npc corp self-esteem building thread

Ganking hi-sec players (miners, mission runners, etc) has become a sport, complete with prizes and private, alliance sponsored insurance payouts for ships lost in the process. The fact is if you're in a Hulk or any type of hauler, you are automatically a target and you have almost no way to defend yourself. There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".

Ganking hi-sec players (miners, mission runners, etc) has become a sport, complete with prizes and private, alliance sponsored insurance payouts for ships lost in the process. The fact is if you're in a Hulk or any type of hauler, you are automatically a target and you have almost no way to defend yourself. There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".

Nice try but why didn't you chose whinebears instead?

For null/lowsec? For so far i can read on this forum the most whine comes from null/lowsec players.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".

Then you obviously never click on the buff hulks threads.

That term won't be appropriate until carebears not only stop whining, but actually try to get suicide ganking buffed.

Nice try but why didn't you chose whinebears instead?

Because nullbears don't like it when we point out they keep whining about highsec.

Nice try but why didn't you chose whinebears instead?

Ganking hi-sec players (miners, mission runners, etc) has become a sport, complete with prizes and private, alliance sponsored insurance payouts for ships lost in the process. The fact is if you're in a Hulk or any type of hauler, you are automatically a target and you have almost no way to defend yourself. There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".

So I sucker punched this kid in the face when he wasn't expecting it and then I says "Quit whinin' and grow a pair!!!!"

[...] you have almost no way to defend yourself. [...]

This is not true.

Start evaluating your options and the tools this game gives everyone equally to use to manifest same, and stop being a little puling victim.

Gods, your kind is SO ******* REVOLTING!

Think, and choose, or leave our game.

And that's coming from a carebear-ish pilot (most of this toon's skills are in the research/invention, manufacturing, and Orca skill-trees, btw, and my combat "main + co-main" make their ISK mostly through missions and exploration) who reeeeeeeeaaaally has not one shred of respect for goons or anything they actually represent.

HTFU or GTFO!

So uh, are you a goon alt? Just have to address that first.

For null/lowsec? For so far i can read on this forum the most whine comes from null/lowsec players.

Not even close, lemming.

Not even freaking close.

This is not true.

Start evaluating your options and the tools this game gives everyone equally to use to manifest same, and stop being a little puling victim.

Gods, your kind is SO ******* REVOLTING!

Think, and choose, or leave our game.

And that's coming from a carebear-ish pilot (most of this toon's skills are in the research/invention, manufacturing, and Orca skill-trees, btw, and my combat "main + co-main" make their ISK mostly through missions and exploration) who reeeeeeeeaaaally has not one shred of respect for goons or anything they actually represent.

HTFU or GTFO!

It's true. Look at all the whiny nullsec carebears in this thread.

"Oh look at me, I'm in GoonSwarm, we're so hardcore cuz our alliance gives us free ships and we shitpost. Deerrrrr."

How does a single hardbear defend himself from a random NPC-corp Cataganker warping into his belt and alpha striking him?

He really can't. All he can do is just be hard and suck it up..

why would they be a "hardbears"? all they do is dying..... its not so hard :)

Well, no, we're hard core because we play the game in an environment that allows others to open fire on us without them instantly losing their ships.

You are not hard core, because you hide in high sec and pretend it's CCP's fault because low sec is an impenetrable wall of death and they haven't done enough to nerf PvP so you can get through.


He fits a tank.

1) Blob warfare does not make you "hardcore", especially when your ships are free.

2) Suicide ganking makes you a pansy because your target cannot pre-emptively strike you sans a billion ISK wardec.

3) Tanking a Hulk just means you lose that much more ISK when you get ganked. I know this, because Goonswarm, in an effort to enhance epeen and be "contrary on the forums", likes to post killmails featuring tanked Hulks every time some miner says "my tank is ungankable".

So again: Hardbears have no way to defend themselves, but they go out everyday and run their missions and mine in their Hulks. And no one is paying for their ships except themselves. That's hard. Hence, hardbears.

