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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:33:00 -
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Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:33:00 -
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Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:36:00 -
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read sig.
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Gafton
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:36:00 -
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read sig.
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
slothe
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:37:00 -
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well..
i have a picture of fisty (rona kia) blockading torrinos gate in ec-p8r earlier today with tps (the pirate syndicate).
the last time i fought with fisty was AGAINST these guys :/
so whats happenin?
seems like most of eve is going pro pirate #sigh#
Has no-one got any morals?
well....
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
slothe
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:37:00 -
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well..
i have a picture of fisty (rona kia) blockading torrinos gate in ec-p8r earlier today with tps (the pirate syndicate).
the last time i fought with fisty was AGAINST these guys :/
so whats happenin?
seems like most of eve is going pro pirate #sigh#
Has no-one got any morals?
well....
Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com
or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public"
http://www.khainestar.com/eve |
Tiridia
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:46:00 -
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 Quote:
well..
i have a picture of fisty (rona kia) blockading torrinos gate in ec-p8r earlier today with tps (the pirate syndicate).
the last time i fought with fisty was AGAINST these guys :/
so whats happenin?
seems like most of eve is going pro pirate #sigh#
Has no-one got any morals?
well....
Morals ?. i have watched threads about this war. YOU amongst FU , COD turned your back at PA wbecouse you were to afraid to face RKK and evol. basicly all of eve is ageinst this alliance now Pa that is. so im not surprised that they try to make a non-shoot-at polacy with one of the alliances in the are. in my exp. Pirates are the most trustworthy players in the game.
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Tiridia
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:46:00 -
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Quote:
well..
i have a picture of fisty (rona kia) blockading torrinos gate in ec-p8r earlier today with tps (the pirate syndicate).
the last time i fought with fisty was AGAINST these guys :/
so whats happenin?
seems like most of eve is going pro pirate #sigh#
Has no-one got any morals?
well....
Morals ?. i have watched threads about this war. YOU amongst FU , COD turned your back at PA wbecouse you were to afraid to face RKK and evol. basicly all of eve is ageinst this alliance now Pa that is. so im not surprised that they try to make a non-shoot-at polacy with one of the alliances in the are. in my exp. Pirates are the most trustworthy players in the game.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 18/08/2004 23:01:28
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 18/08/2004 23:00:39
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
Personal opinion:
Yes, we shoot at m0o/RKK/Evol
Add to that LoD and Snigg and assorted riffraff
So we are still fighting pirates
However, due to the increasing numbers of pirate corps we have to do this on a "first come, first serve" basis.
We are currently having a large campaign at the above corporations and can not take on more targets at the moment.
We hope for Celestial Apocalyps to come and assist us in the fight against m0o + allies like Evol and RKK.
I have been stationary in Venal for ~3 months fighting the above targets. Only occasionally do I zip through PB to make a empirerun. Today I did not encounter any of these new TPS pirates. But little would it have mattered since I was in a shuttle.
Your reasons for posting this are a bit obscure.
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 18/08/2004 23:01:28
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 18/08/2004 23:00:39
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
Personal opinion:
Yes, we shoot at m0o/RKK/Evol
Add to that LoD and Snigg and assorted riffraff
So we are still fighting pirates
However, due to the increasing numbers of pirate corps we have to do this on a "first come, first serve" basis.
We are currently having a large campaign at the above corporations and can not take on more targets at the moment.
We hope for Celestial Apocalyps to come and assist us in the fight against m0o + allies like Evol and RKK.
I have been stationary in Venal for ~3 months fighting the above targets. Only occasionally do I zip through PB to make a empirerun. Today I did not encounter any of these new TPS pirates. But little would it have mattered since I was in a shuttle.
Your reasons for posting this are a bit obscure.
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:59:00 -
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we killed 2 snigg bs's a week ago when we made a pit stop in EC, kill teddybears when we see them, jokers in roir, tps when they enter venal (likewise when we enter vale) so???????
Are you still anti-pirate? Are you even still mercs?
Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella  |
LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.18 22:59:00 -
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we killed 2 snigg bs's a week ago when we made a pit stop in EC, kill teddybears when we see them, jokers in roir, tps when they enter venal (likewise when we enter vale) so???????
Are you still anti-pirate? Are you even still mercs?
Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella |
Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Beatrice on 18/08/2004 23:04:51
I think the point here is that the PA is already having to deal with pirate factions such as RKK, Evol, and mOo, therefore they dont want to make any more enmies than they have to. The philosophy of not biting off more than one can chew applies here, and it seems the PA has done a pretty good job of chewing on you.
Although I'm not even remotely in the region, from my observances, the PA are on the moral high ground here, so I have to lean towards supporting their beliefs. They're defending their home. You lay in bed with the worst scum of eve to conquer them. It's a devil's bargain on both sides.
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Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Beatrice on 18/08/2004 23:04:51
I think the point here is that the PA is already having to deal with pirate factions such as RKK, Evol, and mOo, therefore they dont want to make any more enmies than they have to. The philosophy of not biting off more than one can chew applies here, and it seems the PA has done a pretty good job of chewing on you.
Although I'm not even remotely in the region, from my observances, the PA are on the moral high ground here, so I have to lean towards supporting their beliefs. They're defending their home. You lay in bed with the worst scum of eve to conquer them. It's a devil's bargain on both sides.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: SlightlyMad
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 18/08/2004 23:01:28
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 18/08/2004 23:00:39
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
Personal opinion:
Yes, we shoot at m0o/RKK/Evol
Add to that LoD and Snigg and assorted riffraff
So we are still fighting pirates
However, due to the increasing numbers of pirate corps we have to do this on a "first come, first serve" basis.
We are currently having a large campaign at the above corporations and can not take on more targets at the moment.
We hope for Celestial Apocalyps to come and assist us in the fight against m0o + allies like Evol and RKK.
I have been stationary in Venal for ~3 months fighting the above targets. Only occasionally do I zip through PB to make a empirerun. Today I did not encounter any of these new TPS pirates. But little would it have mattered since I was in a shuttle.
Your reasons for posting this are a bit obscure.
So your not fighting the biggest pirates in the game and you expect CELESTto come into venal to fight rkk/evol/moo rather than fight TPS?
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: SlightlyMad
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 18/08/2004 23:01:28
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 18/08/2004 23:00:39
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
Personal opinion:
Yes, we shoot at m0o/RKK/Evol
Add to that LoD and Snigg and assorted riffraff
So we are still fighting pirates
However, due to the increasing numbers of pirate corps we have to do this on a "first come, first serve" basis.
We are currently having a large campaign at the above corporations and can not take on more targets at the moment.
We hope for Celestial Apocalyps to come and assist us in the fight against m0o + allies like Evol and RKK.
I have been stationary in Venal for ~3 months fighting the above targets. Only occasionally do I zip through PB to make a empirerun. Today I did not encounter any of these new TPS pirates. But little would it have mattered since I was in a shuttle.
Your reasons for posting this are a bit obscure.
So your not fighting the biggest pirates in the game and you expect CELESTto come into venal to fight rkk/evol/moo rather than fight TPS?
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:05:00 -
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oh yeah they are allied with us thats why they took my bs down to structure, lucky i made the gate 
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:05:00 -
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oh yeah they are allied with us thats why they took my bs down to structure, lucky i made the gate
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gafton
read sig.Piracy itself is a meaningless term, of use only to smear to be honest. It gets rolled out by intellectually challenged people as a crutch to support crippled arguments."
~Jade Constantine (Posted - 2004.06.19)
Yes the world of eve is not Black and White, we used to think it was but now we understand it not, thu RKK are no longer know as 'anti-pirates'
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gafton
read sig.Piracy itself is a meaningless term, of use only to smear to be honest. It gets rolled out by intellectually challenged people as a crutch to support crippled arguments."
~Jade Constantine (Posted - 2004.06.19)
Yes the world of eve is not Black and White, we used to think it was but now we understand it not, thu RKK are no longer know as 'anti-pirates'
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
A question for RKK are you guys still Anti-pirate. If so i hate to say it but you fly with pirates so you suck as a anti pirate corp.
As slightlymad stated we are all still anti pirate we will all still hunt down pirates but atm we have enough to kill with m0o, evol and all the gimps that decided to attack us at the same time.
At least TPS have never been friends that turned around and attacked old m8's unlike Hmmmmmmmm Every single person you fly with.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
A question for RKK are you guys still Anti-pirate. If so i hate to say it but you fly with pirates so you suck as a anti pirate corp.
As slightlymad stated we are all still anti pirate we will all still hunt down pirates but atm we have enough to kill with m0o, evol and all the gimps that decided to attack us at the same time.
At least TPS have never been friends that turned around and attacked old m8's unlike Hmmmmmmmm Every single person you fly with.
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 18/08/2004 23:14:14
Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 18/08/2004 23:10:31
Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 18/08/2004 23:07:41
Sun Ra: I wonder how you could post that from your gang with m0o/evol in BKG without choking on your own sense of irony.
Oh and in regards to the above mentioned "i have a pic of PA flying in blockades with TPS". Well, post it. I'm sure we could easily fill this messageboard with the pics of Snigg, m0o, Fu, CoD, JF, RKK pilots all flying together.
We and TPS keep eachother out of one anothers space routinly. The only corp I have seen fighting m0o from the NCA is BNC. One corp in 85. You guys are just awsome.
Actually why the hell did I even bother replying, this stinks so badly of flamebait and attempts to make the PA look "evil" its hard to take a breath.
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 18/08/2004 23:14:14
Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 18/08/2004 23:10:31
Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 18/08/2004 23:07:41
Sun Ra: I wonder how you could post that from your gang with m0o/evol in BKG without choking on your own sense of irony.
Oh and in regards to the above mentioned "i have a pic of PA flying in blockades with TPS". Well, post it. I'm sure we could easily fill this messageboard with the pics of Snigg, m0o, Fu, CoD, JF, RKK pilots all flying together.
We and TPS keep eachother out of one anothers space routinly. The only corp I have seen fighting m0o from the NCA is BNC. One corp in 85. You guys are just awsome.
Actually why the hell did I even bother replying, this stinks so badly of flamebait and attempts to make the PA look "evil" its hard to take a breath.
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Galavet on 18/08/2004 23:20:52
Originally by: LLeBRing
we killed 2 snigg bs's a week ago when we made a pit stop in EC, kill teddybears when we see them, jokers in roir, tps when they enter venal (likewise when we enter vale) so???????
Are you still anti-pirate? Are you even still mercs?
TBH LLeBring the last merc contract we took was against your ALT PIRATE CORP THAT WAS ATTACKING A MAJOR EMPIRE CORP FOR THE FUN OF IT. Anyone remember Hells Angles or whatever the name was  .
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Galavet on 18/08/2004 23:20:52
Originally by: LLeBRing
we killed 2 snigg bs's a week ago when we made a pit stop in EC, kill teddybears when we see them, jokers in roir, tps when they enter venal (likewise when we enter vale) so???????
Are you still anti-pirate? Are you even still mercs?
TBH LLeBring the last merc contract we took was against your ALT PIRATE CORP THAT WAS ATTACKING A MAJOR EMPIRE CORP FOR THE FUN OF IT. Anyone remember Hells Angles or whatever the name was .
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Galavet on 18/08/2004 23:20:26
Originally by: Artegg
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
A question for RKK are you guys still Anti-pirate. If so i hate to say it but you fly with pirates so you suck as a anti pirate corp.
As slightlymad stated we are all still anti pirate we will all still hunt down pirates but atm we have enough to kill with m0o, evol and all the gimps that decided to attack us at the same time.
At least TPS have never been friends that turned around and attacked old m8's unlike Hmmmmmmmm Every single person you fly with.
You guys sucked as a pirate corp
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Galavet on 18/08/2004 23:20:26
Originally by: Artegg
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
A question for RKK are you guys still Anti-pirate. If so i hate to say it but you fly with pirates so you suck as a anti pirate corp.
As slightlymad stated we are all still anti pirate we will all still hunt down pirates but atm we have enough to kill with m0o, evol and all the gimps that decided to attack us at the same time.
At least TPS have never been friends that turned around and attacked old m8's unlike Hmmmmmmmm Every single person you fly with.
You guys sucked as a pirate corp
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: LLeBRing
we killed 2 snigg bs's a week ago when we made a pit stop in EC, kill teddybears when we see them, jokers in roir, tps when they enter venal (likewise when we enter vale) so???????
Are you still anti-pirate? Are you even still mercs?
So u shoot snigg in EC but not TPS? thats soem double standard there.
No RKK are no longer anti-pirate re:answer to grafton & we fought hard to keep PB pirate free and got shat on for our troubles so we are no longer
Are we a merc corp still? maybe if the time/price is right 
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: LLeBRing
we killed 2 snigg bs's a week ago when we made a pit stop in EC, kill teddybears when we see them, jokers in roir, tps when they enter venal (likewise when we enter vale) so???????
Are you still anti-pirate? Are you even still mercs?
So u shoot snigg in EC but not TPS? thats soem double standard there.
No RKK are no longer anti-pirate re:answer to grafton & we fought hard to keep PB pirate free and got shat on for our troubles so we are no longer
Are we a merc corp still? maybe if the time/price is right
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
So your not fighting the biggest pirates in the game and you expect CELESTto come into venal to fight rkk/evol/moo rather than fight TPS?
It is not up to you to question our priorities
But we consider m0o + evol + RKK are being some of the biggest pirates in the game.
Thats one reason
The other reason is that said forces have completely wiped out PA in Venal. We are on our knees and have only strenght to run for our lives. Ask your CEO, he can confirm this. And have confirmed in several posts.
I'm sorry.. we have failed the EVE community. We became the prey and not the hunters 
On the note of Celest, I think I did read a post from Darth Solo that he would like to come up to Venal
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
So your not fighting the biggest pirates in the game and you expect CELESTto come into venal to fight rkk/evol/moo rather than fight TPS?
It is not up to you to question our priorities
But we consider m0o + evol + RKK are being some of the biggest pirates in the game.
Thats one reason
The other reason is that said forces have completely wiped out PA in Venal. We are on our knees and have only strenght to run for our lives. Ask your CEO, he can confirm this. And have confirmed in several posts.
I'm sorry.. we have failed the EVE community. We became the prey and not the hunters
On the note of Celest, I think I did read a post from Darth Solo that he would like to come up to Venal
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:17:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Galavet
TBH LLeBring the last merc contract we took was against your ALT PIRATE CORP THAT WAS ATTACKING A MAJOR EMPIRE CORP FOR THE FUN OF IT. Anyone remember Hells Angles or whatever the name was .
Quote:
Well that was probally the hardest contract you had i remember taking on a rkk tempest with 2 kessy and owning it and him having to call in 2 more battleships to help 
I hope Techell feel they got good value for money hiring you guys rofl.
and who cares if we have 2nd account charas in another Corp many people have that so STFU no one cares
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Galavet
TBH LLeBring the last merc contract we took was against your ALT PIRATE CORP THAT WAS ATTACKING A MAJOR EMPIRE CORP FOR THE FUN OF IT. Anyone remember Hells Angles or whatever the name was .
Quote:
Well that was probally the hardest contract you had i remember taking on a rkk tempest with 2 kessy and owning it and him having to call in 2 more battleships to help
I hope Techell feel they got good value for money hiring you guys rofl.
and who cares if we have 2nd account charas in another Corp many people have that so STFU no one cares
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:20:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Galavet
Originally by: Artegg
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
A question for RKK are you guys still Anti-pirate. If so i hate to say it but you fly with pirates so you suck as a anti pirate corp.
As slightlymad stated we are all still anti pirate we will all still hunt down pirates but atm we have enough to kill with m0o, evol and all the gimps that decided to attack us at the same time.
At least TPS have never been friends that turned around and attacked old m8's unlike Hmmmmmmmm Every single person you fly with.
You guys sucked as a pirate corp
I would have to agree with you as we have never been a priate corp
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:20:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Galavet
Originally by: Artegg
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
A question for RKK are you guys still Anti-pirate. If so i hate to say it but you fly with pirates so you suck as a anti pirate corp.
As slightlymad stated we are all still anti pirate we will all still hunt down pirates but atm we have enough to kill with m0o, evol and all the gimps that decided to attack us at the same time.
At least TPS have never been friends that turned around and attacked old m8's unlike Hmmmmmmmm Every single person you fly with.
You guys sucked as a pirate corp
I would have to agree with you as we have never been a priate corp
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Artegg
Originally by: Galavet
TBH LLeBring the last merc contract we took was against your ALT PIRATE CORP THAT WAS ATTACKING A MAJOR EMPIRE CORP FOR THE FUN OF IT. Anyone remember Hells Angles or whatever the name was .
Quote:
Well that was probally the hardest contract you had i remember taking on a rkk tempest with 2 kessy and owning it and him having to call in 2 more battleships to help
I hope Techell feel they got good value for money hiring you guys rofl.
and who cares if we have 2nd account charas in another Corp many people have that so STFU no one cares
Yeah but most of those people dont have mains that spew Anti pirate this and good guy that crap all day long in a corp that spews anti pirate and good guy crap all day long while logging on pirate alts to hunt nOObs in empire.....
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Artegg
Originally by: Galavet
TBH LLeBring the last merc contract we took was against your ALT PIRATE CORP THAT WAS ATTACKING A MAJOR EMPIRE CORP FOR THE FUN OF IT. Anyone remember Hells Angles or whatever the name was .
Quote:
Well that was probally the hardest contract you had i remember taking on a rkk tempest with 2 kessy and owning it and him having to call in 2 more battleships to help
I hope Techell feel they got good value for money hiring you guys rofl.
and who cares if we have 2nd account charas in another Corp many people have that so STFU no one cares
Yeah but most of those people dont have mains that spew Anti pirate this and good guy that crap all day long in a corp that spews anti pirate and good guy crap all day long while logging on pirate alts to hunt nOObs in empire.....
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Artegg on 18/08/2004 23:31:21
Ummmmmmm Wars are not pirating.
That is the most pathetic thing i have seen written on this board: Calling a empire war pirating ROFL you have just made my night
And most of those nOObs were in battleships we were in frigates with charas that were under 1 month old and one chara with a blackbird that was 6 months old.
Like i said this was probally the biggest challenge rkk had faced to that date
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Artegg on 18/08/2004 23:31:21
Ummmmmmm Wars are not pirating.
That is the most pathetic thing i have seen written on this board: Calling a empire war pirating ROFL you have just made my night
And most of those nOObs were in battleships we were in frigates with charas that were under 1 month old and one chara with a blackbird that was 6 months old.
Like i said this was probally the biggest challenge rkk had faced to that date
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:29:00 -
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What do you think the haulers you were downing called it, a good ole time???
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Galavet
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:29:00 -
[42]
What do you think the haulers you were downing called it, a good ole time???
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:32:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Galavet
What do you think the haulers you were downing called it, a good ole time???
ROFL we never killed a Techell hauler when we were at war with them...infact we never saw a techell ship
keep digging.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:32:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Galavet
What do you think the haulers you were downing called it, a good ole time???
ROFL we never killed a Techell hauler when we were at war with them...infact we never saw a techell ship
keep digging.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:38:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Beatrice
The philosophy of not biting off more than one can chew applies here, and it seems the PA has done a pretty good job of chewing on you.
Hahaha, useless alt.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:38:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Beatrice
The philosophy of not biting off more than one can chew applies here, and it seems the PA has done a pretty good job of chewing on you.
Hahaha, useless alt.
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Shadow Raver
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:43:00 -
[47]
stop throwing around celest as a threat to the other side please.. personaly i dont like that
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Shadow Raver
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:43:00 -
[48]
stop throwing around celest as a threat to the other side please.. personaly i dont like that
When The Man Behind The Blade Comes You Will Feel Pain |
Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:44:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Artegg
keep digging.
yeah keep digging yourself out of a bad situation artegg
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:44:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Artegg
keep digging.
yeah keep digging yourself out of a bad situation artegg
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:45:00 -
[51]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/08/2004 23:47:40
I see a lot of talk from the trolls trying to get the thread locked before we get an answer.
So let's make it simple.
Meyer Meyer, Illumino and Leafo of NSN.
How do you feel about PA forces stating TPS are neutral?
Ryan Routine, Fuffel and Uns33n of CE.
How do you feel about PA forces stating TPS are neutral?
I've heard Slightlymad's ramblings.
Now I want another member from oldskool BLADERUNNERS.
How do you feel about PA forces stating TPS are neutral?
EDIT: meyer meyer and I posted at the same time. However, the question remains since meyer meyer did not actually post anything apart from stating he is anti-pirate.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:45:00 -
[52]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/08/2004 23:47:40
I see a lot of talk from the trolls trying to get the thread locked before we get an answer.
So let's make it simple.
Meyer Meyer, Illumino and Leafo of NSN.
How do you feel about PA forces stating TPS are neutral?
Ryan Routine, Fuffel and Uns33n of CE.
How do you feel about PA forces stating TPS are neutral?
I've heard Slightlymad's ramblings.
Now I want another member from oldskool BLADERUNNERS.
How do you feel about PA forces stating TPS are neutral?
