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Vincent Athen Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:23:00 - [1] From the patch notes: Quote: * Changes have been made to the collision mechanics in the physics simulation. Massive objects will be less affected when bumped by smaller objects. The changes they made to the collision mechanics seem to have worked as stated in the patch notes. Smaller ships now bump larger ones less. However, there seems to have been an unintended side effect of this change: capitals bump each other massive distances at high velocities. When does this occur? Fleet warping from one location to another. Jumping to a cynosural field. Undocking. As far as I can tell, this is the result of having collision activated while clipped into another object, which then ejects the objects away from each other. This happened before the collision mechanics change, but has become much more extreme since then. Here's an example of a capital bump: The two selected dreadnoughts were fleet warped to the same location as me in a small group of capitals, and were bumped the huge distances pictured above. Gang warping, jumping together, or even undocking two capital ships at the same time all carry a significant chance for these bumps, which can send a normally very slow ship massive distances, rendering them unable to warp for upwards of several minutes, and also possibly spreading edges of a fleet past the hard coded lock range limit of 250km (if two people are bumped in opposite directions and each travel ~150km as pictured above). The current mechanics available to move capitals around as a fleet are almost unusable because of these bumps. This needs to change, and it needs to change fast.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:35:00 - [2] If it's that massive an effect, I agree totally.
Autopilot Engaged	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:37:00 - [3]
Grann Thefauto Internal Anarchy	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:39:00 - [4] Thats insane. Looks like fun though actually. You should probably report this as a bug if you haven't already.
Tenshiin Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:42:00 - [5] This is a massive issue. Fix it.
Gramtar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:55:00 - [6] To add to the original post, while registering my support: We tried various techniques to minimize bumping last night, including limiting the number of capitals warping to a specific 10km distance interval to as low as 3-5. The problem is minimized when doing this and when all ships arrive on grid at the same time. Bumping occurs, and it's worse than pre-Apocrypha, but seemed somewhat manageable. When just one ship warps in late to the same location, the remainder fly like bowling pins. Something is seriously screwed up in the mass / inertia calculations here. With only 20 capitals warping to the same point, my estimate is at least 1/5 will consistently be bumped large distances (50 km or more). In larger capital fleets, the bumping frequency will likely be even more pronounced. Clearly, this is not working as intended, and CCP should begin working on a resolution immediately. I hope they acknowledge the issue, and offer to reimburse capitals lost due to long range bumps in the interim.
Kurik Chryllos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:57:00 - [7]
EdFromHumanResources GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:57:00 - [8] Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 13/03/2009 23:59:59 Motherships can very easily bump caps offgrid. 500+ km away simply by warping in at the same point or cynoing into the same beacon ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
Vx15i GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.13 23:59:00 - [9]
Ephemeron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.14 00:20:00 - [10] Definitely valid concerns that need to be addressed I also want to say that I am disappointed with the bumping nerf mechanics for smaller ships. Bumping, while unnatural, offers very interesting tactical situations. Bumping a carrier out of dock range with battleships and HACs used to be pretty fun and balanced. This is one of those cases where we shouldn't make the game more realistic, instead favor the fun factor. Strong bumping mechanics add an extra dimension to combat, making smaller ships more valuable against larger ones.

Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 00:31:00 - [11] The patch definitely broke the hell out of bumping and it needs to be fixed to preserve normal capship combat and operations.
The Slayer GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 00:42:00 - [12] I support this unless they bring back pos bowling, then keep it in pls
Tar'an Tula GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 00:43:00 - [13] this is a huge problem. supporting this issue.
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 00:46:00 - [14] Totally broke.
BonzaiDNA GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 00:53:00 - [15] No.... its cool. I love trying to shoot pos anywhere from 20km to 130km from my original warp in. It adds a whole new level of wtf to the complexity of this game.
Virtuoso DeToure GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 01:09:00 - [16] I can't imagine what is happening now was an intended design decision by CCP.
Jamin Berry GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 01:10:00 - [17] Ridiculous.
Davor Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 01:12:00 - [18] Definitely supporting this.
Sovereign533 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.14 01:23:00 - [19] oh god, they didn't... *Your signature file has been removed for the inclusion of inappropriate language. -- Fallout 3
Korerin Mayul	Posted - 2009.03.14 01:27:00 - [20] this one is going to be a massive nightmare to fix... i suggest - make big ships squidgey, problem solved :D

Professor Dumbledore GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:06:00 - [21] fix it
Kelly Smith Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:07:00 - [22] yes
sally bestonge3	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:09:00 - [23] fix this issue
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:09:00 - [24] fix the issue
dena chan	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:10:00 - [25] fixu
Daac Iomen	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:16:00 - [26]
dena chan2	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:30:00 - [27] yes please
Sally Bestonge GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:32:00 - [28] yes
sally bestonge4	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:38:00 - [29] please fix it
sally bestonge2	Posted - 2009.03.14 02:40:00 - [30] supporintg



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