Kthx.

I think situational awareness is the most important thing anyone in any region of Eve can practice. Don't afk mine/mission, constantly check local and aligning to a station or gate should someone unfriendly warp into your vicinity are things that are so elementary that it's almost like breathing.

I don't engage in blob warfare.


"sans a billion ISK wardec"? I'm not even sure what you are trying to say there, but suicide ganking is merely the inevitable eventuality of a broken war dec system.

CCP are now fixing this apparently, and war decs may become worth while. (Decs will follow individuals around, and be applied against their new corps should they try and run).


It doesn't mean your hulk is ungankable, it means it is less likely to get ganked.


No one pays for my ships :( And out in real space we actually lose them every now and then. Miners QQ if they get killed once a month.

Try living in null sec and see how many ships you lose a month.

There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".

Screw suicide ganking, it's a lost cause and only useful for the odd indie/hulk kill. Killing anything decent with suicide ganking is both boring and, usually, unprofitable. Its a stupid mechanic that has only become such a big "issue" because high sec care bears have been successful in eliminating virtually every other form of non-consensual PvP.

Nice try but why didn't you chose whinebears instead?

And what forms of non-consensual PvP have their been? Apart from war dec's (which are being changed) The only other ways to engage in non-consensual PvP (In Empire) are to simply attack the target and accept the consciences (suicide ganking) or tricking your oppenent into inadvertently breaking the rules themselves thus allowing the other party to lawfully retaliate. Oh and you could always try to join a carebear corp and kill the members from the inside!

Now what other forms of non-consensual PvP have the care bears successfuly eliminated?

Simi Kusoni Is an idiot.

Concord was once tankable, response times have been buffed to hell (multiple times), insurance payouts removed for ships with GCC, ships have been introduced designed specifically to avoid combat (t2 transports, jump freighters, t3 cruisers), ships with gcc can no longer boomerang, swapping out ships in an orca was nerfed, sec status loss has been increased, the number of concurrent war decs was limited to three and cost designed to scale to ridiculous amounts and the decision declaring dec shields/dissolving and reforming corps etc. an exploit were reversed.

There are probably more examples, but you get the point. Not to mention the natural proliferation of JFs and the like resulting in the modern day invincible logistics chains, that is going to have to be dealt with at some point.

All these examples revolve around the current methods of non-consensual PvP. CCP has altered the workings of these after players found ways to obtaine results which CCP had not intended. The fact that 'carbears' as you like to label them brought these 'bugs' to CCP's attention does not mean CCP is trying to wrap them in cotton wool and make Hi-sec a safe and fun place to be, only to bring it into line with what thier (CCP) vision of what hi-sec should be.

As for responce times, insurance payouts ect these have been added/buffed becasue you proved to CCP that thier consequences were not adequate enough.

swapping out ships from an Orca effects the miners as much as it effects the PvP'ers. Now I can't store my Hulk in my Orca if I've been attacked by rats/players.

Ships have been introduced to make travel in low sec and 0.0 a little safer. unfortunately (for you) these ships can opperate in Hi-sec as well.

So you're no longer claiming that no changes have been made, now you're just claiming that CCP changed it because they/care bears wanted high sec/low sec/null sec to be safer?

That was kind of my original point, thank you for making it for me.

No what I was talking about was the mechanics. You stated that the carebears were shutting down forms of non-consensual PvP which is not true... they are as I listed and I am still waiting or you to list the forms of non-consensual PvP that are no longer available.

Nice try but why didn't you chose whinebears instead?

OMG GUYS, NEUTRAL IN LOCAL, EVERYONE DOCK.

There are many players in EVE that might qualify to be called Hard Bears, meaning players that can do industrial activities and not become an easy victim.

They are hard to spot though, as they never make threads like this nor participate in them.

They don't need to.

So you're no longer claiming that no changes have been made, now you're just claiming that CCP changed it because they/care bears wanted high sec/low sec/null sec to be safer?