EDIT: meyer meyer and I posted at the same time. However, the question remains since meyer meyer did not actually post anything apart from stating he is anti-pirate.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Meyer Meyer
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:45:00 -
[53]
NSN OFFICIAL STATEMENT
Yes, North Star Networks agenda has always been anti-pirate.
This seems to us more or less like an attempt to miscredit NSN and our pilots.
If you truly want more information you can contact us in game.
//Meyer Meyer - Political Officer
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Meyer Meyer
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:45:00 -
[54]
NSN OFFICIAL STATEMENT
Yes, North Star Networks agenda has always been anti-pirate.
This seems to us more or less like an attempt to miscredit NSN and our pilots.
If you truly want more information you can contact us in game.
//Meyer Meyer - Political Officer
Someday I¦ll do you too... |
Darkrydar
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:46:00 -
[55]
Since you seem to care SO much about TEchell, where are the falems for Xanadu? They (being the slime of Eve) put moles (walking ****radiction and co.) into Techell then hired pirate corps to hurt them as they were rivals. Slimy business practices are their M.O. But, its clear you are some of the biggest hypocrites ever to even make this thread.
Besides, who care about pirates anyway? Only carebears and noobs label players pirates.
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:46:00 -
[56]
Since you seem to care SO much about TEchell, where are the falems for Xanadu? They (being the slime of Eve) put moles (walking ****radiction and co.) into Techell then hired pirate corps to hurt them as they were rivals. Slimy business practices are their M.O. But, its clear you are some of the biggest hypocrites ever to even make this thread.
Besides, who care about pirates anyway? Only carebears and noobs label players pirates.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:46:00 -
[57]
Basically, that's being said is this:
RKK are not anti-pirate AS SUCH (We have fought TPS recently). We fly with M0o. We do not, however, pirate ourselves.
PA say they are anti-pirate. And yet do not engage TPS, who are the biggest SELF-ADMITTED bunch of Pirates in the game.
We're being honest. You're not. This is the same old song from your side.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:46:00 -
[58]
Basically, that's being said is this:
RKK are not anti-pirate AS SUCH (We have fought TPS recently). We fly with M0o. We do not, however, pirate ourselves.
PA say they are anti-pirate. And yet do not engage TPS, who are the biggest SELF-ADMITTED bunch of Pirates in the game.
We're being honest. You're not. This is the same old song from your side.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:49:00 -
[59]
im not a blade anymore havnt been for a long time but for me bladerunners as it was died along time ago
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:49:00 -
[60]
im not a blade anymore havnt been for a long time but for me bladerunners as it was died along time ago
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:51:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Meyer Meyer
NSN OFFICIAL STATEMENT
Yes, North Star Networks agenda has always been anti-pirate.
This seems to us more or less like an attempt to miscredit NSN and our pilots.
If you truly want more information you can contact us in game.
//Meyer Meyer - Political Officer
Nono I was just bemused by arteggs statement that TPS are neutrals to PA when i know many PA corps still stand as anti-pirates
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:51:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Meyer Meyer
NSN OFFICIAL STATEMENT
Yes, North Star Networks agenda has always been anti-pirate.
This seems to us more or less like an attempt to miscredit NSN and our pilots.
If you truly want more information you can contact us in game.
//Meyer Meyer - Political Officer
Nono I was just bemused by arteggs statement that TPS are neutrals to PA when i know many PA corps still stand as anti-pirates
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Hasse
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:54:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Beatrice
The philosophy of not biting off more than one can chew applies here, and it seems the PA has done a pretty good job of chewing on you.
Hahaha, useless alt.
Hahaha, useless main.
troll
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Hasse
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:54:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Beatrice
The philosophy of not biting off more than one can chew applies here, and it seems the PA has done a pretty good job of chewing on you.
Hahaha, useless alt.
Hahaha, useless main.
troll
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The Clash
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:04:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Basically, that's being said is this:
RKK are not anti-pirate AS SUCH (We have fought TPS recently). We fly with M0o. We do not, however, pirate ourselves.
does teh PA does that with TPS ? Nope .
they just dont shoot eachother always like you and moo eh
altho tps shoots at us
double standards and do i smell a " try break them up post" ?
and oh yes i do expect a lovely flame esp after readin about the post about y killin me today with that lovely comment :)
imo : a lot of blah blah and nothin more just like yer reasons of war
http://users.pandora.be/CyberDyne_Industries/Clash2.jpg
Posting of images on the forums is not allowed. -Omniscience
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The Clash
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:04:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Basically, that's being said is this:
RKK are not anti-pirate AS SUCH (We have fought TPS recently). We fly with M0o. We do not, however, pirate ourselves.
does teh PA does that with TPS ? Nope .
they just dont shoot eachother always like you and moo eh
altho tps shoots at us
double standards and do i smell a " try break them up post" ?
and oh yes i do expect a lovely flame esp after readin about the post about y killin me today with that lovely comment :)
imo : a lot of blah blah and nothin more just like yer reasons of war
http://users.pandora.be/CyberDyne_Industries/Clash2.jpg
Posting of images on the forums is not allowed. -Omniscience
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:05:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Hasse
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Beatrice
The philosophy of not biting off more than one can chew applies here, and it seems the PA has done a pretty good job of chewing on you.
Hahaha, useless alt.
Hahaha, useless main.
troll
Hahaha, I have longer pubes than you.
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:05:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Hasse
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Beatrice
The philosophy of not biting off more than one can chew applies here, and it seems the PA has done a pretty good job of chewing on you.
Hahaha, useless alt.
Hahaha, useless main.
troll
Hahaha, I have longer pubes than you.
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:09:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 19/08/2004 00:11:02
Did any of you take even a moment to think how stupid this was going to sound when you started posting? What do you want the PA to do, ignore our 85+ current enemies and go straight to Vale and pick a fight with an alliance of PVP corps just to satisfy the mewlings on morality of our current enemies?
It sounds stupid even if we ignore that you dropped any pretense of being anti-pirate as an alliance (wave to m0o for me next time your all ganged) months ago (except BNC and friends). Come back when you have a leg to stand on, or any grasp of basic principles of common sense.
In fact, let Jade do your talking for you, at least he/she has the ability to forumulate an argument or position that sounds reasonable at first. Yours doesn't even meet that criteria.
Go fight TPS yourself, were too busy killing our current lot of enemies to fight your wars for you.
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:09:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 19/08/2004 00:11:02
Did any of you take even a moment to think how stupid this was going to sound when you started posting? What do you want the PA to do, ignore our 85+ current enemies and go straight to Vale and pick a fight with an alliance of PVP corps just to satisfy the mewlings on morality of our current enemies?
It sounds stupid even if we ignore that you dropped any pretense of being anti-pirate as an alliance (wave to m0o for me next time your all ganged) months ago (except BNC and friends). Come back when you have a leg to stand on, or any grasp of basic principles of common sense.
In fact, let Jade do your talking for you, at least he/she has the ability to forumulate an argument or position that sounds reasonable at first. Yours doesn't even meet that criteria.
Go fight TPS yourself, were too busy killing our current lot of enemies to fight your wars for you.
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Methadroid
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:14:00 -
[71]
Why should i bother taking a hunting trip when all ive got to do is walk out on my backyard with a shotgun?
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Methadroid
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:14:00 -
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Why should i bother taking a hunting trip when all ive got to do is walk out on my backyard with a shotgun?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:19:00 -
[73]
i wont count TPS or some of you guys as a pirate, maybe your randomly killing alliance guys,
but TPS are miny miners too, like most of the self-declared pirates
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:19:00 -
[74]
i wont count TPS or some of you guys as a pirate, maybe your randomly killing alliance guys,
but TPS are miny miners too, like most of the self-declared pirates
Wanna fly with me?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:25:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 19/08/2004 00:28:12
Um kids?
TPS have been up in the same regions your fighters are in. So stop playing fools.
And Clash, so you admit PA isn't anti-pirate? Thanks. That means certain of your member corps are lying because they describe themselves as "anti pirate".
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:25:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 19/08/2004 00:28:12
Um kids?
TPS have been up in the same regions your fighters are in. So stop playing fools.
And Clash, so you admit PA isn't anti-pirate? Thanks. That means certain of your member corps are lying because they describe themselves as "anti pirate".
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:30:00 -
[77]
What I find amusing is that Gafton keeps using a quote of mine that is pretty much 100% accurate given the current situation:
"Piracy itself is a meaningless term, of use only to smear to be honest. It gets rolled out by intellectually challenged people as a crutch to support crippled arguments." ~Jade Constantine (Posted - 2004.06.19)"
For my part I would like PA to ditch the term "anti pirate" from their description because they clearly aren't. They are "anti NCA" and thats their chief identifier these days. The pirate/anti-pirate thing is ridiculous. PA people have claimed they would fly with the devil himself if he joined an anti NCA gate gatecamp, well and good, but the PA should have the courage and honesty to lose the out-of-date anti-pirate tag because that is just dishonest. Its impossible to stand gate camps with the biggest pirate faction in the game and claim to be Anti-pirate. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.
And before any PA wit asks the obvious (and deadly dull question)
Jericho Fraction categorises itself as neither pro or anti pirate. In 0.0 space we shoot at people who are -10 to us and we allow neutrals to go about their business. We don't claim space and we don't toll innocents. As a corporation we believe the pirate/anti-pirate identifiers for philosophical association are not particularly useful and its far better to judge corporations and individuals on their friendships and overall behaviour.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:30:00 -
[78]
What I find amusing is that Gafton keeps using a quote of mine that is pretty much 100% accurate given the current situation:
"Piracy itself is a meaningless term, of use only to smear to be honest. It gets rolled out by intellectually challenged people as a crutch to support crippled arguments." ~Jade Constantine (Posted - 2004.06.19)"
For my part I would like PA to ditch the term "anti pirate" from their description because they clearly aren't. They are "anti NCA" and thats their chief identifier these days. The pirate/anti-pirate thing is ridiculous. PA people have claimed they would fly with the devil himself if he joined an anti NCA gate gatecamp, well and good, but the PA should have the courage and honesty to lose the out-of-date anti-pirate tag because that is just dishonest. Its impossible to stand gate camps with the biggest pirate faction in the game and claim to be Anti-pirate. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.
And before any PA wit asks the obvious (and deadly dull question)
Jericho Fraction categorises itself as neither pro or anti pirate. In 0.0 space we shoot at people who are -10 to us and we allow neutrals to go about their business. We don't claim space and we don't toll innocents. As a corporation we believe the pirate/anti-pirate identifiers for philosophical association are not particularly useful and its far better to judge corporations and individuals on their friendships and overall behaviour.
JF Public Forum |
The Clash
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:42:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 19/08/2004 00:28:12
Um kids?
TPS have been up in the same regions your fighters are in. So stop playing fools.
And Clash, so you admit PA isn't anti-pirate? Thanks. That means certain of your member corps are lying because they describe themselves as "anti pirate".
did i admit that ? hmmz weird oh well aint no use going into you lot you twist it the way you want so no chance of winning here eh ?
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The Clash
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:42:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 19/08/2004 00:28:12
Um kids?
TPS have been up in the same regions your fighters are in. So stop playing fools.
And Clash, so you admit PA isn't anti-pirate? Thanks. That means certain of your member corps are lying because they describe themselves as "anti pirate".
did i admit that ? hmmz weird oh well aint no use going into you lot you twist it the way you want so no chance of winning here eh ?
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:54:00 -
[81]
Originally by: DB Preacher
I see a lot of talk from the trolls trying to get the thread locked before we get an answer.
dbp
You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can
And now a piratecorp questions why we don't shoot at some other pirates? This thread headed to reatardville as soon as "Sun Ra" hit the submit button.
WHY DID YOU LEAVE UNICOR TO DIE??
It is pretty obvious that you now realise that leaving the your allies to the slaughter was a mistake. Now you try to blame someone else for it.
Had you defended your friends UNICOR would still have been alive and TPS would have been confined
You willingly sacrificed UNICOR and continued your vain effort to attack Phoenix Alliance. You let out the geenie and now you are angry that we don't mop up your crap??
It doesn't hold
TPS has been there for several months. Hitting the late UNICOR. You didn't help them even the slightest! They died for you but you abandoned them. Only now, when TPS attack you you start to care. And then you also try to put the blame on someone else. It's filthy and shameful.
I'd be bloody angry if I had been in UNICOR.
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:54:00 -
[82]
Originally by: DB Preacher
I see a lot of talk from the trolls trying to get the thread locked before we get an answer.
dbp
You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can
And now a piratecorp questions why we don't shoot at some other pirates? This thread headed to reatardville as soon as "Sun Ra" hit the submit button.
WHY DID YOU LEAVE UNICOR TO DIE??
It is pretty obvious that you now realise that leaving the your allies to the slaughter was a mistake. Now you try to blame someone else for it.
Had you defended your friends UNICOR would still have been alive and TPS would have been confined
You willingly sacrificed UNICOR and continued your vain effort to attack Phoenix Alliance. You let out the geenie and now you are angry that we don't mop up your crap??
It doesn't hold
TPS has been there for several months. Hitting the late UNICOR. You didn't help them even the slightest! They died for you but you abandoned them. Only now, when TPS attack you you start to care. And then you also try to put the blame on someone else. It's filthy and shameful.
I'd be bloody angry if I had been in UNICOR.
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:55:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Stoop on 19/08/2004 00:57:06
WAIT
Wasnt a near identical question asked here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=102336
???
Why the redundancy?
Do you expect to recieve a new and revised (edit spelling) answer? One that will please your political pallete better?
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:55:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Stoop on 19/08/2004 00:57:06
WAIT
Wasnt a near identical question asked here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=102336
???
Why the redundancy?
Do you expect to recieve a new and revised (edit spelling) answer? One that will please your political pallete better?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:59:00 -
[85]
I can't resist ;)
Quote:
You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can -SlightlyMad (Bladerunners)
They are right behind you!
JF Public Forum |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:59:00 -
[86]
I can't resist ;)
Quote:
You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can -SlightlyMad (Bladerunners)
They are right behind you!
JF Public Forum |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:00:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Stoop
Edited by: Stoop on 19/08/2004 00:57:06
WAIT
Wasnt a near identical question asked here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=102336
???
Why the redundancy?
Do you expect to recieve a new and revised (edit spelling) answer? One that will please your political pallete better?
Its the same tactic as megacorporations use when doing commercials
If you repeat the same crap over and over again. It suddenly sounds as truth and people will buy you product no matter how much it suck in reality.
*
-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:00:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Stoop
Edited by: Stoop on 19/08/2004 00:57:06
WAIT
Wasnt a near identical question asked here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=102336
???
Why the redundancy?
Do you expect to recieve a new and revised (edit spelling) answer? One that will please your political pallete better?
Its the same tactic as megacorporations use when doing commercials
If you repeat the same crap over and over again. It suddenly sounds as truth and people will buy you product no matter how much it suck in reality.
*
-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:01:00 -
[89]
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 01:03:08
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 01:02:54
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I can't resist ;)
Quote:
You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can -SlightlyMad (Bladerunners)
They are right behind you!
I've been shooting at m0o, evol and rkk for 2 months
And yes, why should I bother going away when I can open a cold bottle of quafe and go outside in my backyard with a blaster?
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:01:00 -
[90]
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 01:03:08
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 01:02:54
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I can't resist ;)
Quote:
You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can -SlightlyMad (Bladerunners)
They are right behind you!
I've been shooting at m0o, evol and rkk for 2 months
And yes, why should I bother going away when I can open a cold bottle of quafe and go outside in my backyard with a blaster?
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:03:00 -
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So SlightlyMad ... would it be fair to say your "pirate hunting" identity may be defined thuswise:
"Pirates = anybody we want to fight"
"Pirates we don't want to fight aren't technically pirates"
PA rationale
JF Public Forum |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:03:00 -
[92]
So SlightlyMad ... would it be fair to say your "pirate hunting" identity may be defined thuswise:
"Pirates = anybody we want to fight"
"Pirates we don't want to fight aren't technically pirates"
PA rationale
JF Public Forum |
Madhog
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:10:00 -
[93]
Maybe you should read in the first page where i belive slightlymad stated;
Whats the point in having more enemies when you can be neutral and not bring even more corporations/alliances against the PA, if none of you can understand that then you should go back to old-school.
PA run riot around FU space
TPS run riot around FU space
FU try to defend FU space
that'd mean 3 alliances would be shooting eachother randomly on the battlefield, so we're fighting the 'same enemy' and not eachother
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Madhog
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:10:00 -
[94]
Maybe you should read in the first page where i belive slightlymad stated;
Whats the point in having more enemies when you can be neutral and not bring even more corporations/alliances against the PA, if none of you can understand that then you should go back to old-school.
PA run riot around FU space
TPS run riot around FU space
FU try to defend FU space
that'd mean 3 alliances would be shooting eachother randomly on the battlefield, so we're fighting the 'same enemy' and not eachother
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:11:00 -
[95]
Had you not broken NAST and had not UNICOR decided that they were strong enough to keep those regions themselves, PA would have been fighting TPS.
UNICOR backstabbed us, you abandoned UNICOR
UNICOR died
You made the bed, now you sleep in it.
We have enough to do and can not spare forces to make your mistakes right
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:11:00 -
[96]
Had you not broken NAST and had not UNICOR decided that they were strong enough to keep those regions themselves, PA would have been fighting TPS.
UNICOR backstabbed us, you abandoned UNICOR
UNICOR died
You made the bed, now you sleep in it.
We have enough to do and can not spare forces to make your mistakes right
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:12:00 -
[97]
Does that mean you can't (or choose not to) answer the question then?
Seriously Slightlymad, since you are flying with the Pirate Syndicate surely its only reasonable that the PA should remove the term "anti pirate" from its alliance description?
That just seems the reasonable thing to do.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:12:00 -
[98]
Does that mean you can't (or choose not to) answer the question then?
Seriously Slightlymad, since you are flying with the Pirate Syndicate surely its only reasonable that the PA should remove the term "anti pirate" from its alliance description?
That just seems the reasonable thing to do.
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:13:00 -
[99]
Edited by: KIAPieman on 19/08/2004 01:15:51
to be honest everyone must admit to being pro-pirate in a way, you ask most people and they would say that pirating is a necessary evil in this world as it generates business for other corperations and gives them a little excitement (for the wrong reasons) but just because you accept that eve needs pirates doenst mean that you are not anti-pirate, as without them this game would go stale quickly for the merc corps and pirate hunters out there.
tbh after all this war is over and done with, and all the dust has cleared we would probably find ourselves in the situation of having to face them once more. the situation at the moment with TPS is only engage if they do, its that simple.
edit as my spellign sucks
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:13:00 -
[100]
Edited by: KIAPieman on 19/08/2004 01:15:51
to be honest everyone must admit to being pro-pirate in a way, you ask most people and they would say that pirating is a necessary evil in this world as it generates business for other corperations and gives them a little excitement (for the wrong reasons) but just because you accept that eve needs pirates doenst mean that you are not anti-pirate, as without them this game would go stale quickly for the merc corps and pirate hunters out there.
tbh after all this war is over and done with, and all the dust has cleared we would probably find ourselves in the situation of having to face them once more. the situation at the moment with TPS is only engage if they do, its that simple.
edit as my spellign sucks
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:14:00 -
[101]
I'm awaiting the replies of those I asked.
thx.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:14:00 -
[102]
I'm awaiting the replies of those I asked.
thx.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:18:00 -
[103]
/me waves from the gallery
Hello all, having fun still?
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:18:00 -
[104]
/me waves from the gallery
Hello all, having fun still?
Eve Blacklight Style
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:18:00 -
[105]
DB, Consider the question I posted directed at you.
Pls answer
thx.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:18:00 -
[106]
DB, Consider the question I posted directed at you.
Pls answer
thx.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:22:00 -
[107]
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 01:25:19
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 01:23:57
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Does that mean you can't (or choose not to) answer the question then?
Seriously Slightlymad, since you are flying with the Pirate Syndicate surely its only reasonable that the PA should remove the term "anti pirate" from its alliance description?
That just seems the reasonable thing to do.
I have not flown with them.
You betrayed your allies.
Those who saw that you only used them as pawns joined TPS and are now attacking you. Don't ask anyone else to help you. If you have a problem with TPS deal with it yourself.
This situation is your creation.
And now you try to use the deaths of innocents lured by your propaganda as a tool in your ongoing smearcampaing
shame
What help did you offer your allies UNICOR when TPS emerged?
Answer, and don't dodge like you always do
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:22:00 -
[108]
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 01:25:19
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 01:23:57
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Does that mean you can't (or choose not to) answer the question then?
Seriously Slightlymad, since you are flying with the Pirate Syndicate surely its only reasonable that the PA should remove the term "anti pirate" from its alliance description?
That just seems the reasonable thing to do.
I have not flown with them.
You betrayed your allies.
Those who saw that you only used them as pawns joined TPS and are now attacking you. Don't ask anyone else to help you. If you have a problem with TPS deal with it yourself.
This situation is your creation.
And now you try to use the deaths of innocents lured by your propaganda as a tool in your ongoing smearcampaing
shame
What help did you offer your allies UNICOR when TPS emerged?
