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Eeyore	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:37:00 - [1] old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really **ed ------------- Gloomy Domesticated Ass
Eeyore	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:37:00 - [2] old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really **ed ------------- Gloomy Domesticated Ass
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:40:00 - [3] New guys already got some extra means to catch up quicker. And dont forget that the old guys will need 3 months to be able to use these as well _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:40:00 - [4] New guys already got some extra means to catch up quicker. And dont forget that the old guys will need 3 months to be able to use these as well _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:43:00 - [5] I only hope that CCP take a firm line when balancing because specialization means harly anyone will have a backup ship/turret trained to fall back on should a ship suddenylg et nerfed... LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:43:00 - [6] I only hope that CCP take a firm line when balancing because specialization means harly anyone will have a backup ship/turret trained to fall back on should a ship suddenylg et nerfed... LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:46:00 - [7] Also remember EVE is pretty cool in that the old timers are not indestructible machines like some MMOG systems are. In other MMOG if you want to kill a L-50 fighter you had better be close to L-50 yourself. 100 L-5 characters wouldn;t stand a chance. In EVE certainly an older player has advantages but it is not too hard for clever playing and teamwork to take down a senior player. A half dozen Vigil tacklers even with less than a mil skillpoints will still give a 15 mil SP lone battleship pilot real cause for concern.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:46:00 - [8] Also remember EVE is pretty cool in that the old timers are not indestructible machines like some MMOG systems are. In other MMOG if you want to kill a L-50 fighter you had better be close to L-50 yourself. 100 L-5 characters wouldn;t stand a chance. In EVE certainly an older player has advantages but it is not too hard for clever playing and teamwork to take down a senior player. A half dozen Vigil tacklers even with less than a mil skillpoints will still give a 15 mil SP lone battleship pilot real cause for concern.
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:55:00 - [9] I played for about 8 months with my WhiteDwarf character before creating this one... I told myself I would specialize, therefore I only fly Min ships & use projectile weapons... I like the way CCP is headed with this, I just hope they can get the balance to be correct as Josh says... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:55:00 - [10] I played for about 8 months with my WhiteDwarf character before creating this one... I told myself I would specialize, therefore I only fly Min ships & use projectile weapons... I like the way CCP is headed with this, I just hope they can get the balance to be correct as Josh says... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
X 00	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:55:00 - [11] No doubt this thread will be locked but anyway... The skill training system in Eve has been here long enough, it works fine, newer players can specialise in gunnery or missile skills if they want to use tech 2 guns sooner, if they want to be able to do everything then they aren't going to be able to use the most cutting edge technology, so what? Also all the "year" old players arent suddenly going to be flying around kitted out with tech 2 guns or launchers, because A)The BPO's are as rare as all the other tech 2 blueprints B)The owner's of any originals aren't apparently keen on selling copies(probably a good thing) C)When someone does build the tech 2 gun of your choice it will be sold at an insanely high cost, if you want to buy on market or escrow, not to mention tech 2 ammo..... Tech 2 stuff isn't, and probably won't be for a LONG time, a necessity to survive and progress in this game, so ummm calm down.
X 00	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:55:00 - [12] No doubt this thread will be locked but anyway... The skill training system in Eve has been here long enough, it works fine, newer players can specialise in gunnery or missile skills if they want to use tech 2 guns sooner, if they want to be able to do everything then they aren't going to be able to use the most cutting edge technology, so what? Also all the "year" old players arent suddenly going to be flying around kitted out with tech 2 guns or launchers, because A)The BPO's are as rare as all the other tech 2 blueprints B)The owner's of any originals aren't apparently keen on selling copies(probably a good thing) C)When someone does build the tech 2 gun of your choice it will be sold at an insanely high cost, if you want to buy on market or escrow, not to mention tech 2 ammo..... Tech 2 stuff isn't, and probably won't be for a LONG time, a necessity to survive and progress in this game, so ummm calm down.
