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thrall intaci	Posted - 2009.03.17 03:55:00 - [1] well.. i played EVE for about 3 weeks. got trained and skilled enough to buy myself a vexor i get to fly that vexor for 20 min and it gets destroyed and before know of it i am locked again and warp jammed and podkilled .... game over. didn¦t know how to get another pod or clone or what it is called. so i decited to just uninstall the entire game and delete my chars and stop payment... spent those 3 weeks getting the money to buy that vexor getting trained for it and i get podkilled to find out that i basicly need to start all over.. fun game.. yes it is.. but am i the only one who thiks that people should have the option to acually choose wether they wan¦t to be a PVP player or PVE?? PVP kinda tells it¦s own story... PVE on the other hand could be for players that rather wan¦t to fool around killing rats. manufactor ships and other stuff to sell. making a finacial empire without risking loosing it all cause some **** thinks it is funny to come along w8ting to the shield and armor is low enough. he¦s flying in maybe a battleship wityh 2 missilelaunchers and 7 turret hardpoints against a vexor.. woohoo.. what a fight.. but that is not really the issue here. ** happens. i would just like to see the option between PVP and PVE so that PVE players simply cannot be targeted unless they target another player. i just wanted to mine build and fool around killing rats.. not pvp.. but the game unfortunately dosn¦t offer that option.. pretty sad.. cause it is a brilliant game when you look apart from that you risk getting killed by a naglefar against a velator.. :-S kinda unfair. sorry for the long post and my whining.. just wanted to see how many shared my point of view or if i just should keep the game uninstalled
Persephonie Sa'var	Posted - 2009.03.17 05:12:00 - [2] having not played eve but a month you didn't have enough time to learn about the game's interwoven life of the players. the story really comes alive from there. once your pod is destroyed, realize that you are in a station with the basic level clone. this clone will need to be updated in order to accommodate more skillpoints (sp). to do this you will need to locate a station with a medical service. to do this, log into the eve client and select "channels and mailing lists" from the neocom (ingame: left hand menu) once in the "channels and mailing lists"-tab, select the "Help" channel under the 'Help' drop-down menu... someone in there will be able to help you further. cheers
fuldon ammagon	Posted - 2009.03.17 05:37:00 - [3] i appreciate your explanation. but i have to admit that i do not enjoy playing a game where all odds are against me. stupid gamers like the one that felt podkilling me was fun makes it hard for the developers of eve to draw new players to the this game. some poeple enjoy killing time by making peacefull missions, mining and manufacturing., others enjoy the pvp world of an online game.. as it is right now the only way to go in this game is pvp. emaging you finally get a naglefar, witch probably takes about 2 years or so. the best battleship available and you get killed by a gang that thinks it¦s funny to do so even though you don¦t really wan¦t to pvp. and on top of that they just podkill you as well just to **** you off :-) i really think the game misses a PVE section.. would attract more people to the world of EVE. especially after the new patch.. amazing graphics.. plus the game is absolutly not noob friendly. i was lucky to join a corp early on that thought me everything i needed to know to train what i needed to get a powerfull first accual battleship. unfortunately i didn+¦t get that far before i was podkilled and had to start from scratch with 900.000 skillpoints. so.. i will return to EVE .... IF and when there arrives a PVE section of the game that makes it possible for people like me to make a more friendly approach to the game :-) and not absolutely be forced to take up arms against other players :-)
Hit DaBooks	Posted - 2009.03.17 05:39:00 - [4] obvious troll is obvious
MechaViridis Amarr Honorable Guild of Interstellar Bacon Specialists	Posted - 2009.03.17 06:14:00 - [5] Just keep the game uninstalled Xfire -- Seph31
Mia Summersdaughter Gallente l Black Thorns l Event Horizon.	Posted - 2009.03.17 09:12:00 - [6] Upgrade you clone, insure your ship. Problem solved. Oh, don¦t go into lowsec unless you know what you are doing.
