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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:27:00 -
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Well as the title says, a lot of the alliances as far as I am aware, are run by a few notable and dedicated players. However with the advent of SHIVA and the new alliances structuring I see a lot of corps and people being very purturbed by the acts of the alliance being run by a 'Single' person.
So out of the alliances there currently are, who will survive the change and who will drop out? Of course this is just out of interest and not in anayweay aimed at flaming any particular corp/alliance in any way...
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:27:00 -
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Well as the title says, a lot of the alliances as far as I am aware, are run by a few notable and dedicated players. However with the advent of SHIVA and the new alliances structuring I see a lot of corps and people being very purturbed by the acts of the alliance being run by a 'Single' person.
So out of the alliances there currently are, who will survive the change and who will drop out? Of course this is just out of interest and not in anayweay aimed at flaming any particular corp/alliance in any way...
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:35:00 -
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I'm not sure of how many alliances will fall, because that will still be a very very hard thing to do...
however with that said
I can see EVERY alliance changing in the game, and more alliances popping up. Alliances shrinking down in size and new more powerful ones taking part of their former areas.
The game will get extremely dynamic very quickly. You will find friends enemies and the uncommon enemy a friend.
Just wait... you'll see 
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:35:00 -
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I'm not sure of how many alliances will fall, because that will still be a very very hard thing to do...
however with that said
I can see EVERY alliance changing in the game, and more alliances popping up. Alliances shrinking down in size and new more powerful ones taking part of their former areas.
The game will get extremely dynamic very quickly. You will find friends enemies and the uncommon enemy a friend.
Just wait... you'll see
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:43:00 -
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I doubt any will fall as most already have a person or corp that speaks for them, and those who dont will probably rotate whos is the alliance leader or just take a vote every so often to decide leadership for a set period, most corps in alliances already give up some sort of leadership to an alliance council so making one corp the head of this council changes little in real terms.
The problem will be when all wars are alliance wars which will make more alt corps and divisions of such and such or just make alliance corps pull totally out of empire.
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:43:00 -
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I doubt any will fall as most already have a person or corp that speaks for them, and those who dont will probably rotate whos is the alliance leader or just take a vote every so often to decide leadership for a set period, most corps in alliances already give up some sort of leadership to an alliance council so making one corp the head of this council changes little in real terms.
The problem will be when all wars are alliance wars which will make more alt corps and divisions of such and such or just make alliance corps pull totally out of empire.
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BEAutiful
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:59:00 -
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I think that Shiva will make Alliances more real with the new structures/units and alliance systems.
it will allow for more official borders etc.
as for who will fall and who will rise i dont know, but i think smaller alliances will be more willing to try their luck. IE in CFS space (not ment as a flame)
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BEAutiful
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Posted - 2004.08.15 20:59:00 -
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I think that Shiva will make Alliances more real with the new structures/units and alliance systems.
it will allow for more official borders etc.
as for who will fall and who will rise i dont know, but i think smaller alliances will be more willing to try their luck. IE in CFS space (not ment as a flame)
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Damajink
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Posted - 2004.08.15 21:05:00 -
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Nothing's stopping alliances from keeping the current way of doing things if they don't like the Shiva changes.
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Damajink
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Posted - 2004.08.15 21:05:00 -
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Nothing's stopping alliances from keeping the current way of doing things if they don't like the Shiva changes.
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Cavtrooper
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Posted - 2004.08.15 21:11:00 -
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I hope with the coming of Shiva that alliances will be able to completely control territory. If this is the case then alliance will have to get larger member bases and smaller territories. As they will have to actively patrol them, you will have ot have 23/7 coverage to protect your assets also. I agree with the above people though that historical enemies may find themselves working closer together, allied alliances may drift apart.
I think it will all boil down to how much territory you can effectively control. For that you need active people.
