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Trinity Six Hedion University Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.04.29 18:29:00 - [1] - Quote This thread is to discuss the nerf to lowsec incursions only. Please keep hisec incursion discussion in another thread. As you are all aware, CCP has nerfed incursions. While generally seen as a required nerf by everybody - incursioners included- it is also the general consensus that the nerf has gone too far. In lowsec, many things need to occur before an incursion can be taken on. - many many carrier jumps are required to get pilot ships to the incursion location. Usually 10 or so trips/carrier pilots are required. Some people fly their ships from one incursion to the next, but this is unneccess risk and sometimes results in a lost ship. - due to the carrier shipping Requirment, many cyno alts need to be organized to jump these carriers to the destination. This takes massive amounts of pre-planning and coordination among the pilots involvled. - also due to the carrier shipping requirement, contracts need to be issued, logged, and tracked. This is a hugely complex task when 70+ pilots are involved, and requires massive amounts of coordination among contract issuers, contract loggers, and contract receivers. - Once all the ships are at the location, contracts are again re issued back to the individual pilots. This also takes a large amount of coordination to ensure everyone receives the correct ship and gear. This isn't as easy as one would normally think as courier contracts are not used, and packaged ships cannot be shipped usually. - now that everyone has their ships and gear, a POS usually needs to be setup for safety. This also needs to be hauled from one incursion to the next, requiring additional resources (usually a rorqual or JF) - time is taken to set up the POS - from the time an incursion spawns to the time things are redy usually takes anywhere from 4 to 8 hours. Pilots are assigned squads, and things get going if here are enough people. Unfortunately a lot of the times, there isn't enough people to fill a squad. This requires pilots to sit actively in the game, essentially doing nothing until enough people show up in the proper ship types to take on the incursion. Once there are enough people, the incursion can be taken on. Unfortunately, this is lowsec, and roaming gangs sometimes come through looking for a fight. This either means we head to the safety of the POS if it I deemed they are actively hunting us, or we re-ship at the POS and fight them off. Again, more time wasted. This has sometimes taken several hours. As you can see, lowsec incursions are a different beast entirely when compared to their hisec distant cousin (twice removed) where running an incursion used to be: - Fly to system - Wait in queue (usually not tho) - Make isk forever without fear of roaming gangs Obviously, lowsec incursions need to be dealt with on a different level. The mass-nerf currently in place has made incursions in lowsec completely unviable as an income source. Unfortunately, despite the great cooperative gameplay and social aspect it provided, nobody is running them anymore. People are instead doing solo level 4s or going to wormholes. This leaves a great aspect of EvE completely barren, which I hope this post provides enough incentive for CCP to take another look at lowsec incursions. That, or give us our own personal incursion teleporter and invincibility while doing them. Please keep unconstrctive comments to yourself. It only makes you look illiterate. Thanks for listening.
drdxie Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2012.04.29 20:09:00 - [2] - Quote Sooo low bears wine about how easy HS carebears have it, but you want you precious low sec to be made safe and easy so you can run incursions???? should have just been smart like the HS carebears and made isk there when you had the chance. Let me tell you, it is not easy to have to jump a BS and an orca 30-40 jumps to the next incursion, NO carriers to cycno around in HS, times are tough in HS. Then you have to worry about being ganked the whole time, Concord doesn't come till after you get ganked you know. Finding reliable logi isn't as easy as you think, lots of "fake" logi out there in it for your tears, you pals I am sure. I can see what you after.. low sec to be the new high sec.. If you can't survive in the wilderness.. come to HS, were we are always welcoming and friendly. Sadly this was not constructive.. but I had a good giggle...
Trinity Six Hedion University Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.04.29 20:16:00 - [3] - Quote No that wasn't constructive at all. In fact, I feel stupider for having read it. At no point did I mention anything about making lowsec 'safer'. I suggest you read it again.