Napalm SW	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:36:00 - [13] Where would the fun be if you could use/afford Tech 2 Gear in 2 weeks. Remember the thing that makes the game fun is having something to strive for. If we all had the best stuff in a month or so we would be all bored and quit. Give it time, you will get there... and you will enjoy it that much more when you do
Napalm SW	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:36:00 - [14] Where would the fun be if you could use/afford Tech 2 Gear in 2 weeks. Remember the thing that makes the game fun is having something to strive for. If we all had the best stuff in a month or so we would be all bored and quit. Give it time, you will get there... and you will enjoy it that much more when you do
HooYah	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:58:00 - [15] Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really **ed I dont know what you like to do, but im fairly new Eve only been around for a couple months..and I don't mine roids. I spend most of my time hanging around 0.0 shooting at people for fun and I only have about 1 mill skill points. I quite often beat people who have been playing much longer. If you want a game thats easy go play Horizons or something. But stop whining on the forums.
HooYah	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really **ed I dont know what you like to do, but im fairly new Eve only been around for a couple months..and I don't mine roids. I spend most of my time hanging around 0.0 shooting at people for fun and I only have about 1 mill skill points. I quite often beat people who have been playing much longer. If you want a game thats easy go play Horizons or something. But stop whining on the forums.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Rod Blaine New guys already got some extra means to catch up quicker. And dont forget that the old guys will need 3 months to be able to use these as well Not exactly true Rod, It will take me a little over a month to speciale both in projectiles and hybrids. I allready have all the other skills. What is worrying me, is the lag on response on the clone situation, when will we see new clones, so we can speciliaze further. the new skills doenst take so long with implants and good attributes. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Rod Blaine New guys already got some extra means to catch up quicker. And dont forget that the old guys will need 3 months to be able to use these as well Not exactly true Rod, It will take me a little over a month to speciale both in projectiles and hybrids. I allready have all the other skills. What is worrying me, is the lag on response on the clone situation, when will we see new clones, so we can speciliaze further. the new skills doenst take so long with implants and good attributes. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Origim	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:24:00 - [19] Originally by: HooYah Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really **ed I dont know what you like to do, but im fairly new Eve only been around for a couple months..and I don't mine roids. I spend most of my time hanging around 0.0 shooting at people for fun and I only have about 1 mill skill points. I quite often beat people who have been playing much longer. If you want a game thats easy go play Horizons or something. But stop whining on the forums. "Few months" if beyond that 14 day trial. Many new people who will be trying a 14 day trial will be stuck to mining, which is boring, and in turn will be turned off by it. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Origim	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:24:00 - [20] Originally by: HooYah Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really **ed I dont know what you like to do, but im fairly new Eve only been around for a couple months..and I don't mine roids. I spend most of my time hanging around 0.0 shooting at people for fun and I only have about 1 mill skill points. I quite often beat people who have been playing much longer. If you want a game thats easy go play Horizons or something. But stop whining on the forums. "Few months" if beyond that 14 day trial. Many new people who will be trying a 14 day trial will be stuck to mining, which is boring, and in turn will be turned off by it. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Plasmatique	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:39:00 - [21] Back in my day... We didnt have implants, agent missions, any npc's with bounties over 85k or miner2's. Took me over a week in a bantam to mine enough to buy a Merlin, which was bought from NPC's at NPC prices cause no players were building them yet. We had pirates trying to gank us at the gates in every 0.4 and lower system because the sentries wouldnt shoot them. Damn kids got it too easy now, when I was your age, I had to fly 10 jumps uphill in a blinding snowstorm with no shoes to buy skills....NO SHOES! We didnt even have clones back then neither, so if you got podded you were f'd. NO SHOES I tell ya! ..................................... Proud Owner of a Navy Issue Raven