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Cavtrooper
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Posted - 2004.08.15 21:11:00 -
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I hope with the coming of Shiva that alliances will be able to completely control territory. If this is the case then alliance will have to get larger member bases and smaller territories. As they will have to actively patrol them, you will have ot have 23/7 coverage to protect your assets also. I agree with the above people though that historical enemies may find themselves working closer together, allied alliances may drift apart.
I think it will all boil down to how much territory you can effectively control. For that you need active people.
cav
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.08.15 21:14:00 -
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SA already runs like a Big Corporation.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.08.15 21:14:00 -
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SA already runs like a Big Corporation.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Skarsnik
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Posted - 2004.08.16 18:20:00 -
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I ahve to agree on the statement that Cavtrooper posted above. It will certainly be interesting to see how things pan out over the first 8-12 weeks.
Anyone else any comment on this?
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2004.08.16 18:20:00 -
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I ahve to agree on the statement that Cavtrooper posted above. It will certainly be interesting to see how things pan out over the first 8-12 weeks.
Anyone else any comment on this?
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Kirushi
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Posted - 2004.08.16 19:16:00 -
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not much will change
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Kirushi
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Posted - 2004.08.16 19:16:00 -
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not much will change
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.08.16 19:16:00 -
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I do not see advantages above the current situation, the upkeep of an alliance is alot of money while the benefits are not any diffrent from the current situation.
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.08.16 19:16:00 -
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I do not see advantages above the current situation, the upkeep of an alliance is alot of money while the benefits are not any diffrent from the current situation.
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2004.08.16 20:07:00 -
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You will see some large alliances downsize into corps who are like minded in nature. The PVPers will be more concentrated as well as the miners. More alt corps will pop up to avoid Empire Alliance wars.
I am hoping we can place sentry guns at gates and have them fire on hostile corps/alliances.
Alliances who can not defend their "Claimed" space will die off as more corporations move in and place their stations with defenses.
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2004.08.16 20:07:00 -
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You will see some large alliances downsize into corps who are like minded in nature. The PVPers will be more concentrated as well as the miners. More alt corps will pop up to avoid Empire Alliance wars.
I am hoping we can place sentry guns at gates and have them fire on hostile corps/alliances.
Alliances who can not defend their "Claimed" space will die off as more corporations move in and place their stations with defenses.
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Mydrial Jacor
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Posted - 2004.08.16 20:14:00 -
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For many allainces POS will be more of a luxury becuase at the core of their territory they still have stations that cannot be destroyed or captured, the NPC ones. To really make control of territory matter these stations would need to be effectivly shutdown.
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Mydrial Jacor
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Posted - 2004.08.16 20:14:00 -
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For many allainces POS will be more of a luxury becuase at the core of their territory they still have stations that cannot be destroyed or captured, the NPC ones. To really make control of territory matter these stations would need to be effectivly shutdown.
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Lise Cantara
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Posted - 2004.08.16 21:13:00 -
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I have to agree with some posts in here that certain alliances WILL downsize. The normal Stations will not be of any consequence, what will be the downfall of a lot will be the agruement of who runs the alliance week in week out.
For instance, Corp A has 30 members, Corp B 60 and Corp C 30
All of Corp B vote for Corp B's nominee, Corp A and Corp C vote for thier respected nominees, agruements ensue that they will never have reresentation in leadership, and leave alliance leaving Corp B alone.
It may have and could well have lasting repercussions and we may find 0.0 space opening up more for the smaller corps to settle into a little corner and become quiet powerful on the quiet.
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Lise Cantara
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Posted - 2004.08.16 21:13:00 -
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I have to agree with some posts in here that certain alliances WILL downsize. The normal Stations will not be of any consequence, what will be the downfall of a lot will be the agruement of who runs the alliance week in week out.
For instance, Corp A has 30 members, Corp B 60 and Corp C 30
All of Corp B vote for Corp B's nominee, Corp A and Corp C vote for thier respected nominees, agruements ensue that they will never have reresentation in leadership, and leave alliance leaving Corp B alone.
