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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.03.19 23:50:00 - [1] The Escapist's 2009 March Mayhem Round 1 voting is open for the next 48 Hours. There are 32 match-ups in Round 1, 8 in each of the "divisions". CCP's first matchup is against EA Canada, the voting just started, but it's almost a tie for the time being. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.03.20 00:09:00 - [2] I hope a CCP developer looks at that poll and see that they are BARELY maintaining a two-digit lead over mother****ing EA. That has got to put a damper on their day.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.03.20 00:15:00 - [3] Yeah, doesn't look like CCP is all that loved as a company right now, which is kind of a shame... last year, they made it pretty far in the matchups, this year they're in danger of getting out on the first matchup. Ouch. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 00:18:00 - [4] Lots of CCP hate, did I miss a PR disaster at some point? As for EA, they are mildly new and improved. Can't hate them quite as much since they gave me Mirror's Edge <3. - DesuSigs
Irida Mershkov Gallente Shadowsun Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.20 00:23:00 - [5] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 20/03/2009 00:23:38 EA have very very slowly been getting better over time, then again a lot of people might not have heard of CCP. Edit: read the posts on the forum, wow, I thought our forums were bad haha.
Donovan Corelli	Posted - 2009.03.20 00:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Crumplecorn Lots of CCP hate, did I miss a PR disaster at some point? Ghost Training and removal of classic client caused rabblerabble.
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.20 00:27:00 - [7] So is this a poll of who has the most fanboys or who makes the better game? I'm thinking the latter cause the EA clones of the same games over and over makes me cry myself to sleep somenights.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.03.20 00:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Crumplecorn Lots of CCP hate, did I miss a PR disaster at some point? As for EA, they are mildly new and improved. Can't hate them quite as much since they gave me Mirror's Edge <3. EVE is full of bugs and has corrupt developers is why most people who have a problem with CCP have a problem with CCP.
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 00:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Crumplecorn Lots of CCP hate, did I miss a PR disaster at some point? As for EA, they are mildly new and improved. Can't hate them quite as much since they gave me Mirror's Edge <3. EVE is full of bugs and has corrupt developers is why most people who have a problem with CCP have a problem with CCP. And don't forget that EA is a fantastic game company! "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:01:00 - [10] EA is actually turning out to be pretty legitimate lately. RA3 has received significant post-release support (and is a fun game), and Mirror's Edge was groundbreaking. EA has learned that releasing buggy games and not supporting them will lead to short-term profits but after a couple years no one will touch your products. CCP is going to learn that lesson eventually and I am sure if it was not for the developer corruption scandal and the constant bugs this game would have a million subscribers by now.
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:04:00 - [11] I think it has a lot to do with terrible, terrible customer service, as well. For instance, I was banned (not even a warning or temporary ban for an account that had given probably over 200 dollars to this company) and then they kept billing me for over 5 months before I noticed. Well, guess what? Because I was banned I couldn't even sign in to "cancel" my account. I'm sure plenty of other people have had this or similar kinds of terrible customer service. It's obvious that most of the senior GMs are vindictive, angry, underpayed desk jockeys. I have not once seen a glimmer of humanity from them. Also, I was banned on Christmas. Yeesh. (I was banned for illegal account "sharing" because I emptied some guy's corp hanger/wallet with the account info he stupidly gave me. I should have known that was a no-no, but didn't think much of it considering the "anything goes" mentality held by the devs. I think fair punishment might have been returning of the items stolen and a two week ban. Instead I got a permanent ban for ALL my accounts, none [sans one] of which were involved in the event. On top of all that, my friend, who was merely the middleman whom I gave all the stolen items to, had all of his accounts banned too. Does this seem a little harsh to anybody else? All appeals were denied.)
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Asuka Smith I am sure if it was not for the developer corruption scandal and the constant bugs this game would have a million subscribers by now. And we'd all enjoy not being able to log in. - DesuSigs
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Asuka Smith EA is actually turning out to be pretty legitimate lately. RA3 has received significant post-release support (and is a fun game), and Mirror's Edge was groundbreaking. EA has learned that releasing buggy games and not supporting them will lead to short-term profits but after a couple years no one will touch your products. CCP is going to learn that lesson eventually and I am sure if it was not for the developer corruption scandal and the constant bugs this game would have a million subscribers by now. Really? And do you think that EvE, with it's current technology, could HANDLE a million subscribers? Without most popular zones facing crushing, game breaking lag and debilitating player struggles? I personally think that EvE's subscriber base is constantly pushing it's server technology to the limits. It seems that both EvE, and CCP, seem to be growing at an ideal rate. Sometimes, too much growth is a bad thing. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Deep Ivory I think it has a lot to do with terrible, terrible customer service, as well. For instance, I was banned (not even a warning or temporary ban for an account that had given probably over 200 dollars to this company) and then they kept billing me for over 5 months before I noticed. Well, guess what? Because I was banned I couldn't even sign in to "cancel" my account. I'm sure plenty of other people have had this or similar kinds of terrible customer service. It's obvious that most of the senior GMs are vindictive, angry, underpayed desk jockeys. I have not once seen a glimmer of humanity from them. Also, I was banned on Christmas. Yeesh. (I was banned for illegal account "sharing" because I emptied some guy's corp hanger/wallet with the account info he stupidly gave me. I should have known that was a no-no, but didn't think much of it considering the "anything goes" mentality held by the devs. I think fair punishment might have been returning of the items stolen and a two week ban. Instead I got a permanent ban for ALL my accounts, none [sans one] of which were involved in the event. On top of all that, my friend, who was merely the middleman whom I gave all the stolen items to, had all of his accounts banned too. Does this seem a little harsh to anybody else? All appeals were denied.) You essentially stole another persons account details. That's not some small little detail. I hate to say it, but if you can't see how that is a MAJOR no-no, it's probably a good thing you were perma-banned. It's also probably a good thing you brought it up in this post, as they may go ahead and ban THIS account to make sure the point goes home. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Deep Ivory I think it has a lot to do with terrible, terrible customer service, as well. For instance, I was banned (not even a warning or temporary ban for an account that had given probably over 200 dollars to this company) and then they kept billing me for over 5 months before I noticed. Well, guess what? Because I was banned I couldn't even sign in to "cancel" my account. I'm sure plenty of other people have had this or similar kinds of terrible customer service. It's obvious that most of the senior GMs are vindictive, angry, underpayed desk jockeys. I have not once seen a glimmer of humanity from them. Also, I was banned on Christmas. Yeesh. (I was banned for illegal account "sharing" because I emptied some guy's corp hanger/wallet with the account info he stupidly gave me. I should have known that was a no-no, but didn't think much of it considering the "anything goes" mentality held by the devs. I think fair punishment might have been returning of the items stolen and a two week ban. Instead I got a permanent ban for ALL my accounts, none [sans one] of which were involved in the event. On top of all that, my friend, who was merely the middleman whom I gave all the stolen items to, had all of his accounts banned too. Does this seem a little harsh to anybody else? All appeals were denied.) You essentially stole another persons account details. That's not some small little detail. I hate to say it, but if you can't see how that is a MAJOR no-no, it's probably a good thing you were perma-banned. It's also probably a good thing you brought it up in this post, as they may go ahead and ban THIS account to make sure the point goes home. /yawn I'm using the exact same info (email, credit card number, name, etc.) for this account as my last. It's obvious they aren't trying to stop me from returning. How is it a "MAJOR" no-no? Full scale corp theft is 100% condoned in this game. How is using social engineering to obtain a target's login info so different that using it to get director promotions? It's a fine line, that I, admittedly, crossed, but the point has most assuredly been made. Do you think I'm going to log onto somebody's account after that incident with ill-intent? I'm not brain dead. Might consider thinking next time before you hit the "post" button.