Tykkis	Posted - 2009.03.17 10:50:00 - [7] Originally by: thrall intaci well.. i played EVE for about 3 weeks. got trained and skilled enough to buy myself a vexor i get to fly that vexor for 20 min and it gets destroyed and before know of it i am locked again and warp jammed and podkilled .... game over. i'll translate this event into your language. consider this as your first lesson/level up from Paladin lvl 1 to lvl 2
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.03.17 11:09:00 - [8] Originally by: thrall intaci well.. i played EVE for about 3 weeks. got trained and skilled enough to buy myself a vexor i get to fly that vexor for 20 min and it gets destroyed....sorry for the long post and my whining.. just wanted to see how many shared my point of view or if i just should keep the game uninstalled Actually, quite a few people share your perspective. Check this out.
fuldon ammagon	Posted - 2009.03.17 11:59:00 - [9] hahaha.. seems like tykkis have me all figured out. :-P you probably figured out that i am an old world of warcraft player :-P waiting with going to lowsec untill i know what i am doing?? that is exactly what i mean with that i am locked. cause the game is so complex that unless you have a supermind and can learn the entire game in 3-6 weeks. you might be able to go lowsec and have a pretty good survival% otherwhise you are doomed right from the start when you start up your character :-). that is what i mean that the odds are against new players... maybe i am just not that patient. but seems like alot of others share the same point of view that i have.. hehe.. i don+¦t know if that kitty program was some kind of sarkasme.. if it was.. it was i good one.. :-P
Jonas Cooke	Posted - 2009.03.17 12:58:00 - [10] 3 weeks? So you lost maybe 2-3mil sp at best, nothing big and unrecoverable, maybe an additional week or so to restore what you lost. So yeah, EVE ain't for everyone. I've noticed the rookie channel has been backed up with the same questions every ten or so minutes (from different rookies), so perhaps the tutorial needs to be more comprehensive at outlining how to make clones (and that it's important) and about low-sec space sooner. Or point the direction first to the tutorial screen so they can find the info without asking.

Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:13:00 - [11] Originally by: fuldon ammagon as it is right now the only way to go in this game is pvp. emaging you finally get a naglefar, witch probably takes about 2 years or so. Classic trap :) You can start to PVP in a week or so once you train for a rifter and the skills needed to fit one - it's not about how many skill points you have or how bit your guns are. I appreciate you lost your ship and your heard-earned ISK but that's the way the game is - it's a harsh mistress and this can happen anywhere, to a greater or lesser extent. We were all new once and we ALL suffered and felt discouraged when we lost our first ship, but don't give up. I would say stick with it and keep trying but if you really feel that you don't like this way of playing that think that Eve just is not for you then I applaud you - it's not easy to say "You know what, I just don't like this style, it's not for me". Stick around and give mining or mission running a try whilst you recoup your losses and train some skills, otherwise best of luck in finding a game that suits the sort of playstyle you have in mind.
fuldon ammagon	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:19:00 - [12] njaa.. lost a little more than that :-) 6 mill for the ship and another 10 mill to support systems and weapons or so. but the ISK and the fact that i was destroyed is not really what bothers me :-) it is the fact that i have been set back with 500.000 skillpoints cause the tutorial at no point explained to me that i would need to update my clone to lower the risk of being set back too much :-) the problem to that could be automatic serverupdate as you play so you always come back to where you left off and can buy another ship and fly it right away:-) if i had that option i woulden mind. but loosing for 3 weeks of training in a matter of 10 sec. that is so unfair as anything can be. the tutorial is incomplete.. anyone can figure out how to navigate around space with very little effort. so maybe the tutorial should be of more pressing issues such as updating cloning and jump cloning. that is what can save your entire envestments. ofc.. a little thinking for one self is not in the way either and not do as i did and go out in space without a MWD. so in some way it was really my own fault.. but i could have saved my training of i was told how to update clones in the tutorial
Jauqs Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:26:00 - [13] Originally by: thrall intaci but am i the only one who thiks that people should have the option to acually choose wether they wan¦t to be a PVP player or PVE?? No you are not. There are plenty of others and they play on various PvE servers on WoW. Originally by: thrall intaci i just wanted to mine build and fool around killing rats.. not pvp.. but the game unfortunately dosn¦t offer that option.. pretty sad.. cause it is a brilliant game when you look apart from that you risk getting killed by a naglefar against a velator.. :-S kinda unfair. Just because you can't understand some of the simplest concepts in the game which allow many thousands of players to regularly and fairly safely do exactly this (mine build and fool around killing rats), does not mean it is not possible. Open your eyes and learn the game before you try and pass some sort of sage wisdom here. Originally by: thrall intaci sorry for the long post and my whining.. just wanted to see how many shared my point of view or if i just should keep the game uninstalled If you are still bothered by the loss of the pixels that represented an internet spaceship game ship, then leave the game uninstalled is my advice.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:29:00 - [14] The fact that there is no separate PVP server or instances or whatsoever other MMORPG's are offering is the reason why the Eve community likes that game. You can play Eve in relative safety though if you understand how aggro mechanics work especially in hisec. Do not go to losec if you are not ready to lose your ship frequently - do not undock when you do not want to lose your ship at all. Never carry all your eggs in one basket. If you can embrace the concept of risk, give it another try. If your proposal is the only way to keep you in the game, please leave today and never come back. Originally by: Rells First of all, I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls.