Plasmatique	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:39:00 - [22] Back in my day... We didnt have implants, agent missions, any npc's with bounties over 85k or miner2's. Took me over a week in a bantam to mine enough to buy a Merlin, which was bought from NPC's at NPC prices cause no players were building them yet. We had pirates trying to gank us at the gates in every 0.4 and lower system because the sentries wouldnt shoot them. Damn kids got it too easy now, when I was your age, I had to fly 10 jumps uphill in a blinding snowstorm with no shoes to buy skills....NO SHOES! We didnt even have clones back then neither, so if you got podded you were f'd. NO SHOES I tell ya! ..................................... Proud Owner of a Navy Issue Raven
Titainus	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Plasmatique Back in my day... We didnt have implants, agent missions, any npc's with bounties over 85k or miner2's. Took me over a week in a bantam to mine enough to buy a Merlin, which was bought from NPC's at NPC prices cause no players were building them yet. We had pirates trying to gank us at the gates in every 0.4 and lower system because the sentries wouldnt shoot them. Damn kids got it too easy now, when I was your age, I had to fly 10 jumps uphill in a blinding snowstorm with no shoes to buy skills....NO SHOES! We didnt even have clones back then neither, so if you got podded you were f'd. NO SHOES I tell ya! those were the good old days
Titainus	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Plasmatique Back in my day... We didnt have implants, agent missions, any npc's with bounties over 85k or miner2's. Took me over a week in a bantam to mine enough to buy a Merlin, which was bought from NPC's at NPC prices cause no players were building them yet. We had pirates trying to gank us at the gates in every 0.4 and lower system because the sentries wouldnt shoot them. Damn kids got it too easy now, when I was your age, I had to fly 10 jumps uphill in a blinding snowstorm with no shoes to buy skills....NO SHOES! We didnt even have clones back then neither, so if you got podded you were f'd. NO SHOES I tell ya! those were the good old days
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really ed Honestly you got to be joking right? As with ANY MMORG time is the key to success. All RPG, frankly are all geared to keep you playing as long as possible. The longer you play the more rewards you get. If you could come in and use Tech2 gear in 2 weeks then anyone that has been playing this game more then six months would probably be so bored they would have quit by now. (Something all us old timers have been *ing about for months now anyway....LOL) Just a couple points that since you are new you may not realize: 1) You have a big advantage over most players that have been here since launch. Why? Because when we started there was not 800 pages in the Skills forum telling you how to train your character up quickly. Example I have 2 accounts, my original character Hanse was built one the age old RPG premise that average attributes across the board are better then 2 or 3 super attributes. When I built my second character I built him with extremely high Perception and Intelligence. Now 3 months in and he has exactly 1/2 of my primary characters skill points and my primary character is over a year old... 2) Frigates are a lot more useful now then when we started playing. An a lot cheaper to buy, I remember when Merlins, Probes, Kestrals, and Rifters were 300K or more. I remember when 10mil for a cruiser was killer of a deal. I could go on and on, but trust me, new characters are not at a disadvantage. Unless you only plan on playing for the 2 week trial..... 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.**
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really ed Honestly you got to be joking right? As with ANY MMORG time is the key to success. All RPG, frankly are all geared to keep you playing as long as possible. The longer you play the more rewards you get. If you could come in and use Tech2 gear in 2 weeks then anyone that has been playing this game more then six months would probably be so bored they would have quit by now. (Something all us old timers have been *ing about for months now anyway....LOL) Just a couple points that since you are new you may not realize: 1) You have a big advantage over most players that have been here since launch. Why? Because when we started there was not 800 pages in the Skills forum telling you how to train your character up quickly. Example I have 2 accounts, my original character Hanse was built one the age old RPG premise that average attributes across the board are better then 2 or 3 super attributes. When I built my second character I built him with extremely high Perception and Intelligence. Now 3 months in and he has exactly 1/2 of my primary characters skill points and my primary character is over a year old... 2) Frigates are a lot more useful now then when we started playing. An a lot cheaper to buy, I remember when Merlins, Probes, Kestrals, and Rifters were 300K or more. I remember when 10mil for a cruiser was killer of a deal. I could go on and on, but trust me, new characters are not at a disadvantage. Unless you only plan on playing for the 2 week trial..... 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.**