Lt Shard Shoot To Thrill Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:30:00 - [16] my 2 isk says they lose to Valve _________________________ Yes, I know the Titan is small in my sig.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Deep Ivory Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Deep Ivory I think it has a lot to do with terrible, terrible customer service, as well. For instance, I was banned (not even a warning or temporary ban for an account that had given probably over 200 dollars to this company) and then they kept billing me for over 5 months before I noticed. Well, guess what? Because I was banned I couldn't even sign in to "cancel" my account. I'm sure plenty of other people have had this or similar kinds of terrible customer service. It's obvious that most of the senior GMs are vindictive, angry, underpayed desk jockeys. I have not once seen a glimmer of humanity from them. Also, I was banned on Christmas. Yeesh. (I was banned for illegal account "sharing" because I emptied some guy's corp hanger/wallet with the account info he stupidly gave me. I should have known that was a no-no, but didn't think much of it considering the "anything goes" mentality held by the devs. I think fair punishment might have been returning of the items stolen and a two week ban. Instead I got a permanent ban for ALL my accounts, none [sans one] of which were involved in the event. On top of all that, my friend, who was merely the middleman whom I gave all the stolen items to, had all of his accounts banned too. Does this seem a little harsh to anybody else? All appeals were denied.) You essentially stole another persons account details. That's not some small little detail. I hate to say it, but if you can't see how that is a MAJOR no-no, it's probably a good thing you were perma-banned. It's also probably a good thing you brought it up in this post, as they may go ahead and ban THIS account to make sure the point goes home. /yawn I'm using the exact same info (email, credit card number, name, etc.) for this account as my last. It's obvious they aren't trying to stop me from returning. How is it a "MAJOR" no-no? Full scale corp theft is 100% condoned in this game. How is using social engineering to obtain a target's login info so different that using it to get director promotions? It's a fine line, that I, admittedly, crossed, but the point has most assuredly been made. Do you think I'm going to log onto somebody's account after that incident with ill-intent? I'm not brain dead. Might consider thinking next time before you hit the "post" button. Hahaha ... you can't see the difference between something in-game, and something out? That ain't a fine line. It's the different between imaginary land and real life. You stole something that is REAL, which is an account payed for in real money. If I give you the keys to my house to protect it, but you come in and steal all my furniture? That's still theft. Stupid of me, true, but you're still a criminal. If you can convince someone to give you access to their corp hanger in game and you steal it all? It's in-game. Accessing an account that you have no legal permission to access to do the same? Yeah, that's definitely an escalation. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Fyrewyre	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:38:00 - [18] Edited by: Fyrewyre on 20/03/2009 01:42:09 Nice to see we are all talking game amount production and quality. EDIT missed the "L" Guess where I missed it from.... ------------------------------------------- "Never let anyone stop you having fun" Mad Snoz, leeds
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Hahaha ... you can't see the difference between something in-game, and something out? That ain't a fine line. It's the different between imaginary land and real life. You stole something that is REAL, which is an account payed for in real money. Except I didn't. His account was still his. I didn't edit the details whatsoever. I didn't lock him out of it, I didn't cancel his sub, I didn't change his email, I didn't do anything but log on and steal pixels. Quote: If I give you the keys to my house to protect it, but you come in and steal all my furniture? That's still theft. Stupid of me, true, but you're still a criminal. You keep missing the part where it's a game. Illegal behavior is condoned here. It is not condoned in the real world. One is a game. One is the real world. Game. Real world. Think about it. Quote: If you can convince someone to give you access to their corp hanger in game and you steal it all? It's in-game. Accessing an account that you have no legal permission to access to do the same? Yeah, that's definitely an escalation. So it's perfectly 100% OK to steal everything of worth from somebody in game, but completely 100% evil, nasty, disgusting, criminal behavior to take the shortcut and simply log on to the account he has given me PERMISSION to access and take what I was going to in the long run, anyway? I'm not saying CCP doesn't have the right to ban me for breaking the rules, but I think it was harsh, considering the landscape of the game. Had I done this in World of Warcraft I would have expected it from the get-go, and not done it, but Eve is all about criminality. They, obviously have to start banning somewhere, and I crossed their threshold, apparently. What is ridiculous, though, is you trying to convince yourself that this is vastly different than traditional in-game corp theft. Quote: Nice to see we are all talking game amount production and quality. Part of a game's worth (especially an MMO, where social interaction is everything) is the ability of the company to handle disputes, bugs, etc. with their customer. CCP, quite frankly, has made an amazing game, but lack the social skills to interact with their customer, which is part of the reason they are struggling to win a vote against EA Canada. This is an example of that failed interaction. I don't see why you are complaining about an example.