It may have and could well have lasting repercussions and we may find 0.0 space opening up more for the smaller corps to settle into a little corner and become quiet powerful on the quiet.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.08.16 22:37:00 -
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Nothing much will change. Altho how much really depends on how easy pos will be found and destoryed/incapacitated.
After all, strategically the curretn alliances have sounds positions and space, meaning the least possible entry points.
If any alliance would want to completely shut off its space it would need many more active pilots tho, and 23/7 gatecamps utilising most efficient camping techniques.
This will be hard, if not impossible, so I foresee anarchy.
This suits me fine.
In the end, with pos being cheap, nothing much will change. POS will be killed like ships, alot of isk will be destroyed, but in the end the earning potential balances that and all we have is some enw eyecandy that you can shoot at as well.
Before ccp implements a way for non-static combat (i.e. whenever we get to make safespots meaningless), all that remains is gankage and blobbing, with the occasional fun exception. Wether this takes place at a pos or at a stargate is a meaningless difference.
The main thing in shiva is not pos, but the rest of castor tech2 and the new ships. Only if pos are extremely hard to find and safespots are banished from the lands will fighting be meaningful and alliances end.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.08.16 22:37:00 -
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Nothing much will change. Altho how much really depends on how easy pos will be found and destoryed/incapacitated.
After all, strategically the curretn alliances have sounds positions and space, meaning the least possible entry points.
If any alliance would want to completely shut off its space it would need many more active pilots tho, and 23/7 gatecamps utilising most efficient camping techniques.
This will be hard, if not impossible, so I foresee anarchy.
This suits me fine.
In the end, with pos being cheap, nothing much will change. POS will be killed like ships, alot of isk will be destroyed, but in the end the earning potential balances that and all we have is some enw eyecandy that you can shoot at as well.
Before ccp implements a way for non-static combat (i.e. whenever we get to make safespots meaningless), all that remains is gankage and blobbing, with the occasional fun exception. Wether this takes place at a pos or at a stargate is a meaningless difference.
The main thing in shiva is not pos, but the rest of castor tech2 and the new ships. Only if pos are extremely hard to find and safespots are banished from the lands will fighting be meaningful and alliances end.
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Shamrock
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Posted - 2004.08.16 22:41:00 -
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Whoever evolves, wins.
Shamrock
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Shamrock
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Posted - 2004.08.16 22:41:00 -
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Whoever evolves, wins.
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.16 22:55:00 -
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TPS alliance was designed with Shiva in mind. As such, we have a corporation that acts as the "alliance government" so to speak. That is, The Pirate Syndicate corporation (ticker -TPS-) itself isn't a member of the alliance, but represents the alliance itself. We have a charter and voting member corporations. Alliance officers are elected by our voting members and leave their home corporations to serve on the "alliance" corporation, or as we call it the alliance government.
The -TPS- corporation, once Shiva hits, will become the lead corporation for the alliance. It controls all of our player conquerable stations, and will control the standings for all of our full member corporations. Each of our voting member corporations sends two delegates that serve on a Security Council where all decisions regarding communal funds are made.
Decisions like foreign policy issues or other things that do not involve appropriation of funds are often debated by the Security Council, but final decision is made by the alliance Chairman alone (currently Blockoindi). We have other officers who have specific roles, and each elected officer (elected by the Security Council) takes part in running alliance affairs.
This alliance scheme was designed completely with Shiva in mind - it was our goal to set up a system that would take full advantage of all the new changes that will be coming in with Shiva. Only time will tell if we've succeeded or not  .
Cao
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.16 22:55:00 -
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TPS alliance was designed with Shiva in mind. As such, we have a corporation that acts as the "alliance government" so to speak. That is, The Pirate Syndicate corporation (ticker -TPS-) itself isn't a member of the alliance, but represents the alliance itself. We have a charter and voting member corporations. Alliance officers are elected by our voting members and leave their home corporations to serve on the "alliance" corporation, or as we call it the alliance government.