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:47:00 - [27] Eeyore, what your saying comes down to ( and yes I'm doing the good old MMOG compairing thing ) is that someone that just started playing any other MMORPG that doesn't wield the uber sword of super l33tness can't play, or if he does play he doesn't get much from playing. This doesn't hold true for any MMORPG, and it most definitly ain't true for EVE. You won't be as effective as that 2 year old vet, but that 2 year old vet has earned the right to be more effective then you, that's how it works. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:47:00 - [28] Eeyore, what your saying comes down to ( and yes I'm doing the good old MMOG compairing thing ) is that someone that just started playing any other MMORPG that doesn't wield the uber sword of super l33tness can't play, or if he does play he doesn't get much from playing. This doesn't hold true for any MMORPG, and it most definitly ain't true for EVE. You won't be as effective as that 2 year old vet, but that 2 year old vet has earned the right to be more effective then you, that's how it works. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Deadzone	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:55:00 - [29] God, the way some people ***, whine and complain about EVERYTHING in the F**ng game! Everyone here was TOLD that all the skills would be going to specialization MONTHS ago!! I am a military guy by brand. Am I looking forward to spending all this time training. Honestly, hell no. But am I glad that they finally implemented a choose a path and one or two path only scenarios, you damn well bet! Everyone is this game will be taking different routes with their characters. So after a bit of time, everyone will be better at something DIFFERENT than the next clone all the whiners here want to make it. This isn;t SWG. This isn't EQ. This isn't NWN. This is Eve. A game that has already broken a lot of MMORPG barriers and by MAKING you choose a path to take, and not be a damn all-skill maxed clone character like every other POS game out there, they break another barrier. Actually making people work together if they want to excell at something as a whole. I'm sorry if you don't like having to specialize. Guess what. You don't have to. Just don't train it. That is entirely up to you and your choice. But a hell of a lot of people in this game have been looking forward to this point. We wanted it, we got it. You don't like it? Tuff- you know what. Deal with or fall behind the pack. The choice is yours. Vice-Admiral Executive Commanding Officer Military Command Hadead Drive Yards
Deadzone	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:55:00 - [30] God, the way some people ***, whine and complain about EVERYTHING in the F**ng game! Everyone here was TOLD that all the skills would be going to specialization MONTHS ago!! I am a military guy by brand. Am I looking forward to spending all this time training. Honestly, hell no. But am I glad that they finally implemented a choose a path and one or two path only scenarios, you damn well bet! Everyone is this game will be taking different routes with their characters. So after a bit of time, everyone will be better at something DIFFERENT than the next clone all the whiners here want to make it. This isn;t SWG. This isn't EQ. This isn't NWN. This is Eve. A game that has already broken a lot of MMORPG barriers and by MAKING you choose a path to take, and not be a damn all-skill maxed clone character like every other POS game out there, they break another barrier. Actually making people work together if they want to excell at something as a whole. I'm sorry if you don't like having to specialize. Guess what. You don't have to. Just don't train it. That is entirely up to you and your choice. But a hell of a lot of people in this game have been looking forward to this point. We wanted it, we got it. You don't like it? Tuff- you know what. Deal with or fall behind the pack. The choice is yours. Vice-Admiral Executive Commanding Officer Military Command Hadead Drive Yards
ArcticWolf	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:06:00 - [31] Hmm okay, if u dont like taking a few mounths to use the guns, how about the fact that itll take most people a few mounths just to be able to afford them? 1400mm scouts, when they were rarer, were over 100m each, these guns will be around that too until all of the 8 bps have been out for awhile.
ArcticWolf	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:06:00 - [32] Hmm okay, if u dont like taking a few mounths to use the guns, how about the fact that itll take most people a few mounths just to be able to afford them? 1400mm scouts, when they were rarer, were over 100m each, these guns will be around that too until all of the 8 bps have been out for awhile.
Reptar	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:17:00 - [33] still 2 bs should be able to take down one no matter how much tech 2 stuff it has. as long as they arnt kitted by morons on a bad day.
Reptar	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:17:00 - [34] still 2 bs should be able to take down one no matter how much tech 2 stuff it has. as long as they arnt kitted by morons on a bad day.
