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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.08.19 09:43:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Ripp Tyde
When u jettison a can and u show info on it, it show your name. thus showing it is "owned" by an individual. Also you must even jettison a secure container. DUH!
I swear some of you peoples logic is just messed up.
If you show info on a jetty can it shows who jettisoned it......... not who owns it.......abandoned drones are owned till they are disabled and cannot be scooped................ore cans however can be emptied
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.08.19 09:43:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ripp Tyde
When u jettison a can and u show info on it, it show your name. thus showing it is "owned" by an individual. Also you must even jettison a secure container. DUH!
I swear some of you peoples logic is just messed up.
If you show info on a jetty can it shows who jettisoned it......... not who owns it.......abandoned drones are owned till they are disabled and cannot be scooped................ore cans however can be emptied
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:38:00 -
[63]
Originally by: MooKids
I swear that you want to be banned.
Besides, the jet can miners exploited first by using a jet can for something other than it's intended use, therefore an exploit by CCP's standards. Ore liberators are just punishing the exploiters.
There there Mookie. Don't feel bad. You know I can't be banned. You, on the other hand, seem to be quite good at it. But please, keep writing. It's very entertaining. 
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids
I swear that you want to be banned.
Besides, the jet can miners exploited first by using a jet can for something other than it's intended use, therefore an exploit by CCP's standards. Ore liberators are just punishing the exploiters.
There there Mookie. Don't feel bad. You know I can't be banned. You, on the other hand, seem to be quite good at it. But please, keep writing. It's very entertaining.
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Kinky
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Posted - 2004.08.19 16:10:00 -
[65]
How bout we all find where attrael lives and beat him round the head with a copy of Eve in his home and see whether he agrees then? :p
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Kinky
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Posted - 2004.08.19 16:10:00 -
[66]
How bout we all find where attrael lives and beat him round the head with a copy of Eve in his home and see whether he agrees then? :p
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:49:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Kinky
How bout we all find where attrael lives and beat him round the head with a copy of Eve in his home and see whether he agrees then? :p
Hey there! Keep those 'kinky' fantasies to yourself! 
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:49:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Kinky
How bout we all find where attrael lives and beat him round the head with a copy of Eve in his home and see whether he agrees then? :p
Hey there! Keep those 'kinky' fantasies to yourself!
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Danks
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:37:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Kinky
How bout we all find where attrael lives and beat him round the head with a copy of Eve in his home and see whether he agrees then? :p
Nah, we don't want to stoop to this guy's level. It's more fun to laugh at the idiocy 
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Danks
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:37:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Kinky
How bout we all find where attrael lives and beat him round the head with a copy of Eve in his home and see whether he agrees then? :p
Nah, we don't want to stoop to this guy's level. It's more fun to laugh at the idiocy
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:29:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Taggz
Edited by: Taggz on 18/08/2004 12:17:01
I believe the following quote can be found in the support link to the left if you search for 'ore theif'
Originally by: Support section
"The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it."
Mining with a normal jetisoned can is not intended. Simple as that. Use secure containers or your cargo hold. Otherwise your simply taking a risk and have no grounds to whine about theifs.
Edit: Grammar
you failed. try again...
don't be such a fool. no one needs your permission to whine, complain, express themselves, be social, moan, criticize, discuss, debate, or anything else they choose to do with their time...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
flummox
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:29:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Taggz
Edited by: Taggz on 18/08/2004 12:17:01
I believe the following quote can be found in the support link to the left if you search for 'ore theif'
Originally by: Support section
"The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it."
Mining with a normal jetisoned can is not intended. Simple as that. Use secure containers or your cargo hold. Otherwise your simply taking a risk and have no grounds to whine about theifs.
Edit: Grammar
you failed. try again...
don't be such a fool. no one needs your permission to whine, complain, express themselves, be social, moan, criticize, discuss, debate, or anything else they choose to do with their time...
there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on... |
Glarion Garnier
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:04:00 -
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Ore thives this ore thieves that. Who cares. They haven't ever bothered me. And would that be cause I use secure one's  When I bother to mine
G.G
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Glarion Garnier
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:04:00 -
[74]
Ore thives this ore thieves that. Who cares. They haven't ever bothered me. And would that be cause I use secure one's When I bother to mine
G.G
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Mujahid Mukhtaar
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:28:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Taggz
Originally by: Support section
"The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it."
I just wanted to highlight something everyone seems to be missing.
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Mujahid Mukhtaar
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:28:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Taggz
Originally by: Support section
"The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it."
I just wanted to highlight something everyone seems to be missing.
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Kinky
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:10:00 -
[77]
Its a game :P there is no 'right and wrong'
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Kinky
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:10:00 -
[78]
Its a game :P there is no 'right and wrong'
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Vargrh
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Posted - 2004.08.20 19:45:00 -
[79]
Rights and wrongs in eve :P
People that steal from corps because they fall out with the other players in the corp in real life, are the only ones that are out of line.