Answer, and don't dodge like you always do
*
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:27:00 -
[109]
Could you guys all shut up? Seriously this is the most retarded war ever and you guys all going rainman isn't helping.
Leave it to the people in the north to make CA vs SA look civil and loving.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:27:00 -
[110]
Could you guys all shut up? Seriously this is the most retarded war ever and you guys all going rainman isn't helping.
Leave it to the people in the north to make CA vs SA look civil and loving.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:28:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Maud Dib
Could you guys all shut up? Seriously this is the most retarded war ever and you guys all going rainman isn't helping.
Leave it to the people in the north to make CA vs SA look civil and loving.
LOL, so far I agreed with every reply you've made so far... you have more threads to respond to my friend :)
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:28:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Maud Dib
Could you guys all shut up? Seriously this is the most retarded war ever and you guys all going rainman isn't helping.
Leave it to the people in the north to make CA vs SA look civil and loving.
LOL, so far I agreed with every reply you've made so far... you have more threads to respond to my friend :)
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:31:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Maud Dib
Could you guys all shut up? Seriously this is the most retarded war ever and you guys all going rainman isn't helping.
Leave it to the people in the north to make CA vs SA look civil and loving.
could be hard to achive.. you would need to ban atleast 10 guys from the forums 
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:31:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Maud Dib
Could you guys all shut up? Seriously this is the most retarded war ever and you guys all going rainman isn't helping.
Leave it to the people in the north to make CA vs SA look civil and loving.
could be hard to achive.. you would need to ban atleast 10 guys from the forums
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Ryan Routine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:32:00 -
[115]
hello :)
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Ryan Routine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:32:00 -
[116]
hello :)
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:33:00 -
[117]
dont light anything, i smell gas, petrol and maybe some dynamite.......
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:33:00 -
[118]
dont light anything, i smell gas, petrol and maybe some dynamite.......
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Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:34:00 -
[119]
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
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Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:34:00 -
[120]
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
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Madhog
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:35:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Beatrice
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
kill mail plz, was it another humiliating death? - did you get the pod?
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Madhog
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:35:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Beatrice
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
kill mail plz, was it another humiliating death? - did you get the pod?
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:36:00 -
[123]
Originally by: KIAPieman
dont light anything, i smell gas, petrol and maybe some dynamite.......
/emote points up at the sky
dont forget the bomb THE BOMB i tell you
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:36:00 -
[124]
Originally by: KIAPieman
dont light anything, i smell gas, petrol and maybe some dynamite.......
/emote points up at the sky
dont forget the bomb THE BOMB i tell you
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:37:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Maud Dib
Could you guys all shut up? Seriously this is the most retarded war ever and you guys all going rainman isn't helping.
Leave it to the people in the north to make CA vs SA look civil and loving.
This display of logic astounds me!
Jade remove him immediately! He must be a knee jerk reactionist or a tyrnical skeeming free thinking killer clown from outer.....
I like you muad' as well as any other pilot that flew alongside you when we are in the NVA together.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:37:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Maud Dib
Could you guys all shut up? Seriously this is the most retarded war ever and you guys all going rainman isn't helping.
Leave it to the people in the north to make CA vs SA look civil and loving.
This display of logic astounds me!
Jade remove him immediately! He must be a knee jerk reactionist or a tyrnical skeeming free thinking killer clown from outer.....
I like you muad' as well as any other pilot that flew alongside you when we are in the NVA together.
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:44:00 -
[127]
Quote:
For my part I would like PA to ditch the term "anti pirate" from their description because they clearly aren't. They are "anti NCA" and thats their chief identifier these days.
First we would all have to care what you want, and since we tossed you out of the PA like you deserved, its pretty clear we don't. You feel free to moan about our anti-pirate corps describing themselves as such, they will continue to do so.
We have proud anti-pirate corps. This is not the same as having the obligation to attack TPS. TPS has proud pirate corps, that is not the same as an obligation to attack the PA.
Deal with your own wars, don't expect the PA and TPS to start fighting just because you try to slander our anti-pirate stance.
And thanks for taking over from Sun Ra Jade, now we can safely assing this thread the "Jade'ish Logic" ranking it so richly deserves.
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:44:00 -
[128]
Quote:
For my part I would like PA to ditch the term "anti pirate" from their description because they clearly aren't. They are "anti NCA" and thats their chief identifier these days.
First we would all have to care what you want, and since we tossed you out of the PA like you deserved, its pretty clear we don't. You feel free to moan about our anti-pirate corps describing themselves as such, they will continue to do so.
We have proud anti-pirate corps. This is not the same as having the obligation to attack TPS. TPS has proud pirate corps, that is not the same as an obligation to attack the PA.
Deal with your own wars, don't expect the PA and TPS to start fighting just because you try to slander our anti-pirate stance.
And thanks for taking over from Sun Ra Jade, now we can safely assing this thread the "Jade'ish Logic" ranking it so richly deserves.
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:49:00 -
[129]
first priority for CE:
- fighting the war that was declared upon our alliance
second priority:
- watch after our Corp to best fullfill the first priority
absolute no priority:
- answering funny questions on the EO
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:49:00 -
[130]
first priority for CE:
- fighting the war that was declared upon our alliance
second priority:
- watch after our Corp to best fullfill the first priority
absolute no priority:
- answering funny questions on the EO
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:50:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Madhog
Originally by: Beatrice
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
kill mail plz, was it another humiliating death? - did you get the pod?
So much for the RONA-KIA "we don't boast on the forums" code eh?
For the record I attacked a RONA-KIA Thorax that was flying alongside a TPS Raven, in an ARES and unsurprisingly got blown up. However the pod escaped and all is well.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:50:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Madhog
Originally by: Beatrice
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
kill mail plz, was it another humiliating death? - did you get the pod?
So much for the RONA-KIA "we don't boast on the forums" code eh?
For the record I attacked a RONA-KIA Thorax that was flying alongside a TPS Raven, in an ARES and unsurprisingly got blown up. However the pod escaped and all is well.
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The Clash
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:52:00 -
[133]
Edited by: The Clash on 19/08/2004 01:53:17
Originally by: Fuffel
first priority for CE:
absolute no priority:
- answering funny questions on the EO
 
http://users.pandora.be/CyberDyne_Industries/Clash2.jpg
Posting of images on the forum is not allowed. -Omniscience
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The Clash
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:52:00 -
[134]
Edited by: The Clash on 19/08/2004 01:53:17
Originally by: Fuffel
first priority for CE:
absolute no priority:
- answering funny questions on the EO
http://users.pandora.be/CyberDyne_Industries/Clash2.jpg
Posting of images on the forum is not allowed. -Omniscience
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:54:00 -
[135]
who lit up?
guys come on, we can be civil in one thread,lets at least give it a shot in this one PLEASE! and thats for BOTH sides here. we can answer this topic with the minimal flaming, lets go for rare steak here not uber gill pwned steak.
and these are my views alone here.
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:54:00 -
[136]
who lit up?
guys come on, we can be civil in one thread,lets at least give it a shot in this one PLEASE! and thats for BOTH sides here. we can answer this topic with the minimal flaming, lets go for rare steak here not uber gill pwned steak.
and these are my views alone here.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:55:00 -
[137]
Originally by: KIAPieman
who lit up?
guys come on, we can be civil in one thread,lets at least give it a shot in this one PLEASE! and thats for BOTH sides here. we can answer this topic with the minimal flaming, lets go for rare steak here not uber gill pwned steak.
and these are my views alone here.
Pieman... I love you... I think we need to tell GaRpY 
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:55:00 -
[138]
Originally by: KIAPieman
who lit up?
guys come on, we can be civil in one thread,lets at least give it a shot in this one PLEASE! and thats for BOTH sides here. we can answer this topic with the minimal flaming, lets go for rare steak here not uber gill pwned steak.
and these are my views alone here.
Pieman... I love you... I think we need to tell GaRpY
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:56:00 -
[139]
Originally by: LLeBRing
Originally by: KIAPieman
who lit up?
guys come on, we can be civil in one thread,lets at least give it a shot in this one PLEASE! and thats for BOTH sides here. we can answer this topic with the minimal flaming, lets go for rare steak here not uber gill pwned steak.
and these are my views alone here.
Pieman... I love you... I think we need to tell GaRpY
love you too man, but garpy talking about shaving his balls aint needed here, that would cause a stampede, or flameing about who has the bigger wiener.
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.08.19 01:56:00 -
[140]
Originally by: LLeBRing
Originally by: KIAPieman
who lit up?
guys come on, we can be civil in one thread,lets at least give it a shot in this one PLEASE! and thats for BOTH sides here. we can answer this topic with the minimal flaming, lets go for rare steak here not uber gill pwned steak.
and these are my views alone here.
Pieman... I love you... I think we need to tell GaRpY
love you too man, but garpy talking about shaving his balls aint needed here, that would cause a stampede, or flameing about who has the bigger wiener.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 02:08:00 -
[141]
Still waiting Jade:
What help did you offer your allies UNICOR when TPS emerged?
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 02:08:00 -
[142]
Still waiting Jade:
What help did you offer your allies UNICOR when TPS emerged?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 02:16:00 -
[143]
Originally by: SlightlyMad
Still waiting Jade:
What help did you offer your allies UNICOR when TPS emerged?
Answer my question and I will answer yours.
JF Public Forum |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 02:16:00 -
[144]
Originally by: SlightlyMad
Still waiting Jade:
What help did you offer your allies UNICOR when TPS emerged?
Answer my question and I will answer yours.
JF Public Forum |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.08.19 03:02:00 -
[145]
Negotiator was here.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.08.19 03:02:00 -
[146]
Negotiator was here.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.08.19 03:31:00 -
[147]
You know, I can understand slightlymad calling us pirates and all, he's not very bright after all, but artegg?
We've never tolled anyone.
We don't roll into just any system and open fire on anyone, unless they have pa or ca tags.
We have a valid reason for our fight.
You may not agree with it, but just because you disagree with our reasons doesn't nullify them.
I know PA frequently has trouble with truthfullness, but if you are going to call us names, at least pick a term that is accurate.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.08.19 03:31:00 -
[148]
You know, I can understand slightlymad calling us pirates and all, he's not very bright after all, but artegg?
We've never tolled anyone.
We don't roll into just any system and open fire on anyone, unless they have pa or ca tags.
We have a valid reason for our fight.
You may not agree with it, but just because you disagree with our reasons doesn't nullify them.
I know PA frequently has trouble with truthfullness, but if you are going to call us names, at least pick a term that is accurate.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.19 03:42:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Omniwar on 19/08/2004 03:45:04
Originally by: ProphetGuru
You know, I can understand slightlymad calling us pirates and all, he's not very bright after all, but artegg?
We've never tolled anyone.
We don't roll into just any system and open fire on anyone, unless they have pa or ca tags.
We have a valid reason for our fight.
You may not agree with it, but just because you disagree with our reasons doesn't nullify them.
I know PA frequently has trouble with truthfullness, but if you are going to call us names, at least pick a term that is accurate.
Let me let me let me.
I choose the frase ebil bastages for yous
Spawn of the Devil
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.19 03:42:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Omniwar on 19/08/2004 03:45:04
Originally by: ProphetGuru
You know, I can understand slightlymad calling us pirates and all, he's not very bright after all, but artegg?
We've never tolled anyone.
We don't roll into just any system and open fire on anyone, unless they have pa or ca tags.
We have a valid reason for our fight.
You may not agree with it, but just because you disagree with our reasons doesn't nullify them.
I know PA frequently has trouble with truthfullness, but if you are going to call us names, at least pick a term that is accurate.
Let me let me let me.
I choose the frase ebil bastages for yous
Spawn of the Devil
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.19 03:53:00 -
[151]
I have to admit...I've seen some..rather interesting stuff lately. But this whole northern war is becomeing a joke.
Yes Phoenix was developing into nieghbors and we all be happy. But stupid mistakes happened that are done and over with. Its becoming clear niether side wants to have a conflict like the south does, And yeah everyone has had a bad taste in thier mouth, so what....lets not bring up old shyt. And move on....geez you guys bicker like a bunch of old women.
Gladius: Clair stole the corn candy!
Clair: I did not Gladius!
Gladius: You did to and you said you would return it!
Clair: What candy? I dont remember...and Im cold.
Gladius: You stole that candy, just like you stole Bobby
Franklstien in elementary school from me.
Clair: Lets not forget the time you bumped your wheel chair into me!
Rose: Clair give back the candy you stole. You have no claim to the jar and your behavior is that of a whimpering puppy. And you did steal Gladius's boyfriend, becuase I have proof in this photo that shows you kissing him. I call out to you now and return what is not yours and simply apologise.
Clair: Shut up Rose! You old bat! You dont know what your saying becuase I saw you down the stairs last week!
Rose: I didnt have my walker and you know that I have trouble walking without it, so was it expected that I was to walk down the stairs by myself?
Clair: Shut up Rose! You fell down! You lie!
Rose: Im not lieing
Clair: GET HER OUT OF MY HEAD!!
Gladius: Corn Candy! Give it back!
Clair: No becuase you ran over my dog!
Gladius: You have an entire bag!
Clair: I like this bag becuase I will be the Corn Candy Queen.
Gladius: When I was a nurse in the navy, I had to sweep up the trash. It was your fault!
Clair: Prove it! Its your fault I cant see without inch thick glasses.
Rose: Clair your continueially lieing to get around the fact you stole the candy.
Clair: Stop whineing Rose!!! You ALways!! WHIne!!!
<meanwhile Earl the resident war vet with down syndrome sneaks in behind Clair and begins to steal indvidual candies>
Rose: Blashpanmy!! Clair your in league with the invalid!!
Clair: He is stealing my corn candy!! Gladius this is your fault!
Rose: Earl, why are you stealing the candy?
Earl: Because I bought a bag in 1956...I ate to much and I set it down and Clair took it from me with the help of Glaidus. Im here to get it back..
............
This in no way represents any individuals. And relationships between the characters protrayed and characters and personalities in EVE is mearly...."Conincidance."
Get over yourselves and start looking at the bigger picture, and see how this stupidity is going to effect all of us.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.19 03:53:00 -
[152]
I have to admit...I've seen some..rather interesting stuff lately. But this whole northern war is becomeing a joke.
Yes Phoenix was developing into nieghbors and we all be happy. But stupid mistakes happened that are done and over with. Its becoming clear niether side wants to have a conflict like the south does, And yeah everyone has had a bad taste in thier mouth, so what....lets not bring up old shyt. And move on....geez you guys bicker like a bunch of old women.
Gladius: Clair stole the corn candy!
Clair: I did not Gladius!
Gladius: You did to and you said you would return it!
Clair: What candy? I dont remember...and Im cold.
Gladius: You stole that candy, just like you stole Bobby
Franklstien in elementary school from me.
Clair: Lets not forget the time you bumped your wheel chair into me!
Rose: Clair give back the candy you stole. You have no claim to the jar and your behavior is that of a whimpering puppy. And you did steal Gladius's boyfriend, becuase I have proof in this photo that shows you kissing him. I call out to you now and return what is not yours and simply apologise.
Clair: Shut up Rose! You old bat! You dont know what your saying becuase I saw you down the stairs last week!
Rose: I didnt have my walker and you know that I have trouble walking without it, so was it expected that I was to walk down the stairs by myself?
Clair: Shut up Rose! You fell down! You lie!
Rose: Im not lieing
Clair: GET HER OUT OF MY HEAD!!
Gladius: Corn Candy! Give it back!
Clair: No becuase you ran over my dog!
Gladius: You have an entire bag!
Clair: I like this bag becuase I will be the Corn Candy Queen.
Gladius: When I was a nurse in the navy, I had to sweep up the trash. It was your fault!
Clair: Prove it! Its your fault I cant see without inch thick glasses.
Rose: Clair your continueially lieing to get around the fact you stole the candy.
Clair: Stop whineing Rose!!! You ALways!! WHIne!!!
<meanwhile Earl the resident war vet with down syndrome sneaks in behind Clair and begins to steal indvidual candies>
Rose: Blashpanmy!! Clair your in league with the invalid!!
Clair: He is stealing my corn candy!! Gladius this is your fault!
Rose: Earl, why are you stealing the candy?
Earl: Because I bought a bag in 1956...I ate to much and I set it down and Clair took it from me with the help of Glaidus. Im here to get it back..
............
This in no way represents any individuals. And relationships between the characters protrayed and characters and personalities in EVE is mearly...."Conincidance."
Get over yourselves and start looking at the bigger picture, and see how this stupidity is going to effect all of us.
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2004.08.19 04:05:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Fuffel on 19/08/2004 04:07:28
Originally by: Ly'sol
I have to admit...I've seen some..rather interesting stuff lately. But this whole northern war is becomeing a joke.
Yes Phoenix was developing into nieghbors and we all be happy. But stupid mistakes happened that are done and over with. Its becoming clear niether side wants to have a conflict like the south does, And yeah everyone has had a bad taste in thier mouth, so what....lets not bring up old shyt. And move on....geez you guys bicker like a bunch of old women.
Gladius: Clair stole the corn candy!
Clair: I did not Gladius!
Gladius: You did to and you said you would return it!
Clair: What candy? I dont remember...and Im cold.
Gladius: You stole that candy, just like you stole Bobby
Franklstien in elementary school from me.
Clair: Lets not forget the time you bumped your wheel chair into me!
Rose: Clair give back the candy you stole. You have no claim to the jar and your behavior is that of a whimpering puppy. And you did steal Gladius's boyfriend, becuase I have proof in this photo that shows you kissing him. I call out to you now and return what is not yours and simply apologise.
Clair: Shut up Rose! You old bat! You dont know what your saying becuase I saw you down the stairs last week!
Rose: I didnt have my walker and you know that I have trouble walking without it, so was it expected that I was to walk down the stairs by myself?
Clair: Shut up Rose! You fell down! You lie!
Rose: Im not lieing
Clair: GET HER OUT OF MY HEAD!!
Gladius: Corn Candy! Give it back!
Clair: No becuase you ran over my dog!
Gladius: You have an entire bag!
Clair: I like this bag becuase I will be the Corn Candy Queen.
Gladius: When I was a nurse in the navy, I had to sweep up the trash. It was your fault!
Clair: Prove it! Its your fault I cant see without inch thick glasses.
Rose: Clair your continueially lieing to get around the fact you stole the candy.
Clair: Stop whineing Rose!!! You ALways!! WHIne!!!
<meanwhile Earl the resident war vet with down syndrome sneaks in behind Clair and begins to steal indvidual candies>
Rose: Blashpanmy!! Clair your in league with the invalid!!
Clair: He is stealing my corn candy!! Gladius this is your fault!
Rose: Earl, why are you stealing the candy?
Earl: Because I bought a bag in 1956...I ate to much and I set it down and Clair took it from me with the help of Glaidus. Im here to get it back..
............
This in no way represents any individuals. And relationships between the characters protrayed and characters and personalities in EVE is mearly...."Conincidance."
Get over yourselves and start looking at the bigger picture, and see how this stupidity is going to effect all of us.
yes, but as long as we got bored ppl, who write 1.234.567 pages because they spotted a unarmed friggy in 0.0 or corp leaders who go on a crusade because they are unable to open a convo when one of their pilots looses 15% shield - things will stay as funny as they are now
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2004.08.19 04:05:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Fuffel on 19/08/2004 04:07:28
Originally by: Ly'sol
I have to admit...I've seen some..rather interesting stuff lately. But this whole northern war is becomeing a joke.
Yes Phoenix was developing into nieghbors and we all be happy. But stupid mistakes happened that are done and over with. Its becoming clear niether side wants to have a conflict like the south does, And yeah everyone has had a bad taste in thier mouth, so what....lets not bring up old shyt. And move on....geez you guys bicker like a bunch of old women.
Gladius: Clair stole the corn candy!
Clair: I did not Gladius!
Gladius: You did to and you said you would return it!
Clair: What candy? I dont remember...and Im cold.
Gladius: You stole that candy, just like you stole Bobby
Franklstien in elementary school from me.
Clair: Lets not forget the time you bumped your wheel chair into me!
Rose: Clair give back the candy you stole. You have no claim to the jar and your behavior is that of a whimpering puppy. And you did steal Gladius's boyfriend, becuase I have proof in this photo that shows you kissing him. I call out to you now and return what is not yours and simply apologise.
Clair: Shut up Rose! You old bat! You dont know what your saying becuase I saw you down the stairs last week!
Rose: I didnt have my walker and you know that I have trouble walking without it, so was it expected that I was to walk down the stairs by myself?
Clair: Shut up Rose! You fell down! You lie!
Rose: Im not lieing
Clair: GET HER OUT OF MY HEAD!!
Gladius: Corn Candy! Give it back!
Clair: No becuase you ran over my dog!
Gladius: You have an entire bag!
Clair: I like this bag becuase I will be the Corn Candy Queen.
Gladius: When I was a nurse in the navy, I had to sweep up the trash. It was your fault!
Clair: Prove it! Its your fault I cant see without inch thick glasses.
Rose: Clair your continueially lieing to get around the fact you stole the candy.
Clair: Stop whineing Rose!!! You ALways!! WHIne!!!