That was kind of my original point, thank you for making it for me.

fixing exploits is bad to you?
ah, youre trolling.. kk

the insurance nerf and the CONCORD response time changes are regarded like INSANELY HUGE NERFS
yet gankers gor a whole class of ships for them (tier 3 BCs lol)

As for being able to warp under GCC, this was known about and used widely prior to miners crying about it on the forums. In fact it used to be possible to continuously warp about to evade GCC for the full 15 minutes timers, CCP chose to keep warping and declare that only evading ship destruction was an exploit, until miners cried about it.
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There was one bug in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences. So we fixed that bug about three weeks ago. And they went, okay.

Tier 3 BC without insurance = considerably more expensive than a maelstrom with insurance.

A.) a dumbass got on eve-o general, explained in detail HOW to do it and gave all the details for it (he wasnt banned)
B.) Goons started planning the Burn Jita idea withe CCP and CCP realized this may keep them from getting killed by CONCORD

hey look links...
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-27-ccp-players-attempt-to-destroy-eve-online-economy-is-f-ing-brilliant

"There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of.

"I don't like complete security, and I do like when a large group of players who live in complete security have that pulled away temporarily. It's going to be healthy."

There was one bug [the 'bookmark escaping agro bug'] in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences.

Firstly, its really funny how the gankers took the news of the insurance nerf by saying "we never need that insurance anyways"
and yeah they should totally change the game cause you cant afford the ship

Lol, rather amusing quote from CCP in that article:


As for the "bookmark escaping agro bug", that doesn't sound like the boomerang CCP, and players, have always referred to the boomerang as... well... the boomerang. Which doesn't involve bookmarks, or evade the consequences, this sounds like something else?


*The unedited CCP quote. Wonder what it was? ^^ Google search for it just shows this article, and some post on a gaming site where someone else is asking the same question.


Having to lose every single ship when you engage something, because it's the only way to engage anything effectively in high sec, makes suicide ganking an expensive hobby. Not to mention the fact that it requires enough ships of sufficient size and cost to kill your targets in an alpha strike.

How would you like it if your hulk exploded every time you mined an asteroid? Oh, you got far less ISK from that one cycle than your ship cost? Welcome to suicide ganking.

Having to lose every single ship when you engage something, because it's the only way to engage anything effectively in high sec, makes suicide ganking an expensive hobby. Not to mention the fact that it requires enough ships of sufficient size and cost to kill your targets in an alpha strike.

How would you like it if your hulk exploded every time you mined an asteroid? Oh, you got far less ISK from that one cycle than your ship cost? Welcome to suicide ganking.

the boomerang wasnt the one that let you kill multiple ships at a time thereby "evading" CONCORD until they caught up to you? Technically as I understand the reason it WAS called a exploit in the first place was cause you evade getting killed the first time. (...) What OTHER exploit was fixed about 3 weeks ago? I dont remember hearing about one that involved bookmarks do you? Im thinking the guy doing the article was either wrong or the CCP got confused (that are supposedly human and all).

and yes I editted the quote BECAUSE te bookmarks part doesnt make sense, BECAUSE there was no bookmark exploit
unless someone can provide me a link to correct me?

its supposed to be. HTFU as you gankers are do fond of saying

Its called "SUICIDE ganking" for a reason...

please find me the insurance policy that pays out when the insured commits suicide. That was kinda the reason it got removed btw, now cause miners QQed, because it was stupid.
IMO they should remove insurance entirely cause I cant believe a insurance company wold back up a policy on a vehicle driven into a war zone. (yes asteroid belts are war zones too, even in high sec). ESPECIALLY war ships.

People disagree with me, but without founded reasons, and thus try to insult me instead. This lends veracity to my idea, and thus pleases me greatly.

Thank you. I will now refer to carebears as "hardbears" and nullbears as "nullsec carebears".

carebears come in many vartieties

dumbbears are the miners. there are way more profitable things for them to be doing but they mine
nullbear. nullsec resident
fwbear. farms fw lp all day
robobear. bots

Hmm, well the thing is that the boomerang exploit didn't so much evade consequences, which has always been an exploit, as it did delay them.

its supposed to be. HTFU as you gankers are do fond of saying

Its called "SUICIDE ganking" for a reason...

please find me the insurance policy that pays out when the insured commits suicide. That was kinda the reason it got removed btw, now cause miners QQed, because it was stupid.
IMO they should remove insurance entirely cause I cant believe a insurance company wold back up a policy on a vehicle driven into a war zone. (yes asteroid belts are war zones too, even in high sec). ESPECIALLY war ships.

I'll be honest I always despise the idea of encouraging or discouraging an in game mechanic based on realism, or based on real life logic.

I would agree to insurance payout on more expensive T1 ships receiving a bit of a nerf, but to be honest on the smaller ships it needs to be there to give the newbies a security blanket. While we can afford to lose hundreds of battle cruisers a month if necessary, new players can't replace their ships so easily.

And whilst I am aware that it is called "suicide ganking" there was a time, not long ago, when suicide ganking the majority of ships was (almost) profitable.

why would they be a "hardbears"? all they do is dying..... its not so hard :)

Mining is not an un-profitable enterprise when done correctly. Infact I know quite a few players who's main ISK source is mining and they make alot of ISK (alot by my standards is in the billions)

Simi Kusoni I'll make this as easy as possible for you. Their are four methods of non-consensual combat in hi-sec.

1) War decs
2) Suicide attacks
3) trickery ( making the other peson unwittingly aggress you so you can retaliate)
4) Join thier corp (attacking corp mates does not flag you)

All four of these methods are governed by mechanics set by CCP. It is these mechanics that CCP alters to make things harder/easier more profitbale/less profitable. By changing the mechanics CCP are not reducing the number of methods of non-consensual combat in hi-sec. The Boomerang exploit was closed but suicide attacks can still occure.

I don't think you understand what is meant by forms of PvP, my earlier comment was also not limited to high sec. Hence the nullified t3s and JFs comments.

Some of the common forms of PvP:

Gate camping.
Jump Bridge camping.
Complex camping.
Hunting mission runners, either via war decs or ninja looting/baiting.
Suicide ganking miners.
War decs on null sec power blocks.
War dec griefing small indie/miner corps.
Etc.

There are more, but you get the point. All of these forms of PvP are governed and effected by different mechanics changes, some changes will effect one whilst not effecting others and some changes negatively effect them all.

To be honest, I am guessing from your combat record that you have never really engaged in much PvP, which is fair enough. I don't really kill much myself nowadays either, but please don't be so short sighted as to believe the only styles of PvP are war decs, awoxing and suicide ganking.

I'll be honest I always despise the idea of encouraging or discouraging an in game mechanic based on realism, or based on real life logic.

I would agree to insurance payout on more expensive T1 ships receiving a bit of a nerf, but to be honest on the smaller ships it needs to be there to give the newbies a security blanket. While we can afford to lose hundreds of battle cruisers a month if necessary, new players can't replace their ships so easily.

And whilst I am aware that it is called "suicide ganking" there was a time, not long ago, when suicide ganking the majority of ships was (almost) profitable. This is no longer so. Until they fix war dec mechanics that has pretty effectively killed off meaningful high sec PvP.

(Not that suicide ganking is particularly satisfying or "meaningful" PvP anyway.)

you have almost no way to defend yourself.

How you know when someone has lost an argument: they try to resort to semantics and forget what their original point was.

I'm sure that in the context of my original statement I definitely meant that care bears are killing off market PvP. I mean they just keep nerfing my ability to .01 all your orders into the ground.

If that is pointed at me, I'd like to point out that I mostly support your points. The post was simply a demonstration of the fact that they can never escape PVP, be it ships blowing up, or people stealing their stuff, or destroying their profits. Anyone playing EVE is a PVPer, and as such they need to man up and PVP.

Hang out in the ''safe'' space where you are not allowed to shoot first in order to defend yourself.
Somehow convince yourself that this makes you hardcore.

Ganking hi-sec players (miners, mission runners, etc) has become a sport, complete with prizes and private, alliance sponsored insurance payouts for ships lost in the process. The fact is if you're in a Hulk or any type of hauler, you are automatically a target and you have almost no way to defend yourself. There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".

I am a care bear. I live in syndicate.

You high sec scrubs should come up and visit some time if you think you're hard core.

Yeah, shoot em with your ratting drakes.

If you think YOU are hardcore playing any portion of any computer game then may I respectfully suggest you get a life.

You,Syndicate scrub, should try taking a subway, crossing the street, running a 5k or going 1 round in the ring if you think you are hard core.

I know "Eve is Real" for some of you but writing stuff like, "I 'live' (somewhere) in fake space therefore I am a tough guy" is just pathetic.

It's a game...whether you derive enjoyment from mining rocks or mining tears...it's just a game.

P.S. I just watched my girlfriend paint her nails. She used bright red instead of doing a French Manicure! It was sooooo hardcore! I think I may be getting an understanding of where some of you are coming from. Carry on.

Can someone explain to me how calling someone out for claiming to be hardcore when they are not is claiming to be hardcore yourself? I saw no claims of hardcore, simple pointing out that highseccers who complain about how horrible highsec is on the forums most certainly are not hardcore.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".

Maybe become a null bear and mine in space you've conquered and protect? Thats to obvious isn't it.

But - but but that means actual work! Carebears will not assist in the conquering sov part, they will only show up in droves when dead end system and refinery stations are linked with jump bridges. Whatdoyoumean 600M a month sov bill per bridge? Carebears will also happily continue mining when the rest of your alliance is fighting and losing a 10 v 15 ship battle in the next system. Carebears never show up to CTA's either, and if there is a question about "home defence" (ie there are too many reds in the system for them to mine comfortably) they will simply log off, instead of actually helping.

When confronted with this and basically told "help out or else", they will quote the fact that they are industrial toons with no skills. When told that fast tackle is always necessary and it only takes a few hours training to fly a frigate with a warp disruptor and sensor booster, they will go quiet and probably make plans to quit the alliance.

Care-bears are the scourge of EVE. PLEASE do not send them to nullsec, it's hard enough to weed them out here. Let the jihad continue until they realize they have to actually fight for the right to live like everyone else.

You completely miss the point. Perhaps more appropriate would be changing the name "carebear" to "target".

I walk around blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back. I'm so h4rdc0r3 1337 xXxSePhIrOtHxXx ~elite pve~

This.

Also, you've obviously never seen/flown a battlehulk.

Q:Daddy...where does the stuff come from that makes your scary fighting ship?

A: Well...you see...when a man likes a ship...the stork comes...

You are bad and should feel bad. There are many, many MANY more players in hisec than elsewhere. Of course there are more kills.
Come back with some per-capita numbers supporting your claim and I might listen to you.
Also, this is a stupid thread.

You have plenty of tools to defend yourself. You just chose not to.

Maybe become a null bear and mine in space you've conquered and protect? Thats to obvious isn't it.

This thread pleases me.

So many children upset that the hi-sec players were the tuff gaiz all along.

It's in my sig line.

another fav in response to all that goon 'blustering' a few weeks ago:


"CareBears don't care so much they don't come to your space, and they don't harass you, and indeed they don't even fight back. That is the ultimate don't care and there isn't anything you can do, short of dying of starvation, next to a pack of Cheetos, that will demostrate a don't care level beyond that of the CareBear."

Ways to defend yourself without actually doing anything at all 101

Don't haul or fly what you can't afford to lose, getting ganked is a risk you accept when you hit undock, carebear or not.

If you can't afford to lose it, freight it with someone like redfrog or pushx, it gets ganked you keep the collateral

Insure your mission ships and haulers, any financial payback reduces the hit on your wallet.

Pimp fits are the equivalent to painting a target on your back, the man in his Artybaddon or Tornado loves your pimp fit tengus, they go squish and drop good loot.

If war decced, don't carry on as normal , you'll probably have 3 choices if crimewatch gets updated, hire mercs, fight them yourself with some allies, blueball the aggressor by playing on an out of corp alt until he gets bored.

If you're a miner, fly a retriever for the next month, they're cheaper than hulks, mine in a battleship whatever, just don't mine in an untanked max yield hulk, it's going to die.

I'm a hisec trader/missioner I follow the above and have rarely been popped unless I've done something daft. like accidentally APing into losec, never used the damn thing since.

Chances that 90% of the next months whine threads come from people that can't follow simple rules? 100%

.....and you expect to be taken seriously...........................

Condensed. Lets make high sec more like low sec and null sec because the game is booming out there and that will fix EVE.

I actually remember when low-sec WAS booming. Unfortunately, we pounced on everything that moved and the prey either moved on, quit or went to where they got the most protection; big null-sec alliances.

It's a shame that the 'leet guys in thread don't understand the concept of conservation. Soon we will have over-fished hi-sec. It might take longer but from the looks of the average poster's mentality, it is coming nonetheless

ORE Fleet Doctrine are Win, dude.

battlehulks, warcas, hotdrop rorqs, deathskiffs, these all really exist. Dude in my alliance uses a skiff to take down neuts all the time.

Its meant as a joke, but it works pretty well.

I actually remember when low-sec WAS booming. Unfortunately, we pounced on everything that moved and the prey either moved on, quit or went to where they got the most protection; big null-sec alliances.

Condensed. Lets make high sec more like low sec and null sec because the game is booming out there and that will fix EVE.

Ah, most protection as in "nullsec is actually less risky than high, so high should have more income" ?

I'm not entirely sure where you're going with that? Those aren't suggestions to make Hi-sec more like Lo-sec, they're more common sense than anything, the first one is the most bandied about phrase in Eve, after HTFU obviously.

They're more of a call to keep Hi-sec as it is, the system works you just have to be aware of what's going on & where it's happening. After that it's just a matter of temporarily adapting to what others are doing. If someone's put all their eggs in one basket or can't/won't adapt then sorry can't help, should have diversified into other related activities.

Q, if ducks had forums, would they post threads like these when hunting season opens?

Player driven, after all.

One could also say that of the famine in Ethopia...

Ganking hi-sec players (miners, mission runners, etc) has become a sport, complete with prizes and private, alliance sponsored insurance payouts for ships lost in the process. The fact is if you're in a Hulk or any type of hauler, you are automatically a target and you have almost no way to defend yourself. There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".

........ being so apathetic you wont retaliate at the time

Q:Daddy...where does the stuff come from that makes your scary fighting ship?

A: Well...you see...when a man likes a ship...the stork comes...

You go chase after fleeing capsules that are already 4 jumps ahead back to null or wherever to re-arm.

You are only revealing your own stupidity.

If you think YOU are hardcore playing any portion of any computer game then may I respectfully suggest you get a life.

You,Syndicate scrub, should try taking a subway, crossing the street, running a 5k or going 1 round in the ring if you think you are hard core.

I know "Eve is Real" for some of you but writing stuff like, "I 'live' (somewhere) in fake space therefore I am a tough guy" is just pathetic.

It's a game...whether you derive enjoyment from mining rocks or mining tears...it's just a game.

P.S. I just watched my girlfriend paint her nails. She used bright red instead of doing a French Manicure! It was sooooo hardcore! I think I may be getting an understanding of where some of you are coming from. Carry on.

Someone is STUCK in the '80's.

Feed the World

Why would I voluntarily run anywhere? My god, that sounds positively barbaric.

No thank you good sir, I think I shall sit back, chain smoke some badly rolled cigarettes and dress up in my mothers underwear. Although I must admit, it is getting a little chilly in the basement.