Reppyk The Black Shell 117	Posted - 2012.04.29 20:30:00 - [4] - Quote Trinity Six wrote: Some people fly their ships from one incursion to the next, but this is unneccess risk and sometimes results in a lost ship. Ahaha oh wow ahahaha 3/10.
Trinity Six Hedion University Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.04.29 20:35:00 - [5] - Quote Reppyk wrote: Trinity Six wrote: Some people fly their ships from one incursion to the next, but this is unneccess risk and sometimes results in a lost ship. Ahaha oh wow ahahaha 3/10. Wut? This is lowsec we are talking about, remember. Lowsec in a 1bil+ isk ship. When is the last time u took your expensive ship into lowsec? I will give u the benefit of the doubt, and offer you a chance to explain your statement. Also posts like yours... See the 'illiterate' comment in th OP.
Lady Aja 46	Posted - 2012.04.29 20:51:00 - [6] - Quote what the hell is it with ******** npc corp alts posting stupid threads. nerf posters in npc corps.
drdxie Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.04.29 21:14:00 - [7] - Quote Lady Aja wrote: what the hell is it with ******** npc corp alts posting stupid threads. nerf posters in npc corps. Yea.. I second this +1
Trinity Six Hedion University Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.04.29 21:30:00 - [8] - Quote drdxie wrote: Lady Aja wrote: what the hell is it with ******** npc corp alts posting stupid threads. nerf posters in npc corps. Yea.. I second this +1 Yes because that is what is important here. For the purposes of witch hunting of course. What does it matter who I am other than a former lowsec incursion runner? Stop sidetracking my thread please. Devs please delete posts that are unrelated. Thanks.
Kodavor Mine3 8	Posted - 2012.04.29 21:49:00 - [9] - Quote I see no difference between this ( low sec ) post and any other Incursion post . You said it is a logistical nightmare ? How many people actualy do the transportation and how many simply make the contracts ? Exactly the same is done in Empire . Those who run the chanels and comunities have to transport all the lyavite + PoS ( in case there are no stations in the solar system ) + Spare basis + OGB's + spare modules + ammo of all sorts + long range and short range guns . Do you think that all of it just gets there on its own ? Omg it's lowsec Ima badass kuz me b jumpin' teh gates in ma bill mac ? In lowsec / Null you shoot what you see if you do not like it . In Empire you have to take in the face everything that the gank fleet throws at you and pop or be lucky and live another day . Only then , after you have been shoot at , you can return fire . ... if you have a ship to fire with . Empire is the most dangerous place . It provides the dull pilot with the illusion of safety and then kills him
CyberRaver Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 3	Posted - 2012.04.29 21:51:00 - [10] - Quote Have to agree really, the nerfs to them were a little too far, you coulda just lowered the payouts by 5 million and it woulda been fine But hey ho, it was fun having a use for a legion for a short time
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 93	Posted - 2012.04.29 23:34:00 - [11] - Quote Trinity Six wrote: This thread is to discuss the nerf to lowsec incursions only. Please keep hisec incursion discussion in another thread. AND THEN THIS----------> As you can see, lowsec incursions are a different beast entirely when compared to their hisec distant cousin (twice removed) where running an incursion used to be: - Fly to system - Wait in queue (usually not tho) - Make isk forever without fear of roaming gangs Come on, get real..............
Trinity Six Hedion University Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2012.04.30 00:39:00 - [12] - Quote Flurk Hellbron wrote: Trinity Six wrote: This thread is to discuss the nerf to lowsec incursions only. Please keep hisec incursion discussion in another thread. AND THEN THIS----------> As you can see, lowsec incursions are a different beast entirely when compared to their hisec distant cousin (twice removed) where running an incursion used to be: - Fly to system - Wait in queue (usually not tho) - Make isk forever without fear of roaming gangs Come on, get real.............. The point of this thread is to discuss lowsec incursions and how they should be handled differently than hisec. It is not a thread to discuss how changes to hisec incursions have affected players who do them. Apologies if it wasn't as black and white as you wanted it to be, but I thought that was pretty clear. I guess I forgot I was dealing with the general public who as a whole seem to include people like you whom cannot seem to figure things out on their own.