<meanwhile Earl the resident war vet with down syndrome sneaks in behind Clair and begins to steal indvidual candies>
Rose: Blashpanmy!! Clair your in league with the invalid!!
Clair: He is stealing my corn candy!! Gladius this is your fault!
Rose: Earl, why are you stealing the candy?
Earl: Because I bought a bag in 1956...I ate to much and I set it down and Clair took it from me with the help of Glaidus. Im here to get it back..
............
This in no way represents any individuals. And relationships between the characters protrayed and characters and personalities in EVE is mearly...."Conincidance."
Get over yourselves and start looking at the bigger picture, and see how this stupidity is going to effect all of us.
yes, but as long as we got bored ppl, who write 1.234.567 pages because they spotted a unarmed friggy in 0.0 or corp leaders who go on a crusade because they are unable to open a convo when one of their pilots looses 15% shield - things will stay as funny as they are now
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.19 04:38:00 -
[155]
No its not that, your thinking to political.
Its just both sides are so damn thick headed to take the step up and say,
"Hey,your complaint has merit. We thought to highly of ourselves and thought you were just a squeek. But you made yourself heard."
Or
"Like it or not we are your nieghbors."
Or whatever. Whos right or whos wrong doesnt matter anymore. There was a problem...it has been debated and fought over to death. Both sides has beaten this horse to a gooey pulp.
But for some retarded reason, both sides think if one of them admit in full honestey that the distinct possiblity that this was thier own damn fault, that its a sign of weakness. It takes two to tango.
Maybe if PA leaders were not so arrogant/held down by tape/half hazardly react to violent situation....
Or
Maybe if RKK wasnt so quick to jump the gun on things and allow PA fat bloated arse get up a move to react to the situation..
Things might have been diffused. But thats the past now and this wordy atutism of retardedness is screwing up business.
PA needs to seriously look over its policies in how they treat corperations AND independant pilots. Becuase PA leaders have shown they cannot understand how we think. And our way of thinking doesnt allow us to understand them.
From what I have seen on these boards is that this isnt about politics nor is it even about manipulation or profaganda.
Its one or two people floppin thier balls on the table, saying thiers is bigger. And afterwards telling thier friends how thier Balls are better than thier balls.
Im just saying we need to get real...and stop pretending to hate each other and address the possiblity that someone with half a brain is going to take advantage of our situation in someway...
Bleh...thats to wordy.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.19 04:38:00 -
[156]
No its not that, your thinking to political.
Its just both sides are so damn thick headed to take the step up and say,
"Hey,your complaint has merit. We thought to highly of ourselves and thought you were just a squeek. But you made yourself heard."
Or
"Like it or not we are your nieghbors."
Or whatever. Whos right or whos wrong doesnt matter anymore. There was a problem...it has been debated and fought over to death. Both sides has beaten this horse to a gooey pulp.
But for some retarded reason, both sides think if one of them admit in full honestey that the distinct possiblity that this was thier own damn fault, that its a sign of weakness. It takes two to tango.
Maybe if PA leaders were not so arrogant/held down by tape/half hazardly react to violent situation....
Or
Maybe if RKK wasnt so quick to jump the gun on things and allow PA fat bloated arse get up a move to react to the situation..
Things might have been diffused. But thats the past now and this wordy atutism of retardedness is screwing up business.
PA needs to seriously look over its policies in how they treat corperations AND independant pilots. Becuase PA leaders have shown they cannot understand how we think. And our way of thinking doesnt allow us to understand them.
From what I have seen on these boards is that this isnt about politics nor is it even about manipulation or profaganda.
Its one or two people floppin thier balls on the table, saying thiers is bigger. And afterwards telling thier friends how thier Balls are better than thier balls.
Im just saying we need to get real...and stop pretending to hate each other and address the possiblity that someone with half a brain is going to take advantage of our situation in someway...
Bleh...thats to wordy.
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fisty
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Posted - 2004.08.19 04:57:00 -
[157]
Originally by: slothe
well..
i have a picture of fisty (rona kia) blockading torrinos gate in ec-p8r earlier today with tps (the pirate syndicate).
the last time i fought with fisty was AGAINST these guys :/
so whats happenin?
seems like most of eve is going pro pirate #sigh#
Has no-one got any morals?
well....
sorry for me not responding sooner, but i dont follow much e-o forums to many persons talking **** about others....anyways...
yes i was there with tps they were doing theyr bussines and I was looking to kill persons that are kos to R-K...so what?
its my work to kill who im ordered too
plus is it not permited to have a talk with old friends who u fought against "old NVA wars....!"?
good day slothe
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fisty
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Posted - 2004.08.19 04:57:00 -
[158]
Originally by: slothe
well..
i have a picture of fisty (rona kia) blockading torrinos gate in ec-p8r earlier today with tps (the pirate syndicate).
the last time i fought with fisty was AGAINST these guys :/
so whats happenin?
seems like most of eve is going pro pirate #sigh#
Has no-one got any morals?
well....
sorry for me not responding sooner, but i dont follow much e-o forums to many persons talking **** about others....anyways...
yes i was there with tps they were doing theyr bussines and I was looking to kill persons that are kos to R-K...so what?
its my work to kill who im ordered too
plus is it not permited to have a talk with old friends who u fought against "old NVA wars....!"?
good day slothe
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Xavier Perez
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Posted - 2004.08.19 05:34:00 -
[159]
We dont hate eachother. We just like to kill eachother.
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Xavier Perez
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Posted - 2004.08.19 05:34:00 -
[160]
We dont hate eachother. We just like to kill eachother.
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Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.19 06:19:00 -
[161]
Heh it's funny to me. My husband and I both play eve, pretty much minding our own business chewing on arkonor most of the evening or spawning cruisers. We really don't get out much or get involved in pvp except when we have to defend against our own local problems down south. Doing those sorts of things really makes one appreciate what it takes to defend one's home and the folks who fight and die to do just that so people like me can make our corporations strong.
I'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honest, and his version of the teuth is pretty close to accurate. Heck, even the TPS folks like Cao Cao speak pretty much the truth in these little armchair debates. I guess if I had to sum up a justification for why curse, the TPS and PA are now working with eachother, is that they're all at least honest about who they are and where they stand. PA is honest about who they are. Cao Cao's lambs make no bones about being pirates, and Curse is as stubborn as ever (and a really fun bunch of guys) that's brutally honest. There's a lot of fighting in their past, but I've never known any of these 3 groups to put spin on anything or try to bend public sentiment with disinformation. Propaganda is a powerful thing, and as one noted philosopher said, one must make people think with emotion, not reason, for propaganda to work.
I really dont see how coalition of deklein and fade union got involved in all of this. They were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I dont think PA has any problems with them. And then there's norad, RKK, and company, who used to hide behind a veil of being "good guys", but since establishing their power over the smaller alliances that make up their war party, have felt comfortable revealing their true colors.
I honestly thought them honorable, and still do, although even the best of us can be misguided. It saddens me to look back four months and look at the values they held then, and what their actions say now.
Edited, keep it friendly - Zhuge
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Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.19 06:19:00 -
[162]
Heh it's funny to me. My husband and I both play eve, pretty much minding our own business chewing on arkonor most of the evening or spawning cruisers. We really don't get out much or get involved in pvp except when we have to defend against our own local problems down south. Doing those sorts of things really makes one appreciate what it takes to defend one's home and the folks who fight and die to do just that so people like me can make our corporations strong.
I'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honest, and his version of the teuth is pretty close to accurate. Heck, even the TPS folks like Cao Cao speak pretty much the truth in these little armchair debates. I guess if I had to sum up a justification for why curse, the TPS and PA are now working with eachother, is that they're all at least honest about who they are and where they stand. PA is honest about who they are. Cao Cao's lambs make no bones about being pirates, and Curse is as stubborn as ever (and a really fun bunch of guys) that's brutally honest. There's a lot of fighting in their past, but I've never known any of these 3 groups to put spin on anything or try to bend public sentiment with disinformation. Propaganda is a powerful thing, and as one noted philosopher said, one must make people think with emotion, not reason, for propaganda to work.
I really dont see how coalition of deklein and fade union got involved in all of this. They were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I dont think PA has any problems with them. And then there's norad, RKK, and company, who used to hide behind a veil of being "good guys", but since establishing their power over the smaller alliances that make up their war party, have felt comfortable revealing their true colors.
I honestly thought them honorable, and still do, although even the best of us can be misguided. It saddens me to look back four months and look at the values they held then, and what their actions say now.
Edited, keep it friendly - Zhuge
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Arcanish
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Posted - 2004.08.19 07:43:00 -
[163]
One mans terrorists, is another mans freedom fighters.
Nuff said.
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Arcanish
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Posted - 2004.08.19 07:43:00 -
[164]
One mans terrorists, is another mans freedom fighters.
Nuff said.
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.19 07:44:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Halseth on 19/08/2004 08:06:59
WOW. 
Beatrice, you may not be a fan of me, but you definately just made me a fan of you.
That is one of the most gritty and insightful posts I have seen here in a long time.
At your service,
Halseth
P.S. Shame on the PA for responding to this obvious flame bait. For that, Im cutting your ration of grog by 1/2 tonight. YARRRR!
P.P.S. A TPS cruiser took some nasty shots at me last night and got well into my shields. So much for the "secret evil alliance" theory. Sorry to burst the drama bubble. |
Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.19 07:44:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Halseth on 19/08/2004 08:06:59
WOW.
Beatrice, you may not be a fan of me, but you definately just made me a fan of you.
That is one of the most gritty and insightful posts I have seen here in a long time.
At your service,
Halseth
P.S. Shame on the PA for responding to this obvious flame bait. For that, Im cutting your ration of grog by 1/2 tonight. YARRRR!
P.P.S. A TPS cruiser took some nasty shots at me last night and got well into my shields. So much for the "secret evil alliance" theory. Sorry to burst the drama bubble. |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:08:00 -
[167]
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 08:19:30
Jade:
I ASKED FIRST!
Ly'sol
I agree with you.
However, please check the forums for three months back. Then tell me how many posts you find that is about "The northern war" that is started by any PA faction. You will find very few, very.
Our goal has been to leave this crap to where it belongs. Forgotten into silence without anyone wasting comment. From time to time you have tempered people like me delibiratly breaking that when enough is enough. Which is a bad thing, because the whole soapopera earns a legitimacy that it doesn't deserve.
*
-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:08:00 -
[168]
Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 08:19:30
Jade:
I ASKED FIRST!
Ly'sol
I agree with you.
However, please check the forums for three months back. Then tell me how many posts you find that is about "The northern war" that is started by any PA faction. You will find very few, very.
Our goal has been to leave this crap to where it belongs. Forgotten into silence without anyone wasting comment. From time to time you have tempered people like me delibiratly breaking that when enough is enough. Which is a bad thing, because the whole soapopera earns a legitimacy that it doesn't deserve.
*
-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
GsDaddy
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:11:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Beatrice
Removed. -Zhuge Quote:
Just line em up... right behind Halseth Durn.
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GsDaddy
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:11:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Beatrice
Removed. -Zhuge Quote:
Just line em up... right behind Halseth Durn.
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Durruti
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:14:00 -
[171]
Wow, a 2 day old character that mines Arkanor and spawns cruisers
So which regular PA poster are you really, "Beatrice", or are you just another anonymous intardnet blowhard? Assuming that there's a difference, that is. |
Durruti
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:14:00 -
[172]
Wow, a 2 day old character that mines Arkanor and spawns cruisers
So which regular PA poster are you really, "Beatrice", or are you just another anonymous intardnet blowhard? Assuming that there's a difference, that is. |
Grimster
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:37:00 -
[173]
Ly'sol, that last post was excellent and just about sums things up.
Whichever way the war eventually goes - I see the future of the North - and it ain't gonna be PA or NCA but TPS who will emerge as the victors from all the fighting.
There's a storm brewing.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:37:00 -
[174]
Ly'sol, that last post was excellent and just about sums things up.
Whichever way the war eventually goes - I see the future of the North - and it ain't gonna be PA or NCA but TPS who will emerge as the victors from all the fighting.
There's a storm brewing.
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:49:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Beatrice
Removed -Zhuge
is she talking about me or my cAKe here?
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:49:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Beatrice
Removed -Zhuge
is she talking about me or my cAKe here?
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Kulach
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:55:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Beatrice
Heh it's funny to me. My husband and I both play eve, pretty much minding our own business chewing on arkonor most of the evening or spawning cruisers. We really don't get out much or get involved in pvp except when we have to defend against our own local problems down south. Doing those sorts of things really makes one appreciate what it takes to defend one's home and the folks who fight and die to do just that so people like me can make our corporations strong.
I'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honest, and his version of the teuth is pretty close to accurate. Heck, even the TPS folks like Cao Cao speak pretty much the truth in these little armchair debates. I guess if I had to sum up a justification for why curse, the TPS and PA are now working with eachother, is that they're all at least honest about who they are and where they stand. PA is honest about who they are. Cao Cao's lambs make no bones about being pirates, and Curse is as stubborn as ever (and a really fun bunch of guys) that's brutally honest. There's a lot of fighting in their past, but I've never known any of these 3 groups to put spin on anything or try to bend public sentiment with disinformation. Propaganda is a powerful thing, and as one noted philosopher said, one must make people think with emotion, not reason, for propaganda to work.
I really dont see how coalition of deklein and fade union got involved in all of this. They were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I dont think PA has any problems with them. And then there's norad, RKK, and company, who used to hide behind a veil of being "good guys", but since establishing their power over the smaller alliances that make up their war party, have felt comfortable revealing their true colors.
I honestly thought them honorable, and still do, although even the best of us can be misguided. It saddens me to look back four months and look at the values they held then, and what their actions say now.
Edited, keep it friendly - Zhuge
What a good post!
Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
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Kulach
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Posted - 2004.08.19 08:55:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Beatrice
Heh it's funny to me. My husband and I both play eve, pretty much minding our own business chewing on arkonor most of the evening or spawning cruisers. We really don't get out much or get involved in pvp except when we have to defend against our own local problems down south. Doing those sorts of things really makes one appreciate what it takes to defend one's home and the folks who fight and die to do just that so people like me can make our corporations strong.
I'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honest, and his version of the teuth is pretty close to accurate. Heck, even the TPS folks like Cao Cao speak pretty much the truth in these little armchair debates. I guess if I had to sum up a justification for why curse, the TPS and PA are now working with eachother, is that they're all at least honest about who they are and where they stand. PA is honest about who they are. Cao Cao's lambs make no bones about being pirates, and Curse is as stubborn as ever (and a really fun bunch of guys) that's brutally honest. There's a lot of fighting in their past, but I've never known any of these 3 groups to put spin on anything or try to bend public sentiment with disinformation. Propaganda is a powerful thing, and as one noted philosopher said, one must make people think with emotion, not reason, for propaganda to work.
I really dont see how coalition of deklein and fade union got involved in all of this. They were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I dont think PA has any problems with them. And then there's norad, RKK, and company, who used to hide behind a veil of being "good guys", but since establishing their power over the smaller alliances that make up their war party, have felt comfortable revealing their true colors.
I honestly thought them honorable, and still do, although even the best of us can be misguided. It saddens me to look back four months and look at the values they held then, and what their actions say now.
Edited, keep it friendly - Zhuge
What a good post!
Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
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PASTOR TROY
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Posted - 2004.08.19 09:07:00 -
[179]
Quote:
They hide behind tender veils of taking the moral high-ground and try to snowball the public into supporting them by putting a really talented spin on what they recite as "history". An intelligent, well-informed observer, though, will weigh in their history and figure out that all is not as it seems
Whos responsible for the war?: The answers is everyone is at fault (PA and NCA).
How will it be solved?: In game
Why isn't it over yet?: Pride and Hate
Who is Beatrice?: Hasleth
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PASTOR TROY
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Posted - 2004.08.19 09:07:00 -
[180]
Quote:
They hide behind tender veils of taking the moral high-ground and try to snowball the public into supporting them by putting a really talented spin on what they recite as "history". An intelligent, well-informed observer, though, will weigh in their history and figure out that all is not as it seems
Whos responsible for the war?: The answers is everyone is at fault (PA and NCA).
How will it be solved?: In game
Why isn't it over yet?: Pride and Hate
Who is Beatrice?: Hasleth
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Comnander Marcello
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Posted - 2004.08.19 09:25:00 -
[181]
Who is Pastrot Troy?
Who is Hasleth?
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Comnander Marcello
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Posted - 2004.08.19 09:25:00 -
[182]
Who is Pastrot Troy?
Who is Hasleth?
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Roguet FRAG
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Testing test test
P.S. Well put Beatrice
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Roguet FRAG
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Testing test test
P.S. Well put Beatrice
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Xavier VanXian
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Edited by: Xavier VanXian on 19/08/2004 09:33:49
Originally by: Comnander Marcello
Who is Pastrot Troy?
Who is Hasleth?
You are suposed to know answer to last question :P
In your place I would start worrying about your grog rations in in this week ;)
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Xavier VanXian
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Edited by: Xavier VanXian on 19/08/2004 09:33:49
Originally by: Comnander Marcello
Who is Pastrot Troy?
Who is Hasleth?
You are suposed to know answer to last question :P
In your place I would start worrying about your grog rations in in this week ;)
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KamiCrazy
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I'm going to put a rather good and simple reply to beatrices remarks about NCA members.
NCA consider themselves some of the most reliable and inter-dependable alliances/corps/individuals in the game. I can already see that you have the view that we are just evil mis-guided griefers who are here to make your gaming life miserable. Well I am not going to bother trying to change that view.
I will however repeat my original phrase. NCA consider themselves some of the most reliable and inter-dependable alliances/corps/individuals in the game.
Why do we think that?
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KamiCrazy
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I'm going to put a rather good and simple reply to beatrices remarks about NCA members.
NCA consider themselves some of the most reliable and inter-dependable alliances/corps/individuals in the game. I can already see that you have the view that we are just evil mis-guided griefers who are here to make your gaming life miserable. Well I am not going to bother trying to change that view.
I will however repeat my original phrase. NCA consider themselves some of the most reliable and inter-dependable alliances/corps/individuals in the game.
Why do we think that?
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Shalmaneser ili
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Originally by: SlightlyMad
Originally by: DB Preacher
I see a lot of talk from the trolls trying to get the thread locked before we get an answer.
dbp
You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can
And now a piratecorp questions why we don't shoot at some other pirates? This thread headed to reatardville as soon as "Sun Ra" hit the submit button.
WHY DID YOU LEAVE UNICOR TO DIE??
It is pretty obvious that you now realise that leaving the your allies to the slaughter was a mistake. Now you try to blame someone else for it.
Had you defended your friends UNICOR would still have been alive and TPS would have been confined
You willingly sacrificed UNICOR and continued your vain effort to attack Phoenix Alliance. You let out the geenie and now you are angry that we don't mop up your crap??
It doesn't hold
TPS has been there for several months. Hitting the late UNICOR. You didn't help them even the slightest! They died for you but you abandoned them. Only now, when TPS attack you you start to care. And then you also try to put the blame on someone else. It's filthy and shameful.
I'd be bloody angry if I had been in UNICOR.
Someone answer this man please....i want to know aswell...as thats the way i felt even before TPS became a bigger and more dangerous force
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Shalmaneser ili
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Originally by: SlightlyMad
Originally by: DB Preacher
I see a lot of talk from the trolls trying to get the thread locked before we get an answer.
dbp
You already got enough answers. We are shooting at pirates as much as we can
And now a piratecorp questions why we don't shoot at some other pirates? This thread headed to reatardville as soon as "Sun Ra" hit the submit button.
WHY DID YOU LEAVE UNICOR TO DIE??
It is pretty obvious that you now realise that leaving the your allies to the slaughter was a mistake. Now you try to blame someone else for it.
Had you defended your friends UNICOR would still have been alive and TPS would have been confined
You willingly sacrificed UNICOR and continued your vain effort to attack Phoenix Alliance. You let out the geenie and now you are angry that we don't mop up your crap??
It doesn't hold
TPS has been there for several months. Hitting the late UNICOR. You didn't help them even the slightest! They died for you but you abandoned them. Only now, when TPS attack you you start to care. And then you also try to put the blame on someone else. It's filthy and shameful.
I'd be bloody angry if I had been in UNICOR.
Someone answer this man please....i want to know aswell...as thats the way i felt even before TPS became a bigger and more dangerous force
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Ly'sol
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Edited by: Ly'sol on 19/08/2004 10:14:49
You know Beatrice,
I wrote this long rather ugly response. But the Caldari in me kicked in and I stopped. IÆm simply going to say if you choose to believe what you want. Feel freeàbut keep Jericho in mind should you ever be faced with the situation when your mining your roids in relative safety and another player in the game that tries to get you caught up in politics that are not your concern or tells you cant be in this part of the game because such and such said so.
We are in the business to opening an open market in the frontier to everyone. We are not empire builders. We are quite the opposite. Jericho represents every independent pilot and corporation who does not wish to be entangled in the political quagmire of alliance policy.