Fyrewyre	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:58:00 - [20] Quote: Part of a game's worth (especially an MMO, where social interaction is everything) is the ability of the company to handle disputes, bugs, etc. with their customer. CCP, quite frankly, has made an amazing game, but lack the social skills to interact with their customer, which is part of the reason they are struggling to win a vote against EA Canada. This is an example of that failed interaction. I don't see why you are complaining about an example. At what point did I complain? ------------------------------------------- "Never let anyone stop you having fun" Mad Snoz, leeds
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 02:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Deep Ivory Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Hahaha ... you can't see the difference between something in-game, and something out? That ain't a fine line. It's the different between imaginary land and real life. You stole something that is REAL, which is an account payed for in real money. Except I didn't. His account was still his. I didn't edit the details whatsoever. I didn't lock him out of it, I didn't cancel his sub, I didn't change his email, I didn't do anything but log on and steal pixels. Quote: If I give you the keys to my house to protect it, but you come in and steal all my furniture? That's still theft. Stupid of me, true, but you're still a criminal. You keep missing the part where it's a game. Illegal behavior is condoned here. It is not condoned in the real world. One is a game. One is the real world. Game. Real world. Think about it. Quote: If you can convince someone to give you access to their corp hanger in game and you steal it all? It's in-game. Accessing an account that you have no legal permission to access to do the same? Yeah, that's definitely an escalation. So it's perfectly 100% OK to steal everything of worth from somebody in game, but completely 100% evil, nasty, disgusting, criminal behavior to take the shortcut and simply log on to the account he has given me PERMISSION to access and take what I was going to in the long run, anyway? I'm not saying CCP doesn't have the right to ban me for breaking the rules, but I think it was harsh, considering the landscape of the game. Had I done this in World of Warcraft I would have expected it from the get-go, and not done it, but Eve is all about criminality. They, obviously have to start banning somewhere, and I crossed their threshold, apparently. What is ridiculous, though, is you trying to convince yourself that this is vastly different than traditional in-game corp theft. That's alright. You can justify how you breaking into someone's real life account is no different than stealing digital items in game. CCP may support you creating an alt and putting it in an enemies corp to listen to their chat channels, but the moment you hack their computer and monitor their keystrokes, you've crossed the line. One is done through in-game mechanics. The other is done out of game. You seriously can't see the difference? Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 02:07:00 - [22] Seriously? Keep making up inane crap about "how" this happened. He gave me his info. I took advantage of it. The end. It's not like I dropped a virus in his email and maliciously brute forced my way in. He allowed me. Nothing, nothing was done in real life. How do you not comprehend this? Accounts aren't "real life". They are virtual. It's not illegal to log into somebody else's account. It's against the EULA, which means that CCP can (and will) do whatever they want to your account (which is actually their's, anyway). Good luck getting a cop to knock on my door with handcuffs, because I didn't break the law. Fyrewyre: Sounded like complaining to me. I apologize.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.03.20 02:17:00 - [23] Edited by: Akita T on 20/03/2009 02:20:07 Originally by: Deep Ivory Keep making up inane crap about "how" this happened. He gave me his info. I took advantage of it. The end. It's not like I dropped a virus in his email and maliciously brute forced my way in. He allowed me. He gave you his account info. That alone could be considered not ok from the start, but then again we can't possibly know if that's real or not, and neither can CCP. What you did afterwards with that info, well, that's the problem. If you would have done absolutely nothing but change skills for him, CCP would probably have never interveened. As long as nobody complains, it's all ok. BUT AS SOON AS ANYBODY COMPLAINS, absolutely ALL accounts that were involved in the process WILL get banned. Quote: It's not illegal to log into somebody else's account. It's against the EULA, which means that CCP can (and will) do whatever they want to your account And that's what they did... If anybody starts complaining about cops at the door or anything else, they are stupid as hell (or maybe citizens of the USofA and want to sue you). Heh. Quote: So it's perfectly 100% OK to steal everything of worth from somebody in game, but completely 100% evil, nasty, disgusting, criminal behavior to take the shortcut and simply log on to the account he has given me PERMISSION to access and take what I was going to in the long run, anyway? Pretty much, yeah. The line is drawn at impersonating another existing player (or CCP staff), or logging into their account - that's NOT ok, and will get you banned. Pretending to be some fictional player (one that doesn't exist), pretending to be the friend of an existing player, robbing everything blind through in-game means via the trust you gained - that's OK and nobody will do anything about it (well, nobody at CCP anyway). Delimitation line - very, very clear. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Gebher'el Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.03.20 02:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Deep Ivory and then they kept billing me for over 5 months before I noticed. While I agree it is poor customer support to ban an account and keep billing it, it is also STUPID to let something bill you for 5 months and not notice it. Not sure which is worse here. BTW I am willing to bet that CCP refunded the money if they where pressed about it. Originally by: Deep Ivory (I was banned for illegal account "sharing" because I emptied some guy's corp hanger/wallet with the account info he stupidly gave me. I should have known that was a no-no, but didn't think much of it considering the "anything goes" mentality held by the devs. I think fair punishment might have been returning of the items stolen and a two week ban. Instead I got a permanent ban for ALL my accounts, none [sans one] of which were involved in the event. On top of all that, my friend, who was merely the middleman whom I gave all the stolen items to, had all of his accounts banned too. Does this seem a little harsh to anybody else? All appeals were denied.) Actually know it is pretty light, you see the anything goes is for IN GAME, out of game it is called a crime and specifically tgheft of services. You could have been arrested and fined, possibly jailed. If you had in game with a character done this then that is not a real world crime. What you did was out of game and I applaud CCP for banning your ass and after making this post I think they should do it to this one too. In game priates are a pain but part of the game and I can accept them. Real world theives are S***and deserve much worse than banning. Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, God will be a light unto me.*
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 02:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 20/03/2009 02:20:07 Originally by: Deep Ivory Keep making up inane crap about "how" this happened. He gave me his info. I took advantage of it. The end. It's not like I dropped a virus in his email and maliciously brute forced my way in. He allowed me. we can't possibly know if that's real or not, and neither can CCP. Chat logs? It was all recorded. He had to go suddenly, so he gave me his info to finish the task we had started. But yes, the line is clear for those that know where the line is. That's not saying much, though. What I'm saying is that in a game of "anything goes" it's not completely out in left field to take for granted that everything, is indeed, fair game. He gave me info, I took advantage because I had been infiltrating the corp to rob him blind in the first place. It all happened fairly fast, so I honestly didn't give any consequences much thought. The point I'm trying to make is not that I shouldn't have been punished, but that I think the punishment was way too severe. Even if you think I deserved everything I got, how do you honestly condone my friend's accounts getting banned as well? He had nothing to do with any of it. He simply took the stolen goods to hold on to while I changed characters to reap the benefits of my "successful" infiltration. He didn't change accounts.
Galen Naranek Royal Navy Industries CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.20 02:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon That's alright. You can justify how you breaking into someone's real life account is no different than stealing digital items in game. CCP may support you creating an alt and putting it in an enemies corp to listen to their chat channels, but the moment you hack their computer and monitor their keystrokes, you've crossed the line. One is done through in-game mechanics. The other is done out of game. You seriously can't see the difference?[/quote From a moral standpoint, no. The only difference between in-game scamming and out-of-game scamming in this case was that one was against the EULA and one was not. End result was the same. It's like buying prescription drugs online without a prescription or buying them at the drug store with a prescription - one way is legal and one is not, but the end result is exactly the same and I can reasonably argue that they are morally equivalent. ___________________________________ That which kills me makes me deader
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 02:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Deep Ivory Accounts aren't "real life". They are virtual.