Al Thorr	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:27:00 - [35] OK my 2 penneth. Ive only got 13mil sp (still many more to go until my contract expires - hopefully SOR (Saga of Ryzom) will be out then ) Its very easy nowadays to advance with a modicum of time spent online unlike the 'good old days'.. the gunnery / missle nerf I believe have been due to this ease of progression. Wait until the peeps now complaining how hard it is to progress reach the higher SP ratings and suddenly find that the new influx of players can match them stride for stride within several weeks. ( Assuming The game is still around with the large player base) RPGs have always been a time based game and rightly so imho. Regards Al Thorr I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape
Al Thorr	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:27:00 - [36] OK my 2 penneth. Ive only got 13mil sp (still many more to go until my contract expires - hopefully SOR (Saga of Ryzom) will be out then ) Its very easy nowadays to advance with a modicum of time spent online unlike the 'good old days'.. the gunnery / missle nerf I believe have been due to this ease of progression. Wait until the peeps now complaining how hard it is to progress reach the higher SP ratings and suddenly find that the new influx of players can match them stride for stride within several weeks. ( Assuming The game is still around with the large player base) RPGs have always been a time based game and rightly so imho. Regards Al Thorr I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape
Selim	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Reptar still 2 bs should be able to take down one no matter how much tech 2 stuff it has. as long as they arnt kitted by morons on a bad day. I think anything should be possible... more things in the game need to be based on actual player skill rather than character skill. But old timers definitely need some benefits here.
Selim	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Reptar still 2 bs should be able to take down one no matter how much tech 2 stuff it has. as long as they arnt kitted by morons on a bad day. I think anything should be possible... more things in the game need to be based on actual player skill rather than character skill. But old timers definitely need some benefits here.
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:30:00 - [39] I have to agree EVE is great the way it is I myself (9 mill SP) is a jack of all trades i always claim i am a fighter however i am just as good a agent runner and producer as i am fighter will i ever get tech II weapons proberly not as i am to much into research and manifacturing is that a bad thing I dont think so i am curently training a second Charector (second account) to take over much of my R&D as my primary needs to get better at fighting (as that is what he is) and corp manegment (as i ended up a CEO) honestly though the game needs more skills so that it takes 3-6 months to be great at any one field (with new skills coming out at a regular basis) why you might ask simple to keep the miners miners the PvP PvP and the Researchers researchers it need to be a world where unless you are a ancient charactor you will only be able to do a few things and the jacks of all trades (like myself) can do any of them but not as good as the specielized person the classes we should have is CEO/Corp Maneger Miner Fighter Researcher Manufactoror station Maneger Agent runner Trader all of them can do a skill they are not specialized in however its harder for a miner to win in combat then a Fighter the fighter can mine but not as good as the miner you see my point atm its to easy to be a jack of all trades the tech II stuff has made it harder for me to keep up on the R&D and the Manufactoring so all i do atm is agent running,fighting and CEO thats what i am becoming i am hoping come shiva that i will need to limit myself even more but we will see anyway a 1 mill SP charector that is specilyzed in fighting can (and will) take me down in fair combat he dont need tech II (or III) itemns to do it and even when the tech V items come out the new charectors that are into fighting will be able to kill a 20 SP charector that is more of a miner on the whole clone thing though the limit should stay where it is or else you will run into the samme problem again in another year or so (20 mill is the cap atm if i remember correct) what needs to be put ingame is a selective skill for your clone so you basicly program the clone with the skills that you want to retain mind you BS lvl 5 would requirer the cruiser skill and frigate and spaceship skill (to the correct lvls) that way peoble can select what skills they are willing to lose if they are podded (once they reach the 20 mill SP) like the fighter giving up trading (wich is a basic starting skill on new charectors) or maybe even mining Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:30:00 - [40] I have to agree EVE is great the way it is I myself (9 mill SP) is a jack of all trades i always claim i am a fighter however i am just as good a agent runner and producer as i am fighter will i ever get tech II weapons proberly not as i am to much into research and manifacturing is that a bad thing I dont think so i am curently training a second Charector (second