Lukriss Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:34:00 - [15] Edited by: Lukriss on 17/03/2009 13:37:35 edit: lol posted an empty post. What security system were you in? if you jumped into low sec ignoring the message before your felt you know what you were doing is tbh your own fault
fuldon ammagon	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:51:00 - [16] i appreciate all the posts that peeps have entered.. some aggree in my point of view. not many.. and the majority says uninstall game and you are probably right.. EVE may be a brilliant game with many aspects and ways to turn. but in my oppinion lag a more silent approach to the game rather that headon pvp. pvp is absolutely not my type of gaming.. not in world of warcraft and not in EVE.. in world of warcraft i can choose what i wan¦t though. and everyone can¦t kill me so i can go do what i wanna do without getting herassed,,, unless i choose to turn on my pvp then i would be a target to everyone in the opposit faction. bottomline.. i get to choose in world of warcraft witch kind of gameplay i would like.. so bottomline is that i probably should stick with world of warcraft and w8. hoping that a simillar game to EVE arrives but with more aspects to the more quiet gamer. :-)
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2009.03.17 13:53:00 - [17] Originally by: thrall intaci am i the only one who thiks that people should have the option to acually choose wether they wan¦t to be a PVP player or PVE?? I don't think anyone that "gets" EVE shares your view. EVE is good because of its harsh, PvP nature. That said, you have ultimate responsibility for your actions - if you put yourself in a position to be killed, then it really is your own fault. There is responsibility, and there are consequences. EVE is great that way. If you don't like that, and want to PvE, then EVE's not really a great PvE game, and there are better ones out there. In which case, yes, you should keep it uninstalled. If on the other hand you recognise the potential in the challenge that EVE offers, and the ability to build up empires while tearing down others, then that's EVE for you. It would not be the same if someone could flip an arbitrary flag and remain safe from other people. Anyway, if you really want that kind of safety in EVE, then stay in highsec, in an NPC corp. No-one will be legally allowed to attack you, so any aggression on their part will be met by CONCORD destroying their ship. That's not to say that they won't be able to kill you first - remember, responsibility. If you give someone enough cause to suicide their ship in order to destroy yours, then they have that option available to them. Again, that's what I like about EVE, there's always recourse against other players that have it coming for whatever reason. Plus, don't fly what you can't afford to lose. You will definitely be able to build up a financial empire just fine without worrying about some battleship (that magically has nine highslots) coming and attacking you - ships are transient, your empire will be mainly contacts, market orders, laboratory slots, blueprints, or whatever. Your main threat in this case would not be PvP, but rather other financial entities trying to price you out of the market or otherwise outcompete... Quote: he¦s flying in maybe a battleship wityh 2 missilelaunchers and 7 turret hardpoints against a vexor.. woohoo.. what a fight.. Battleships are slow, target slowly, and have weapons that don't hit smaller ships very well at all. You probably can't take down an active-tanked battleship in a Vexor, but there's no reason why you should be caught and killed by one. If he's passive-tanked, then by orbiting close under his guns, destroying his drones first and then going to work on the ship you would actually be able to kill him (unless he can get backup in time). Anyway - it doesn't really sound like you enjoy the nature of EVE, and since the thing you're complaining about is one of the fundamental concepts that makes EVE what it is - it doesn't sound like you'll be coming back.
Phoenix Davion	Posted - 2009.03.17 15:42:00 - [18] Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't done the beginning stuff since I first made the character, but don't they tell you about clones. And if you decided that you didn't need to do the tutorial and knew what the hell you were doing, why wouldn't you buy a clone. Now I could claim troll, like I so often see, but I know there are plenty of people that are just arrogant/stupid enough to think they know what is best to do in a game they have never played before.