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:00:00 - [28] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Deep Ivory Accounts aren't "real life". They are virtual. Are you seriously disputing this? I think you should take a good, long look at that picture and consider reapplying it to your own post. Have you ever touched an Eve-Online account? What did it feel like? Could you sense the 0's and 1's via the electrical impulses or did it just fry your motherboard?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:03:00 - [29] Originally by: Deep Ivory I think you should take a good, long look at that picture and consider reapplying it to your own post. Have you ever touched an Eve-Online account? What did it feel like? Could you sense the 0's and 1's via the electrical impulses or did it just fry your motherboard? When was the last time you touched a bank account? How about you give me yours, I'll tell you what it feels like. Because, you know, accounts in computers aren't real. Are you seriously this stupid? - DesuSigs
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Deep Ivory I think you should take a good, long look at that picture and consider reapplying it to your own post. Have you ever touched an Eve-Online account? What did it feel like? Could you sense the 0's and 1's via the electrical impulses or did it just fry your motherboard? When was the last time you touched a bank account? How about you give me yours, I'll tell you what it feels like. Because, you know, accounts in computers aren't real. It's not a matter of it existing or not, it's a matter of it being virtual, which is what you are disputing with the use of somebody elses text and picture of some ambiguous anime chick you'd undoubtedly like to bang. Quote: Are you seriously this stupid? Here, I'll do a little detective work for you, since you like to argue the meaning of words that you don't understand. Originally by: "Merriam-Webster Dictionary" 3: of, relating to, or being a hypothetical particle whose existence is inferred from indirect evidence <virtual photons> ù *compare real* 4: being on or simulated on a computer or computer network <print or virtual books> <a virtual keyboard>: as a: occurring or existing primarily online <a virtual library> <virtual shopping> b: of, relating to, or existing within a virtual reality <a virtual world> <a virtual tour>
MC Purge	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:11:00 - [31] I'm struggling a bit here. I can't tell if you are complaining that you got banned because you violated the terms of the EULA and you're now ****ed because you got banned for doing something that it clearly states you will get banned for. Or are you complaining that you didn't notice that CCP was still billing you for 5 months. OH I SEE. IT'S A STEALTH BRAG POST!! You're so rich that you didn't even notice the tiny drops of money CCP was taking from you for all that time because of your piles of money that you swim in!! You could have just said that at the the start bro.
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:17:00 - [32] Originally by: MC Purge I'm struggling a bit here. I can't tell if you are complaining that you got banned because you violated the terms of the EULA and you're now ****ed because you got banned for doing something that it clearly states you will get banned for. Or are you complaining that you didn't notice that CCP was still billing you for 5 months. OH I SEE. IT'S A STEALTH BRAG POST!! You're so rich that you didn't even notice the tiny drops of money CCP was taking from you for all that time because of your piles of money that you swim in!! You could have just said that at the the start bro. You got me, sorry (In all honesty I'm very bad about double checking my statements. Not saying I wasn't partially to blame for this one for catching it sooner.) The topic is essentially about the successfulness of this game, which is why I offered an anecdote as to a possible reason CCP doesn't enjoy a higher subscription base. I only complained about the severity of my punishment. The rest of my posts have been defending myself from self-righteous trolls. Still nobody has come to explain to me how it's fair that my friend's accounts were banned.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Deep Ivory Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Deep Ivory I think you should take a good, long look at that picture and consider reapplying it to your own post. Have you ever touched an Eve-Online account? What did it feel like? Could you sense the 0's and 1's via the electrical impulses or did it just fry your motherboard? When was the last time you touched a bank account? How about you give me yours, I'll tell you what it feels like. Because, you know, accounts in computers aren't real. It's not a matter of it existing or not, it's a matter of it being virtual, which is what you are disputing with the use of somebody elses text and picture of some ambiguous anime chick you'd undoubtedly like to bang. Quote: Are you seriously this stupid? Here, I'll do a little detective work for you, since you like to argue the meaning of words that you don't understand. Originally by: "Merriam-Webster Dictionary" 3: of, relating to, or being a hypothetical particle whose existence is inferred from indirect evidence <virtual photons> ù *compare real* 4: being on or simulated on a computer or computer network <print or virtual books> <a virtual keyboard>: as a: occurring or existing primarily online <a virtual library> <virtual shopping> b: of, relating to, or existing within a virtual reality <a virtual world> <a virtual tour> What do you do when you purchase time to activate an account? What are you buying? Time. Time, and access to the game with that time. Rental, to oversimplify. But you are essentially purchasing a service. A service that is NO different than paying your cable bill, or DSL for internet. Simply because there is no DIRECT, PHYSICAL representation of that service, does not invalidate that service. You used someone else's time. The account, the service, is completely REAL. It's money spent that is liable to terms and conditions of the company, true. But those service contracts you sign to participate in EvE online are very similar to the one's you sign to get internet access, or use a network provider, etc. Fact is, there's not as much regulation of gaming yet. Not near as much as there is for cable connections or phone networks. But the service, itself, is a very real thing. You used someone elses service, against the rules of the company that provided that service, and were punished for it. In the states, there are laws that would and could criminally punish you for splicing your cable over to you're neighbors house, or letting multiple users connect remotely through your phone service. Those laws clearly haven't extended themselves into online services yet. The difference is not whether you steal items in game. That's moot. It's the accessing of the account that got you banned. It's the blatent disregard for the service contract you agreed to (though admittedly, the definition of 'contract' isn't so clear with the EULA and TOS agreements, but it does seem to be legally valid in many countries and states). There is a very big difference between 'in-game' and the account. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Eve's Ernie	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:23:00 - [34] Edited by: Eve''s Ernie on 20/03/2009 03:24:30 Next round... if CCP beat EA Canada? CCP vs Valve. I've played Eve for 5 years now, love CCP... yet even I'm going to have to trump with Valve for that one.