account) to take over much of my R&D as my primary needs to get better at fighting (as that is what he is) and corp manegment (as i ended up a CEO) honestly though the game needs more skills so that it takes 3-6 months to be great at any one field (with new skills coming out at a regular basis) why you might ask simple to keep the miners miners the PvP PvP and the Researchers researchers it need to be a world where unless you are a ancient charactor you will only be able to do a few things and the jacks of all trades (like myself) can do any of them but not as good as the specielized person the classes we should have is CEO/Corp Maneger Miner Fighter Researcher Manufactoror station Maneger Agent runner Trader all of them can do a skill they are not specialized in however its harder for a miner to win in combat then a Fighter the fighter can mine but not as good as the miner you see my point atm its to easy to be a jack of all trades the tech II stuff has made it harder for me to keep up on the R&D and the Manufactoring so all i do atm is agent running,fighting and CEO thats what i am becoming i am hoping come shiva that i will need to limit myself even more but we will see anyway a 1 mill SP charector that is specilyzed in fighting can (and will) take me down in fair combat he dont need tech II (or III) itemns to do it and even when the tech V items come out the new charectors that are into fighting will be able to kill a 20 SP charector that is more of a miner on the whole clone thing though the limit should stay where it is or else you will run into the samme problem again in another year or so (20 mill is the cap atm if i remember correct) what needs to be put ingame is a selective skill for your clone so you basicly program the clone with the skills that you want to retain mind you BS lvl 5 would requirer the cruiser skill and frigate and spaceship skill (to the correct lvls) that way peoble can select what skills they are willing to lose if they are podded (once they reach the 20 mill SP) like the fighter giving up trading (wich is a basic starting skill on new charectors) or maybe even mining Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
SavX	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:35:00 - [41] Exactly, you are right. The thing that keeps most players playing EVE is the fact that there is still something to gain, still something to achieve. In a lot of MMORPGs I have played, you get to a point where the only way forward, is to start over. Or if you can go forward, the stages are so steep there is no point. Making you want more is what will stop the bordom ;)
SavX	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:35:00 - [42] Exactly, you are right. The thing that keeps most players playing EVE is the fact that there is still something to gain, still something to achieve. In a lot of MMORPGs I have played, you get to a point where the only way forward, is to start over. Or if you can go forward, the stages are so steep there is no point. Making you want more is what will stop the bordom ;)
Eeyore	Posted - 2004.08.19 04:13:00 - [43] Edited by: Eeyore on 19/08/2004 04:15:32 For all ppl who told me what IÆm "whining" - STFU! :) For the rest.. It wasn't a complaint.... I didn't ask to change anything... I was just really P*ed :) :( It just seems unfair but I can deal /w that. The thing bothers me the most is, as a power gamer you only get advantage in knowledge (witch at some point becomes irrelevant, cause of not enough new information coming into the game and if it does it's a minor changes to the info you already know) and items/isk (witch are very helpful). Why IÆm not getting SMALL increase in my gunnery when I use my guns... Why I'm not getting little bit of skill poits when I'm reseaching/buildin/mining/shooting/FLYING/using modules ..... I think** it could be balanced. PS: I will state it ONE more time, IÆm not complaining, I don't ask to change anything ... I just want to hear what other thing about these things. ------------- Gloomy Domesticated Ass
Eeyore	Posted - 2004.08.19 04:13:00 - [44] Edited by: Eeyore on 19/08/2004 04:15:32 For all ppl who told me what IÆm "whining" - STFU! :) For the rest.. It wasn't a complaint.... I didn't ask to change anything... I was just really P*ed :) :( It just seems unfair but I can deal /w that. The thing bothers me the most is, as a power gamer you only get advantage in knowledge (witch at some point becomes irrelevant, cause of not enough new information coming into the game and if it does it's a minor changes to the info you already know) and items/isk (witch are very helpful). Why IÆm not getting SMALL increase in my gunnery when I use my guns... Why I'm not getting little bit of skill poits when I'm reseaching/buildin/mining/shooting/FLYING/using modules ..... I think** it could be balanced. PS: I will state it ONE more time, IÆm not complaining, I don't ask to change anything ... I just want to hear what other thing about these things. ------------- Gloomy Domesticated Ass
ShyLion	Posted - 2004.08.19 04:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really **ed TWO tech1 guns is always BETTER than ONE tech2 Get a friend!
ShyLion	Posted - 2004.08.19 04:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really **ed TWO tech1 guns is always BETTER than ONE tech2 Get a friend!