You can say Jade Constantine is this and that. But at the heart of the matter, she is only the spokes person for the ideology of Free Space Ethics that is supported by Jericho officially, and is unofficially accepted by several dozen solo players and small time neutral corporations and this number is steadily growing by frustrated players who are learning to despise the system you love so dearly. And I am disturbed by the fact that I am referred to as an underling that is under the influence of the good old Jedi mind trick.
<Waves his hand in front of her face> ôWe have no problem here, we can move alongö
Slightly Mad,
Speaking on business terms with you my friend. I donÆt care if there were such and such posts to Santa Clause for Castor. Please understand that Jericho wills always should you like it or not be on the forefront of a debt when it concerns us. Call it propagandaàcall it saving words. There is an old Caldari saying. ôWhatÆs Right is what works.ö
I want to see this crap go away just as much as you do. And I understand and agree with you. I feel there is a more immediate threat at the moment brewing, if PA, NCA, and the Independents of the region donÆt get their heads our of there ***es and start paying attention to whatÆs going on around them politically and economically.
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Ly'sol
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Edited by: Ly'sol on 19/08/2004 10:14:49
You know Beatrice,
I wrote this long rather ugly response. But the Caldari in me kicked in and I stopped. IÆm simply going to say if you choose to believe what you want. Feel freeàbut keep Jericho in mind should you ever be faced with the situation when your mining your roids in relative safety and another player in the game that tries to get you caught up in politics that are not your concern or tells you cant be in this part of the game because such and such said so.
We are in the business to opening an open market in the frontier to everyone. We are not empire builders. We are quite the opposite. Jericho represents every independent pilot and corporation who does not wish to be entangled in the political quagmire of alliance policy.
You can say Jade Constantine is this and that. But at the heart of the matter, she is only the spokes person for the ideology of Free Space Ethics that is supported by Jericho officially, and is unofficially accepted by several dozen solo players and small time neutral corporations and this number is steadily growing by frustrated players who are learning to despise the system you love so dearly. And I am disturbed by the fact that I am referred to as an underling that is under the influence of the good old Jedi mind trick.
<Waves his hand in front of her face> ôWe have no problem here, we can move alongö
Slightly Mad,
Speaking on business terms with you my friend. I donÆt care if there were such and such posts to Santa Clause for Castor. Please understand that Jericho wills always should you like it or not be on the forefront of a debt when it concerns us. Call it propagandaàcall it saving words. There is an old Caldari saying. ôWhatÆs Right is what works.ö
I want to see this crap go away just as much as you do. And I understand and agree with you. I feel there is a more immediate threat at the moment brewing, if PA, NCA, and the Independents of the region donÆt get their heads our of there ***es and start paying attention to whatÆs going on around them politically and economically.
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Rarium
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Originally by: Roguet FRAG
Testing test test
P.S. Well put Beatrice
Someone has got to remember that this "Beatrice" is in reality, literally, a 2 day old n00b corp alt, right?
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Rarium
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Originally by: Roguet FRAG
Testing test test
P.S. Well put Beatrice
Someone has got to remember that this "Beatrice" is in reality, literally, a 2 day old n00b corp alt, right?
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KamiCrazy
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I didn't find her post insulting, no what I found wrong with beatrices post was that she presented her viewpoint as if she someone knew us.
Like if she actually flew with NCA pilots out in this war, and somehow known our collective personalities.
Thats what I found insulting, assumptions her opinion is literally a bunch of assumptions.
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KamiCrazy
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I didn't find her post insulting, no what I found wrong with beatrices post was that she presented her viewpoint as if she someone knew us.
Like if she actually flew with NCA pilots out in this war, and somehow known our collective personalities.
Thats what I found insulting, assumptions her opinion is literally a bunch of assumptions.
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Luc Boye
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 19/08/2004 10:38:42
Originally by: Beatrice
Heh it's funny to me. My husband and I both play eve, pretty much minding our own business
mind your own business then!
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Beatrice: Member of Imperial Academy for 2 days
Mining arkanor with basic miners are we?
Originally by: Halseth
WOW.
Beatrice, you may not be a fan of me, but you definately just made me a fan of you.
That is one of the most gritty and insightful posts I have seen here in a long time.
Halseth, man you're so lame. I can understand that you can run out of arguments, but to post with an alt and role play... TSK.
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Luc Boye
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 19/08/2004 10:38:42
Originally by: Beatrice
Heh it's funny to me. My husband and I both play eve, pretty much minding our own business
mind your own business then!
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Beatrice: Member of Imperial Academy for 2 days
Mining arkanor with basic miners are we?
Originally by: Halseth
WOW.
Beatrice, you may not be a fan of me, but you definately just made me a fan of you.
That is one of the most gritty and insightful posts I have seen here in a long time.
Halseth, man you're so lame. I can understand that you can run out of arguments, but to post with an alt and role play... TSK.
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KIAHicks
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This is not an official response and does not represent the views of the PA nor R-K, I've consulted with neither prior to posting this. Its my opinion.
Seriously, what are you guys expecting? You go to war with an anti-pirate alliance, an alliance that has tried its hardest to fight pirates whenever and where ever it can.
We fought F-E for however long, R-K paid a months call to syndicate to fight the pirates that were harrasing locals in pf-346 and neighbouring systems.
PA helped in joint ops to keep pureblind, tribute and vale free of pirates with corps such as RKK/Celest/Everlasting vendetta etc etc
Then you declare war on us, with the reasons we've heard from numberous corps been
1) PA are pirates (um duh, maybe the odd person has done something questionable and been dealt with, but if we're pirates would we have been doing all the above???)
2) PA are a closed space alliance (um what do those waring against us want to do with venal? Close it to all but their friends.. what are their allies in this war a part of, oh thats right, closed space alliances, FU/Cod/Noard.. just go read the cans outside their space to see)
You then have members of your alliance camp with m00 and evolution (who through bad timing or planning decided to attack at the same time) I have seen first hand pilots from corps other than rkk camping with m00/evol.
But all of that is ok, because your fighting the evil PA.
You keep bringing more corps on board in the war, and don't expect the PA to seek relations with corps that have never harmed us? Lets look at the count so far
Evol/M00/Norad/Fade Union/Coalition of Deklein/Unicor thats 4 alliances and two of the biggest PVP corps in the game, not to mention all the individual corps you have jumping on the bandwagon hungry to beleive everything Jade posts.
Just think about things for a moment. If PA had not been forced into fighting you by you declaring war on the PA, we'd still be out every day hunting pirates. Hell I'd bet my life on it that we'd have been hunting the pirate syndicate the moment they put a foot wrong and pirated someone.
Remember how relations between the PA and CA were strained to say the least, with PA engaging CA one weekend, and CA forces attacking PA another. Because the PA were beleiving all the forum posts about CA been nothing more than pirates... Well if it wasn't for the war, the PA may very well be at war with CA.
But this war has at least shown us one thing.... No matter how much you try to protect the little guy in eve by killing pirates, and trying to make sections of space free and open for all to mine in (aside from pirates).. They will still join the bandwagon against you, and when asked why, its for no reason other than everyone else is.
You have brought the current situation upon yourselves. Whether through trying to manipulate the situation, or just sheer stupidity in not realising what will happen.
It's ok for people in your alliance YES THAT RIGHT ALLIANCE... your own sigs state it "Northern coallition of allies", an alliance is by definition "A union of interested parties, individuals, political entities, the condition of been allied, a coalition" etc etc Whichever way you spin it, you are allied.
Members of your alliance are camping with pirates, yet you all see that as fine and dandy (aside from BNC who have the balls to stick to their principles). The moment PA declare they will also no longer fire on neutrals even if those neutrals are pirates, your up in arms trying to spin and properganda post on the forums again... double standards, I think so.
Perhaps, if we were not at war, we'd be willing to risk fighting pirate forces as and when we came across them or dedicate time to go hunt them down. But with a war on, why should we risk losing ships to a pirate fleet when we can use those ships against players who want to destroy our alliance?
I personally am becoming very tired of playing the good guy in eve. Despite trying our hardest to fight pirates, we are still called pirates and corporations declare war on us because of it. Maybe in the end, I should just turn pirate and put every corp in eve (aside from a few) on the KOS list. At least that way I'd know who my friends are and who are not, and it wouldn't matter who I allied with or not.
Maybe the PA should just give up on been an anti-pirate alliance, and become an alliance that is out just for themselves. I guess you'd all be happy with that. After all, everyone is happy that tribute and vale are now in the hands of pirates and much safer places to visit than before RKK and JF declared war on the PA...
I'm almost laughing as I type this at the hypocricy shown in many peoples posts regarding this war.
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Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Piracy is a meaningless term ...... ask Jade.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAHicks
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This is not an official response and does not represent the views of the PA nor R-K, I've consulted with neither prior to posting this. Its my opinion.
Seriously, what are you guys expecting? You go to war with an anti-pirate alliance, an alliance that has tried its hardest to fight pirates whenever and where ever it can.
We fought F-E for however long, R-K paid a months call to syndicate to fight the pirates that were harrasing locals in pf-346 and neighbouring systems.
PA helped in joint ops to keep pureblind, tribute and vale free of pirates with corps such as RKK/Celest/Everlasting vendetta etc etc
Then you declare war on us, with the reasons we've heard from numberous corps been
1) PA are pirates (um duh, maybe the odd person has done something questionable and been dealt with, but if we're pirates would we have been doing all the above???)
2) PA are a closed space alliance (um what do those waring against us want to do with venal? Close it to all but their friends.. what are their allies in this war a part of, oh thats right, closed space alliances, FU/Cod/Noard.. just go read the cans outside their space to see)
You then have members of your alliance camp with m00 and evolution (who through bad timing or planning decided to attack at the same time) I have seen first hand pilots from corps other than rkk camping with m00/evol.
But all of that is ok, because your fighting the evil PA.
You keep bringing more corps on board in the war, and don't expect the PA to seek relations with corps that have never harmed us? Lets look at the count so far
Evol/M00/Norad/Fade Union/Coalition of Deklein/Unicor thats 4 alliances and two of the biggest PVP corps in the game, not to mention all the individual corps you have jumping on the bandwagon hungry to beleive everything Jade posts.
Just think about things for a moment. If PA had not been forced into fighting you by you declaring war on the PA, we'd still be out every day hunting pirates. Hell I'd bet my life on it that we'd have been hunting the pirate syndicate the moment they put a foot wrong and pirated someone.
Remember how relations between the PA and CA were strained to say the least, with PA engaging CA one weekend, and CA forces attacking PA another. Because the PA were beleiving all the forum posts about CA been nothing more than pirates... Well if it wasn't for the war, the PA may very well be at war with CA.
But this war has at least shown us one thing.... No matter how much you try to protect the little guy in eve by killing pirates, and trying to make sections of space free and open for all to mine in (aside from pirates).. They will still join the bandwagon against you, and when asked why, its for no reason other than everyone else is.
You have brought the current situation upon yourselves. Whether through trying to manipulate the situation, or just sheer stupidity in not realising what will happen.
It's ok for people in your alliance YES THAT RIGHT ALLIANCE... your own sigs state it "Northern coallition of allies", an alliance is by definition "A union of interested parties, individuals, political entities, the condition of been allied, a coalition" etc etc Whichever way you spin it, you are allied.
Members of your alliance are camping with pirates, yet you all see that as fine and dandy (aside from BNC who have the balls to stick to their principles). The moment PA declare they will also no longer fire on neutrals even if those neutrals are pirates, your up in arms trying to spin and properganda post on the forums again... double standards, I think so.
Perhaps, if we were not at war, we'd be willing to risk fighting pirate forces as and when we came across them or dedicate time to go hunt them down. But with a war on, why should we risk losing ships to a pirate fleet when we can use those ships against players who want to destroy our alliance?
I personally am becoming very tired of playing the good guy in eve. Despite trying our hardest to fight pirates, we are still called pirates and corporations declare war on us because of it. Maybe in the end, I should just turn pirate and put every corp in eve (aside from a few) on the KOS list. At least that way I'd know who my friends are and who are not, and it wouldn't matter who I allied with or not.
Maybe the PA should just give up on been an anti-pirate alliance, and become an alliance that is out just for themselves. I guess you'd all be happy with that. After all, everyone is happy that tribute and vale are now in the hands of pirates and much safer places to visit than before RKK and JF declared war on the PA...
I'm almost laughing as I type this at the hypocricy shown in many peoples posts regarding this war.
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Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Piracy is a meaningless term ...... ask Jade.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAhicks
Sir,
Your post is an emotionally charged opinion. You paint Phoenix Alliance as if it is free from any impurity. Its understandable for you to feel strongly for what you and your commrades believe in. But to paint yourself in an oppositte color than your enemy is not the right course.
And again, I see another arguement saying that this is all Jade's fault. How much power do you think she has other than being CEO of a corperation and skill with writeing?
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Ly'sol
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KIAhicks
Sir,
Your post is an emotionally charged opinion. You paint Phoenix Alliance as if it is free from any impurity. Its understandable for you to feel strongly for what you and your commrades believe in. But to paint yourself in an oppositte color than your enemy is not the right course.
And again, I see another arguement saying that this is all Jade's fault. How much power do you think she has other than being CEO of a corperation and skill with writeing?
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KIAHicks
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oh and I'd like to add one more item for you all to ponder before I go to work.
Celest are an anti-pirate corp, they will hunt pirates, and by definition m00 are pirates, so celest hunt m00. Now just because RKK camp with m00 in a war does not mean celest have to fight RKK. The only reason celest should even consider fighting RKK is if RKK go do joint pirating with m00.
This same logic should apply to the PA as well. If any corp in the PA camps with a corp celest consider to be pirates, so long as that corp does not engage in piracy, celest should keep out of it.
Celest are used as an example because they're the first anti-pirate corp that came to my mind. But that imo applies to every corp in eve that consider themselves anti-pirate.
If corps camping with pirates jointly engage neutrals, OR attack any anti-pirate corp that engages the pirates. Then fair enough, class them as pirates. But until that point, in my book, they're not.
/end of mornings rant.. going to be late for a meeting at work now :P must dash
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAHicks
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oh and I'd like to add one more item for you all to ponder before I go to work.
Celest are an anti-pirate corp, they will hunt pirates, and by definition m00 are pirates, so celest hunt m00. Now just because RKK camp with m00 in a war does not mean celest have to fight RKK. The only reason celest should even consider fighting RKK is if RKK go do joint pirating with m00.
This same logic should apply to the PA as well. If any corp in the PA camps with a corp celest consider to be pirates, so long as that corp does not engage in piracy, celest should keep out of it.
Celest are used as an example because they're the first anti-pirate corp that came to my mind. But that imo applies to every corp in eve that consider themselves anti-pirate.
If corps camping with pirates jointly engage neutrals, OR attack any anti-pirate corp that engages the pirates. Then fair enough, class them as pirates. But until that point, in my book, they're not.
/end of mornings rant.. going to be late for a meeting at work now :P must dash
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2004 11:09:38
Well I confess I actually find it difficult to answer Beatrice the raw novice recruit to the Pheonix Alliance cause (apparently).
Difficult because I donÆt really know where to start: obviously her opinions and facts are mostly wrong. Statements like:
ôThese are rotten people, all of them.ö
Is a pretty sweeping condemnation of a lot of people united in a common cause, how judgemental and narrow-minded must a person be to make this assessment on the second day out of the academy?
ôI'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honestö
Well again, an extremely uncompromising endorsement of a politician that has had his hand in many political shenanigans in the north for the past year. And what a blanket statement of faith! I think only a true believer can say this about another after only two days of public life (or a relative perhaps)?
ôà and his version of the truth is pretty close to accurate.ö
How would you know Beatrice? Were you listening to the voice discussions where matters were promised? Were you in the NVA council half a year ago? Did you play an active role in the negotiations between Oberon and the Foresaken Empire (between studying for your final exams)? Or are you just making a statement on blind faith again?
ôà guess if I had to sum up a justification for why curse, the TPS and PA are now working with each other, is that they're all at least honest about who they are and where they stand.ö
But of course PA is not being honest is it Beatrice? One cannot claim to be an ôanti-pirateö alliance while flying alongside a ôpirate allianceö. You see the distinction here I hope? Reikoku have dropped the ôanti-pirateö phrase from their identifier à that is being honest. For PA corporations to continue to name themselves the enemies of pirates while gate camping EC-8PR system with them is the epitome of dishonest doublespeak.
ôà They [COD] were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I donÆt think PA has any problems with them.ö
Again how would you know? The fact of the matter is that RONA-KIA has declared that CoD must be punished for siding with their friends. As for what went wrong I would advise you to take a pause from reciting PA-sponsored catechisms for a moment and read (and I mean really read) the history thread (currently stickied). The leaders of CoD explain why they are fighting PA and it will illuminate an honest mind.
ôàIt saddens me to look back four months and look at the values they held then, and what their actions say now.ö
How can you look back four months when you only graduated from the academy two days ago? And if you are simply mouthing the words of another person, who are you to speak of honesty?
And then the best for last, the pet-psychological assessment of my many personality flaws:
You state that you gather opinions from an ôearlier time in the NVAö. Well when I was on the NVA council we had a policy of not admitting pilots from novice corps into our councils. It was the thought that a pilot must gain experience of the environment before they were fit for 0.0 and the dangers therein. So I canÆt see how your statement could possibly be truthful.
And since your opening sentence is an attempt at deceit Beatrice, how should the rest not be considered a simple attempt at baseless political slur and de rigour nonsense in routine anonymous vein?
Though that point alone is sufficient to invalidate all you say, I would point you at the history thread again to learn the truth of the lies you attempt to propagate.
Jericho Fraction was ejected from the PA founding coup because I told Halseth and the council that we would never support the Union with Foresaken Empire under any circumstances. Halseth and cronies decided to scapegoat my name to occlude the truth and credulous fools have been convinced by that convenient fiction ever since. Wise commentators have not.
But that brings me back to the beginning and my uncertainty in this regard. Clearly you speak for another. And though it is right and just to demolish this behaviour, I do sense the wisdom in LyÆsolÆs speech (in this and other threads) and I am unwilling to allow a righteous (and justified) sense of wroth at such a cowardly tactic on Beatrice (and backers) behalf influence my general response to more enlightened PA voices.
At the last, know this: two day novices do not have the right to offer meaningful political and psychological commentary and condemnation on year old political disputes (particularly not when such is couched in character assassination and deceitful claims)
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2004 11:09:38
Well I confess I actually find it difficult to answer Beatrice the raw novice recruit to the Pheonix Alliance cause (apparently).
Difficult because I donÆt really know where to start: obviously her opinions and facts are mostly wrong. Statements like:
ôThese are rotten people, all of them.ö
Is a pretty sweeping condemnation of a lot of people united in a common cause, how judgemental and narrow-minded must a person be to make this assessment on the second day out of the academy?
ôI'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honestö
Well again, an extremely uncompromising endorsement of a politician that has had his hand in many political shenanigans in the north for the past year. And what a blanket statement of faith! I think only a true believer can say this about another after only two days of public life (or a relative perhaps)?
ôà and his version of the truth is pretty close to accurate.ö
How would you know Beatrice? Were you listening to the voice discussions where matters were promised? Were you in the NVA council half a year ago? Did you play an active role in the negotiations between Oberon and the Foresaken Empire (between studying for your final exams)? Or are you just making a statement on blind faith again?
ôà guess if I had to sum up a justification for why curse, the TPS and PA are now working with each other, is that they're all at least honest about who they are and where they stand.ö
But of course PA is not being honest is it Beatrice? One cannot claim to be an ôanti-pirateö alliance while flying alongside a ôpirate allianceö. You see the distinction here I hope? Reikoku have dropped the ôanti-pirateö phrase from their identifier à that is being honest. For PA corporations to continue to name themselves the enemies of pirates while gate camping EC-8PR system with them is the epitome of dishonest doublespeak.
ôà They [COD] were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I donÆt think PA has any problems with them.ö
Again how would you know? The fact of the matter is that RONA-KIA has declared that CoD must be punished for siding with their friends. As for what went wrong I would advise you to take a pause from reciting PA-sponsored catechisms for a moment and read (and I mean really read) the history thread (currently stickied). The leaders of CoD explain why they are fighting PA and it will illuminate an honest mind.
ôàIt saddens me to look back four months and look at the values they held then, and what their actions say now.ö
How can you look back four months when you only graduated from the academy two days ago? And if you are simply mouthing the words of another person, who are you to speak of honesty?
And then the best for last, the pet-psychological assessment of my many personality flaws:
You state that you gather opinions from an ôearlier time in the NVAö. Well when I was on the NVA council we had a policy of not admitting pilots from novice corps into our councils. It was the thought that a pilot must gain experience of the environment before they were fit for 0.0 and the dangers therein. So I canÆt see how your statement could possibly be truthful.
And since your opening sentence is an attempt at deceit Beatrice, how should the rest not be considered a simple attempt at baseless political slur and de rigour nonsense in routine anonymous vein?
Though that point alone is sufficient to invalidate all you say, I would point you at the history thread again to learn the truth of the lies you attempt to propagate.
Jericho Fraction was ejected from the PA founding coup because I told Halseth and the council that we would never support the Union with Foresaken Empire under any circumstances. Halseth and cronies decided to scapegoat my name to occlude the truth and credulous fools have been convinced by that convenient fiction ever since. Wise commentators have not.