Kodavor Mine3 9	Posted - 2012.04.30 01:52:00 - [13] - Quote Kodavor wrote: I see no difference between this ( low sec ) post and any other Incursion post . You said it is a logistical nightmare ? How many people actualy do the transportation and how many simply make the contracts ? Exactly the same is done in Empire . Those who run the chanels and comunities have to transport all the lyavite + PoS ( in case there are no stations in the solar system ) + Spare basis + OGB's + spare modules + ammo of all sorts + long range and short range guns . Do you think that all of it just gets there on its own ? Omg it's lowsec Ima badass kuz me b jumpin' teh gates in ma bill mac ? In lowsec / Null you shoot what you see if you do not like it . In Empire you have to take in the face . Everything that the gank fleet throws at you and pop or be lucky and live another day . Only then , after you have been shoot at , you can return fire . ... if you have a ship to fire with . Empire is the most dangerous place . It provides the dull pilot with the illusion of safety and then kills him I am sorry but you are not special :/
Zelota hbc inc. 1	Posted - 2012.04.30 11:24:00 - [14] - Quote It is funny to see how the people oposing the incursions have named every one that runs incursions "incursion bears" And people that are running wormholes are all up in arms about this. Prices for your goody's to produce t3 stuff went up. Prices for Complex mods has sky rocketed. And now when people give up incursions sell there nice ships and there nice mods the market is just going to crash. 2 months from now ship prices for pvp ships is going to go up cause of mineral prices. We are going to have more bot miners mining the low ends. This will come down on every one. Who is going to need t3 legions? No one. Who is going to need tengu's ? only a selected fiew who pvp and do complexes/wormholes with them. You guys are ******* your selfs over here. Gratz
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 167	Posted - 2012.04.30 11:32:00 - [15] - Quote Zelota wrote: It is funny to see how the people oposing the incursions have named every one that runs incursions "incursion bears" And people that are running wormholes are all up in arms about this. Prices for your goody's to produce t3 stuff went up. Prices for Complex mods has sky rocketed. And now when people give up incursions sell there nice ships and there nice mods the market is just going to crash. 2 months from now ship prices for pvp ships is going to go up cause of mineral prices. We are going to have more bot miners mining the low ends. This will come down on every one. Who is going to need t3 legions? No one. Who is going to need tengu's ? only a selected fiew who pvp and do complexes/wormholes with them. You guys are ******* your selfs over here. Gratz WTF has CCP done to W-space with Inferno or Escalation? is Wormhole wendy giving Hilmar handies to ignore W-Space for the Escalation & Inferno patches? CCP's daft hand breaks everything they touch IMHO To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
Zelota hbc inc. 1	Posted - 2012.04.30 11:53:00 - [16] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Zelota wrote: It is funny to see how the people oposing the incursions have named every one that runs incursions "incursion bears" And people that are running wormholes are all up in arms about this. Prices for your goody's to produce t3 stuff went up. Prices for Complex mods has sky rocketed. And now when people give up incursions sell there nice ships and there nice mods the market is just going to crash. 2 months from now ship prices for pvp ships is going to go up cause of mineral prices. We are going to have more bot miners mining the low ends. This will come down on every one. Who is going to need t3 legions? No one. Who is going to need tengu's ? only a selected fiew who pvp and do complexes/wormholes with them. You guys are ******* your selfs over here. Gratz WTF has CCP done to W-space with Inferno or Escalation? is Wormhole wendy giving Hilmar handies to ignore W-Space for the Escalation & Inferno patches? CCP's daft hand breaks everything they touch IMHO Wormhole space is for t3/booster production and mining. I was in a wormhole for 5 days and it was counter productive. We found it more profitable to scan down wormholes that where not being used by any one and doing those. Made about 4 Billion isk a day doing that but with most of 0.0 space under alliance control its not easy to do that any more. The jump bridges are one of the things you do not want to