Aitrus	Posted - 2004.08.19 05:00:00 - [47] Edited by: Aitrus on 19/08/2004 05:03:51 Originally by: Plasmatique Back in my day... We didnt have implants, agent missions, any npc's with bounties over 85k or miner2's. Took me over a week in a bantam to mine enough to buy a Merlin, which was bought from NPC's at NPC prices cause no players were building them yet. We had pirates trying to gank us at the gates in every 0.4 and lower system because the sentries wouldnt shoot them. Damn kids got it too easy now, when I was your age, I had to fly 10 jumps uphill in a blinding snowstorm with no shoes to buy skills....NO SHOES! We didnt even have clones back then neither, so if you got podded you were f'd. NO SHOES I tell ya! You missed some: Rats were not over 50k bounty, and those were in the far reaches of 0.0 space. Getting stuck on a station/rock/etc meant you had to log out for 15 minutes to clear the warp. Trit did NOT sell for more than 1isk. We didn't have "cents". There were no highway systems. If you wanted to go from yulai to pator, you had to take the long way. Moa's were the "uber" combat ships that everyone swapped loadout secrets for. Seeing a battleship in space was something to brag about in corp chat. The range scanner took 10 minutes to scan at max range, during which time NOTHING on your screen updated. (Whered those battleships come from? pop) No Miner II's. (Needed to be said again) We were lucky to get over 5k cargo in a Bestower. Frigates were good for one thing in combat: Blowing up. ---- Anyone else got some good "back in my day" rants?
Aitrus	Posted - 2004.08.19 05:00:00 - [48] Edited by: Aitrus on 19/08/2004 05:03:51 Originally by: Plasmatique Back in my day... We didnt have implants, agent missions, any npc's with bounties over 85k or miner2's. Took me over a week in a bantam to mine enough to buy a Merlin, which was bought from NPC's at NPC prices cause no players were building them yet. We had pirates trying to gank us at the gates in every 0.4 and lower system because the sentries wouldnt shoot them. Damn kids got it too easy now, when I was your age, I had to fly 10 jumps uphill in a blinding snowstorm with no shoes to buy skills....NO SHOES! We didnt even have clones back then neither, so if you got podded you were f'd. NO SHOES I tell ya! You missed some: Rats were not over 50k bounty, and those were in the far reaches of 0.0 space. Getting stuck on a station/rock/etc meant you had to log out for 15 minutes to clear the warp. Trit did NOT sell for more than 1isk. We didn't have "cents". There were no highway systems. If you wanted to go from yulai to pator, you had to take the long way. Moa's were the "uber" combat ships that everyone swapped loadout secrets for. Seeing a battleship in space was something to brag about in corp chat. The range scanner took 10 minutes to scan at max range, during which time NOTHING on your screen updated. (Whered those battleships come from? pop) No Miner II's. (Needed to be said again) We were lucky to get over 5k cargo in a Bestower. Frigates were good for one thing in combat: Blowing up. ---- Anyone else got some good "back in my day" rants?
Eeyore	Posted - 2004.08.19 06:52:00 - [49] Originally by: Aitrus ... Frigates were good for one thing in combat: Blowing up. ... I will go to sleep in a good mood. ------------- Gloomy Domesticated Ass
Eeyore	Posted - 2004.08.19 06:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Aitrus ... Frigates were good for one thing in combat: Blowing up. ... I will go to sleep in a good mood. ------------- Gloomy Domesticated Ass
mafish	Posted - 2004.08.19 09:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Eeyore but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? umm but havent the year old vets had to train for the exact same amount of time not as if they get special treatment just means they have been playing longer and i bet there are alot of year old player who are just as far off using them as a month old one
mafish	Posted - 2004.08.19 09:35:00 - [52] Originally by: Eeyore but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? umm but havent the year old vets had to train for the exact same amount of time not as if they get special treatment just means they have been playing longer and i bet there are alot of year old player who are just as far off using them as a month old one
Myko	Posted - 2004.08.19 10:25:00 - [53] hmm, best 'back in my day' for me is logging on on day 1 and mining omber in Hulm (1.0)
Myko	Posted - 2004.08.19 10:25:00 - [54] hmm, best 'back in my day' for me is logging on on day 1 and mining omber in Hulm (1.0)