But that brings me back to the beginning and my uncertainty in this regard. Clearly you speak for another. And though it is right and just to demolish this behaviour, I do sense the wisdom in LyÆsolÆs speech (in this and other threads) and I am unwilling to allow a righteous (and justified) sense of wroth at such a cowardly tactic on Beatrice (and backers) behalf influence my general response to more enlightened PA voices.
At the last, know this: two day novices do not have the right to offer meaningful political and psychological commentary and condemnation on year old political disputes (particularly not when such is couched in character assassination and deceitful claims)
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Durruti
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Originally by: KIAHicks
Seriously, what are you guys expecting? You go to war with an anti-pirate alliance, an alliance that has tried its hardest to fight pirates whenever and where ever it can.
You gentlemen got a NAP with FE; the price of which was ejecting us from the PA. A NAP that allowed your masters to get on with the more pressing business of post-castor grid mining. Doesn't quite sound like fighting "pirates whenever and where ever it can" to me.
Originally by: KIAHicks
Piracy is a meaningless term ...... ask Jade.
So you're now using an out of context quote from Jade to bolster your argument; a quote that you're previously held up as an example of Jade's perfidy? Thanks Hicks, err Gafton, no Beatrice, oh, you know who you are, hilarious stuff.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: KIAHicks
Seriously, what are you guys expecting? You go to war with an anti-pirate alliance, an alliance that has tried its hardest to fight pirates whenever and where ever it can.
You gentlemen got a NAP with FE; the price of which was ejecting us from the PA. A NAP that allowed your masters to get on with the more pressing business of post-castor grid mining. Doesn't quite sound like fighting "pirates whenever and where ever it can" to me.
Originally by: KIAHicks
Piracy is a meaningless term ...... ask Jade.
So you're now using an out of context quote from Jade to bolster your argument; a quote that you're previously held up as an example of Jade's perfidy? Thanks Hicks, err Gafton, no Beatrice, oh, you know who you are, hilarious stuff.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 19/08/2004 11:25:25
Quote:
Sir,
Your post is an emotionally charged opinion. You paint Phoenix Alliance as if it is free from any impurity. Its understandable for you to feel strongly for what you and your commrades believe in. But to paint yourself in an oppositte color than your enemy is not the right course.
And again, I see another arguement saying that this is all Jade's fault. How much power do you think she has other than being CEO of a corperation and skill with writeing?
Every post is emotionally charged, otherwise people would be kinda dull.
I'm not saying the phoenix alliance has never put a foot wrong. Quite the opposite, many a time individuals have engaged in questionable activities, but each time the PA has taken the responsibility for it, and sorted it out (or the individual corp has).
I'm not blaming Jade for everything, however I do blame Jade for a lot of the forum flaming and bringing many corps into this through artful manipulation. You will not agree with me because you are on one side of the conflict, I am on the other, for this reason, its unlikely our views will totally mesh.
I'd love to paint the PA as a saintly alliance, but I am enough of a realist to know that no alliance is perfect. But in the same vein many who war against us would beleive we can do no right, which is just as untrue.
as for out of context quotes.. I personally never used to quote from other players at all, but over time after having quotes used against me and others, its only fair to do the same isn't it... I also do not beleive the quote is out of context.. if you look at the original post it was in. But then again, my reasons for posting the quote were to prove a point about quotint people.
now I really am late for work :P
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 19/08/2004 11:25:25
Quote:
Sir,
Your post is an emotionally charged opinion. You paint Phoenix Alliance as if it is free from any impurity. Its understandable for you to feel strongly for what you and your commrades believe in. But to paint yourself in an oppositte color than your enemy is not the right course.
And again, I see another arguement saying that this is all Jade's fault. How much power do you think she has other than being CEO of a corperation and skill with writeing?
Every post is emotionally charged, otherwise people would be kinda dull.
I'm not saying the phoenix alliance has never put a foot wrong. Quite the opposite, many a time individuals have engaged in questionable activities, but each time the PA has taken the responsibility for it, and sorted it out (or the individual corp has).
I'm not blaming Jade for everything, however I do blame Jade for a lot of the forum flaming and bringing many corps into this through artful manipulation. You will not agree with me because you are on one side of the conflict, I am on the other, for this reason, its unlikely our views will totally mesh.
I'd love to paint the PA as a saintly alliance, but I am enough of a realist to know that no alliance is perfect. But in the same vein many who war against us would beleive we can do no right, which is just as untrue.
as for out of context quotes.. I personally never used to quote from other players at all, but over time after having quotes used against me and others, its only fair to do the same isn't it... I also do not beleive the quote is out of context.. if you look at the original post it was in. But then again, my reasons for posting the quote were to prove a point about quotint people.
now I really am late for work :P
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Lowa on 19/08/2004 11:16:28
IBTL! (Always wanted to say that!)
And I hope to [inserst prefered religious power figure] that it will be locked!
On a light hearted note to Sun Ra; Yes we are anti-pirate, we are shooting at you arnt we?
Now, can we please get this over with and get back in the game?
EDIT: JESUS CHRIST! Like a full page of responses during the time it took me to write a few lines!
Get out more people!
Regards,
LOWA
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Edited by: Lowa on 19/08/2004 11:16:28
IBTL! (Always wanted to say that!)
And I hope to [inserst prefered religious power figure] that it will be locked!
On a light hearted note to Sun Ra; Yes we are anti-pirate, we are shooting at you arnt we?
Now, can we please get this over with and get back in the game?
EDIT: JESUS CHRIST! Like a full page of responses during the time it took me to write a few lines!
Get out more people!
Regards,
LOWA
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:18:00 -
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I actually stand by the quote wholeheartedly by the way. And I think this war shows why its an accurate quote. And make no mistake, I am not throwing up my arms and saying whether its good or bad that the Pheonix Alliance are now in bed with the Pirate Syndicate ... I am just saying that its deceitful for the PA corps to call themselves "anti pirates". They should either remove the term or replace it with something more truthful like:
"Ethically neutral"
"Insular territorial"
"None of your business"
Something like that.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:18:00 -
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I actually stand by the quote wholeheartedly by the way. And I think this war shows why its an accurate quote. And make no mistake, I am not throwing up my arms and saying whether its good or bad that the Pheonix Alliance are now in bed with the Pirate Syndicate ... I am just saying that its deceitful for the PA corps to call themselves "anti pirates". They should either remove the term or replace it with something more truthful like:
"Ethically neutral"
"Insular territorial"
"None of your business"
Something like that.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 19/08/2004 11:29:35
Originally by: Durruti
Originally by: KIAHicks
Seriously, what are you guys expecting? You go to war with an anti-pirate alliance, an alliance that has tried its hardest to fight pirates whenever and where ever it can.
You gentlemen got a NAP with FE; the price of which was ejecting us from the PA. A NAP that allowed your masters to get on with the more pressing business of post-castor grid mining. Doesn't quite sound like fighting "pirates whenever and where ever it can" to me.
Originally by: KIAHicks
Piracy is a meaningless term ...... ask Jade.
So you're now using an out of context quote from Jade to bolster your argument; a quote that you're previously held up as an example of Jade's perfidy? Thanks Hicks, err Gafton, no Beatrice, oh, you know who you are, hilarious stuff.
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us. At the time we were actually camping with a number of JF, and could have backstabbed JF by destorying their ships, however instead we explained to Athule what vote had just taken place, and he agreed to remove his ships from the camp. I can't say he was happy with the vote, but he respected it and the ships left. (Despite what others have said happened in many forum posts during the PA posting blackout)
F-E at the time had given up on the piracy ways, so we decided to give them a second chance and NAP with them. If they ever went back to piracy, we would go back to war, both sides were happy with that. After all why fight pirates, if your not willing to reap the rewards of them giving up their piratical ways?
Everyone can throw the term pirates around as much as you want, but as Jade said in a prior post its a meaningless term when used on these forums. There are too many grey areas as to what is/isn't piracy. From my pov the PA are anti-piracy because we will fight corpations that randomly gank anybody for no reason.
These corpations include M00/Jokers/ (the old F-E) biomass etc
However, just because we have our ideals on been anti-pirate does not mean we have to spend every waking hour fighting pirates. When another alliance declares war, then all bets are off. The goal is to win the war. After the war we can go back to our ideals of how we want the PA to be.
and yes the quote at the end was just used to show how pointless it is to quote others from posts that are old and used out of context. I'm glad you can see my reason for doing so and agree on the idiocy of it.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 19/08/2004 11:29:35
Originally by: Durruti
Originally by: KIAHicks
Seriously, what are you guys expecting? You go to war with an anti-pirate alliance, an alliance that has tried its hardest to fight pirates whenever and where ever it can.
You gentlemen got a NAP with FE; the price of which was ejecting us from the PA. A NAP that allowed your masters to get on with the more pressing business of post-castor grid mining. Doesn't quite sound like fighting "pirates whenever and where ever it can" to me.
Originally by: KIAHicks
Piracy is a meaningless term ...... ask Jade.
So you're now using an out of context quote from Jade to bolster your argument; a quote that you're previously held up as an example of Jade's perfidy? Thanks Hicks, err Gafton, no Beatrice, oh, you know who you are, hilarious stuff.
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us. At the time we were actually camping with a number of JF, and could have backstabbed JF by destorying their ships, however instead we explained to Athule what vote had just taken place, and he agreed to remove his ships from the camp. I can't say he was happy with the vote, but he respected it and the ships left. (Despite what others have said happened in many forum posts during the PA posting blackout)
F-E at the time had given up on the piracy ways, so we decided to give them a second chance and NAP with them. If they ever went back to piracy, we would go back to war, both sides were happy with that. After all why fight pirates, if your not willing to reap the rewards of them giving up their piratical ways?
Everyone can throw the term pirates around as much as you want, but as Jade said in a prior post its a meaningless term when used on these forums. There are too many grey areas as to what is/isn't piracy. From my pov the PA are anti-piracy because we will fight corpations that randomly gank anybody for no reason.
These corpations include M00/Jokers/ (the old F-E) biomass etc
However, just because we have our ideals on been anti-pirate does not mean we have to spend every waking hour fighting pirates. When another alliance declares war, then all bets are off. The goal is to win the war. After the war we can go back to our ideals of how we want the PA to be.
and yes the quote at the end was just used to show how pointless it is to quote others from posts that are old and used out of context. I'm glad you can see my reason for doing so and agree on the idiocy of it.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:25:00 -
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Quote:
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
It really doesn't help that you continue to perpetuate that fiction Hicks. The FE demanded that Jericho Fraction be ejected from the NVA as a pre-requisite for Union and NAP. Surprise surprise Jericho Fraction is then ejected. A few weeks later PA gets the NAP with FE. You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:25:00 -
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Quote:
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
It really doesn't help that you continue to perpetuate that fiction Hicks. The FE demanded that Jericho Fraction be ejected from the NVA as a pre-requisite for Union and NAP. Surprise surprise Jericho Fraction is then ejected. A few weeks later PA gets the NAP with FE. You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:27:00 -
[219]
Originally by: KIAHicks
Edited by: KIAHicks on 19/08/2004 11:21:49
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
Im afraid this statement hurts your position. Typically when leading a large body of people. You give them what the want. Not what you want. NVA needed and wanted victories....Seems as though my CEO went throught the troubles of provideing it.
Was it the leadership not likeing the idea of Jade usurpering thier popular authority by providing what was needed or was it truely becuase of the words she says?
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:27:00 -
[220]
Originally by: KIAHicks
Edited by: KIAHicks on 19/08/2004 11:21:49
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
Im afraid this statement hurts your position. Typically when leading a large body of people. You give them what the want. Not what you want. NVA needed and wanted victories....Seems as though my CEO went throught the troubles of provideing it.
Was it the leadership not likeing the idea of Jade usurpering thier popular authority by providing what was needed or was it truely becuase of the words she says?
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:33:00 -
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I keep seeing Comments about Unicore and Yet No NCA big mouths decide to touch that subject
When TPS first started Fighting Unicore
This was the time when NCA was torlling on the forums stateing how well the war was going and pa was getting owned
More blah blah
So one could only ask. if the war was going so well then how come you couldnt send forces to help unicore?
as far as im concerened PA was the only people who came down to help unicore before unicore decided to backstab them.
Jericho fraction wasnt there RKK wasnt there fade wasnt there either.
Unicore was basically a buffer to deal with us
Only now you see "TPS" in forum posts by NCA forum trolls because we came up to the north and started killing them.
So It either A. They were lieing about how well NCA was doing about the PA
B. They just quite simply didnt care about unicore.
C. Both
We all know the answer here. well at least the people who think straight...
I still find it funny that members of Unicore still help NCA to this date yet NCA was nowhere to be found When unicore was in trouble.
DeDGuy from Millenium said it best " I feel backstabbed here "
i leave this up to you. i wonder how well the NCA forum trolls can twist this fact around.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:33:00 -
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I keep seeing Comments about Unicore and Yet No NCA big mouths decide to touch that subject
When TPS first started Fighting Unicore
This was the time when NCA was torlling on the forums stateing how well the war was going and pa was getting owned
More blah blah
So one could only ask. if the war was going so well then how come you couldnt send forces to help unicore?
as far as im concerened PA was the only people who came down to help unicore before unicore decided to backstab them.
Jericho fraction wasnt there RKK wasnt there fade wasnt there either.
Unicore was basically a buffer to deal with us
Only now you see "TPS" in forum posts by NCA forum trolls because we came up to the north and started killing them.
So It either A. They were lieing about how well NCA was doing about the PA
B. They just quite simply didnt care about unicore.
C. Both
We all know the answer here. well at least the people who think straight...
I still find it funny that members of Unicore still help NCA to this date yet NCA was nowhere to be found When unicore was in trouble.
DeDGuy from Millenium said it best " I feel backstabbed here "
i leave this up to you. i wonder how well the NCA forum trolls can twist this fact around.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 11:45:55
Priorities:
Alliance > Corp >= Allied Corps/friends > Self > Other
If you apply the above simple logic to your questions, you will easily find an answer to why we rather fight to keep our alliance alive than help others at the time being.
I've personally taken a great joy in hunting those who hunt themselves. Fighting against people who barely can defend themselves gives me no pleasure, it is too easy. This is the reason I choose to hunt "pirates".
You keep bringing up "NAP with FE" time after time as a very bad commercial. This is three FACTS that you constantly choose to leave out about that:
1,
PA had been fighting FE for several months already
2,
PA was in a war with other enemies when the NAP was proposed. We had enough to defend our selves
3, (and the most important)
In that non agression deal package was that no FE forces would be tolerated hunting carebears in Pureblind or any other region PA had sought to defend for the common good. In other words: For the NAP to continue to be valid they had to stop pirating.
I've had enough "discussing" with most of you. Things like the FE NAP has been replied to thousands of times already. But you keep bringing it up pretending you don't know anything about it. You repeat the same arguments over and over again like mindless chicken cackling away.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 19/08/2004 11:45:55
Priorities:
Alliance > Corp >= Allied Corps/friends > Self > Other
If you apply the above simple logic to your questions, you will easily find an answer to why we rather fight to keep our alliance alive than help others at the time being.
I've personally taken a great joy in hunting those who hunt themselves. Fighting against people who barely can defend themselves gives me no pleasure, it is too easy. This is the reason I choose to hunt "pirates".
You keep bringing up "NAP with FE" time after time as a very bad commercial. This is three FACTS that you constantly choose to leave out about that:
1,
PA had been fighting FE for several months already
2,
PA was in a war with other enemies when the NAP was proposed. We had enough to defend our selves
3, (and the most important)
In that non agression deal package was that no FE forces would be tolerated hunting carebears in Pureblind or any other region PA had sought to defend for the common good. In other words: For the NAP to continue to be valid they had to stop pirating.
I've had enough "discussing" with most of you. Things like the FE NAP has been replied to thousands of times already. But you keep bringing it up pretending you don't know anything about it. You repeat the same arguments over and over again like mindless chicken cackling away.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:42:00 -
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Quote:
Im afraid this statement hurts your position. Typically when leading a large body of people. You give them what the want. Not what you want. NVA needed and wanted victories....Seems as though my CEO went throught the troubles of provideing it.
Was it the leadership not likeing the idea of Jade usurpering thier popular authority by providing what was needed or was it truely becuase of the words she says?
Actually Ly'sol, you do make a very good point. It was brought to the attention of the NVA council at that time that certain people were unhappy in the very public leadership provided by Jericho Fraction, and certainly by the tactics we employed in the attempt to win the war. The recruitment of Celestial Apocalypse, Millenium, Deathstar and Quantum Industries was greatly contested by Hicks and Gafton and others on the NVA council because they viewed it as "Jade empire building", while others such as Oberon and CDI and RONA contested the use of mercenary corporations and assassins in targetting Forsaken Empire assets in Geminate.
Thinking back, the root of the issue was that some NVA corporations wanted to downplay the agression level of the war and return the NVA fleet to Venal to cover their mining operations primarily, while other more combat-oriented corporations wanted to continue the attacks on the FE homeland and bring "peace at home" through "engagement in enemy territory". I was very much a "hawk" on the NVA council and feld we could never have peace with the FE because their very nature did not allow the possibility of "allies" merely "victims" or "clients".
It makes sense to me that my public statements and military intentions would certainly have annoyed people who were privately planning political union with the FE. I must certainly have been an embarrassing anachronism to that cause!
So ultimately, I do believe this is all politics and pragmatic compromise and behind closed doors (quite literally in the Crice negotiations) deal making rather than any kind of personal issue.
I tend to consider people claiming the "it was all because we hated Jade" position of being either dishonest or misinformed. Fundimentally you don't destroy an alliance and revoke all agreements and prior reputation because you dislike one member of the council with one vote out of twenty four.
If Hicks and Halseth and co really wanted to make a point about not liking me they could have proposed a censure motion on the PA council and (if it passed) asked JF to appoint another rep.
What actually happened was a political coup with no voting or due process in order to clear the decks and prepare for full political reallignment with old enemies.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:42:00 -
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Quote:
Im afraid this statement hurts your position. Typically when leading a large body of people. You give them what the want. Not what you want. NVA needed and wanted victories....Seems as though my CEO went throught the troubles of provideing it.
Was it the leadership not likeing the idea of Jade usurpering thier popular authority by providing what was needed or was it truely becuase of the words she says?
Actually Ly'sol, you do make a very good point. It was brought to the attention of the NVA council at that time that certain people were unhappy in the very public leadership provided by Jericho Fraction, and certainly by the tactics we employed in the attempt to win the war. The recruitment of Celestial Apocalypse, Millenium, Deathstar and Quantum Industries was greatly contested by Hicks and Gafton and others on the NVA council because they viewed it as "Jade empire building", while others such as Oberon and CDI and RONA contested the use of mercenary corporations and assassins in targetting Forsaken Empire assets in Geminate.
Thinking back, the root of the issue was that some NVA corporations wanted to downplay the agression level of the war and return the NVA fleet to Venal to cover their mining operations primarily, while other more combat-oriented corporations wanted to continue the attacks on the FE homeland and bring "peace at home" through "engagement in enemy territory". I was very much a "hawk" on the NVA council and feld we could never have peace with the FE because their very nature did not allow the possibility of "allies" merely "victims" or "clients".
It makes sense to me that my public statements and military intentions would certainly have annoyed people who were privately planning political union with the FE. I must certainly have been an embarrassing anachronism to that cause!
So ultimately, I do believe this is all politics and pragmatic compromise and behind closed doors (quite literally in the Crice negotiations) deal making rather than any kind of personal issue.
I tend to consider people claiming the "it was all because we hated Jade" position of being either dishonest or misinformed. Fundimentally you don't destroy an alliance and revoke all agreements and prior reputation because you dislike one member of the council with one vote out of twenty four.
If Hicks and Halseth and co really wanted to make a point about not liking me they could have proposed a censure motion on the PA council and (if it passed) asked JF to appoint another rep.
What actually happened was a political coup with no voting or due process in order to clear the decks and prepare for full political reallignment with old enemies.
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Khouri
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:43:00 -
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The term pirate is meaningless now because of this kinda crud.
SPVD, Biomass (in the old days) were pirates, through and through.
Now the term pirate is used so much, that its simply become meaningless and anyone who fires on someone is classed as a pirate, by the party that got shot at.
Quite simply, STFU ya'll and fight it out instead of trying to justify your actions.
Does it matter? Hell no
ITS A GAME, PLAY IT HOW YOU WANT.
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Khouri
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:43:00 -
[228]
The term pirate is meaningless now because of this kinda crud.
SPVD, Biomass (in the old days) were pirates, through and through.
Now the term pirate is used so much, that its simply become meaningless and anyone who fires on someone is classed as a pirate, by the party that got shot at.
Quite simply, STFU ya'll and fight it out instead of trying to justify your actions.
Does it matter? Hell no
ITS A GAME, PLAY IT HOW YOU WANT.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:47:00 -
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Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:47:00 -
[230]
Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:51:00 -
[231]
Edited by: The End on 19/08/2004 12:00:51
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
ROFL!!!
Unicore was activly Fighting PA before TPS became a problem for them.