Joining a corp with the specific intent to infiltrate it to get access to steal from it, is legitimate play, as all corps should take precautions to prevent it, so deviousness that pays off is good IMHO.
Ore thieving is fun, productive and results in healthy declarations of war when utilised as a war provoking method by bigger corps. People that steal ore with alts that are in NPC corporations are smart, not evil and good luck to them. The whole point of eve is that its open in respect to character development. If you dont like ore theives, theres plenty of ways to avoid their tactics if you use your intelligence. Without a criminal class, eve would be boring.
Ganking is again an element that adds to the games openess. If there wasnt any threat to moving your stuff through 0.0 or being targetting in areas with low or no concord /faction police response, then the game would have all been 1.0.
I appreciate that some of your whinging carebears would like to be able to mine crokite or spod in 1.0 in a fully mining equipped apoc with countless drones, but thats not the way the world works :P Live with it, and either boringly mine veld all your in game life, or become adventurous and join a pirate or anti pirate corp or mine with adequate mining security.
And by the way, you can always BUY mining passes to mine in pirate space... the best people to contact in respect of this are any players in the 'tookurstuff' chan who will sell you a lovely 'all regions gank free guarantee mining pass' for 10million isk each :P
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Vargrh
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Posted - 2004.08.20 19:45:00 -
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Rights and wrongs in eve :P
People that steal from corps because they fall out with the other players in the corp in real life, are the only ones that are out of line.
Joining a corp with the specific intent to infiltrate it to get access to steal from it, is legitimate play, as all corps should take precautions to prevent it, so deviousness that pays off is good IMHO.
Ore thieving is fun, productive and results in healthy declarations of war when utilised as a war provoking method by bigger corps. People that steal ore with alts that are in NPC corporations are smart, not evil and good luck to them. The whole point of eve is that its open in respect to character development. If you dont like ore theives, theres plenty of ways to avoid their tactics if you use your intelligence. Without a criminal class, eve would be boring.
Ganking is again an element that adds to the games openess. If there wasnt any threat to moving your stuff through 0.0 or being targetting in areas with low or no concord /faction police response, then the game would have all been 1.0.
I appreciate that some of your whinging carebears would like to be able to mine crokite or spod in 1.0 in a fully mining equipped apoc with countless drones, but thats not the way the world works :P Live with it, and either boringly mine veld all your in game life, or become adventurous and join a pirate or anti pirate corp or mine with adequate mining security.
And by the way, you can always BUY mining passes to mine in pirate space... the best people to contact in respect of this are any players in the 'tookurstuff' chan who will sell you a lovely 'all regions gank free guarantee mining pass' for 10million isk each :P
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2004.08.20 21:22:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Pseth
They exploit for the reasons given. Alt characters, law-abiding players can't retaliate, they transfer funds to main character. etc, etc.
As for 'exploiting' jet cans. At least everyone has the ability to do it so no one player gets an advantage nor does it actually hurt anyone else. You give miners secure cans as big or bigger than jet cans and they'll start to use them. Like I said, jet cans help keep the mineral prices lower for obvious reasons, this benefits all.
CCP *thought* in their infinfite wisdom they were helping unskilled/new players by nerfing anchoring when they in fact did the opposite. Most mega-corps will be mining straight into haulers on corp mining sessions so they aren't at a great risk. Plus, with larger ships they can quickly recoup their losses if some scum ore thief nicks 10 minutes worth of ore. On the other hand the new guy who can't afford secure cans nor can he use them, even if he could afford them, without going into more dangerous territory. For that he needs to go into npc territory so could do with some drone skills or lose miner turrets in place of weapons which usually requires even more skills to train, we've all been there.
Again, more experienced players don't bat an eyelid when mining in 0.5->0.8 space and why use secure cans anyway there when most of the ore thieves are in 1.0 and 0.9 stealing from the new guys cans. Plus, who do you think it hurts more? The veteran miner who can replenish his stolen ore with his apoc in 10 minutes or the new guy who has just had about an hour of frigate mining ruined?
Please explain again how CCP helped the unexperienced players. I know if I was expected to mine in my first two weeks going back and forth from a local station everytime my hold filled CCP wouldn't have had the pleasure of a subscription fee. Regardless, CCP will realise their mistake and many others as the player count starts to slowly decrease and even the mighty shiva won't stop that.
nicely done
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2004.08.20 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Pseth
They exploit for the reasons given. Alt characters, law-abiding players can't retaliate, they transfer funds to main character. etc, etc.