Vert Ygo	Posted - 2004.08.19 10:26:00 - [55] Originally by: Origim "Few months" if beyond that 14 day trial. Many new people who will be trying a 14 day trial will be stuck to mining, which is boring, and in turn will be turned off by it. Utter rubbish. Its a question of carefully tuning your character on startup. Of course New players won't understand that, but, if you read the info thats there, you can nudge your character in a general direction from the get go. This character was a little diappointing in the short term, because he's a researcher. Everything about his creation went into sciences. He has skills that aren't even in use in the game yet. Research slots are are as rare as can be imagined, But, One of my other alts is a combat guy. After two weeks of existing, hes completely lunatic, its been great fun. And becuase of carefully selecting his skill trees and attributes, hes quite possibly capable of being a tough pill to swallow for anyone in a frigate. regardless of how long they've played. "Proud inventor of the Pan dimensional Homing Device"
Vert Ygo	Posted - 2004.08.19 10:26:00 - [56] Originally by: Origim "Few months" if beyond that 14 day trial. Many new people who will be trying a 14 day trial will be stuck to mining, which is boring, and in turn will be turned off by it. Utter rubbish. Its a question of carefully tuning your character on startup. Of course New players won't understand that, but, if you read the info thats there, you can nudge your character in a general direction from the get go. This character was a little diappointing in the short term, because he's a researcher. Everything about his creation went into sciences. He has skills that aren't even in use in the game yet. Research slots are are as rare as can be imagined, But, One of my other alts is a combat guy. After two weeks of existing, hes completely lunatic, its been great fun. And becuase of carefully selecting his skill trees and attributes, hes quite possibly capable of being a tough pill to swallow for anyone in a frigate. regardless of how long they've played. "Proud inventor of the Pan dimensional Homing Device"
Sofitia Mourtos	Posted - 2004.08.19 10:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Bhaal I played for about 8 months with my WhiteDwarf character before creating this one... So thats why WhiteDwarf never logs on anymore :-) if your the one I knew back then we must get together... ---------------------------------------- Buying Co-processor II bpo
Sofitia Mourtos	Posted - 2004.08.19 10:30:00 - [58] Originally by: Bhaal I played for about 8 months with my WhiteDwarf character before creating this one... So thats why WhiteDwarf never logs on anymore :-) if your the one I knew back then we must get together... ---------------------------------------- Buying Co-processor II bpo
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.19 11:15:00 - [59] Originally by: Sofitia Mourtos Originally by: Bhaal I played for about 8 months with my WhiteDwarf character before creating this one... So thats why WhiteDwarf never logs on anymore :-) if your the one I knew back then we must get together... Uhmmm.... I don't remember you... WhiteDwarf still logs on, he's just not "ME" anymore, hehe... Uhmmm... What do you want to "get together" for, to pod me? Sorry, have to ask, lol... If "back then" is WhiteDwarf from beta and from launch up until Feb 2004, then yes, that's me :) ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.19 11:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Sofitia Mourtos Originally by: Bhaal I played for about 8 months with my WhiteDwarf character before creating this one... So thats why WhiteDwarf never logs on anymore :-) if your the one I knew back then we must get together... Uhmmm.... I don't remember you... WhiteDwarf still logs on, he's just not "ME" anymore, hehe... Uhmmm... What do you want to "get together" for, to pod me? Sorry, have to ask, lol... If "back then" is WhiteDwarf from beta and from launch up until Feb 2004, then yes, that's me :) ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Xtro 2	Posted - 2004.08.19 11:33:00 - [61] Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really *ed What exactly makes newer playes so special over long time players, the long timers started exactly the same way and with less options available to them, and progressed slower than is possible now? why should they catch up or be able to outdo a much senior player? Basically they shouldnt, they have to work for it, until their an old fart and their better than the newer players. __________________________________________ Hell is nothing more than an office with fluorecent lights.*
Xtro 2	Posted - 2004.08.19 11:33:00 - [62] Originally by: Eeyore old ppl already have an advantage ....... by having "large NAME guns" lvl 5 (fine! they erned it) but the little guys ....... well they need to do a "year" of skilling to get to T2 guns ...... WTF is that ?? you want the little guys to play for a trial period - mine veld - realise that there is NO WAY they can do anything in that game (exept mine FCKing roids) and live? PS just really *ed What exactly makes newer playes so special over long time players, the long timers started exactly the same way and with less options available to them, and progressed slower than is possible now? why should they catch up or be able to outdo a much senior player? Basically they shouldnt, they have to work for it, until their an old fart and their better than the newer players. __________________________________________ Hell is nothing more than an office with fluorecent lights.*

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