No do not try to classify it has 2 seperate wars
it just goes to show Your abandoning of them.
This Has been one war.
I remember reading on the Unicore forums that Kirin from everlasting vendetta asked NCA to come and help them
Db Preacher then replied that "they have their hands full atm and will be down soon"
Is db preacher secretly a dev? sounds like she knows how to answer like one
NCA never came.
Also i remember reading that members of Unicore were upset that in the NCA forums that Unicore was not even metioned as members. and some unicore members were mad about that.
FACT: NCA abandoned Unicore when in a time of need
and you say i should ask unicore?
Sure ill have the Big CHunk of Unicore pilots who Joined TPS cuz they were sick of all the BS.
Good day
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:51:00 -
[232]
Edited by: The End on 19/08/2004 12:00:51
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
ROFL!!!
Unicore was activly Fighting PA before TPS became a problem for them.
No do not try to classify it has 2 seperate wars
it just goes to show Your abandoning of them.
This Has been one war.
I remember reading on the Unicore forums that Kirin from everlasting vendetta asked NCA to come and help them
Db Preacher then replied that "they have their hands full atm and will be down soon"
Is db preacher secretly a dev? sounds like she knows how to answer like one
NCA never came.
Also i remember reading that members of Unicore were upset that in the NCA forums that Unicore was not even metioned as members. and some unicore members were mad about that.
FACT: NCA abandoned Unicore when in a time of need
and you say i should ask unicore?
Sure ill have the Big CHunk of Unicore pilots who Joined TPS cuz they were sick of all the BS.
Good day
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Shalmaneser ili
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:53:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
**** that....why didnt u backup unicor in their time of need?
u are supposed to be allies isnt it?
u played unicor and its sad that they wont see the truth,
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Shalmaneser ili
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:53:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
**** that....why didnt u backup unicor in their time of need?
u are supposed to be allies isnt it?
u played unicor and its sad that they wont see the truth,
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Comnander Marcello
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:54:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Jake Constantine
It makes sense to me that my public statements and military intentions would certainly have annoyed people who were privately planning political union with the FE. I must certainly have been an embarrassing anachronism to that cause!
And again EVERYTHING is about Jade.
All the grand secret plots cooked up in the dark in a night with heavy rain and thunder has Jade in it.
Ohh.. how does it feel to be in the center of the universe, please share with us.
You were kicked out because noone liked you.
Very simple and not even close to the conspiracy theories you like to drag up to paint yourself as an important person.
They didn't want you with them!
Maybe you should answer The Ends post instead?
That one seems important.
I've been a bystander in this war, having info from several sources. But none in TPS. What he says fits right in with the rest of what I heard and things I figured out myself.
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Comnander Marcello
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jake Constantine
It makes sense to me that my public statements and military intentions would certainly have annoyed people who were privately planning political union with the FE. I must certainly have been an embarrassing anachronism to that cause!
And again EVERYTHING is about Jade.
All the grand secret plots cooked up in the dark in a night with heavy rain and thunder has Jade in it.
Ohh.. how does it feel to be in the center of the universe, please share with us.
You were kicked out because noone liked you.
Very simple and not even close to the conspiracy theories you like to drag up to paint yourself as an important person.
They didn't want you with them!
Maybe you should answer The Ends post instead?
That one seems important.
I've been a bystander in this war, having info from several sources. But none in TPS. What he says fits right in with the rest of what I heard and things I figured out myself.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:59:00 -
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Ah the endless barrage of novices with big opinions. How the old songs play!
And to "Ends" and TPS and Shalmanzer the Unicor knocker. Chaps, Unicor was instrumental in crushing TPS fleets in Pureblind for the past two nights.
But of course, we know all about TPS psyops.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 11:59:00 -
[238]
Ah the endless barrage of novices with big opinions. How the old songs play!
And to "Ends" and TPS and Shalmanzer the Unicor knocker. Chaps, Unicor was instrumental in crushing TPS fleets in Pureblind for the past two nights.
But of course, we know all about TPS psyops.
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:02:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Ah the endless barrage of novices with big opinions. How the old songs play!
And to "Ends" and TPS and Shalmanzer the Unicor knocker. Chaps, Unicor was instrumental in crushing TPS fleets in Pureblind for the past two nights.
But of course, we know all about TPS psyops.
really?
Hmm
/emote looks at the kill mails
Nope looks like weve been having lots of fun in the past 2 days
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:02:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Ah the endless barrage of novices with big opinions. How the old songs play!
And to "Ends" and TPS and Shalmanzer the Unicor knocker. Chaps, Unicor was instrumental in crushing TPS fleets in Pureblind for the past two nights.
But of course, we know all about TPS psyops.
really?
Hmm
/emote looks at the kill mails
Nope looks like weve been having lots of fun in the past 2 days
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:07:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2004 12:12:25
Well, discussion of winning and losing in this context is of course entirely pointless since with the changing of the guard and activity patterns its often the case that ships simply miss each other in the night eh monsieur Ends, but suffice to say the presence of Unicor corps on both your kill and loss mails will suggest that they are not out of the fight by a long way and your rumours of their destruction? Exagerated at best. Still, welcome to the war and enjoy your psy-ops.
PS Incidently, here is what a Unicor commander has to say about the situation TPS and PA.
Quote:
"have always dealt with honour, and TPS certainly has my respect.
Our withdrawal from P3 into deep 0.0 wasn't, as implied, due to any particular withering blow - it was a tactical move (one which I did not personally agree with) intended to concentrate military power in strategic locations. It was simply felt that p3 wasn't worth the resources it was costing.
Let it not be thought that we did not give a good account of ourselves. Equally, let it not be thought that UNICOR is dead. We're back, and we're better...
We had two enemies in those days - TPS and ourselves. Communication breakdowns and lack of organisation plagued us and gave TPS the in they needed to get the whole psyops thing going. Had our house been more in order, things may well have turned out very differently...
Here's to brighter days ..."
I think that clears up the myth.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:07:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/08/2004 12:12:25
Well, discussion of winning and losing in this context is of course entirely pointless since with the changing of the guard and activity patterns its often the case that ships simply miss each other in the night eh monsieur Ends, but suffice to say the presence of Unicor corps on both your kill and loss mails will suggest that they are not out of the fight by a long way and your rumours of their destruction? Exagerated at best. Still, welcome to the war and enjoy your psy-ops.
PS Incidently, here is what a Unicor commander has to say about the situation TPS and PA.
Quote:
"have always dealt with honour, and TPS certainly has my respect.
Our withdrawal from P3 into deep 0.0 wasn't, as implied, due to any particular withering blow - it was a tactical move (one which I did not personally agree with) intended to concentrate military power in strategic locations. It was simply felt that p3 wasn't worth the resources it was costing.
Let it not be thought that we did not give a good account of ourselves. Equally, let it not be thought that UNICOR is dead. We're back, and we're better...
We had two enemies in those days - TPS and ourselves. Communication breakdowns and lack of organisation plagued us and gave TPS the in they needed to get the whole psyops thing going. Had our house been more in order, things may well have turned out very differently...
Here's to brighter days ..."
I think that clears up the myth.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:13:00 -
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The Unicor situation is simple.
We sat down with them about two weeks into the war and asked that they stay relatively close to Tribute.
The leaders of Unicor quite rightly said "nah, we're cool. Geminate is the place to be".
They then moved out and proceeded to kick the living **** out of TPS up until the point when Equilibria formed.
Unicor asked for our help once and a 20 man c0d fleet went down and kicked TPS around that weekend.
However, without it's main pvp fleet in order, UNICOR fell to the brilliance of Cao Cao's divide and conquer tactics that we have seen repeated so many times in Eve history.
I look now at the remenants of UNICOR.
Equilibria are fighting alongside RKK/m0o/Evol in BKG.
The rest of the UNICOR corps apart from MLM are stationed in Pure Blind.
MLM are in Torrinos rebuilding and are stronger than ever.
Nothing has changed, we're still fighting together and all the words in the world won't divide us.
But I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Trying to drive a wedge between us achieves nothing but bringing us closer together.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:13:00 -
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The Unicor situation is simple.
We sat down with them about two weeks into the war and asked that they stay relatively close to Tribute.
The leaders of Unicor quite rightly said "nah, we're cool. Geminate is the place to be".
They then moved out and proceeded to kick the living **** out of TPS up until the point when Equilibria formed.
Unicor asked for our help once and a 20 man c0d fleet went down and kicked TPS around that weekend.
However, without it's main pvp fleet in order, UNICOR fell to the brilliance of Cao Cao's divide and conquer tactics that we have seen repeated so many times in Eve history.
I look now at the remenants of UNICOR.
Equilibria are fighting alongside RKK/m0o/Evol in BKG.
The rest of the UNICOR corps apart from MLM are stationed in Pure Blind.
MLM are in Torrinos rebuilding and are stronger than ever.
Nothing has changed, we're still fighting together and all the words in the world won't divide us.
But I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Trying to drive a wedge between us achieves nothing but bringing us closer together.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Xavier VanXian
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier VanXian on 19/08/2004 12:16:02
Well, The End don't be suprised by Jade reports about your defeast acording to Ly'sol ealier in this conversastion:
___________
Im afraid this statement hurts your position.
Typically when leading a large body of people. You give them what the want. Not what you want. NVA needed and wanted victories....Seems as though my CEO went throught the troubles of provideing it.
__________
I think if that applied to NVA it's still applying to JPA/NCA
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Xavier VanXian
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier VanXian on 19/08/2004 12:16:02
Well, The End don't be suprised by Jade reports about your defeast acording to Ly'sol ealier in this conversastion:
___________
Im afraid this statement hurts your position.
Typically when leading a large body of people. You give them what the want. Not what you want. NVA needed and wanted victories....Seems as though my CEO went throught the troubles of provideing it.
__________
I think if that applied to NVA it's still applying to JPA/NCA
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Comnander Marcello
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:18:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote:
"have always dealt with honour, and TPS certainly has my respect.
Our withdrawal from P3 into deep 0.0 wasn't, as implied, due to any particular withering blow - it was a tactical move (one which I did not personally agree with) intended to concentrate military power in strategic locations. It was simply felt that p3 wasn't worth the resources it was costing.
Let it not be thought that we did not give a good account of ourselves. Equally, let it not be thought that UNICOR is dead. We're back, and we're better...
We had two enemies in those days - TPS and ourselves. Communication breakdowns and lack of organisation plagued us and gave TPS the in they needed to get the whole psyops thing going. Had our house been more in order, things may well have turned out very differently...
Here's to brighter days ..."
I think that clears up the myth.
Uhhm.. That is just an opinion
It doesn't clear anything up.
But ok, lets play:
Originally by: PA person
The losses inflicted on our enemies are hysterical. One corp alone has killed over 300 battleships. One corp! Only fanatics like Jade still believe they have a chance of getting out of this on top.
I hope that clears up the myth
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Comnander Marcello
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:18:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote:
"have always dealt with honour, and TPS certainly has my respect.
Our withdrawal from P3 into deep 0.0 wasn't, as implied, due to any particular withering blow - it was a tactical move (one which I did not personally agree with) intended to concentrate military power in strategic locations. It was simply felt that p3 wasn't worth the resources it was costing.
Let it not be thought that we did not give a good account of ourselves. Equally, let it not be thought that UNICOR is dead. We're back, and we're better...
We had two enemies in those days - TPS and ourselves. Communication breakdowns and lack of organisation plagued us and gave TPS the in they needed to get the whole psyops thing going. Had our house been more in order, things may well have turned out very differently...
Here's to brighter days ..."
I think that clears up the myth.
Uhhm.. That is just an opinion
It doesn't clear anything up.
But ok, lets play:
Originally by: PA person
The losses inflicted on our enemies are hysterical. One corp alone has killed over 300 battleships. One corp! Only fanatics like Jade still believe they have a chance of getting out of this on top.
I hope that clears up the myth
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:25:00 -
[249]
Edited by: The End on 19/08/2004 12:28:26
Once again more yap yap from Jade and dbpreacher
first Jade:
You quoted zzazzt
Its funny that you quoted him.
Millenium corp was indeed the most upset with unicore and nca.
the millienium guys were the first to start joining tps which almost led to the destruciton of the corp.
with all due repsect to zzazzt and millenium
zzazzt was about to join TPS himself. but his love for the his long time corp prevented him not joining. He felt if he left. millenium would disband.
We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.
also zzazzt wasnt in charge of the fleets nor was in high command at the time TPS and unicore were fighting.
You gave me no direct answer and quoted a person i personally have no idea why you did.
This new unicore may be led by zzazzt but the old one was destroyed because it was abandoned
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as for dbpreacher
I did see where kirin said on your forums "that we were cool"
But Kirin was blind to know what was going on.
anyway maybe if you were in teh area in the first place maybe you would know
and i love how you guys state that we were getting beat down.
yet we are in tribute vale and geminate but how could that be since were beat down.
we got more of a fight from unicore in the last 3 weeks of the war then we ever did.
anyway maybe you guys would be able to post some accurate and dead on info about this issue IF YOU WERE HELPING UNICORE
i have yet to get a direct answer and i assume i will never. just more yap yap
i quite frankly dont care anymore. and its time for cookies and milk.
Time for the biomass stockpile to pick up
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:25:00 -
[250]
Edited by: The End on 19/08/2004 12:28:26
Once again more yap yap from Jade and dbpreacher
first Jade:
You quoted zzazzt
Its funny that you quoted him.
Millenium corp was indeed the most upset with unicore and nca.
the millienium guys were the first to start joining tps which almost led to the destruciton of the corp.
with all due repsect to zzazzt and millenium
zzazzt was about to join TPS himself. but his love for the his long time corp prevented him not joining. He felt if he left. millenium would disband.
We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.
also zzazzt wasnt in charge of the fleets nor was in high command at the time TPS and unicore were fighting.
You gave me no direct answer and quoted a person i personally have no idea why you did.
This new unicore may be led by zzazzt but the old one was destroyed because it was abandoned
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as for dbpreacher
I did see where kirin said on your forums "that we were cool"
But Kirin was blind to know what was going on.
anyway maybe if you were in teh area in the first place maybe you would know
and i love how you guys state that we were getting beat down.
yet we are in tribute vale and geminate but how could that be since were beat down.
we got more of a fight from unicore in the last 3 weeks of the war then we ever did.
anyway maybe you guys would be able to post some accurate and dead on info about this issue IF YOU WERE HELPING UNICORE
i have yet to get a direct answer and i assume i will never. just more yap yap
i quite frankly dont care anymore. and its time for cookies and milk.
Time for the biomass stockpile to pick up
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Gozer
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:53:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Gozer on 19/08/2004 12:55:03
Originally by: The End
Edited by: The End on 19/08/2004 12:28:26
first Jade:
You quoted zzazzt
Its funny that you quoted him.
Millenium corp was indeed the most upset with unicore and nca.
the millienium guys were the first to start joining tps which almost led to the destruciton of the corp.
with all due repsect to zzazzt and millenium
zzazzt was about to join TPS himself. but his love for the his long time corp prevented him not joining. He felt if he left. millenium would disband.
We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.
also zzazzt wasnt in charge of the fleets nor was in high command at the time TPS and unicore were fighting.
You gave me no direct answer and quoted a person i personally have no idea why you did.
This new unicore may be led by zzazzt but the old one was destroyed because it was abandoned
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With all due respect The End - This is bllx.
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Gozer
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:53:00 -
[252]
Edited by: Gozer on 19/08/2004 12:55:03
Originally by: The End
Edited by: The End on 19/08/2004 12:28:26
first Jade:
You quoted zzazzt
Its funny that you quoted him.
Millenium corp was indeed the most upset with unicore and nca.
the millienium guys were the first to start joining tps which almost led to the destruciton of the corp.
with all due repsect to zzazzt and millenium
zzazzt was about to join TPS himself. but his love for the his long time corp prevented him not joining. He felt if he left. millenium would disband.
We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.
also zzazzt wasnt in charge of the fleets nor was in high command at the time TPS and unicore were fighting.
You gave me no direct answer and quoted a person i personally have no idea why you did.
This new unicore may be led by zzazzt but the old one was destroyed because it was abandoned
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With all due respect The End - This is bllx.
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:58:00 -
[253]
Edited by: The End on 19/08/2004 13:03:56
Gozer i still have the chat logs...
just found them now
Zzazzt is a dedicated Member to millenium anyhow.
You would have to have been there at the time to know what he was feeling or his corp rather.
Millenium gets my respect and all of tps's respect for his actions in the game.
P.S and i even have a chat log of me talking about chocolate covered donuts
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 12:58:00 -
[254]
Edited by: The End on 19/08/2004 13:03:56
Gozer i still have the chat logs...
just found them now
Zzazzt is a dedicated Member to millenium anyhow.
You would have to have been there at the time to know what he was feeling or his corp rather.
Millenium gets my respect and all of tps's respect for his actions in the game.
P.S and i even have a chat log of me talking about chocolate covered donuts
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Gozer
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:01:00 -
[255]
Edited by: Gozer on 19/08/2004 13:03:58
'We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.'
I doubt that figure is correct. And we would not have disbanded if Zz had left.
Was my point.
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Gozer
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:01:00 -
[256]
Edited by: Gozer on 19/08/2004 13:03:58
'We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.'
I doubt that figure is correct. And we would not have disbanded if Zz had left.
Was my point.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:04:00 -
[257]
Edited by: Mirus Crosius on 19/08/2004 13:06:36
It's fair to say that Zzazzt has not only saved a doomed Unicor, but a potentially doomed Millennium as well.
I just got sick and tired of the political harranging and totally lost interest in being a pawn in whoever wanted Millennium "on-side". Zzazzt took control, shook the corp up and did what was right for Millennium. And because of it, my interest in the game is back to it's usual giddy heights, our membership has swollen, we're having far much more fun and we're better organised.
So I'm taking a minute to respect Zz for that.
Millennium is here to enjoy the game and milk out the best experience possible from it. Put your politics, fuming and flaming all in a box, bury it in the back garden and leave it at that.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:04:00 -
[258]
Edited by: Mirus Crosius on 19/08/2004 13:06:36
It's fair to say that Zzazzt has not only saved a doomed Unicor, but a potentially doomed Millennium as well.
I just got sick and tired of the political harranging and totally lost interest in being a pawn in whoever wanted Millennium "on-side". Zzazzt took control, shook the corp up and did what was right for Millennium. And because of it, my interest in the game is back to it's usual giddy heights, our membership has swollen, we're having far much more fun and we're better organised.
So I'm taking a minute to respect Zz for that.
Millennium is here to enjoy the game and milk out the best experience possible from it. Put your politics, fuming and flaming all in a box, bury it in the back garden and leave it at that.
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:05:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Gozer
Edited by: Gozer on 19/08/2004 13:03:58
'We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.'
I doubt that figure is correct. And we would not have disbanded if Zz had left.
Was my point.
maybe not but he was afraid that might have happened
oh well its irrelevant now.
back to cookies and milk
/emote passes out the beer
anyone want any?
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The End
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:05:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Gozer
Edited by: Gozer on 19/08/2004 13:03:58
'We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.'
I doubt that figure is correct. And we would not have disbanded if Zz had left.
Was my point.
maybe not but he was afraid that might have happened
oh well its irrelevant now.
back to cookies and milk
/emote passes out the beer
anyone want any?
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Gozer
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:07:00 -
[261]
Edited by: Gozer on 19/08/2004 13:08:39
maybe not but he was afraid that might have happened
oh well its irrelevant now.
back to cookies and milk
/emote passes out the beer
anyone want any?
would love one please. work sucks. 
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Gozer
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:07:00 -
[262]
Edited by: Gozer on 19/08/2004 13:08:39
maybe not but he was afraid that might have happened
oh well its irrelevant now.
back to cookies and milk
/emote passes out the beer
anyone want any?
would love one please. work sucks.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:08:00 -
[263]
Well for my money Zzazzt is a good fellow and dedicated to his corporation and their allies and he impressed me a lot. TPS can spiel psyops propaganda till the cows come home but at the end of the day everyone makes their own choices and does what they personally feel to be right.
Millenium was always a good corporation and after some hard times they are back to good form and positive direction.
That earns my respect.
JF Public Forum |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:08:00 -
[264]
Well for my money Zzazzt is a good fellow and dedicated to his corporation and their allies and he impressed me a lot. TPS can spiel psyops propaganda till the cows come home but at the end of the day everyone makes their own choices and does what they personally feel to be right.
Millenium was always a good corporation and after some hard times they are back to good form and positive direction.
That earns my respect.
JF Public Forum |
Gozer
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:13:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well for my money Zzazzt is a good fellow and dedicated to his corporation and their allies and he impressed me a lot. TPS can spiel psyops propaganda till the cows come home but at the end of the day everyone makes their own choices and does what they personally feel to be right.
Millenium was always a good corporation and after some hard times they are back to good form and positive direction.
That earns my respect.
You're damn straight Zz is a good fellow. We've been best friends in rl for nigh on 20 years.. 
And Millennium is most definitely on the up!
Here's to the Eve Fest 2004. Hope to see you all there..
The End - where's my beer?