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Deep Ivory Originally by: MC Purge I'm struggling a bit here. I can't tell if you are complaining that you got banned because you violated the terms of the EULA and you're now **ed because you got banned for doing something that it clearly states you will get banned for. Or are you complaining that you didn't notice that CCP was still billing you for 5 months. OH I SEE. IT'S A STEALTH BRAG POST!! You're so rich that you didn't even notice the tiny drops of money CCP was taking from you for all that time because of your piles of money that you swim in!! You could have just said that at the the start bro. You got me, sorry (In all honesty I'm very bad about double checking my statements. Not saying I wasn't partially to blame for this one for catching it sooner.) The topic is essentially about the successfulness of this game, which is why I offered an anecdote as to a possible reason CCP doesn't enjoy a higher subscription base. I only complained about the severity of my punishment. The rest of my posts have been defending myself from self-righteous trolls. Still nobody has come to explain to me how it's fair that my friend's accounts were banned. You broke CCP's rules. You talked your friend (or lied to your friend, either way showing that you aren't much of a friend) to essentially help you break those rules. C'mon. Originally by:** 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Deep Ivory Red herring, ad hominem. 3: of, relating to, or being a hypothetical particle whose existence is inferred from indirect evidence <virtual photons> ù *compare real* 4: being on or simulated on a computer or computer network <print or virtual books> <a virtual keyboard>: as a: occurring or existing primarily online <a virtual library> <virtual shopping> b: of, relating to, or existing within a virtual reality <a virtual world> <a virtual tour> The physical existence of something has no bearing on whether it can have rights or crimes associated with it. Attempting to change the context of the argument shows that you either know you are wrong, or understand what is being discussed even less than suspected. Your bank account. The Easter Bunny. Neither are physical. One is real. The other isn't. Get it? By the way, I particularly like that you highlighted the comparison between real and virtual particles above, demonstrating that you do not understand that in that context both the real and virtual do actually exist. Thus you confirm that it is you who do not understand what is real and what is not, and that 'virtual' can refer to things which are, in a more general sense of the word, 'real'. Don't just shoot yourself in the foot, blow the whole leg off, eh? - DesuSigs
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Eve's Ernie Edited by: Eve''s Ernie on 20/03/2009 03:24:30 Next round... if CCP beat EA Canada? CCP vs Valve. I've played Eve for 5 years now, love CCP... yet even I'm going to have to trump with Valve for that one. Yeah ... kinda stacked odds there. Neither EA nor CCP weigh that highly. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Eve's Ernie Edited by: Eve''s Ernie on 20/03/2009 03:24:30 Next round... if CCP beat EA Canada? CCP vs Valve. I've played Eve for 5 years now, love CCP... yet even I'm going to have to trump with Valve for that one. Easy. Steam means Valve loses to everyone. - DesuSigs
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:41:00 - [39] Steam is good now though.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Asuka Smith Steam is good now though. Having to go online to play offline games will never be good. Paying more to get less will never be good. Games which magically disappear at the distributor's whim will never be good. Etc etc. - DesuSigs
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:56:00 - [41] Sigh. Ok, where to begin. Originally by: Crumplecorn The physical existence of something has no bearing on whether it can have rights or crimes associated with it. Attempting to change the context of the argument shows that you either know you are wrong, or understand what is being discussed even less than suspected. I'm not "changing the context of the argument". I'm simply defending myself from your random attack against my definition of what is virtual and what is not. You made a fool out of yourself by inadvertently claiming an account wasn't virtual, and now you are making a big argument over it, which somehow invalidates all my previous ones. /boggle Not to mention that there literally ARE no rights or crimes associated with it. Not because it's virtual, but because it's a game. Maybe I should have made that more clear, but it's obvious you are just arguing semantics here. Quote: By the way, I particularly like that you highlighted the comparison between real and virtual particles above, demonstrating that you do not understand that in that context both the real and virtual do actually exist. Yet another word you do not understand. "Compare" is the kicker here. As in, the opposite of. Hot, compare cold. Black, compare white. Virtual, compare real. Quote: Your bank account. The Easter Bunny. Neither are physical. One is real. The other isn't. Get it? A bank account is real in the way there is cold hard cash somewhere affirming its existence. An Eve-Online account could only be considered "real" in the way that there are servers somewhere affirming its existence. These servers, however, could just as easily be used to store kiddie ** as to your virtual account. Quote: Thus you confirm that it is you who do not understand what is real and what is not, and that 'virtual' can refer to things which are, in a more general sense of the word, 'real'. Don't just shoot yourself in the foot, blow the whole leg off, eh? Thus you confirm that you hold zero capacity to argue but instead can only reply with clichTd insults. See, I can do it too! Originally by:** "Ruze Ahkor'Murkon" What do you do when you purchase time to activate an account? What are you buying?[...] Your entire argument is invalidated by the fact that I can quite legally go to my neighbors house (with his permission), turn on his TV, and watch the premium cable channels he has paid for. Originally by: "Ruze Ahkor'Murkon" You broke CCP's rules. You talked your friend (or lied to your friend, either way showing that you aren't much of a friend) to essentially help you break those rules. C'mon. He didn't break any rules.
Eraza Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:58:00 - [42] actually steam has considerably less copy protection then most cd's/dvd's you can find in stores, and offline mode works for over 95% of games there(seriously, i own over 200 games on steam) offline mode however, is not automatic, and you might need to actually read some menus and yes, steam was total **** in the beginning, it is however not anymore still, i think ccp is doomed with the next one, even if all eve players voted, and thought eve was loads better then the half life series, i'm expecting to see at least 80% of the voters not even know who ccp are also the guy that got banned, mabey you should read the EULA :) even if you are too slow to understand that there is a huge difference between hijacking someones account, regardless of how you got the login, and fooling him ingame, then i'm pretty sure the EULA makes it clear that that's just going to get you an unavoidable ban --- return the mines!
Eraza Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes	Posted - 2009.03.20 04:04:00 - [43] oh, and on the friend that got banned along with you, if he knew the items were stolen by account, and not ingame, then he should have known that would get him banned, if he really didnt know, that completely sucks.. --- return the mines!
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.03.20 04:05:00 - [44] To the guy who will not shut up about the injustices of him being banned and his friend... You deserved it. Shut up. Seriously, you are killing what could be a great thread with your pointless *****ing and moaning about how a EULA violation should result in the explicitly stated actions written out in the EULA.
Eraza Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes	Posted - 2009.03.20 04:07:00 - [45] on a side note, on the "if you whine enough they'll change it" sig, the AUTOPILOT, is one such feature, which wasnt in ccp's orginal plan, not even the route plotter was in that plan... man i remember how much that changed, to be able to travel in eve, without a massive .jpg route map of eve... oof.. how many times i got lost just because i thought i remembered the way.. :P --- return the mines!
