delay with activation on TQ. Tested on the Chaos server, it is fine.
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.08.17 23:45:00 -
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Darkcraft - I feel for you bud.. Lag is the achilles heel of this game.
But since when has Ccp ever bothered about Lag issues? Numerous posts on the subject - Little to no response and very little action.
Imho just because some one is telling you they are doing their best - doesnt actually mean that something is being done to redress the problem.
Hope the patch comes out sooner rather than later(TM) for you bud.
Regards Al Thorr
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.08.17 23:45:00 -
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Darkcraft - I feel for you bud.. Lag is the achilles heel of this game.
But since when has Ccp ever bothered about Lag issues? Numerous posts on the subject - Little to no response and very little action.
Imho just because some one is telling you they are doing their best - doesnt actually mean that something is being done to redress the problem.
Hope the patch comes out sooner rather than later(TM) for you bud.
Regards Al Thorr
I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape |
Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.08.18 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Broc Vallion on 18/08/2004 00:41:55
Some people mistake computer speed/performance lag for connection speed lag..
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.08.18 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Broc Vallion on 18/08/2004 00:41:55
Some people mistake computer speed/performance lag for connection speed lag..
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tar om on 19/08/2004 20:43:57
http://www.bt.com/btmidband/hm_presale.jsp
Looks like 128k to me... thought I was going insane then!
(I provide broadband to about 30 customers in my area via wireless, I though I had been lying to them when they had been asking me about midband!)
* htf do you do links off these forums?
Edit: You might be better off looking at 128k surtime from Demon. Its ú60 a month plus ú20 for the surftime ontop (to BT), but is flat rate unlike midband which offers only 70hours per month at 128k before you start getting charged. It depends on your usage and your pocket!
http://www.chater.demon.co.uk/surftime128.htm
http://www.demon.net/products/access/businessisdn/
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tar om on 19/08/2004 20:43:57
http://www.bt.com/btmidband/hm_presale.jsp
Looks like 128k to me... thought I was going insane then!
(I provide broadband to about 30 customers in my area via wireless, I though I had been lying to them when they had been asking me about midband!)
* htf do you do links off these forums?
Edit: You might be better off looking at 128k surtime from Demon. Its ú60 a month plus ú20 for the surftime ontop (to BT), but is flat rate unlike midband which offers only 70hours per month at 128k before you start getting charged. It depends on your usage and your pocket!
http://www.chater.demon.co.uk/surftime128.htm
http://www.demon.net/products/access/businessisdn/
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan
Let me get this right, you want a patch.. to increase your line speed?
are you one of those people that downloads software promising to increase you connection speed?
Get on ISDN or equivilent cable service, it only costs about ú3 more a month than your AOL dialup.
The old "waaa i have no money" excuse is just that.. an excuse. Being on dialup actually costs you more money in terms of time it takes you to do the simplest of things like read a few web pages, check your email.
paying some more money to get off dialup is well worth the lack of stress and means you can actually get stuff done when you use the PC.
Dialup internet was never intended to play games over, it was for plain text web pages. The fact you can play games on it at all is down to some canny programmers over the years.
hey your an ******* noobie ignorant boy, DSL is not a valid option everywhere, and my T-Online modem connection had no problem with eve for month, till criminal flagging, only your DSL connection seems to be a ******* AOL things with incrdible ping and lag dont mean you can play the big boy here
and you know what, i know i pay ******* 50 Ç for my dial up connection each month, and EVE-Online was a pleasure to play with it for a long long time
STFU and go home
/emote think ill get a bann0r for this ^^
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tristan
Let me get this right, you want a patch.. to increase your line speed?
are you one of those people that downloads software promising to increase you connection speed?
Get on ISDN or equivilent cable service, it only costs about ú3 more a month than your AOL dialup.
The old "waaa i have no money" excuse is just that.. an excuse. Being on dialup actually costs you more money in terms of time it takes you to do the simplest of things like read a few web pages, check your email.
paying some more money to get off dialup is well worth the lack of stress and means you can actually get stuff done when you use the PC.
Dialup internet was never intended to play games over, it was for plain text web pages. The fact you can play games on it at all is down to some canny programmers over the years.
hey your an ******* noobie ignorant boy, DSL is not a valid option everywhere, and my T-Online modem connection had no problem with eve for month, till criminal flagging, only your DSL connection seems to be a ******* AOL things with incrdible ping and lag dont mean you can play the big boy here
and you know what, i know i pay ******* 50 Ç for my dial up connection each month, and EVE-Online was a pleasure to play with it for a long long time
STFU and go home
/emote think ill get a bann0r for this ^^
Wanna fly with me?
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:29:00 -
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If you're in the UK your last good excuse for not having broadband disappears in 2 weeks when virtually 100% of the country will have access to 512kbps ADSL.
BT scraps the 'must be within 6km of your local exchange to get ADSL' rule
"From 6 September, anyone living more than 6km from an ADSL (Asynchronous Digital Subscriber Line) exchange will be able to get a 512Kbps connection."