The -TPS- corporation, once Shiva hits, will become the lead corporation for the alliance. It controls all of our player conquerable stations, and will control the standings for all of our full member corporations. Each of our voting member corporations sends two delegates that serve on a Security Council where all decisions regarding communal funds are made.
Decisions like foreign policy issues or other things that do not involve appropriation of funds are often debated by the Security Council, but final decision is made by the alliance Chairman alone (currently Blockoindi). We have other officers who have specific roles, and each elected officer (elected by the Security Council) takes part in running alliance affairs.
This alliance scheme was designed completely with Shiva in mind - it was our goal to set up a system that would take full advantage of all the new changes that will be coming in with Shiva. Only time will tell if we've succeeded or not .
Cao
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.08.16 22:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
This alliance scheme was designed completely with Shiva in mind - it was our goal to set up a system that would take full advantage of all the new changes that will be coming in with Shiva.
It sounds like ya'll put a lot of thought into it Ca0 Ca0, That's very cool. I'm glad to see people moving forward. (even though alliances are the devil and such..  )
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.08.16 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ca0 Ca0
This alliance scheme was designed completely with Shiva in mind - it was our goal to set up a system that would take full advantage of all the new changes that will be coming in with Shiva.
It sounds like ya'll put a lot of thought into it Ca0 Ca0, That's very cool. I'm glad to see people moving forward. (even though alliances are the devil and such.. )
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.17 06:19:00 -
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Wraeth,
Well thing is I totally agree with the people who are saying that large regional alliances will pretty much collapse or fall apart into component pieces. It will take massive strength to keep an organization spanning a multitude of regions together (I'm thinking primarily of CA, SA, and FA here) as the issue of being subject to wars, giving up control of your corporations, etc. will leave people identifying primarily with those operating directly around them.
Brute force could of course overcome any dissenting opinions . That's why I think CA will ultimately hold onto its possessions.
Cao
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.08.17 06:19:00 -
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Wraeth,
Well thing is I totally agree with the people who are saying that large regional alliances will pretty much collapse or fall apart into component pieces. It will take massive strength to keep an organization spanning a multitude of regions together (I'm thinking primarily of CA, SA, and FA here) as the issue of being subject to wars, giving up control of your corporations, etc. will leave people identifying primarily with those operating directly around them.
Brute force could of course overcome any dissenting opinions . That's why I think CA will ultimately hold onto its possessions.
Cao
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.08.17 06:20:00 -
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Whats an alliance?
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.08.17 06:20:00 -
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Whats an alliance?
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.08.17 06:54:00 -
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Sounds like a sexual act to me..
-Prophecy
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Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.08.17 06:54:00 -
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Sounds like a sexual act to me..
-Prophecy
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Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
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Chris Reed
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Posted - 2004.08.17 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Chris Reed on 17/08/2004 09:31:23
That's just because EVERYTHING that comes out of Alexandra's mouth sounds.... Sexual... 
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Chris Reed
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Posted - 2004.08.17 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Chris Reed on 17/08/2004 09:31:23
That's just because EVERYTHING that comes out of Alexandra's mouth sounds.... Sexual...
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2004.08.17 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: PaulAtreides on 17/08/2004 10:14:00
A very very long time.
Edit: Almost forgot -
CNA!!
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2004.08.17 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: PaulAtreides on 17/08/2004 10:14:00
A very very long time.
Edit: Almost forgot -
CNA!!
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WinterMJ
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Posted - 2004.08.17 10:38:00 -
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I wouldn't over-play Shiva, chances are none of the main alliances will adopt the new 'alliance' system and just CALL themselves (as is done now) part of an alliance instead of CONNECT using the new game mechanics (mainly due to cost - why even bother if you can avoid it etc.).
Massive fleet battles in empire would certainly screw the game if they occured in Yulai ;), but I'd love to see that lol.
As for POS and sentry guns, they'll help, but not to the degree that they'll be effective border guards. In reality I feel that very little will change - we'll see.