have around when you are flying with 4 paladins and 3 gurdians 1 loki 1 proteus. It puts a huge target on your face. Doing this with carriers now a days is realy risky and even if you flew to the locations you jumped to. These alliance guys will find the cyno jump you did on the map. Inspect it. Find your worm hole and blob the entrence up. Living in wormhole space takes aloot of time. And im one of those players that does have a family that i need to take care of and i cant just jump into that when ever i have free time. Incurtions did that for me. They dont do it any more. So i might have to close down my account and go find some other game that i dont need to spend 12 hours a day seting up jumps and/or suplying a pos.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 74	Posted - 2012.04.30 12:05:00 - [17] - Quote drdxie wrote: Lady Aja wrote: what the hell is it with ******** npc corp alts posting stupid threads. nerf posters in npc corps. Yea.. I second this +1 op nerf plox
AstarothPrime Eternal Profiteers Persona Non Gratis 22	Posted - 2012.04.30 14:41:00 - [18] - Quote The fleet you are talking about is quite impressive and id say we would need to call for major CTA to go and engage it... If that what you say is half true, my question is: why do you fear 2-3 roaming lowsec gangs anyways? Just dont fly anything ubershiny and problem solved.... you can have cannonball runs from 1 incursion to another. I seriously doubt any roaming gang would be sane enough to engage 20ish 1000 dps battleships with 100k EHP, 10 T3s and 4-5 spidering logi with 40k EHP to support them... I.
Apolyon I AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 22	Posted - 2012.04.30 14:55:00 - [19] - Quote Zelota wrote: It is funny to see how the people oposing the incursions have named every one that runs incursions "incursion bears" And people that are running wormholes are all up in arms about this. Prices for your goody's to produce t3 stuff went up. Prices for Complex mods has sky rocketed. And now when people give up incursions sell there nice ships and there nice mods the market is just going to crash. 2 months from now ship prices for pvp ships is going to go up cause of mineral prices. We are going to have more bot miners mining the low ends. This will come down on every one. Who is going to need t3 legions? No one. Who is going to need tengu's ? only a selected fiew who pvp and do complexes/wormholes with them. You guys are ******* your selfs over here. Gratz last I remember, those nullbears are the one that pvp in tengu and actually lose them, see the keyword "lose". anyway, you're talking as if incursion runners are the only consumers in the whole new eden. As I remember I spend 5b the last month to buy bhaal, scanning proteus and assorted faction mods just to pvp, not to pimp my won't-ever-lose bearing boats EDIT: wh space dont have booster product, please get a clue eventually, you're just a big fat bears afraid of losing ships and can't stand danger of anywhere but HS
Trinity Six Hedion University Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2012.04.30 15:25:00 - [20] - Quote AstarothPrime wrote: The fleet you are talking about is quite impressive and id say we would need to call for major CTA to go and engage it... If that what you say is half true, my question is: why do you fear 2-3 roaming lowsec gangs anyways? Just dont fly anything ubershiny and problem solved.... you can have cannonball runs from 1 incursion to another. I seriously doubt any roaming gang would be sane enough to engage 20ish 1000 dps battleships with 100k EHP, 10 T3s and 4-5 spidering logi with 40k EHP to support them... I. Wow an actual post related to the original topic! Thank you. I wouldn't say we're are ++ber shiny, although a select few choose to bling out their fits. We do have to deal with roaming gangs if they are in ships that pose enough of a threat though. Keep in mind that sometimes there are only 10 of us running a site. We also have a very specific makeup of ships (a doctrine if you will) that is only fit for the incursion. I won't go into specific ship types due to it being somewhat Opsec, but we are not fit to automatically deal with roamers. We need to re ship or refit at the POS before we can take on something that poses a threat first. And yes, people have tried to **** with us before... It's not a rare occurrence. Cannonball runs - we tend not to do this as not everyone is online at the same time and we don't like to leave our mates stranded ;)

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