| Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Vegeta
   |
Posted - 2004.08.17 14:37:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: hired goon
Edited by: hired goon on 17/08/2004 12:25:01
The freedom that millions of people in World War 2 died for is being spat on by politically correct people who decide I can't call a blackboard a blackboard, because it's racist.
Its african-american board! Racist!
j/k
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
|
Vegeta
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 14:37:00 -
[32]
Originally by: hired goon
Edited by: hired goon on 17/08/2004 12:25:01
The freedom that millions of people in World War 2 died for is being spat on by politically correct people who decide I can't call a blackboard a blackboard, because it's racist.
Its african-american board! Racist!
j/k
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
|
Vegeta
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 14:37:00 -
[33]
Originally by: hired goon
Edited by: hired goon on 17/08/2004 12:25:01
The freedom that millions of people in World War 2 died for is being spat on by politically correct people who decide I can't call a blackboard a blackboard, because it's racist.
Its african-american board! Racist!
j/k
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
|
Vegeta
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 14:37:00 -
[34]
Originally by: hired goon
Edited by: hired goon on 17/08/2004 12:25:01
The freedom that millions of people in World War 2 died for is being spat on by politically correct people who decide I can't call a blackboard a blackboard, because it's racist.
Its african-american board! Racist!
j/k
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
|
Danton Marcellus
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 19:32:00 -
[35]
Freedom = Indifference of others towards you.
Convert Stations
|
Danton Marcellus
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 19:32:00 -
[36]
Freedom = Indifference of others towards you.
Convert Stations
|
Plim
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 19:55:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Plim on 17/08/2004 20:01:10
If by Freedom what is meant is Free Society, then the only logical system by which a free society can exist, is a system in which the only limitation is the inability to take away the freedoms of others.
This is why it is so illogical to call a society which is based on private ownership "free". As a society in which some have more freedoms than others, clearly is not a free society - if one accepts the above definition.
-----------------
|
Plim
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 19:55:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Plim on 17/08/2004 20:01:10
If by Freedom what is meant is Free Society, then the only logical system by which a free society can exist, is a system in which the only limitation is the inability to take away the freedoms of others.
This is why it is so illogical to call a society which is based on private ownership "free". As a society in which some have more freedoms than others, clearly is not a free society - if one accepts the above definition.
-----------------
|
Viceroy
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 20:04:00 -
[39]
lol @ vegeta 
-
|
Viceroy
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 20:04:00 -
[40]
lol @ vegeta
-
|
PaulAtreides
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 21:06:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Plim
Edited by: Plim on 17/08/2004 20:01:10
If by Freedom what is meant is Free Society, then the only logical system by which a free society can exist, is a system in which the only limitation is the inability to take away the freedoms of others.
This is why it is so illogical to call a society which is based on private ownership "free". As a society in which some have more freedoms than others, clearly is not a free society - if one accepts the above definition.
Very good.
How would one person be more 'free' then another person? Personal choice is something we all have. We can always choose to do something or not. If some people have more choices does that really mean that they are more 'free'? If so does that in turn mean that +$ = +freedom?
Want to work for me? |
PaulAtreides
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 21:06:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Plim
Edited by: Plim on 17/08/2004 20:01:10
If by Freedom what is meant is Free Society, then the only logical system by which a free society can exist, is a system in which the only limitation is the inability to take away the freedoms of others.
This is why it is so illogical to call a society which is based on private ownership "free". As a society in which some have more freedoms than others, clearly is not a free society - if one accepts the above definition.
Very good.
How would one person be more 'free' then another person? Personal choice is something we all have. We can always choose to do something or not. If some people have more choices does that really mean that they are more 'free'? If so does that in turn mean that +$ = +freedom?
Want to work for me? |
Azure Skyclad
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 21:35:00 -
[43]
Talking about Freedom is kinda pointless whne the vast majority of humanity can't see past each individual's wants. Freedom today tends to mean "What i can get away with before someone tries to stop me getting away with it."
Freedom begins on an individual level. Most of the crap we see in the world nowadays is because most (if not all) of us havn't got a clue that freedom is as much about self discipline as it is about doing what you want.
Bit deep for Tuesday evening but, there ye go. 
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |
Azure Skyclad
|
Posted - 2004.08.17 21:35:00 -
[44]
Talking about Freedom is kinda pointless whne the vast majority of humanity can't see past each individual's wants. Freedom today tends to mean "What i can get away with before someone tries to stop me getting away with it."
Freedom begins on an individual level. Most of the crap we see in the world nowadays is because most (if not all) of us havn't got a clue that freedom is as much about self discipline as it is about doing what you want.
Bit deep for Tuesday evening but, there ye go.
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |
Plim
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 12:37:00 -
[45]
Quote:
Very good.
How would one person be more 'free' then another person? Personal choice is something we all have. We can always choose to do something or not. If some people have more choices does that really mean that they are more 'free'? If so does that in turn mean that +$ = +freedom?
In a system which is inherently unequal many people are more "free" than others. So for example if land/resources are owned by a minority, that minority can force others to work via wage labour in order to survive.
Therefore in such a society, certain people have greater freedom than others, because they have the ability to take freedom from others. So it is a logical conclusion that in order to have a free society, it must be an equal society.
Limited "personal choice" does not change material conditions.
So it is not a "free society" if someone has the freedom the murder someone, in the same way that it is not a free society, if someone has the freedom to exploit others through private ownership, because that society would have an un-equal set of freedoms. As people should equally have the freedom to life, and the freedom to profit from thier own labour etc.