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 04:16:00 - [46] Originally by: Asuka Smith To the guy who will not shut up about the injustices of him being banned and his friend... You deserved it. Shut up. Seriously, you are killing what could be a great thread with your pointless ***ing and moaning about how a EULA violation should result in the explicitly stated actions written out in the EULA. Ok. You're right. Continue discussing the close race between EA Canada and CCP. This sure is going places. I better not take up any more valuable real estate here. I sincerely apologize. As far as what's explicitly stated in the EULA, neither "ban" nor "closure" is explicitly stated. Would be nice if people who expected that every person read every part of the EULA before clicking accept, you know, actually** read every word of the EULA before complaining. Probably asking too much, there.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.03.20 04:46:00 - [47] Okay I guess "severe action" counted as explicit in my mind. Two weeks of a ban is not a severe action.
Markho Grahdier	Posted - 2009.03.20 04:47:00 - [48] As a regular porter (3500 and going) I have to say that threads involving competitions bring out the fanboys. If you take a look at the other threads on the site you'll find we are a fairly decent sort. I voted ccp anyway
Deep Ivory	Posted - 2009.03.20 04:52:00 - [49] Originally by: Asuka Smith Okay I guess "severe action" counted as explicit in my mind. Two weeks of a ban is not a severe action. Guess it's a good thing "severe" isn't in the EULA either.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 05:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Deep Ivory Originally by: Asuka Smith Okay I guess "severe action" counted as explicit in my mind. Two weeks of a ban is not a severe action. Guess it's a good thing "severe" isn't in the EULA either. As I'm sure you know, this is the rule you broke: Quote: B. Passwords and Names You will be asked to select a password during the registration process ("Password"). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password. You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVE. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. And this, of course, is where you were punished: Quote: B. By CCP for Breach or Misconduct i. Suspension of Account Without limiting CCP's rights or remedies, CCP may immediately, and without notice, discontinue or suspend access to the System through your Account, and any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the discontinued or suspended Account, in the event of (i) a breach of the EULA (including the Rules of Conduct) by you or any user under your Account; or (ii) unauthorized access to the System or use of the Game by you or any user under your Account. And again, listed here: Quote: ii. Termination of EULA CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the subscription fee when due; (ii) CCP is unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide; (iii) you or anyone using any of your Accounts materially breaches the EULA, makes any unauthorized use of the System or Software, or infringes the rights of CCP or any third party; or (iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct. Such termination shall be effective upon notice transmitted via electronic mail, or any other means reasonably calculated to reach you. And in relation to the point that you may see THIS account banned, there's this: Quote: CCP reserves the right to terminate any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the closed Account. Termination by CCP under this section shall be without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP's other rights or remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative. You will not receive a refund of prepaid subscription fees for a termination pursuant to this section. All this is listed in the EULA. For a quick read, check under 'EvE Support', 'Game Policies' and 'EULA' on the left hand side. That's if you don't know, which I'm sure you're well aware. But you've admitted you knew you broke the rules. So you thought the punishment for a direct violation of the EULA (which is largely used to address out-of-game things like licensing rights, isk/item sellers, dislaimers, and legal issues with kids logging into EvE). Simply clarifying that 'know your EULA' works both ways. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 05:10:00 - [51] Forgive me for continuing on this, but I just remembered that there is also a clearly listed 'Ban Policy', which remarkably makes sure to include this: Quote: 2. HACKING An immediate permanent ban of an account may result from attempting to or successfully: * a. Interfering with the performance of the EVE Online servers or web site. b.Defrauding another player of his account through use of misinformation or impersonating an EVE Online official. NOTE: No employee of CCP or one of its authorized representatives will ever ask for your password. Should someone claiming to be a CCP associate request your password, donÆt give it. Instead, notify the support team immediately by sending an in-game petition or by using the ôAsk a questionö form on our support website. Please retain all related documentation in the event it is needed during a possible investigation. * e. Obtaining unauthorized access to anotherÆs EVE Online account or account information. Funny, though. I kept trying to avoid calling what you did 'hacking his account'. But according to CCP, that's exactly what you did. Wierd, but whatever. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2009.03.20 05:56:00 - [52] Cleaned. Off-topic posts removed. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.20 06:15:00 - [53] So the escapist stole a fun idea from other websites and made it as boring as they could? Good lord, lol @ at them and lol @ anyone who thinks this means anything to anyone. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.03.20 06:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Vaal Erit So the escapist stole a fun idea from other websites and made it as boring as they could? Don't forget it's at least its second year _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.20 10:04:00 - [55] Originally by: Asuka Smith EA is actually turning out to be pretty legitimate lately. RA3 has received significant post-release support (and is a fun game), and Mirror's Edge was groundbreaking. EA has learned that releasing buggy games and not supporting them will lead to short-term profits but after a couple years no one will touch your products. CCP is going to learn that lesson eventually and I am sure if it was not for the developer corruption scandal and the constant bugs this game would have a million subscribers by now. One corrupt developer during the entire life of EVE is pretty damn good. Most other companies wouldn't say anything and quietly ask the dev to go. CCP went to the community, set up an internal investigation team to prevent further corruption, and disclosed information about the event. Mirror's Edge had good ideas about gameplay, but the writing was horribly childish, and Ubisoft has already made better parkour mechanics (Prince of Persia). EA has regularly abandoned support for their games without any regard to how many players are still actively playing, I still have no faith in them since they abandoned E&B, and Spore was a complete disaster. CCP on the other hand has kept expanding and supporting a game for 6 years after it went gold. EVE is niche game and it shows by the population, but CCP has done an amazing job with it, and more content is still on the way. I'm looking forward to what they will do with a more mainstream game like WoD. "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
Makenshi Drakonnen Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:17:00 - [56] Bear in mind many of the escapists community's only experience of CCP is Yahtzee's extremely poor review of EVE online whereas EA are much better known
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:23:00 - [57] CCP touts nearly 300k subscribers. Even assuming only 75% are individual subscribers, and that a mere 10% read the forums at all, that's still over 20k people that could sign up and vote for CCP/EVE if they wanted to. I see less than 1k votes for CCP there right now. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:26:00 - [58] Omg, so many CCP haters, down with ****ty EA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---------------------------
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:27:00 - [59] Originally by: Akita T sign up And therein lies the problem. - DesuSigs