Saaya Illirie Caldari Core Element Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.17 17:36:00 - [19] Edited by: Saaya Illirie on 17/03/2009 17:37:57 SP is skillpoints, btw. ISK comes and goes, losing SP is painful. Always ALWAYS ALWAYS have an updated clone or you're begging to scream wtf at your monitor while pounding your face with a meat grinder when you have to spend 28 days retraining. As for low sec; realize this: This game is one where pirating isn't just legal, it's promoted by CCP. Hostile takeovers are permitted (Guiding Hand Social Club, GH-SC) isk theft and scams are not prevented, and no one is to be trusted. Remember that, now and always, this game is cut throat. So you lost your first ship, I think I've lost a good 100 including a series of battleships which effectively lost me 1b in a week, and you happened to lose a cruiser. It does suck, yes, but you should have read that warning when you clicked "jump". Always read the warnings if you've never seen them before. EVE has a sharp learning curve and tips help you learn, and ez mode games like WOW are well, easy and you can't compare them to EVE on anything but the most remote basic levels. You can click "ignore tips" all you want, but a lot of players I know still have that "low sec warning" still available every time they jump. What didn't change from your grisly demise are your corporation standings, in three weeks you should have been able to work yourself up to level 2 missions (as its obvious you're going to a slightly more pve combat oriented path) it's not difficult, earn 1.0 standing with a corp check the agent list for a -20 quality level 2 and go do that (in a cruiser L1 are for frigs L2 cruisers L3 Battlecruisers L4 battleships). You'll have that isk back in no time. Conversely, you could join a mission running corporation for a specific faction (say Ammatar Navy mission runners for example) and join in fleets in level 4's and earn money quickly by leaching it (especially if you're a salvager for them). You might think "why would they let my crappy vexor join them?" I'll tell you this: the life of a L4 mission runner is often very boring and lonely, they'll let you come along for the company. As for next time you find yourself warp jammed, reapproach gate at best speed and jump asap. The enemy will have an aggression timer which will prevent him from giving chase, and you might be given the chance to live to tell about it. Train for a microwarpdrive; they'll be your godsend. Suffer not the insufferable to live.
Amanda Mor	Posted - 2009.03.17 18:40:00 - [20] OK, the OP is obviously an alt of an experienced player who started this thread for ****s and giggles. Right? Please tell me that's the case. Please. I mean, nobody can be this stupid, right? No option for PvE? How about high-sec mission running? "sorry for the long post and my whining.. just wanted to see how many shared my point of view or if i just should keep the game uninstalled" You are not forgiven. Keep it uninstalled.

Victor Grim	Posted - 2009.03.17 22:12:00 - [21] I do not see the problem here. If you go through the tutorial it clearly tells you about the clones. It sounds like you ventured into areas where a noob has no business being without the escort of a well seasoned group of players. You do not have to PVP in EVE. Stay away from the low security sectors and refuse all challenges and you can go about your business. You will face the occasional thief who is trying to get you to fight, just ignore them. It does sound like EVE may not be the game for you. EVE seems complicated to the noob but with a little patience and the will to get back up after being knocked down it can be a rewarding and fun game. Oh and BTW Im a 60 day noob, just dangerous enough to kill a few rats. But having years of experience in gaming I know what I have to do with a game like EVE, and it is not trying to get the biggest and badest ship as fast as I can. It is all about learning from the ground up. You are not able to competently fly a 747 when you only have experience in a Cessna.
Lady Serendipity	Posted - 2009.03.18 02:44:00 - [22] Edited by: Lady Serendipity on 18/03/2009 02:47:26 I would say that as long as you stick to systems with a sec score between 0.5 to 1.0 you are 90% safe from being killed. I had a ship filled with expensive modules and other crap and I afked outside Jita for 5 hrs nothing happened (although I wouldn't recommend it). Since playing I've never been killed in a system that was 0.5 or above. To be honest with you. You must have done the following: a. Flipped a cargo container i.e. taken something out of a can in space that did not belong to you. Which would be your fault since you were baited into doing so. b. You ventured into low sec space (below 0.5) without sufficient experience or preparation. If you want to be a carebear (a PVE-only player) then stick to 0.5 to 1.0 systems. Not too difficult. c. You were attacked because you were afk and carried something that people were willing to suicide kill you for. This is pretty rare since the attacker/s will incur a significant hit to their sec ratings. If you are giving up so easily, which is most likely due to your ignorance then I guess you should leave the game uninstalled and go back to WoW. Eve is not a game that forgives ignorant people. Edit: Had you carried on playing Eve for another few weeks, you would have found 10, 20, or even 50 mil to be nothing. Had you insured your ship and upgraded your clone you would have been fine. Had you not been so ignor.... I'll stop.
Ki'Daku Caldari Federal Space Bureau SOLAR WING	Posted - 2009.03.18 09:25:00 - [23] Originally by: thrall intaci spent those 3 weeks getting the money to buy that vexor getting trained for it and i get podkilled to find out that i basicly need to start all over.. fun game.. yes it is.. quit Eve. Play WoW. 'Nuf said.