-----------------
|
Plim
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 12:37:00 -
[46]
Quote:
Very good.
How would one person be more 'free' then another person? Personal choice is something we all have. We can always choose to do something or not. If some people have more choices does that really mean that they are more 'free'? If so does that in turn mean that +$ = +freedom?
In a system which is inherently unequal many people are more "free" than others. So for example if land/resources are owned by a minority, that minority can force others to work via wage labour in order to survive.
Therefore in such a society, certain people have greater freedom than others, because they have the ability to take freedom from others. So it is a logical conclusion that in order to have a free society, it must be an equal society.
Limited "personal choice" does not change material conditions.
So it is not a "free society" if someone has the freedom the murder someone, in the same way that it is not a free society, if someone has the freedom to exploit others through private ownership, because that society would have an un-equal set of freedoms. As people should equally have the freedom to life, and the freedom to profit from thier own labour etc.
-----------------
|
Ichabod Dirange
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 13:24:00 -
[47]
In short there would be no McDonalds in the land of the free.
|
Ichabod Dirange
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 13:24:00 -
[48]
In short there would be no McDonalds in the land of the free.
|
Latex Mistress
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 16:29:00 -
[49]
I love all the dime-store philosophers on this board...
Paul: "freedom", by definition, is the ability to act independent of outside influence.
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
|
Latex Mistress
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 16:29:00 -
[50]
I love all the dime-store philosophers on this board...
Paul: "freedom", by definition, is the ability to act independent of outside influence.
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
|
Attrael
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 17:21:00 -
[51]
True freedom can only be achieved through death. For it is at that point that you aren't bound by the will of others, and there's nothing that others can take away from you. Neither by force, or otherwise.
|
Attrael
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 17:21:00 -
[52]
True freedom can only be achieved through death. For it is at that point that you aren't bound by the will of others, and there's nothing that others can take away from you. Neither by force, or otherwise.
|
Lianhaun
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 17:25:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Lianhaun on 18/08/2004 17:26:42
Morals and Ethics should not be confused with laws and politics. They are very different.
Moral and Ethics are applied in politics and laws. They formed the basis of laws and politics. M0st political decisions are taken on utilist's ideas ( largest good for the greatest number of people. So saying morals and ethics shouldn't be cofnsued with laws and politics is kinda hard since they are fused together.
However I'm in favour of Kants idea of freedom ( categorical imperative I think its knows as)but I cant seem to forget about what Marx said about freedom and labour either. Hegel later on perfected the idea ( imho)
To put it briefly, there cant be general freedom if there are no laws or guidelines that resrict a bit of your freedom to grant someone else theirs.
( I want to play very loud music, but deafening my neighbours takes away their freedom and choice to enjoy a reasonable quiet afternoon')
Freedom doesn't mean you can sit down and do nothing all day either, because when you are free and act free something very irritating comes along as well ; responsibility.
Just 2 cents of an entire bookload of thoughts from me.
*prepares for serious arguments and hopes she has all her books present at her bf's home*
This is not a hijack
|
Lianhaun
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 17:25:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Lianhaun on 18/08/2004 17:26:42
Morals and Ethics should not be confused with laws and politics. They are very different.
Moral and Ethics are applied in politics and laws. They formed the basis of laws and politics. M0st political decisions are taken on utilist's ideas ( largest good for the greatest number of people. So saying morals and ethics shouldn't be cofnsued with laws and politics is kinda hard since they are fused together.
However I'm in favour of Kants idea of freedom ( categorical imperative I think its knows as)but I cant seem to forget about what Marx said about freedom and labour either. Hegel later on perfected the idea ( imho)
To put it briefly, there cant be general freedom if there are no laws or guidelines that resrict a bit of your freedom to grant someone else theirs.
( I want to play very loud music, but deafening my neighbours takes away their freedom and choice to enjoy a reasonable quiet afternoon')
Freedom doesn't mean you can sit down and do nothing all day either, because when you are free and act free something very irritating comes along as well ; responsibility.
Just 2 cents of an entire bookload of thoughts from me.
*prepares for serious arguments and hopes she has all her books present at her bf's home*
This is not a hijack
|
Lianhaun
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 17:28:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Latex Mistress
I love all the dime-store philosophers on this board...
Paul: "freedom", by definition, is the ability to act independent of outside influence.
Entering my third year in september ( major in philosophy)
And I think there are as many definitions of freedom, reality, thruth and more of those abstract themes as you have have philosophers.
This is not a hijack
|
Lianhaun
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 17:28:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Latex Mistress
I love all the dime-store philosophers on this board...
Paul: "freedom", by definition, is the ability to act independent of outside influence.
Entering my third year in september ( major in philosophy)
And I think there are as many definitions of freedom, reality, thruth and more of those abstract themes as you have have philosophers.
This is not a hijack
|
Hakera
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 19:00:00 -
[57]
freedom
yours ends where the next persons begins!
and a little quote
Quote:
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either.
--Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 19:00:00 -
[58]
freedom
yours ends where the next persons begins!
and a little quote
Quote:
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either.
--Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Mitawyn
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 21:33:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Harry Stoteles
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose.
Janis Joplin
"nothin ain't worth nothin, but it's free"
|
Mitawyn
|
Posted - 2004.08.18 21:33:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Harry Stoteles
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose.
Janis Joplin
"nothin ain't worth nothin, but it's free"
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |