The real issue you're having isn't the AFK cloakers, it's the fear of AFK cloakers. Someone who's AFK can't hurt you.

Simi, one that didn't actually post anything related to the subject at all, only about what other people posted.

I think what you are misunderstanding Jackal is that what the three previous posters are trying to tell you. They aren't approaching your proposal because they do not believe that your premise that there is a problem in the first place exists. And I tend to agree with them.

AFK Cloaking in all common sense cannot be a problem. The person is 'Away From Keyboard' and therefore should pose as much threat as a person that is docked up in a station or sitting inside a POS.

What you are proposing, in effect, is a counter to standard/CovOps Cloaking. However, you did not explain in your OP why cloaking as a game mechanic is broken and would need to be addressed via the implementation of your proposal. Until you do so, you will not get any constructive feedback to your actual proposal.

Please don't call me an idiot, that is considered harassment. That is reportable.

There is a reason people feel the need to go AFK cloaked up in a system. It is because local Intel is such a powerful tool that the only way to devalue it is to always be in local, in the hope that the occupant forgets about you or decides to risk it and ignore you.

You cannot address AFK cloaking without addressing the issues with local Intel.

Actually I do disagree with AFK cloaking, I would like to see the system scanning array CCP created enabled so that people can (slowly) scan down afk cloakers.

Then I'd like to see local removed and replaced with an Intel tool. Or for a short term fix just delay local by 30 seconds.

However this probably isn't the thread to discuss it in. OP is an idiot, his idea doesn't even acknowledge most of the current issues on this topic let alone address them and there are literally hundreds of identical ideas.

You cannot remove local without providing another form of passive detection, the game would be far too lopsided in the favor of agressive play for the carebears to get anything done.

Abusing game mechanics and inadequate game mechanics are two separate issues. Right now AFK cloaking is abusing game mechanics because it allows a person to disrupt activities while not being active at the keyboard. AFK cloakers want people to just ignore the threat so they can get killmails. It makes a joke of sovereignty. AFK cloaking proponents like to tell people to put together an operation to defend against the apparent threat. However to instill paranoia with an AFK cloaking alt does not take an operational effort. The level of effort is minimal. There is no way to address the potential threat of a cloaked neutral or war target in your system at all. It is far too asymmetric.

The best proposal is to add a fuel element to the cloak so that a cloaker cannot leave his ship in a system afk without supervision and a re-supply effort.

Please don't call me an idiot, that is considered harassment. That is reportable.

please read before nuking

Mxzf, one that actually didn't respond with anything on subject with the topic, instead he just read the first line, and made a quick post about AFK users, and not actually read the subject itself.

The real issue you're having isn't the AFK cloakers, it's the fear of AFK cloakers. Someone who's AFK can't hurt you.

The real issue you're having isn't the AFK cloakers, it's the fear of AFK cloakers. Someone who's AFK can't hurt you.

Please don't call me an idiot, that is considered harassment. That is reportable.

Bullsh1t, How are you suppose to know if he's afk or not.

This subject now has been brought up soooo many times it's obviously a game breaking problem for those that like to play the game in a specific way.

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It's game breaking that you don't know who to use a Cyno Jammer and the D-Scanner? Just maybe your idiocy and laziness is breaking the game for you?

Jam system and check for black ops with your D-Scanner. If you can't manage that then GTFO of this game and head back to WoW for risk free profits!

wow, what a noob reply. NPC space does not allow jammers.
D-Scan doesn't work if they are cloaked.

Go join Eve Uni, they might teach you a thing or two about game mechanics
Personally I do not care if they fix this or not, just sick of the moaning on here and seeing the same subject brought up on a weekly basis.
Because it's brought up soo often it must be an issue for a large part of the game playing community.

Here's a thought, stop being an utter ****** and don't mine in NPC space?

How is a cloaked ship going to kill you **** head? Oh and BTW, black OPs ships can't fly cloaked. I'd tell you to go learn about it but lets face it, if you can't work any of that out for yourself, you're probably too much of an idiot to learn anything.

rofl my ass off, someone needs anger management.
Mine??? LOL
Almost fell off my chair.

why the anger mr noob?

i cant stop thinking about ice cream now

So I was thinking, from the problems such as AFK cloakers that is sit in someone's null sec space, just so they can destroy the indy and mining of that system, yet they arn't even at the computer, they are just sitting there to troll. So here the idea of how this will work.

Module name: Gravitational distortion probe

Possible skills required to use said probe:

Science V

Astrometrics V

possible a few other skills, that might resolve around grav-metric reports.

Maybe even a skill involving using the probe itself. And maybe even have a launcher dedicated to this probe, and this can prevent some OP seeing only one kind of probe launcher can be put on at a time. This could bring in the possibility of a new job, a cloak/ship hunter killer, dedicated in finding hidden hostiles.

The probe could work very much like all other probes, only it can only detect ships, and cloaked ships.

Of course, we must always have counters for an item like this! for someone that really dedicated in making sure he stays hidden could equip items that help with making their signature harder, and harder to lock onto, of course this means he will have to make a tactical choice of taking away items off his fit to make sure someone doesn't find him.

Now this is just an idea, I'm wondering if it possable, and what kinds of changes you would have, or make to said item of you think it a good idea.


Remember, Posting "That's an awful idea," is not constructive. It also breaks one of the ground rules, if you don't like it, and don't have anything constructive to post, please don't post anything at all. =)

How is a cloaked ship going to kill you

If you want to address people AFKing and creating fear, then why not look at the mechanic that's actually allowing that to happen?

Oh, so you're scared the nasty cloakers are going to hurt you while you're ratting? That's even worse!

Or maybe you just even can't read the OP which you are defending, where he whines that he can't mine because a nasty man is AFK cloaking. Maybe all your problems stem from your inability to understand words!

D) People still seem to fail to releaze this isn't about AFK cloaking, I really don't give two ***** about AFK players. If they wish to AFK in some system where miners like to mine without a guard, well that their problem, not mine.

The point of this topic was to bring up an idea of a counter, while it might not been my greatest idea to post into a forum with much of the player base that actually makes forum post do it so they can troll each other. Now if you look at much of the elements in EVE you will find many things have a 'counter' to them. Now, like with any probes it can be countered in certain ways, like warping constantly, of course this means one won't beable to stop long enough to really set up a nice trap, then again, it possable that this cloaker won't even know he being hunted cause if a few little simple changes are made of local, which would be easy, disabling pictures, and the number in local should be easy right?

At one of the CCP / CSM meeting the idea of a new decloaking ship was discussed, The cloaking and decloacking game was to be like finding submarines.
I though this idea would have been cool. I know there is a lot of people willing to spend days just to find a cloaker, whether afk or not.

Then you could have a cloak hunter ship in the belt trying to find that cloak ship if it might be at the belt. Adding another role to the mining op.
This would not prevent the ship from cynoing a hot drop, but there would be a greater risk of it being unacceptable. For the Casual ganker this would make the attack more challenging.

Not that Hot droping is a Big boys game. and mining is often a poor mans game. So this ship cloak hunting ship would help even the playing field between the rich and the poor.

This is the only way I sort of agree. I think the ability to hunt an on grid cloaker is not a bad idea in itself if it isnt some auto hunt thing despite my previous comment with the scorpion. An attentive and maneuvering cloakie on grid would be a tough bird to track down, or somebody getting on a quick warp would still not be affected. Things like anticloaking fields or any of the like would be terrible. A manual hunting would be rather fun. Getting hotter, oh, colder.... sort of rangefinding game would probably be best way to do it. If person is offgrid, well whatever, they cannot do anything anyways.

This is the only way I sort of agree. I think the ability to hunt an on grid cloaker is not a bad idea in itself if it isnt some auto hunt thing despite my previous comment with the scorpion. An attentive and maneuvering cloakie on grid would be a tough bird to track down, or somebody getting on a quick warp would still not be affected. Things like anticloaking fields or any of the like would be terrible. A manual hunting would be rather fun. Getting hotter, oh, colder.... sort of rangefinding game would probably be best way to do it. If person is offgrid, well whatever, they cannot do anything anyways.

At one of the CCP / CSM meeting the idea of a new decloaking ship was discussed, The cloaking and decloacking game was to be like finding submarines.
I though this idea would have been cool. I know there is a lot of people willing to spend days just to find a cloaker, whether afk or not.

At one of the CCP / CSM meeting the idea of a new decloaking ship was discussed, The cloaking and decloacking game was to be like finding submarines.
I though this idea would have been cool. I know there is a lot of people willing to spend days just to find a cloaker, whether afk or not.

So I was thinking, from the problems such as AFK cloakers

Here is stopped reading ... Guess why?

Either you want counter cloaking (which doesn't make sense) or you want to counter being AFK, in which case I would ask for the reason.

It's like you call for a counter to being docked. Right?

this ^^

honestly cloaking etc isnt broken but i just really think having a new destroyer or destroyer module that enhances the directional scanner for attempting to find cloakies would be a bit of fun every now and then, all cloak and dagger still see, still think the covert destroyer is my personal favourate so that it can be used with blops gangs (obviously cant dscan for cloakies while cloaked, so maybe a highslot module that needs to be activated to send a pulse out....)

The only issue I have with cloakers is they get to sit and watch with no recourse. No risk to them at all. AFK is only a term you can describe cause there is no idea if they are watching or not.

This mod maybe should be decloak within 10km radius as a active mod.

Well a cloaker should not get 100% safety.

Transport ships are a great example. Why should you be able to haul goods around with 100% safety. They warp faster cloaked. They rarely get popped unless they system lets it happen.

My solution could be that if you jump into a bubble the bubble itself should decloak you on jump in or warp.

I just think it should be move active between players. I think maybe 10% of population are worried about cloakers. I want the real aspect of cloakers addressed. The scout the other side should be death if there is a bubble. Those guys camping on that side of the gate are actively sitting there hours. Why should a cloaky bomber be able to evade by cloak?

I think it would be great that all sides would be effected by a decloak mod. The result is net zero.

I think PVP is quite boring now. small gangs need more active action.

100% safety???
You are either misinformed, or assuming far too much.

I am sure, from a non cloaking perspective, it looks easy, and foolproof.

But you need to rethink your assumptions on this. Cloaking gives no more benefit at a gate than any good travel fit does.
And if you challenge a camp without a travel fit, you either planned poorly, or are foolish.
If someone gets in range, your cloak is useless, and for an experienced gate camper, this is not that hard to do.
It won't stop you from being pointed, that's a different module.

And try to remember, these ships have weaker average combat ability than their non cloaking variety.

If you go through a gate relying on a cloak, you are truly betting everything on that cloak. Your ship is very unlikely to offer any options for a second chance if the cloak fails.

The point is that you should be able to approach a cloaked ship hit a mod to see if you decloak him with a 10km radius cause you well know 2.5km is not that big. The mod would be only activated with a considerable cool down. Remember we want more action in camping. Each ship should have pupose and the continues with this. Just now cloak is an active occupation and not to sit around and call targets.

CCP was working on an idea like this, im not sure if they are still interested in it but for whatever reason they scrapped it,

from 2007 datadump

http://eve-online.itemdrop.net/eve_db/items/module/anti_cloaking_pulse/cloak_destabilization_pulse_i/

there are several versions of this with varying ranges.

I believe that something like this would be OP and not good for the game

Then I'd like to see local removed and replaced with an Intel tool.

It's called wormhole space with private chat channels.

I would live exclusively in WHs if they had stable gates.

I have trouble with the whole unpredictable nature of system connections, and no outposts to dock up in.

(I would live in the 'woods', but I want a log cabin, not a tent)

So your newly created "mod" would make CovOps frigates redundant (jumped, cloaked, got decloaked, got instatpopped). I hope you see the consequences...

Just curious, I can't remember, How did Starfleet/Picard identify cloaked ships?

Just curious, I can't remember, How did Starfleet/Picard identify cloaked ships?

3- And cloaking should cost fuel.
It would avoid afk cloaking and make the cloak use much harder.

Magic.

- ships NOT uncloaking when you log off (dc's are a pita)

A covops should definitely remain cloaked in the event of a disconnect.

I was recently scouting activities at a POS when my client reset, which resulted in my ship suddenly appearing on grid with their POS and warping away. There's no telling how that affected their decisions from then on. Having covops be revealed upon disconnect can completely ruin a scouting mission through technical problems.

No.

And here are three posters, who provide 0 feed back, instead they just complain about an idea that is presented instead of actually providing useful feed back, if you don't think it will work Danika, Simi, Mxzf. Why don't you provide your own detail explanation on why it won't work. Provide some useful insight Danika all know one, that auto assumes if someone in a NPC corp, that they never been to a null sec area.

Mxzf, one that actually didn't respond with anything on subject with the topic, instead he just read the first line, and made a quick post about AFK users, and not actually read the subject itself.

Simi, one that didn't actually post anything related to the subject at all, only about what other people posted.

It really simple, if you don't like it, don't read it, if you have nothing to say, go vent somewhere else. It really easy.

using fuel to cloak is a rather bad idea, specially for those that are going long distances, and need to dodge a bunch of warp gates, plus, if you change local around so that you can't see cloakers in local, you won't even be able to tell if someone that is AFK cloaking, till of course, they decloak and blow your ass to kingdomcom, so that would put an extra stress on having an escort an or plan out your warps and systems you go to more carefully.

Three things should change at the same time.

1- It should be possible to probe cloaked ships, to warp on them at 0 to declaock them.
Perharps the Covert Ops frigate should have a spacial ability to be able to decloak ships 30km around...

2- Your name should disapear in the local when you cloak.
It would give a chance to cloakers to catch a pilot that did not see him enter the local and re-cloak...


3- And cloaking should cost fuel.
It would avoid afk cloaking and make the cloak use much harder.

How much do you want to bet that half of the "cloakers" plaguing these nullsec dwellers aren't even cloaked half the time?

When was the last time they actually tried scanning one down?

The real issue you're having isn't the AFK cloakers, it's the fear of AFK cloakers. Someone who's AFK can't hurt you.

I love to afk cloak and bomb people in systems. It's fun as hell. It's also easy as hell and I am 150% safe from anybody killing me so long as I don't derp. So yes, I enjoy AFK cloaking in my Manticore's and Purifier's. I enjoy it a lot as I use multiple characters to bomb people with all the time. Always completely safe from any harm or retribution at all.

It isn't right and needs to be fixed.

So you would enjoy this activity more, say, if people needed to make an effort in order to know you were there?

Just sayin, whoever you are bombing, must not be that clever, I mean, your name is clearly showing in local. Did they think you were selling cookies?

Pickin on the derps like that sounds cruel...

Here's my idea:

A Spacial Distortion detector that is able to detect the presence of any cloaked ships ongrid. It doesn't tell you where they are, just that they are there.

No.

Cloaking is working as intended.

Sunviking
Posted: 2012.05.04 15:14

Here's my idea:

A Spacial Distortion detector that is able to detect the presence of any cloaked ships on grid. It doesn't tell you where they are, just that they are there.

And here are three posters, who provide 0 feed back, instead they just complain about an idea that is presented instead of actually providing useful feed back, if you don't think it will work Danika, Simi, Mxzf. Why don't you provide your own detail explanation on why it won't work. Provide some useful insight Danika all know one, that auto assumes if someone in a NPC corp, that they never been to a null sec area.

Mxzf, one that actually didn't respond with anything on subject with the topic, instead he just read the first line, and made a quick post about AFK users, and not actually read the subject itself.

Simi, one that didn't actually post anything related to the subject at all, only about what other people posted.

It really simple, if you don't like it, don't read it, if you have nothing to say, go vent somewhere else. It really easy.

Frankly I don't even think cloaking is broken. I believe the AFK aspect of it is. If CCP implemented something like, oh I don't know, a timer that kicked you out after so many minutes of inactivity? That might work. Unfortunately botting applications can fix that easy enough, so it isn't really a viable option.

But cloaking isn't responsible for the fear creation when AFKing is used. That would be the local mechanic at work, people's reliance upon it's intel and misreading of said intel.

Cloaking is balanced, even though as pointed out by Nikk Narrel, the whole thing is balanced through being broken.
You know someone is there as you can see them, therefore the edge is taken off cloaks. But the mere fact you can see them, puts some people into spasms of fear. That's not the fault of the cloak mechanic, but rather a certain player base. The majority of which seem to be either renters, or pets.

No amount of changes will ever satisfy these types. You only need look at the changes to insurance payouts on suicide ganks to see that.

Then there is the imbalance of any nerf to cloaks. No matter how you try to spin it, any idea that nerfs cloaks without also nerfing local, is inherently bad and not a balanced approach.
Without changes to local also taking place at the same time and in conjunction with cloak alterations. You will simply be adding even more intel power, on top of the already powerful local intel tool. Anyone with any sense of balance, can see that would be bad for the game.

I still feel that SOME method of detecting a cloaky should be available. Even if it is a pain in the ass...as it should be.

Jackal Datapaw
Posted: 2012.05.04 19:41

Technically Sentinel, you do have a way to force decloak someone, without putting a new mod in the game, smart bombs. massive area affect that tends to kick people out of cloak. Granted that would have to be a team work based thing, which is what I like, when one hunts subs, normally they don't do it alone, typically you have a team

So an example, in said fleet, one person could be the hunter, while the fellow fleet members follow behind, when they think they get close, they smart bomb, which if they hit, will kick the cloaker right out.

They did this during WW2, typically they will have a lead ship that is decked the hell out with sonar, and listening devices, they they will have a 'wall' of ships behind him, and with the signal, they start to drop line after line of depth charges.

Dept charges work very close to that of smart bombs, the explosion isn't want kills the sub, it the concussion wave of the explosion, cause you know, water doesn't compress, and the air inside of the sub is what compresses, granted if the sub comes to the surface, he now basically immune to depth charges but has to deal with the deck guns of the destroyers.

So I was thinking, from the problems such as AFK cloakers that is sit in someone's null sec space, just so they can destroy the indy and mining of that system, yet they arn't even at the computer, they are just sitting there to troll. So here the idea of how this will work.

Ahh, Sebiestor Tribe. That great nullsec powerhouse.

I don't believe you have ever set foot in nullsec. You should probably try it before you complain.

That, or post with your main.

There are 5 afk Bombers permanently in our 0.0.
I would love to find them and fight them but it is impossible.
I could try to bait them but I do not know when they are present.
I could go to farm but if they come back will I lose my tengu?
I could go to mine but when they will come back they will just have to enter the belt and pop my Hulk before anyone could come to help me.

It is unfair. They can choose the time of the engagement at anytime. So I can do only one thing. Fly away.

There are 5 afk Bombers permanently in our 0.0.
I would love to find them and fight them but it is impossible.
I could try to bait them but I do not know when they are present.
I could go to farm but if they come back will I lose my tengu?
I could go to mine but when they will come back they will just have to enter the belt and pop my Hulk before anyone could come to help me.

It is unfair. They can choose the time of the engagement at anytime.

There are 5 afk Bombers permanently in our 0.0.
I would love to find them and fight them but it is impossible.
I could try to bait them but I do not know when they are present.
I could go to farm but if they come back will I lose my tengu?
I could go to mine but when they will come back they will just have to enter the belt and pop my Hulk before anyone could come to help me.

It is unfair. They can choose the time of the engagement at anytime. So I can do only one thing. Fly away.

There are 5 afk Bombers permanently in our 0.0.
I would love to find them and fight them but it is impossible.
I could try to bait them but I do not know when they are present.
I could go to farm but if they come back will I lose my tengu?
I could go to mine but when they will come back they will just have to enter the belt and pop my Hulk before anyone could come to help me.

It is unfair. They can choose the time of the engagement at anytime. So I can do only one thing. Fly away.

There are 5 afk Bombers permanently in our 0.0.
I would love to find them and fight them but it is impossible.
I could try to bait them but I do not know when they are present.
I could go to farm but if they come back will I lose my tengu?
I could go to mine but when they will come back they will just have to enter the belt and pop my Hulk before anyone could come to help me.

It is unfair. They can choose the time of the engagement at anytime. So I can do only one thing. Fly away.

You cannot remove local without providing another form of passive detection, the game would be far too lopsided in the favor of agressive play for the carebears to get anything done.

New Rule:

All ships that have been AFK for more than 15 minutes have their character portraits grayed out on local chat.

The would solve not only issues with AFK cloaking but AFK mining as well. Both potential threats and victims would be appropriately highlighted. Though, since you can only see their portrait in local and not their actual ship, deciding whether they are a threat or a victim would be a coin toss. So there is that, as well.

New Rule:

All ships that have been AFK for more than 15 minutes have their character portraits grayed out on local chat.

The would solve not only issues with AFK cloaking but AFK mining as well. Both potential threats and victims would be appropriately highlighted. Though, since you can only see their portrait in local and not their actual ship, deciding whether they are a threat or a victim would be a coin toss. So there is that, as well.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this will only help the "AFK" cloakers. Your suggestion will be used extensively to fool people into thinking their system is "safe" because all the cloakers are "AFK". The thing is, they won't be. You'll bring out your hulk thinking you're safe and...

BAM!

You're dead. Then you'll come onto the forum whining about how the system doesn't work because you got killed by someone that was AFK. The thing is, he wasn't. He just scanned down the Grav site you were in and went there to become "AFK" (in speech marks to denote not really AFK but displayed as AFK to local). Eventually no one will take any notice of whether someone is greyed out or not because it's not necessarily accurate intel due to being used to actively fool people into dying.

The issue isn't AFK cloakers. The issue isn't cloaks. The issue is people attempting to make a 100% accurate risk free intel system out of local, which it was never meant to be. The issue is people thinking they have the right to do whatever they want in their system, risk free.

In every single cloaking thread one or more people posts all the ways of getting round cloakers but people refuse to take it in and put it into practice. If you can't hack it go back to high sec or leave your corp and join one that can protect their space. Don't blame game mechanics for the incompetence of your corp and/or alliance.

There is NO need for any passive intel source. There never was.

The suggestion that you must deserve or require something simply because you have it now, only points to the fact you have grown accustomed to having it.

Grow up. Literally, I mean grow into a new role of providing for yourself, and not being handed this with no effort.

Local handing out free intel like this is very comparable to a bicycle with training wheels on it. I can even accept high sec having the current system indefinitely, but nowhere else. High sec is like EVE with training wheels, so why not.

Compete with others when you mine, by paying more attention to your D-scans, and you should see them DIAF while you escape. Profit to you, and your minerals will sell for more too.

There are 5 afk Bombers permanently in our 0.0.
I would love to find them and fight them but it is impossible.
I could try to bait them but I do not know when they are present.
I could go to farm but if they come back will I lose my tengu?
I could go to mine but when they will come back they will just have to enter the belt and pop my Hulk before anyone could come to help me.

It is unfair. They can choose the time of the engagement at anytime. So I can do only one thing. Fly away.

-NUKED-


Once again another AFK Cloaky whine thread.


I am nuking you like I have nuked many in the past.

I have multiple pages saved of how many times this has gotten nuked.

Before posting something that will break a game mechanic...

... try reading the commonly proposed threads thread.

A, the obligatory e-peen waving from someone who was born on a Titan with six billion skill points and was never, ever a noob himself.

- Have everyone who wants to rat in the same fleet so you can all warp to each other if problems occur (yes, effort).
- Have one or two people in Taranii flying around system as a "rapid response team" (Stealth Bombers HATE small, fast, high-DPS ships).
- Don't min/max your fits for ratting... PvP fit them (i.e. omni-resists, warp disruptor, Warrior II drones) so you can give your interceptor buddies time to get to you (yes, this will cut into your ISK-efficiency... boo hoo).
- Alternatively, have someone with you in a plex/sanctum/anomaly in a super-sebo'd arty-fit Muninn/Tornado/Tempest. Not only can they assist you and help you clear things up faster, but they are very menacing to slow, tankless Stealth Bombers.
- Falcons, Rooks, and Kitsunes can jam hostiles from long range so miners can warp away.
- Logistics ships. Use them for their intended role: keeping people who don't want to die, alive.
- Change up your ratting tactics. Use range and/or speed rather than plain "gank and tank." Stealth Bombers can't move all that fast when cloaked.
- If you are really skittish... use a cheaper, more "disposable" ship. Yeah, the Tengu will be able the clear out a plex in under an hour without breaking a sweat... but a T2-fit Cerberus or Raven is a fraction of that and takes... what? A 15% to 20% reduction in ISK-efficiency? That sounds fair for risking 80 to 90% less of your ISK.
- Check the killboards of the guys cloaking in your system. You can guesstimate their "active times" by seeing when they get most of their kills.
- If you are afraid of normal cynos, get a cyno jammer in your system. If you are afraid of covert cynos... use the above tactics. Very few ships can use covert cynos and those that can either have no tank or a targeting delay. Use this knowledge to your advantage.

There are 5 afk Bombers permanently in our 0.0.
I would love to find them and fight them but it is impossible.
I could try to bait them but I do not know when they are present.
I could go to farm but if they come back will I lose my tengu?
I could go to mine but when they will come back they will just have to enter the belt and pop my Hulk before anyone could come to help me.

It is unfair. They can choose the time of the engagement at anytime. So I can do only one thing. Fly away.

My thoughts are to simply not allow extended AFK camping.

If there is no keyboard/mouse/game input for a period of 30minutes then the cloak disables allowing the person to be scanned down.

I am often both, that cloaky nuet in system as well as that ratter with my pimped tengu wanting to run a site or two.

My thoughts are to simply not allow extended AFK camping.

If there is no keyboard/mouse/game input for a period of 30minutes then the cloak disables allowing the person to be scanned down.

I am often both, that cloaky nuet in system as well as that ratter with my pimped tengu wanting to run a site or two.