Everybody always over-plays the impact of things, but what happens is that people simply adapt and work ways 'around' problems. Like CCP nerfing Hybrids to the point where I've now swapped to lasers and AMARR ships ;).
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WinterMJ
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Posted - 2004.08.17 10:38:00 -
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I wouldn't over-play Shiva, chances are none of the main alliances will adopt the new 'alliance' system and just CALL themselves (as is done now) part of an alliance instead of CONNECT using the new game mechanics (mainly due to cost - why even bother if you can avoid it etc.).
Massive fleet battles in empire would certainly screw the game if they occured in Yulai ;), but I'd love to see that lol.
As for POS and sentry guns, they'll help, but not to the degree that they'll be effective border guards. In reality I feel that very little will change - we'll see.
Everybody always over-plays the impact of things, but what happens is that people simply adapt and work ways 'around' problems. Like CCP nerfing Hybrids to the point where I've now swapped to lasers and AMARR ships ;).
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djubrica
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Posted - 2004.08.17 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: PaulAtreides
Edit: Almost forgot -
CNA!!
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djubrica
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Posted - 2004.08.17 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: PaulAtreides
Edit: Almost forgot -
CNA!!
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Artur Hawkwing
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Posted - 2004.08.17 11:26:00 -
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As promised I will unvail the opening of the GLA (ghey lovers alliance) and may all the turtles get the love they deserve.
I will allow you to show your love for them now though, if you must.
Remember: Be Gentle 
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Artur Hawkwing
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Posted - 2004.08.17 11:26:00 -
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As promised I will unvail the opening of the GLA (ghey lovers alliance) and may all the turtles get the love they deserve.
I will allow you to show your love for them now though, if you must.
Remember: Be Gentle
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The Reporter
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Posted - 2004.08.17 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
SA already runs like a Big Corporation.
And the Public already knows you do..
You let small poor corporations fight and die defending your territories every day.
While you sit back and reap the profits.
Sound Exactly like a corporation to us.
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The Reporter
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Posted - 2004.08.17 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
SA already runs like a Big Corporation.
And the Public already knows you do..
You let small poor corporations fight and die defending your territories every day.
While you sit back and reap the profits.
Sound Exactly like a corporation to us.
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Major Trucker
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Posted - 2004.08.17 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: The Reporter
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
SA already runs like a Big Corporation.
And the Public already knows you do..
You let small poor corporations fight and die defending your territories every day.
While you sit back and reap the profits.
Sound Exactly like a corporation to us.
I thought FA had a monopoly on that strategy.
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Major Trucker
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Posted - 2004.08.17 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: The Reporter
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
SA already runs like a Big Corporation.
And the Public already knows you do..
You let small poor corporations fight and die defending your territories every day.
While you sit back and reap the profits.
Sound Exactly like a corporation to us.
I thought FA had a monopoly on that strategy.
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.08.17 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: WinterMJ
I wouldn't over-play Shiva, chances are none of the main alliances will adopt the new 'alliance' system and just CALL themselves (as is done now) part of an alliance instead of CONNECT using the new game mechanics (mainly due to cost - why even bother if you can avoid it etc.).
Think you're pretty much closest to the truth, though a few of the smaller alliances may go with the mechanics just for convenience issues.
I do think POS's will make defending large areas more difficult, and some alliances may shrink just to establish better defensible chokepoints. There may be more brush wars over localized resources instead of the current dominant 4-5 region spanning, 20+ jump raiding party wars we see now. Also, I think a lot of POS's may be utilized on a corp by corp, or individual by individual basis instead of an alliance wide concerted effort.
There'll be some alliance specific POS's of course, but the whole issue of packing up and leaving an alliance means a whole lot more if you have to abandon your POS's if the split isn't on good terms.
If POS's can be built in fringe empire areas, (0.4 to 0.1) I think we'll see a whole new batch of alliances crop up that are married to Empire space, and maybe even challenging the 0.0 alliances.