As for 'exploiting' jet cans. At least everyone has the ability to do it so no one player gets an advantage nor does it actually hurt anyone else. You give miners secure cans as big or bigger than jet cans and they'll start to use them. Like I said, jet cans help keep the mineral prices lower for obvious reasons, this benefits all.
CCP *thought* in their infinfite wisdom they were helping unskilled/new players by nerfing anchoring when they in fact did the opposite. Most mega-corps will be mining straight into haulers on corp mining sessions so they aren't at a great risk. Plus, with larger ships they can quickly recoup their losses if some scum ore thief nicks 10 minutes worth of ore. On the other hand the new guy who can't afford secure cans nor can he use them, even if he could afford them, without going into more dangerous territory. For that he needs to go into npc territory so could do with some drone skills or lose miner turrets in place of weapons which usually requires even more skills to train, we've all been there.
Again, more experienced players don't bat an eyelid when mining in 0.5->0.8 space and why use secure cans anyway there when most of the ore thieves are in 1.0 and 0.9 stealing from the new guys cans. Plus, who do you think it hurts more? The veteran miner who can replenish his stolen ore with his apoc in 10 minutes or the new guy who has just had about an hour of frigate mining ruined?
Please explain again how CCP helped the unexperienced players. I know if I was expected to mine in my first two weeks going back and forth from a local station everytime my hold filled CCP wouldn't have had the pleasure of a subscription fee. Regardless, CCP will realise their mistake and many others as the player count starts to slowly decrease and even the mighty shiva won't stop that.
nicely done
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Aegis Militia Conclave official representative |
Khamal Kahn
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Posted - 2004.08.21 15:50:00 -
[83]
I have no probs with Ore thieves..BUT i do have have a problem with that thers is no way to defend yourself against it. without having too deploy like 1k of secure cans. When you eject a can its marked with you corp trigger.So in my opinion it should be an agression when an outside party destroys it or begins to empty it. Just my opinion
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Khamal Kahn
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Posted - 2004.08.21 15:50:00 -
[84]
I have no probs with Ore thieves..BUT i do have have a problem with that thers is no way to defend yourself against it. without having too deploy like 1k of secure cans. When you eject a can its marked with you corp trigger.So in my opinion it should be an agression when an outside party destroys it or begins to empty it. Just my opinion
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.08.21 18:10:00 -
[85]
 There are 2 ways to defend against ore thieves.....mine in to your hold or use a ******* secure can.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.08.21 18:10:00 -
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There are 2 ways to defend against ore thieves.....mine in to your hold or use a ******* secure can.
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Jackie Zaviez
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Posted - 2004.08.21 22:05:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Jackie Zaviez on 21/08/2004 22:06:26
Originally by: Ryctor
Edited by: Ryctor on 19/08/2004 08:24:52
Originally by: Jackie Zaviez
The people who saying use Secure cans
please !!
the trouble to anchoring one is first you must get your indy out there with a secure can
after that the **** starts you cant place the secure can nearer then 5000m from the closest object then after that you cant place a secure can near the first can O you must then anchoring the next can 5000m from the other can
The people who mine now understand the problem and even the impossible to use secure cans
you the rest can stuff it.
further more you cant use secure cans in high lvl sectors due to ccp banned them ..
all other comment about I shall use secure cans is utterly bull**** and ore thiefs shall die ..
I hang around the Jel area if you would liek to come and make me "die" cupcake.
I remember that Ryctor 
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Jackie Zaviez
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Posted - 2004.08.21 22:05:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Jackie Zaviez on 21/08/2004 22:06:26
Originally by: Ryctor
Edited by: Ryctor on 19/08/2004 08:24:52
Originally by: Jackie Zaviez
The people who saying use Secure cans
please !!
the trouble to anchoring one is first you must get your indy out there with a secure can
after that the **** starts you cant place the secure can nearer then 5000m from the closest object then after that you cant place a secure can near the first can O you must then anchoring the next can 5000m from the other can
The people who mine now understand the problem and even the impossible to use secure cans
you the rest can stuff it.
further more you cant use secure cans in high lvl sectors due to ccp banned them ..
all other comment about I shall use secure cans is utterly bull**** and ore thiefs shall die ..
I hang around the Jel area if you would liek to come and make me "die" cupcake.
I remember that Ryctor
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Cissy
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Posted - 2004.08.21 23:08:00 -
[89]
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...stupido...stupido
ccp standpoint:
http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/feb01-03.asp
hope im not breaking any rules whit this link ..and latly im not shure how ccp stand cuz i get the feeling they have backed out on that standpoint
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Cissy
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Posted - 2004.08.21 23:08:00 -
[90]
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...stupido...stupido
ccp standpoint:
http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/feb01-03.asp
hope im not breaking any rules whit this link..and latly im not shure how ccp stand cuz i get the feeling they have backed out on that standpoint
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