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Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.18 22:30:00 - [61] Originally by: Franga Originally by: Crumplecorn but pirates/whatever camping just for the sake of kills has an air of (degenerates into random ramblings) W (finishes question) What? - DesuSigs
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2009.03.18 22:56:00 - [62] Maybe not allow them in the same grid as the wormhole itself? Spacial disturbance and all that. Still means opportunities for bubbling near moons and signals etc. -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Corwain	Posted - 2009.03.18 22:58:00 - [63] Edited by: Corwain on 18/03/2009 22:58:45 What is this OT argument about word usage and how the heck did this thread become so awesome and hilarious in the 30mins it took me to drive home from work? -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
IsoMetricanTaliac 2	Posted - 2009.03.18 23:20:00 - [64] I will dare to say that once the first excitement of WH's die's down there will probably be a whole lot less people looking/using/etc them & I will even go as far as to say that it may even end up with WH's being like lowsec where very few people even bother trying to go any more. Either way I don't think WH's are going to stay on the top of many people's agendas for too much longer so the camping and bubble issue will probably not change until people start getting sick of hanging around at WH's for hours on end for nothing. Would be great if bubbles didn't work in the area of a WH due to the interference caused by the WH (well thats what I would expect seeing they have only just appeared and the factions really haven't yet had time to re-engineer their technologies to cope with issues that WH's cause) Anyway have fun.
Lucas Tigh East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.18 23:47:00 - [65] Originally by: Venkul Mul Irregardless of our opinion... I hate you. ------------------------------------- CCP, make me a winner.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.18 23:54:00 - [66] No. W-space is like 0.0. That is all. Kick the pirates in the face, especially when they're stuck in their own bubble, steal their loot, salvage their wrecks, and collapse the wormhole behind you, so they have to pod themselves home, and yell 'how-yarrr-like that!' in the delayed local before you leave. That is how you deal with the problem.
Skalet	Posted - 2009.03.18 23:56:00 - [67] Ohhh my god, your CAREBEAR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS! keep whining, bubbles are hee to stay, you dont like it, leave the game.
Balendin	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:05:00 - [68] Yes moron, they should be allowed, WILL be allowed, ALWAYS be ALLOWED, and you can take your crying self to wow. POOR carbear got owned by eve players in spaceships?
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 18/03/2009 21:51:18 Originally by: Kyra Felann I don't consider a word that's an incorrect combination of two word to be a real word, no matter how long it's been used, no matter what the dictionary says. The word is "regardless". Someone heard it wrong or something and started saying "irregardless" and other people, thinking it sounded smart started using it. It doesn't mean it's correct. If you look at the parts of the word, it should really mean the opposite of what you might think. It's only a real word if you consider mistakes perpetrated by enough people for long enough suddenly become correct. Wow, so the whole American version of English should be removed? Agreeing with and being supported by Ruze is a totally new experience. Nah, it's happened before. I'm sure of it. Just don't ask me for a link. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:11:00 - [70] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 19/03/2009 00:12:49 Any arguments for regulating stuff in wspace is stupid. Wspace is space that is uncharted and not controlled, you should do what you want in them. No exception. This is not WoW. This is supposed to be bases at least a bit on reason, not some magical space systems that does not allow some mechanics since it "hurts people"

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:12:00 - [71] Originally by: James Lyrus No. W-space is like 0.0. That is all. Kick the pirates in the face, especially when they're stuck in their own bubble, steal their loot, salvage their wrecks, and collapse the wormhole behind you, so they have to pod themselves home, and yell 'how-yarrr-like that!' in the delayed local before you leave. That is how you deal with the problem. Exactly. If you get popped at the entrance to a wh by a gank force then just remember what the gankers were flying and get a superior force of implantless alts in cheap t1 fitted insured cruisers and go back and take them out or at least kill what you can and close the wh trapping the pirates in. That should put a damper on the casual pirates enthusiasm. Of course this hinges on empire players working together but at least its doable with no silly game mechanic changes. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:15:00 - [72] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: James Lyrus No. W-space is like 0.0. That is all. Kick the pirates in the face, especially when they're stuck in their own bubble, steal their loot, salvage their wrecks, and collapse the wormhole behind you, so they have to pod themselves home, and yell 'how-yarrr-like that!' in the delayed local before you leave. That is how you deal with the problem. Exactly. If you get popped at the entrance to a wh by a gank force then just remember what the gankers were flying and get a superior force of implantless alts in cheap t1 fitted insured cruisers and go back and take them out or at least kill what you can and close the wh trapping the pirates in. That should put a damper on the casual pirates enthusiasm. Of course this hinges on empire players working together but at least its doable with no silly game mechanic changes. While I mostly agree, I wonder what the reasoning is behind not being able to deploy cyno's. You can't deploy cyno's in w-space, right? What about jumpgates? Not sure if they require sovereignty or not. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:24:00 - [73] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon While I mostly agree, I wonder what the reasoning is behind not being able to deploy cyno's. You can't deploy cyno's in w-space, right? What about jumpgates? Not sure if they require sovereignty or not. Well to me bubbles are nessesary for an active defense force who constantly scans for new wh to effectively police the space and keep out or at least limit the mobility of unwanted aggressors. As far as no cyno type of jumping for cap ships and such its to keep someone from sending in a cov ops then popping a cyno to bypass the wormhole mass limits mechanic. Rp wise it can be explained away as you need the precise coordinates provided by the jump gate netwok to be able to have a cap ship jump to a frigate with a cyno generator and since w-space has no gate network you get no cynos with enough precision to be usable. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:26:00 - [74] I think because Cap ships can only jump a few lightyears and wormhole space is supposed to be, like, in another galaxy or something shrugs - Contagious -
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:26:00 - [75] Originally by: Rawr Cristina I think because Cap ships can only jump a few lightyears and wormhole space is supposed to be, like, in another galaxy or something shrugs What about w-space to w-space, though? I mean, is it possible to lay jump bridges between w-space locations? Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.03.19 00:33:00 - [76] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Rawr Cristina I think because Cap ships can only jump a few lightyears and wormhole space is supposed to be, like, in another galaxy or something shrugs What about w-space to w-space, though? I mean, is it possible to lay jump bridges between w-space locations? Wspace is at unknown places, and might be far far apart and due to insert techno babble cycnos can not open :).
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:21:00 - [77] Originally by: Lucas Tigh Originally by: Venkul Mul Irregardless of our opinion... I hate you. That ^^^. Regardless: having no regard. If there was even such a word as 'irregardless', it would mean not having no regard, which is to say, having some regard for. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Lt Mooncat	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:24:00 - [78] Originally by: BBQ Bubbles in W-Space are ok, sitting ganking new beginner players for "fun" is morally wrong, but then again EvE brings out the immorally in most of it. lol morally wrong to gank new players. You are in the FDU. You gank newb members of the opposite militia don't you?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:26:00 - [79] Originally by: Lindsay Logan Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Rawr Cristina I think because Cap ships can only jump a few lightyears and wormhole space is supposed to be, like, in another galaxy or something shrugs What about w-space to w-space, though? I mean, is it possible to lay jump bridges between w-space locations? Wspace is at unknown places, and might be far far apart and due to insert techno babble cycnos can not open :). "distance" - DesuSigs
Trind2222 Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:33:00 - [80] If some body care bear In your wormhole space who are gona call wormhole busters. ____________ Wrangler comes back out wearing his wizard hat and robe Wrangler: Hail and well met from Blizzard, how might I assist you?

Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:35:00 - [81] I hate bubbles. Always have, always will. They're as cheap and mindless as cheap, mindless tactics come. That said, they are almost a non-issue in W-space. If you jump into one, just jump back out. You aint gonna get stuck or killed unless the 'hole collapsed behind you. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Droog 1	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:44:00 - [82] Originally by: Lt Mooncat Originally by: BBQ Bubbles in W-Space are ok, sitting ganking new beginner players for "fun" is morally wrong, but then again EvE brings out the immorally in most of it. lol morally wrong to gank new players. You are in the FDU. You gank newb members of the opposite militia don't you? But that's different. The caldari newbie pressed the 'accept PvP' button but the people in wh space didn't.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:46:00 - [83] the awnser is yes why because it not ment to be safe for you to do anything in this game it maybe uncharted space but it still 0.0 and as that 0.0 rules still apply F-OFF IS RECRUITING CLICK SIG
Senora HaulerAlt	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:48:00 - [84] You do realize that you can run right back through the wormhole and away?