The changes won't happen overnight, but I think once the first POS complexes begin construction, 2-3 months will change the political map drastically.
Also, another thing entirely, will be established by then as a side effect of the tech II equipment's method of introduction and that's that certain pieces of ordnance, weapons, ships, modules, etc. will be controlled by a limited number of people who will be either in the same alliance, area of space, or other limiting factor they have in common.
Someone, somewhere in eve is going to be have almost exclusive use of a whole class of equipment, and their wars will begin to reflect this in ways that 'race ship vs race ship' doesn't happen now. Alliances may begin to have 'equipment flavors' because of their tech II (and eventually tech III) equipment access, and some pirates/privateers may raid their space specifically to gain these items from loot drops. Smuggling, out of a corp trying to exclusively control that particular resource, becomes a viable play tactic as slow leaks make the moles and more subtle corp thieves very rich.
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.08.17 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: WinterMJ
I wouldn't over-play Shiva, chances are none of the main alliances will adopt the new 'alliance' system and just CALL themselves (as is done now) part of an alliance instead of CONNECT using the new game mechanics (mainly due to cost - why even bother if you can avoid it etc.).
Think you're pretty much closest to the truth, though a few of the smaller alliances may go with the mechanics just for convenience issues.
I do think POS's will make defending large areas more difficult, and some alliances may shrink just to establish better defensible chokepoints. There may be more brush wars over localized resources instead of the current dominant 4-5 region spanning, 20+ jump raiding party wars we see now. Also, I think a lot of POS's may be utilized on a corp by corp, or individual by individual basis instead of an alliance wide concerted effort.
There'll be some alliance specific POS's of course, but the whole issue of packing up and leaving an alliance means a whole lot more if you have to abandon your POS's if the split isn't on good terms.
If POS's can be built in fringe empire areas, (0.4 to 0.1) I think we'll see a whole new batch of alliances crop up that are married to Empire space, and maybe even challenging the 0.0 alliances.
The changes won't happen overnight, but I think once the first POS complexes begin construction, 2-3 months will change the political map drastically.
Also, another thing entirely, will be established by then as a side effect of the tech II equipment's method of introduction and that's that certain pieces of ordnance, weapons, ships, modules, etc. will be controlled by a limited number of people who will be either in the same alliance, area of space, or other limiting factor they have in common.
Someone, somewhere in eve is going to be have almost exclusive use of a whole class of equipment, and their wars will begin to reflect this in ways that 'race ship vs race ship' doesn't happen now. Alliances may begin to have 'equipment flavors' because of their tech II (and eventually tech III) equipment access, and some pirates/privateers may raid their space specifically to gain these items from loot drops. Smuggling, out of a corp trying to exclusively control that particular resource, becomes a viable play tactic as slow leaks make the moles and more subtle corp thieves very rich.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.17 18:21:00 -
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it will be lovly to see how many POS alliances can control and hold
looking forward to **** them
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.17 18:21:00 -
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it will be lovly to see how many POS alliances can control and hold
looking forward to **** them
Wanna fly with me?
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.08.17 18:31:00 -
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I want tech 3 mining vessels. to curb these bloody mineral shortages 
-Prophecy
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg
Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.08.17 18:31:00 -
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I want tech 3 mining vessels. to curb these bloody mineral shortages
-Prophecy
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg
Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Lise Cantara
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:59:00 -
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I'm gonna give this thread a severe bump.. I see that this sort of discussion really does reflect the current agurements going on within the CA over the miner taxing.. and the Alliance SHIVA stuff aint even in yet.
Can one person ever rule the roost :) Major alliances are going to fall imo once SHIVA hits..
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Lise Cantara
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Posted - 2004.08.23 12:59:00 -
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I'm gonna give this thread a severe bump.. I see that this sort of discussion really does reflect the current agurements going on within the CA over the miner taxing.. and the Alliance SHIVA stuff aint even in yet.
Can one person ever rule the roost :) Major alliances are going to fall imo once SHIVA hits..
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