Psycho Nomad	Posted - 2009.03.18 13:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Ki'Daku Originally by: thrall intaci spent those 3 weeks getting the money to buy that vexor getting trained for it and i get podkilled to find out that i basicly need to start all over.. fun game.. yes it is.. quit Eve. Play WoW. 'Nuf said. ^ this ^ i half feel the need to go into some long winded thing about eve being a game you have to actually think about when playing and if you make a mistake its always your fault. That its a cut throat game and because of that some people don't like the heat and prefer playing other E-Peen stroker MMOs cough... WoW... cough where all you gotta do is walk about clicking buttons and the game gives you 1337 status without the player having to put in a single once of actual critical thought. It takes a certain breed of person to enjoy eve... Hell, Google darwinianism. You'll understand... or maybe not. Oh, and install the game, gimme ur stuffs, then uninstall. Everyone winz ----- I corpse tank... Ships r for noobs.
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2009.03.18 14:17:00 - [25] Don't listen to all those people telling you to go play WoW. Perhaps you should, but first ask yourself a question. How did you feel when you got podded? Has a mere game ever made you feel that way before? It is the risk and the severity of consequences that sets Eve apart. Perhaps that is not for you, but let me tell you, it is an experience you will not get in just any game. You can minimize the risks quite easily, as some have mentioned. Stay in high-security if you don't want to "turn pvp on" and basically don't go ahead with anything that pops a warning screen. Keep your clone updated and get insurance for your ship. Most importantly, if you decide to give it another go, find a good corporation that is interested in the same things as you (missions, mining, whatever). They will help you, show you the ropes, protect you, etc. Your corporation button opens up a screen that has a recruitment tab I believe. Eve is very freeform and as a result can both be quite harsh and quite exhilarating. It's not for everybody and that's ok, but it is so much more compelling than the simple grind that sums up most other mmo's. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Angelina Semolina Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.18 23:47:00 - [26] Originally by: fuldon ammagon so bottomline is that i probably should stick with world of warcraft and w8. hoping that a simillar game to EVE arrives but with more aspects to the more quiet gamer. :-)[/quote well i have been playing EVE for over 4 years now and havent been in ANY PVP what so ever (until i decided to go to PVP) it can all be done easily just stick to high sec regions (1.0 - 0.8 dont have rats / 0.7 - 0.5 do have rats and you will need same small protection when in those systems but nothing realy big (drones will mostly do well) 0.4 - 0.0 are the dangerous areas and you will get killed there easily) so you see even the quit gamer gets what he wants so restart EVE and play again but be carefull this time (maybe download some guides beforehand to learn the game faster)
Tyrton Caldari Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:17:00 - [27] I'll bite. Yup that's a great idea a pve server .....how often folks loose ships in missions ...barring server sync and personal stupidity not often. So manufacturing is no longer an option .... which means mining is not an option so you can't make isks other than missions and a single battleship will cost billions since no one is selling any. END result EVE DIES!! My first ship loss was my badger filled to the brim with trit that I spent mining in a bantam and eventually an osprey. Saw a huge buy order on the market and most of you can guess what happened next. Click set destination, What are those dots on the top right? /shrug. Engage autopilot and watch the ship align warp approach etc. etc. Oh whats that silly pop up on my screen just click "OK" .... oh there goes ship there goes pod, a fine gentleman in a thorax and his mate in another cruiser vaporized me. The next thing I see is an empty station (and at the time) Aurora's annoying voice telling me I got pod killed. I had the same knee jerk reaction as you then I started thinking Whose fault was it that got me killed the two fine gents with their -10 status.. NO it was my own greed and stupidity that got me killed. That was about 2 years ago!!! And I still love this game. And if I ever run into the pilot of the RAX well .... now I know better maybe the outcome will be different or the same but I know that it will be just plain old FUN.
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:09:00 - [28] obv troll but a lot of effort put into it, 9/10 Originally by: Queue K'Umber It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
fuldon ammagon	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:23:00 - [29] i have read quit alot on eve after the last posts here... and i do see that making an EVE PVE server would be pretty stupid since EVE is all about "cutthroat" gaming as some said. i just didn¦t know what i was going into. i probably won¦t start up the game right away since my reaction to being podkilled was almost breaking my keyboard into 2 peices :-P now i know if i ever start up again what to do from all the nice peoples posts in here.... (and some of the negative peoples)never the less positive and negetive posts has thought me more about EVE. :-) so.. thank you all of you. :-)
Yonker GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.19 05:07:00 - [30] One of the simplest rules of EVE: - Never fly what you can't afford to lose. If you're expecting some artificial 'pve' ruleset to keep you safe you're better off playing some other MMO. The reason EVE is worth playing is because it is just as possible to lose everything because of a dumb mistake as it is to make millions and millions of isk because of a smart move.



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