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.19 01:49:00 - [85] Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Lt Mooncat Originally by: BBQ Bubbles in W-Space are ok, sitting ganking new beginner players for "fun" is morally wrong, but then again EvE brings out the immorally in most of it. lol morally wrong to gank new players. You are in the FDU. You gank newb members of the opposite militia don't you? But that's different. The caldari newbie pressed the 'accept PvP' button but the people in wh space didn't. I do hope that eye roll means that you're reply was deeply tinged with sarcasm. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.19 07:50:00 - [86] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Venkul Mul Agreeing with and being supported by Ruze is a totally new experience. Nah, it's happened before. I'm sure of it. Just don't ask me for a link. Rarely and never twice in a row I think. About the topic of this thread: - the bubbles at the entry point of the wormholes are there and will stay, it is one of the standard system by CCP to increase PvP; - remember that the wormholes systems can have several entry point, so a pirate group that want to control all of them will be either stretch very thin or move in the w-system some very large force. Both options reduce the overall efficiency of the pirates and make it more risky for them ; - a group of explorers that want to control the entry point while "farming" the w-system will have even worse problems, as they will need a fleet to fight the Sleepers/mine the gas, ecc. and a group to gatecamp every WH. So mostly for them the mobile bubbles will do the function of a early warning system, meant to delay a potentially hostile group while the players doing PvE activities disengage themselves and gather as single group. All considered I think it is best for the game to allow bubbles in WH space.
Denaris Aschanna	Posted - 2009.03.19 08:22:00 - [87] Edited by: Denaris Aschanna on 19/03/2009 08:26:03 Originally by: Skalet Ohhh my god, your CAREBEAR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS! keep whining, bubbles are hee to stay, you dont like it, leave the game. Originally by: Balendin Yes moron, they should be allowed, WILL be allowed, ALWAYS be ALLOWED, and you can take your crying self to wow. POOR carbear got owned by eve players in spaceships? LOL.. did you even read the original post? To Reiterate.. Originally by: Denaris Aschanna What I'd actually like to see is WSpace made harder for everyone. I'd love to see bubbles not function near a wormhole - anywhere else in WSpace, fine. I'd really love to see the sleepers actively search out players in their space involved in PvP combat, and take on everyone they find. Let's get one thing clear - This post isn't a whine, nor have I lost any ships whilst exploring this new phenomenon, and I don't intend to. I'm not quitting EVE, so no, you can't have my stuff! @Balendin - try learning some reading comprehension before you call me a moron.. the words pot, kettle, black spring to mind.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Inhumation Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.19 08:36:00 - [88] The randomness of sleeper aggro and their high damage DOES make things hard for pirates. Normal tacklers are very fragile, but dictors can drop a bubble and get out... hictors with their bubbles indeed seem absolutely DESIGNED for use in W-space.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.19 08:37:00 - [89] Originally by: Droog 1 Originally by: Lt Mooncat lol morally wrong to gank new players. You are in the FDU. You gank newb members of the opposite militia don't you? But that's different. The caldari newbie pressed the 'accept PvP' button but the people in wh space didn't. Yes they did. It's that little yellow arrow in the bottom corner of the screen that launches you ship into space. I think it says "undock", but the actual meaning is "accept PvP". ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Denaris Aschanna	Posted - 2009.03.19 09:28:00 - [90] Originally by: Turiel Demon The randomness of sleeper aggro and their high damage DOES make things hard for pirates. Normal tacklers are very fragile, but dictors can drop a bubble and get out... hictors with their bubbles indeed seem absolutely DESIGNED for use in W-space. Which is why I use hictors in WSpace when I've scanned someone down at a sleeper site. As I've said before I don't have a problem with their general use in WSpace, I just find it a bit lame when it's used to trap people entering; personally I find it a lot more fun AND profitable if you trap people at sleeper sites. That said, I hadn't considered their use at wormholes to trap people leaving, that is a valid point, so -1 to me there



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