Yes, but you aren't getting into the spirit of it very well, are you? Sometimes I question your dedication


I'm not even sure of the relevance, or objective, of this statement. But it has left me with an odd curiosity concerning the difference between using bright red nail varnish, and performing a French manicure.

I hate you to the very depths of my barren little soul for the 20 minutes of my life I'm going to have to waste satisfying my curiosity over this matter.

Hi-seccers are all our children..so let's start giving...

You can go ahead and say that when you aren't in an NPC Corp.....in High Sec.

Feed the children!

p.s. it's a line from the song..so unless you have a frame of reference next time, you can go ahead and skip replying to my posts, m'kay?

I think your analogy is terrible. Red nail polish would go excellently with this lingerie however.

No kidding. I actually bought the 12" when it was released. Were you even around ?

You are a high sec alt disparaging high sec players. Silly.

Screw suicide ganking, it's a lost cause and only useful for the odd indie/hulk kill. Killing anything decent with suicide ganking is both boring and, usually, unprofitable. Its a stupid mechanic that has only become such a big "issue" because high sec care bears have been successful in eliminating virtually every other form of non-consensual PvP.

I say nerf their ability to avoid war decs, then nerf high sec into the ground. In every other game guards exist only to protect newbie areas and trade hubs, if high sec care bears want to live in a police-enforced newbie area they should be willing to accept that that involves making **** all ISK.

Oh, and when we're done with that we should nerf local, replace it with an Intel tool, and then start destroying logistics chains. Starting with a very serious look at jump freighters, the use of carriers as a personal logistics asset and nullified t3s.

If we can get all that crap addressed, and suppress the screams of these "hard core" idiots then maybe making ISK in this game would become fun again. Because at the moment its a mindless grind, and even in null sec there is so little danger its laughable.

Bullseye.

You go chase after fleeing capsules that are already 4 jumps ahead back to null or wherever to re-arm.

You are only revealing your own stupidity.

[quote=Fredfredbug4]
I say nerf their ability to avoid war decs, then nerf high sec into the ground. In every other game guards exist only to protect newbie areas and trade hubs, if high sec care bears want to live in a police-enforced newbie area they should be willing to accept that that involves making **** all ISK.

I'm fairly certain that HS miners, you know, the people being ganked into submission, ARE THE ONES MAKING **** ALL ISK. On the other hand, the guys that really get the nullbears whining are the incursion runners who, oddly, aren't made sport of like the miners. This is a complete guess but, the reason we don't have shineygeddon is because incursion runners can actually defend themselves? All you hardcore pvpers want are easy targets and the satisfaction of ruining someone else's day. That's it. When it comes down to it, the only difference between most of you and mission runners is you're in it to gain enjoyment from other people's misery. You're not even in it for the good fight. Pathetic!

Man, I don't even live in k-space and what I'm seeing now, the extent that CCP allows this, pfft, it's really really sad.

Nice try but why didn't you chose whinebears instead?

Baaawwwww.

Do you have ships with guns in your fleet for defense? Are you mining solo or AFK?

Figure out what category you are in from that.

When you accept the "Hardbear" title, does it come with a free tube of Astroglide? It certainly sounds like it should.

we care about your opinions only to the extent we can laugh at them

The PC I run my mining alt on has been acting up. I rang up technical support but they said it was a hardbear problem

Tear Bears would be more fitting. You squeeze them and tears fly out.

Do you fight with or without a blob?

Are you mining in 0.0 solo or afk or in an OP?

Do you get instructed on how to put your pants on in the morning?

Do you have a ship replacement program or do you work for that ship yourself?

Figure out what category you are in from that.

Do you fight with or without a blob?

Are you mining in 0.0 solo or afk or in an OP?

Do you get instructed on how to put your pants on in the morning?

Do you have a ship replacement program or do you work for that ship yourself?

Figure out what category you are in from that.

Lets all put "hardbear" into google image search with safesearch turned off and see if we get any interesting pictures!