Doomed Predator The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:37:00 - [60] Originally by: Asuka Smith EA is actually turning out to be pretty legitimate lately. RA3 has received significant post-release support (and is a fun game), and Mirror's Edge was groundbreaking. EA has learned that releasing buggy games and not supporting them will lead to short-term profits but after a couple years no one will touch your products. CCP is going to learn that lesson eventually and I am sure if it was not for the developer corruption scandal and the constant bugs this game would have a million subscribers by now. RA3 was totaly messed up,I suggest you play a mission or 2 from Ra2 and see what it should have been like. And looks like people will never get over that damn incident years back even when the dev left,the alliance destroyed(well, spy hit the FU button) and greater measures to insure it doesn't happen again. CCP is leading by 60ish votes,go CCP The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
Berious Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:42:00 - [61] Edited by: Berious on 20/03/2009 11:42:08 Originally by: Donovan Corelli Originally by: Crumplecorn Lots of CCP hate, did I miss a PR disaster at some point? Ghost Training and removal of classic client caused rabblerabble. Jacked the price of timecards way up also and gave us some PR spin about it being industry standard.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:44:00 - [62] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 20/03/2009 11:45:58 CCP is going to lose that one. There is no way console junkies with short attention span would ever favor EVE over titles like Need For Speed. And there are A LOT of console junkies out there. EDIT: It has nothing to do with quality of games nor recent CCP marketing fiascoes. It is all about who appeal to most gamers. Quite interestingly, games with the broadest appeal are generally also the ones I find most mind numbing. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:51:00 - [63] Originally by: Jowen Datloran console junkies Being primarily a console gamer, I take offence at this remark, however accurate it may be. - DesuSigs
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.20 12:56:00 - [64] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jowen Datloran console junkies Being primarily a console gamer, I take offence at this remark, however accurate it may be. orly? 360, ps3, or both? warp drive active \| nature vraie
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jowen Datloran console junkies Being primarily a console gamer, I take offence at this remark, however accurate it may be. orly? 360, ps3, or both? PS3, ofc. I may be a console gamer, but I still have taste. - DesuSigs
Irida Mershkov Gallente Shadowsun Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:05:00 - [66] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jowen Datloran console junkies Being primarily a console gamer, I take offence at this remark, however accurate it may be. orly? 360, ps3, or both? PS3, ofc. I may be a console gamer, but I still have taste. >PS3 >Taste
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:09:00 - [67] Originally by: Irida Mershkov >PS3 >Taste [best be trolling] Best be joking. - DesuSigs
Irida Mershkov Gallente Shadowsun Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:15:00 - [68] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Irida Mershkov >PS3 >Taste [best be trolling] Best be joking. Honestly, i've been looking for a reason to post that image for an hour now. This was the best I could get.
Ginako	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:23:00 - [69] Current Poll as of 9:20 AM is: CCP - 51.6% (991) EA Canada - 48.4% (929) Gonna be Real close... -------------- Flying Minmatar is like strapping yourself to an office chair and firing Uzi's as you roll down a flight of stairs!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:48:00 - [70] Originally by: Akita T CCP touts nearly 300k subscribers. Even assuming only 75% are individual subscribers, and that a mere 10% read the forums at all, that's still over 20k people that could sign up and vote for CCP/EVE if they wanted to. I see less than 1k votes for CCP there right now. Why should I register at some random site I don't care about to vote on a stupid internet poll I don't care about? Write a register macro to register 5,000x and vote for CCP 5,000x if you care so much. The real vote is shown just to the right off the "password" box when I log into the game.
Advice Dog	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:59:00 - [71] Originally by: Asuka Smith EA is actually turning out to be pretty legitimate lately. RA3 has received significant post-release support (and is a fun game), and Mirror's Edge was groundbreaking. EA has learned that releasing buggy games and not supporting them will lead to short-term profits but after a couple years no one will touch your products. CCP is going to learn that lesson eventually and I am sure if it was not for the developer corruption scandal and the constant bugs this game would have a million subscribers by now. Are you actually reading this **e before you post? EA have released years of bug filled with the odd gem in and support is sparse at best. Eve is being constantly upgraded with a giant team of people supporting it, not to mention breaking new ground as far as MMO's are concerned. I dare you to name 1 other game that gets upgraded every 6 months, let alone 1 other game that is even half as vast and involved as Eve you whiney **tard... Also, developer scandal.... Madoffs ponzi scheme, that was a scandal, Fred the Shreds pension, that is a scandal, cash for questions, that is a scandal. Some guy on internet spaceships giving out imaginary blueprints to his mates is not in any way and never will be a scandal you whiney little femal dog.
Bethulsunamen Viziam	Posted - 2009.03.20 14:29:00 - [72] Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 20/03/2009 14:29:34 Rofl how the hell can EA be tied with CCP? Wow... I guess people really liked NFS Carbon and the like. And RA3 wasnt fun, it was made by people who ejaculate prematurely, why else would they design a game where every match ends in 2 minutes? Comedy grammar fail is fail at comedy..
Irida Mershkov Gallente Shadowsun Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.20 14:52:00 - [73] Originally by: Bethulsunamen Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 20/03/2009 14:29:34 Rofl how the hell can EA be tied with CCP? Wow... I guess people really liked NFS Carbon and the like. And RA3 wasnt fun, it was made by people who ejaculate prematurely, why else would they design a game where every match ends in 2 minutes? Don't play competitive online then? I play with friends and we usually get good long games going. But to be honest, no matter how much you change a C&C game, they'll always come down to tank rushan.
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2009.03.20 15:16:00 - [74] Edited by: Zaknussem on 20/03/2009 15:16:46 Originally by: Xailia One corrupt developer during the entire life of EVE is pretty damn good. And you're pretty darn naive if you think that's all there is to it. For every one corrupt individual that's discovered within a group, any group, there are at least three others that go undiscovered. Sports, politics, religion, small software company in the middle of nowhere, it doesn't matter. It applies equally everywhere. The real question then is, naturally, what are we not seeing? On the subject of the poll, I'll only say this: If CCP were up against one of the developing teams under EIDOS, CCP would win in a heartbeat. EA may be bad, but there are actually worse publishers out there at the moment.
Ginako	Posted - 2009.03.20 15:39:00 - [75] How long does the Voting go on for? -------------- Flying Minmatar is like strapping yourself to an office chair and firing Uzi's as you roll down a flight of stairs!
dregonar	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:33:00 - [76] Gotta love this video that escapist has about eve http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online In some ways painfully true but the way it was put was simply brilliant imo :D Laughed for 8 minutes out of the 5
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:38:00 - [77] I believe that CCP will win the first round, but look who will win the round after that. Valve has a bigger player base, I bet that CCP will loose the second round. Sad ---
Ginako	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:40:00 - [78] Originally by: dregonar Gotta love this video that escapist has about eve http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online In some ways painfully true but the way it was put was simply brilliant imo :D Laughed for 8 minutes out of the 5 Fixed -------------- Flying Minmatar is like strapping yourself to an office chair and firing Uzi's as you roll down a flight of stairs!