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:29:00 -
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If you're in the UK your last good excuse for not having broadband disappears in 2 weeks when virtually 100% of the country will have access to 512kbps ADSL.
BT scraps the 'must be within 6km of your local exchange to get ADSL' rule
"From 6 September, anyone living more than 6km from an ADSL (Asynchronous Digital Subscriber Line) exchange will be able to get a 512Kbps connection."
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:34:00 -
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for me the house im lifing in has a own routing system for the telefons lines, so i cant use DSL 
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:34:00 -
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for me the house im lifing in has a own routing system for the telefons lines, so i cant use DSL
Wanna fly with me?
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Hido
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Reptar
85% of the UK can get ADSL, that means 25% cant, think of the people in the countryside that arnt lucky enought to have DSLAM's at their local exchange?
Don't you mean 15% cannot? Remember a calculator is your friend. 
Living the life
Havin it large
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Hido
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:16:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Reptar
85% of the UK can get ADSL, that means 25% cant, think of the people in the countryside that arnt lucky enought to have DSLAM's at their local exchange?
Don't you mean 15% cannot? Remember a calculator is your friend.
Living the life
Havin it large
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.08.20 02:49:00 -
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It's not uncommon for a patch to screw something up that ends up causing tremendous lag in certain places.
Just 6 months ago a patch came out that made EVE completely freeze up on me for 30 seconds when accessing people/places. And i'm using a cable modem. This was an extreamly annoying situation because it made the game freeze up all the time when I did things like set a waypoint from people/places. Adding and removing bookmarks also caused the 30second lockup.
The following patch like a month later fixed the issue and now people/places opens up instantly again.
Dunno though. Best bet would be to wait a month or two.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.08.20 02:49:00 -
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It's not uncommon for a patch to screw something up that ends up causing tremendous lag in certain places.
Just 6 months ago a patch came out that made EVE completely freeze up on me for 30 seconds when accessing people/places. And i'm using a cable modem. This was an extreamly annoying situation because it made the game freeze up all the time when I did things like set a waypoint from people/places. Adding and removing bookmarks also caused the 30second lockup.
The following patch like a month later fixed the issue and now people/places opens up instantly again.
Dunno though. Best bet would be to wait a month or two.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:00:00 -
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I am soooo looking forward to this patch. Glad it's in the coming patch notes :)
I have a few stories about this, but most are fleet-battle related where I assumed it was more a volume thing than a person one. The one that REALLY got me thinking was a few weeks ago, when I went one on one with another frigate. My experience was much like Jade's, I rolled up on the guy, turned on relevent mid and high slots with F-keys. I then watched for 30 seconds while nothing showed on my screen except my ship sitting still while he orbitted and shot me. Eventually I hit the f-keys again, assuming the client had somehow missed their activation, but still nothing. After about 2 minutes total, I just relogged, confident I was dead and podded, and that I was not robbing the guy of his kill by logging early.
I come up in station, sure-nuff podded, and convo the guy to apologize for my lameness, and wish him a GG. I asked him if I did any damage at all, as my logs showed none (the lag was that bad, seriously) and he told me not only had I done lots of damage, he had thought I was going to destroy him until my weapons mysteriously shut off (when I hit the f-keys a second time). I think I was screaming for awhile after that, I forget. It did severely suck.
Aside from learning that SOMETHING was seriously wrong, I also learned to do what Jade is talking about, just let it go and hope for the best until yer client updates. Messing with the activation a second time was, as far as I can tell, what lost me that fight.
In any case, glad this fix is coming soon.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:00:00 -
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I am soooo looking forward to this patch. Glad it's in the coming patch notes :)
I have a few stories about this, but most are fleet-battle related where I assumed it was more a volume thing than a person one. The one that REALLY got me thinking was a few weeks ago, when I went one on one with another frigate. My experience was much like Jade's, I rolled up on the guy, turned on relevent mid and high slots with F-keys. I then watched for 30 seconds while nothing showed on my screen except my ship sitting still while he orbitted and shot me. Eventually I hit the f-keys again, assuming the client had somehow missed their activation, but still nothing. After about 2 minutes total, I just relogged, confident I was dead and podded, and that I was not robbing the guy of his kill by logging early.
I come up in station, sure-nuff podded, and convo the guy to apologize for my lameness, and wish him a GG. I asked him if I did any damage at all, as my logs showed none (the lag was that bad, seriously) and he told me not only had I done lots of damage, he had thought I was going to destroy him until my weapons mysteriously shut off (when I hit the f-keys a second time). I think I was screaming for awhile after that, I forget. It did severely suck.
Aside from learning that SOMETHING was seriously wrong, I also learned to do what Jade is talking about, just let it go and hope for the best until yer client updates. Messing with the activation a second time was, as far as I can tell, what lost me that fight.
In any case, glad this fix is coming soon.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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