Ginako	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:42:00 - [79] Originally by: Zex Maxwell I believe that CCP will win the first round, but look who will win the round after that. Valve has a bigger player base, I bet that CCP will loose the second round. Sad Depends how many Xbox 360 TF2 & Left 4 Dead players read Escapist. The amount of time it took them to get the Left 4 Dead patch out and the extras for TF2 (Is it even out yet? I havnt checked) has made that player base super angry. -------------- Flying Minmatar is like strapping yourself to an office chair and firing Uzi's as you roll down a flight of stairs!
rValdez5987 Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:43:00 - [80] Originally by: Asuka Smith I hope a CCP developer looks at that poll and see that they are BARELY maintaining a two-digit lead over mother**ing EA. That has got to put a damper on their day. The majority of people voting against CCP are unqualified to even vote imo. I see people label EVE as a "ty game" when chances are they logged in for maybe a 14 day trial, found that it's not like WoW, EVE has consquences, got blown up being STUPID, and logged out saying "ty game penalized me for being A *ING MORON" and of course logged into their WoW characters with full epics etc etc etc HURL
Callista Sincera	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:43:00 - [81] Edited by: Callista Sincera on 20/03/2009 17:43:34 Meh, valve > id ? The poll lost its credibility there :)
rValdez5987 Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:48:00 - [82] Originally by: Zaknussem Edited by: Zaknussem on 20/03/2009 15:16:46 Originally by: Xailia One corrupt developer during the entire life of EVE is pretty damn good. And you're pretty darn naive if you think that's all there is to it. For every one corrupt individual that's discovered within a group, any group, there are at least three others that go undiscovered. Sports, politics, religion, small software company in the middle of nowhere, it doesn't matter. It applies equally everywhere. The real question then is, naturally, what are we not seeing? On the subject of the poll, I'll only say this: If CCP were up against one of the developing teams under EIDOS, CCP would win in a heartbeat. EA may be bad, but there are actually worse publishers out there at the moment. Theres a website that deals in regard to this, but you have to discover its location just like the rest of us. :P But seriously haven't you even noticed my post already ended and your reading my sig?
Chomin H'ak Integrated Takeovers	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:33:00 - [83] Originally by: rValdez5987 Originally by: Asuka Smith I hope a CCP developer looks at that poll and see that they are BARELY maintaining a two-digit lead over mother**ing EA. That has got to put a damper on their day. The majority of people voting against CCP are unqualified to even vote imo. I see people label EVE as a "ty game" when chances are they logged in for maybe a 14 day trial, found that it's not like WoW, EVE has consquences, got blown up being STUPID, and logged out saying "ty game penalized me for being A *ING MORON" and of course logged into their WoW characters with full epics etc etc etc HURL If I gave a rat's ass, I'd vote against CCP. 2 years here. Love Eve, hate CCP. They're about as loyal to their players as a bank is to its constituents. Borked and buggy releases, internal theft/corruption. And the changing tales of when, where and what is coming. It's not the players' game anymore, folks. It's theirs. Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise. My Blog - Fighting for Eden
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jowen Datloran console junkies Being primarily a console gamer, I take offence at this remark, however accurate it may be. orly? 360, ps3, or both? PS3, ofc. I may be a console gamer, but I still have taste. Bolded the parts where yee bee wrong. 360 4tw. Though PC > all. ---------------------------
Bay Blue	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:55:00 - [85] 'Meh CCP since Eve seems to be doing better lately...' Is this the best quote on there? Since when was there ever a since EVE, it is there only product isn't it?
Something Random Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.03.20 19:28:00 - [86] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Akita T sign up And therein lies the problem. /signed .... erm.... unsigned up Hell! more emails i dont want, no thanks.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.03.20 19:32:00 - [87] Originally by: Xailia One corrupt developer during the entire life of EVE is pretty damn good. Most other companies wouldn't say anything and quietly ask the dev to go. CCP went to the community, set up an internal investigation team to prevent further corruption, and disclosed information about the event. One developer that we know of, and if I recall CCP did say nothing until a certain guy whos name shows up as ********* on the forums (they censored it lol) hacked into CCP's ** and revealed the truth. Only after it hit Slash did CCP respond. The "IA" division is likely imaginary and they just tout it around to make us feel good... If your yard is full of molehills and you decide to kill the moles, do you shoot one and call it good? Or is a yard full of molehills more likely to be a systemic problem where there are a half dozen moles at the least? On the day the scandal broke CCP deleted every thread that mentioned it until it was obvious that that was doing them more harm than good. CCP was all about damage control from the start on the developer cheating scandal. Why do you think their in-game characters are secret? If they had nothing to hide they would not hide.
Something Random Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.03.20 19:37:00 - [88] /flicks asukas ear
Azirapheal Amarr Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.20 19:44:00 - [89] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Asuka Smith I am sure if it was not for the developer corruption scandal and the constant bugs this game would have a million subscribers by now. And we'd all enjoy not being able to log in. yeah jesus. i remember when 12k was the sunday peak... not the 5am tuesday average. the 40+k we have simultaneously on ONE server is groundbreaking in its own right. no 50/servers some with pvp some without. i put something on market you all can see it and buy it, i love this game but would hate to see it crowd to the point that it just becomes a hyper inflationary lagfest (imagine the isk generated by 955000 more players and how high that would send prices.) even in losec we would have jita-esque traffic problems. im no CCP fanboy. they have however produced the only true sandbox game i know. and havent banned me for podkilling or scamming yet :D
Xaen Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.20 19:58:00 - [90] Originally by: Donovan Corelli Originally by: Crumplecorn Lots of CCP hate, did I miss a PR disaster at some point? Ghost Training and removal of classic client caused rabblerabble. I'm still bitter over the user-hating cluster ---- that is the client UI. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Chomin H'ak Integrated Takeovers	Posted - 2009.03.20 20:11:00 - [91] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Xailia One corrupt developer during the entire life of EVE is pretty damn good. Most other companies wouldn't say anything and quietly ask the dev to go. CCP went to the community, set up an internal investigation team to prevent further corruption, and disclosed information about the event. One developer that we know of, and if I recall CCP did say nothing until a certain guy whos name shows up as ********* on the forums (they censored it lol) hacked into CCP's and revealed the truth. Only after it hit Slash did CCP respond. The "IA" division is likely imaginary and they just tout it around to make us feel good... If your yard is full of molehills and you decide to kill the moles, do you shoot one and call it good? Or is a yard full of molehills more likely to be a systemic problem where there are a half dozen moles at the least? On the day the scandal broke CCP deleted every thread that mentioned it until it was obvious that that was doing them more harm than good. CCP was all about damage control from the start on the developer cheating scandal. Why do you think their in-game characters are secret? If they had nothing to hide they would not hide. This Originally by:** Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise. My Blog - Fighting for Eden

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