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Gozer
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:13:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well for my money Zzazzt is a good fellow and dedicated to his corporation and their allies and he impressed me a lot. TPS can spiel psyops propaganda till the cows come home but at the end of the day everyone makes their own choices and does what they personally feel to be right.
Millenium was always a good corporation and after some hard times they are back to good form and positive direction.
That earns my respect.
You're damn straight Zz is a good fellow. We've been best friends in rl for nigh on 20 years..
And Millennium is most definitely on the up!
Here's to the Eve Fest 2004. Hope to see you all there..
The End - where's my beer?
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Dyesise
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:15:00 -
[267]
blah blah rent a mouth constantine and her lackies again |
Dyesise
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:15:00 -
[268]
blah blah rent a mouth constantine and her lackies again |
Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:17:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Dyesise
blah blah rent a mouth constantine and her lackies again
Post here often, do you?
Oh no, you don't.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.08.19 13:17:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Dyesise
blah blah rent a mouth constantine and her lackies again
Post here often, do you?
Oh no, you don't.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.08.19 14:23:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
The recruitment of Celestial Apocalypse, Millenium, Deathstar and Quantum Industries was greatly contested by Hicks and Gafton and others on the NVA council because they viewed it as "Jade empire building", while others such as Oberon and CDI and RONA contested the use of mercenary corporations and assassins in targetting Forsaken Empire assets in Geminate.
I did not contest the application of those corp, nor their membership. However I STRONGLY contested the way they had been brought into the alliance via what seemed to me to be a straw poll. It was for this reason I tried to formalise voting in of new corps to require a vote from every member corporation at a predetermined meeting. This tradition continues to this day and ensure that no one person can bring new corps in.
Even if you spoke to every single corp individual and all agreed, you could still not bring a new corp in, until an official vote has occured at a saturday meeting.
The reasons for this are purley to avoid bad-blood between corps where one person brings someone in with the best of intentions but others see it as brining them in without been consulted.
Personal I was over-joyed that we had corps like celest, dsin and rkk joining the fight, they proved a valuable asset. However at the time i did not like and still don't like the way they were brought in.
As with most things in the game, views and opinions change over time as new information comes to light. but one thing remains the same, unless all corps (all been a majority) agree to something at the same time, it shouldn't occur.
For example, at all meetings, any corp that fails to represent themselves are automatically assumed to vote against whatever change is planned. This is what occured when jerricho was voted out, any corp that didn't attend the pre-scheduled meeting was assumed to vote against the removal of JF. As it happened enough people voted yes to make those missing corps a none issue. That is the best we can do to ensure things run smoothly whilst maintaining as much democracy as possible.
Halseth may want new corps to join PA, he may even go around and get "YES" votes from all corps, but unless their is an official vote to bring them in, he still can't act on it, because in doing so, it would make some feel he was over stepping his powers.
Much like happened to you. You had the best of intentions I'm sure, and it wasn't what you did that was the problem, mearly the way it was done.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.08.19 14:23:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
The recruitment of Celestial Apocalypse, Millenium, Deathstar and Quantum Industries was greatly contested by Hicks and Gafton and others on the NVA council because they viewed it as "Jade empire building", while others such as Oberon and CDI and RONA contested the use of mercenary corporations and assassins in targetting Forsaken Empire assets in Geminate.
I did not contest the application of those corp, nor their membership. However I STRONGLY contested the way they had been brought into the alliance via what seemed to me to be a straw poll. It was for this reason I tried to formalise voting in of new corps to require a vote from every member corporation at a predetermined meeting. This tradition continues to this day and ensure that no one person can bring new corps in.
Even if you spoke to every single corp individual and all agreed, you could still not bring a new corp in, until an official vote has occured at a saturday meeting.
The reasons for this are purley to avoid bad-blood between corps where one person brings someone in with the best of intentions but others see it as brining them in without been consulted.
Personal I was over-joyed that we had corps like celest, dsin and rkk joining the fight, they proved a valuable asset. However at the time i did not like and still don't like the way they were brought in.
As with most things in the game, views and opinions change over time as new information comes to light. but one thing remains the same, unless all corps (all been a majority) agree to something at the same time, it shouldn't occur.
For example, at all meetings, any corp that fails to represent themselves are automatically assumed to vote against whatever change is planned. This is what occured when jerricho was voted out, any corp that didn't attend the pre-scheduled meeting was assumed to vote against the removal of JF. As it happened enough people voted yes to make those missing corps a none issue. That is the best we can do to ensure things run smoothly whilst maintaining as much democracy as possible.
Halseth may want new corps to join PA, he may even go around and get "YES" votes from all corps, but unless their is an official vote to bring them in, he still can't act on it, because in doing so, it would make some feel he was over stepping his powers.
Much like happened to you. You had the best of intentions I'm sure, and it wasn't what you did that was the problem, mearly the way it was done.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.19 14:36:00 -
[273]
I believe that it has become quite evident that mere words can have a deleterious effect upon the stability of our little universe. Dear Madame Jade is a master of this, and quite confident in her knowledge of the manipulation of words to great effect in getting exactly what she wants. The classic term "spin doctor" really takes on fresh meaning here, I'm afraid.
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Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.19 14:36:00 -
[274]
I believe that it has become quite evident that mere words can have a deleterious effect upon the stability of our little universe. Dear Madame Jade is a master of this, and quite confident in her knowledge of the manipulation of words to great effect in getting exactly what she wants. The classic term "spin doctor" really takes on fresh meaning here, I'm afraid.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 14:51:00 -
[275]
And you learned that too in your first 48 hours of post academy life Beatrice? Cram-learning of political science guides by hypnotic suggestion mayhap?
JF Public Forum |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 14:51:00 -
[276]
And you learned that too in your first 48 hours of post academy life Beatrice? Cram-learning of political science guides by hypnotic suggestion mayhap?
JF Public Forum |
Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:13:00 -
[277]
Edited by: Notferr on 19/08/2004 15:51:04
Originally by: Beatrice
I'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honest, and his version of the teuth is pretty close to accurate. I really dont see how coalition of deklein and fade union got involved in all of this. They were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I dont think PA has any problems with them. And then there's norad, RKK, and company, who used to hide behind a veil of being "good guys", but since establishing their power over the smaller alliances that make up their war party, have felt comfortable revealing their true colors.
Beatrice, let me give it to you square. For a detailed breakdown of our reasons, refer to this post.
Here is the simple version.
We had a powerful neighbor that had rouge elements in it, and that were attacking friends and allies alike. This caused quite a storm, damaging our name along with PA's.
PA promised to fix it, and did not. We choose to fight against a more powerful neighbor (past tense) that would not police it's own members, nor correct rampant bullying.
That is the VERY distilled version.
And Halseth is no less biased than I am. There is little I can do to convince you about his honesty or lack there of.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:13:00 -
[278]
Edited by: Notferr on 19/08/2004 15:51:04
Originally by: Beatrice
I'm no fan of Halseth Durn, but at least he is honest, and his version of the teuth is pretty close to accurate. I really dont see how coalition of deklein and fade union got involved in all of this. They were on really good terms with PA for a while, and I dont think PA has any problems with them. And then there's norad, RKK, and company, who used to hide behind a veil of being "good guys", but since establishing their power over the smaller alliances that make up their war party, have felt comfortable revealing their true colors.
Beatrice, let me give it to you square. For a detailed breakdown of our reasons, refer to this post.
Here is the simple version.
We had a powerful neighbor that had rouge elements in it, and that were attacking friends and allies alike. This caused quite a storm, damaging our name along with PA's.
PA promised to fix it, and did not. We choose to fight against a more powerful neighbor (past tense) that would not police it's own members, nor correct rampant bullying.
That is the VERY distilled version.
And Halseth is no less biased than I am. There is little I can do to convince you about his honesty or lack there of.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:28:00 -
[279]
OK let's sum up multiple threads into one quick post.
PA believe one thing
NCA believe in another.
Neither side is gonna quit till the other dies.
Deal with it.
PS: I'm in agreement with Hicks
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:28:00 -
[280]
OK let's sum up multiple threads into one quick post.
PA believe one thing
NCA believe in another.
Neither side is gonna quit till the other dies.
Deal with it.
PS: I'm in agreement with Hicks
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
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Zeranna Lords
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:32:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
Is this the crap posted when you start getting scared or losing? You picked the wrong side. Deal with it!
There is no right or wrong or pirate or good guy. I don't know of ANY corps in eve that actively hunt pirates. NOT ONE.
CA=PA military allies. TPS=Close friends of CA. Figure it out.
Anymore posts like this is just crap. I look forward to EVOL and m0o claiming a nice piece of space up there, IF that is what they wish.
Ridiculous posts...
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Zeranna Lords
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:32:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Sun Ra
Are you guys still anti-pirate?
Artegg has stated that the biggest pirate alliance in the game are neutrals and wont be shot at, can other pirate corps expect the the same treatment?
Id especially like to hear from NSN, Blades and CE about them being neutrals
Is this the crap posted when you start getting scared or losing? You picked the wrong side. Deal with it!
There is no right or wrong or pirate or good guy. I don't know of ANY corps in eve that actively hunt pirates. NOT ONE.
CA=PA military allies. TPS=Close friends of CA. Figure it out.
Anymore posts like this is just crap. I look forward to EVOL and m0o claiming a nice piece of space up there, IF that is what they wish.
Ridiculous posts...
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:33:00 -
[283]
Wow - feel the wub!  I wub you all too...
Originally by: The End
i still have the chat logs...
As do I...
Originally by: The End
Millenium corp was indeed the most upset with unicore and nca.
Dunno about "the most" (can't speak for others), I think Karl Savage may lay claim to that particular title
Originally by: The End
zzazzt was about to join TPS himself. but his love for the his long time corp prevented him not joining. He felt if he left, millenium would disband.
Nearly spot on. I'd decided to stay with MLM at the beginning of the first convo with Cao Cao (sorry guys...).
Originally by: The End
We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.
Sorry mate - may have led you, Block & CC on a little on that one - it never even went to vote
Originally by: Mirus Crosius
It's fair to say that Zzazzt has not only saved a doomed Unicor, but a potentially doomed Millennium as well.
/me blushes
Credit for the salvaging of UNICOR doesn't lie soley on my doorstep. UNICOR is the sum of it's parts. TerminusX [DVRN], Hampstah [EV], Lamb Chop [QLC], Delaan [STCE] and the rest of the UNICOR council reps deserve recognition in that endeavour.
As for the new rise of MLM, I want to give a huge and very public shout to DedGuy, Slothe, Jherek Cornalien, Muadd Dib, Mastiphal Nosferatu and our CEO Mirus Crosius for their dedication to the corp in it's darkest hour. And, of course, let's not forget the 38 other brave new pilots who have joined our ranks in recent weeks, and the 24 encumbents who stuck by us. Millennium is far more than one person - no matter how stubborn and bloody-minded he may be.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:33:00 -
[284]
Wow - feel the wub! I wub you all too...
Originally by: The End
i still have the chat logs...
As do I...
Originally by: The End
Millenium corp was indeed the most upset with unicore and nca.
Dunno about "the most" (can't speak for others), I think Karl Savage may lay claim to that particular title
Originally by: The End
zzazzt was about to join TPS himself. but his love for the his long time corp prevented him not joining. He felt if he left, millenium would disband.
Nearly spot on. I'd decided to stay with MLM at the beginning of the first convo with Cao Cao (sorry guys...).
Originally by: The End
We tried to get their whole corp. in But it was 50/50 and didnt work out.
Sorry mate - may have led you, Block & CC on a little on that one - it never even went to vote
Originally by: Mirus Crosius
It's fair to say that Zzazzt has not only saved a doomed Unicor, but a potentially doomed Millennium as well.
/me blushes
Credit for the salvaging of UNICOR doesn't lie soley on my doorstep. UNICOR is the sum of it's parts. TerminusX [DVRN], Hampstah [EV], Lamb Chop [QLC], Delaan [STCE] and the rest of the UNICOR council reps deserve recognition in that endeavour.
As for the new rise of MLM, I want to give a huge and very public shout to DedGuy, Slothe, Jherek Cornalien, Muadd Dib, Mastiphal Nosferatu and our CEO Mirus Crosius for their dedication to the corp in it's darkest hour. And, of course, let's not forget the 38 other brave new pilots who have joined our ranks in recent weeks, and the 24 encumbents who stuck by us. Millennium is far more than one person - no matter how stubborn and bloody-minded he may be.
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Zeranna Lords
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:34:00 -
[285]
Originally by: DB Preacher
The Unicor situation is simple.
We sat down with them about two weeks into the war and asked that they stay relatively close to Tribute.
The leaders of Unicor quite rightly said "nah, we're cool. Geminate is the place to be".
They then moved out and proceeded to kick the living **** out of TPS up until the point when Equilibria formed.
Unicor asked for our help once and a 20 man c0d fleet went down and kicked TPS around that weekend.
However, without it's main pvp fleet in order, UNICOR fell to the brilliance of Cao Cao's divide and conquer tactics that we have seen repeated so many times in Eve history.
I look now at the remenants of UNICOR.
Equilibria are fighting alongside RKK/m0o/Evol in BKG.
The rest of the UNICOR corps apart from MLM are stationed in Pure Blind.
MLM are in Torrinos rebuilding and are stronger than ever.
Nothing has changed, we're still fighting together and all the words in the world won't divide us.
But I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Trying to drive a wedge between us achieves nothing but bringing us closer together.
dbp
Please don't forget there is no way in HELL that CA is going to let EV move in next door. PERIOD. So it wasn't just TPS killing UNICORN's.
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Zeranna Lords
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:34:00 -
[286]
Originally by: DB Preacher
The Unicor situation is simple.
We sat down with them about two weeks into the war and asked that they stay relatively close to Tribute.
The leaders of Unicor quite rightly said "nah, we're cool. Geminate is the place to be".
They then moved out and proceeded to kick the living **** out of TPS up until the point when Equilibria formed.
Unicor asked for our help once and a 20 man c0d fleet went down and kicked TPS around that weekend.
However, without it's main pvp fleet in order, UNICOR fell to the brilliance of Cao Cao's divide and conquer tactics that we have seen repeated so many times in Eve history.
I look now at the remenants of UNICOR.
Equilibria are fighting alongside RKK/m0o/Evol in BKG.
The rest of the UNICOR corps apart from MLM are stationed in Pure Blind.
MLM are in Torrinos rebuilding and are stronger than ever.
Nothing has changed, we're still fighting together and all the words in the world won't divide us.
But I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Trying to drive a wedge between us achieves nothing but bringing us closer together.
dbp
Please don't forget there is no way in HELL that CA is going to let EV move in next door. PERIOD. So it wasn't just TPS killing UNICORN's.
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:42:00 -
[287]
We all love ZZ
and im so damn fed up of the bllx politics this game creates.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.08.19 15:42:00 -
[288]
We all love ZZ
and im so damn fed up of the bllx politics this game creates.
Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear |
HalfLoaf
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Posted - 2004.08.19 16:07:00 -
[289]
I agree fully with you Cad .
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Loaf Is For Living !! Loaf It To The Full
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HalfLoaf
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Posted - 2004.08.19 16:07:00 -
[290]
I agree fully with you Cad .
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Loaf Is For Living !! Loaf It To The Full
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.08.19 16:40:00 -
[291]
This is what I know of Unicor. They just showed up one day. A few of the corps that had moved up there to set up a free space thing had decided form an alliance. This ****ed some people off, myself being one of them. Now I don't care about free space myself but I was under the impression the whole point of people being there was to keep it open.
After that I don't know much. Tbh I had plenty of people to shoot at as is.
Can you guys now stop talking so much crap?
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.08.19 16:40:00 -
[292]
This is what I know of Unicor. They just showed up one day. A few of the corps that had moved up there to set up a free space thing had decided form an alliance. This ****ed some people off, myself being one of them. Now I don't care about free space myself but I was under the impression the whole point of people being there was to keep it open.
After that I don't know much. Tbh I had plenty of people to shoot at as is.
Can you guys now stop talking so much crap?
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.19 16:58:00 -
[293]
Lysol:
Quote:
But for some retarded reason, both sides think if one of them admit in full honestey that the distinct possiblity that this was thier own damn fault, that its a sign of weakness. It takes two to tango.
You get the leaders of the NCA to all admit that everything thats happened was at least 50% their fault and 50% the PA's, and I'm sure that the leadership of the PA will do the same.
Good luck.
Jade:
Quote:
TPS can spiel psyops propaganda
Yea, those TPS guys and thier damn psyops propaganda. I'm just glad that JF and the NCA have never engaged in psyops and/or propaganda. It's good to know you don't hold a double standard or anything.
Quote:
I am just saying that its deceitful for the PA corps to call themselves "anti pirates".
If you believe that pirate and anti-pirate are meaningless terms, then why do believe that PA corps liting themselves as anti-pirate is decietful? You can't believe a term means nothing, and also believe the use of that term is decietful.
Of course its all arbitrary, because this whole debate is simply a ruse to try and get PA anti-pirate corps to "prove" their anti-pirate stance by starting a war between PA and TPS. Sorry Jade, but your just going to have to fight your own fights. Besides, the only corp in your entire alliance that could possibly judge the anti-pirate stance of our corps would be BNC. At least they have the proverbial leg to stand on, you simply do not.
Quote:
You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
Some of the NVA corps might have cared, but none of the PA corps do. Whatever the reason for giving you the old boot, it was clearly the right choice. (Act Utilitarians would agree with me, no doubt.)
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.19 16:58:00 -
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Lysol:
Quote:
But for some retarded reason, both sides think if one of them admit in full honestey that the distinct possiblity that this was thier own damn fault, that its a sign of weakness. It takes two to tango.
You get the leaders of the NCA to all admit that everything thats happened was at least 50% their fault and 50% the PA's, and I'm sure that the leadership of the PA will do the same.
Good luck.
Jade:
Quote:
TPS can spiel psyops propaganda
Yea, those TPS guys and thier damn psyops propaganda. I'm just glad that JF and the NCA have never engaged in psyops and/or propaganda. It's good to know you don't hold a double standard or anything.
Quote:
I am just saying that its deceitful for the PA corps to call themselves "anti pirates".
If you believe that pirate and anti-pirate are meaningless terms, then why do believe that PA corps liting themselves as anti-pirate is decietful? You can't believe a term means nothing, and also believe the use of that term is decietful.
Of course its all arbitrary, because this whole debate is simply a ruse to try and get PA anti-pirate corps to "prove" their anti-pirate stance by starting a war between PA and TPS. Sorry Jade, but your just going to have to fight your own fights. Besides, the only corp in your entire alliance that could possibly judge the anti-pirate stance of our corps would be BNC. At least they have the proverbial leg to stand on, you simply do not.
Quote:
You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
Some of the NVA corps might have cared, but none of the PA corps do. Whatever the reason for giving you the old boot, it was clearly the right choice. (Act Utilitarians would agree with me, no doubt.)
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.08.19 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Raeff on 19/08/2004 17:07:50
Edited by: Raeff on 19/08/2004 17:06:06
Originally by: Maud Dib
This is what I know of Unicor. They just showed up one day. A few of the corps that had moved up there to set up a free space thing had decided form an alliance. This ****ed some people off, myself being one of them. Now I don't care about free space myself but I was under the impression the whole point of people being there was to keep it open.
After that I don't know much. Tbh I had plenty of people to shoot at as is.
Can you guys now stop talking so much crap?
true true .. i myself wasnt happy with our alliance closing off the area as were many others .. thats why it was overturned shortly after .. it was already being discussed before any outside people had said a word
/waves to everyone
i'm back finally .. after a month and a half of RL BS
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.08.19 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Raeff on 19/08/2004 17:07:50
Edited by: Raeff on 19/08/2004 17:06:06
Originally by: Maud Dib
This is what I know of Unicor. They just showed up one day. A few of the corps that had moved up there to set up a free space thing had decided form an alliance. This ****ed some people off, myself being one of them. Now I don't care about free space myself but I was under the impression the whole point of people being there was to keep it open.
After that I don't know much. Tbh I had plenty of people to shoot at as is.
Can you guys now stop talking so much crap?
true true .. i myself wasnt happy with our alliance closing off the area as were many others .. thats why it was overturned shortly after .. it was already being discussed before any outside people had said a word
/waves to everyone
i'm back finally .. after a month and a half of RL BS
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TheJay
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Posted - 2004.08.19 17:38:00 -
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The ultimate key to MLM's revival is my gummi bears
That is all.
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TheJay
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Posted - 2004.08.19 17:38:00 -
[298]
The ultimate key to MLM's revival is my gummi bears
That is all.
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.19 17:47:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote:
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
It really doesn't help that you continue to perpetuate that fiction Hicks. The FE demanded that Jericho Fraction be ejected from the NVA as a pre-requisite for Union and NAP. Surprise surprise Jericho Fraction is then ejected. A few weeks later PA gets the NAP with FE. You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
Actually m'dear, as usual Hicks is 100% accurate on this matter. Your spin on this matter is nothing but pure spin. Here is how the actual timeline of events unfolded:
FE demanded the removal of Jade Constantine from the NVA in return for peace. NVAs response was "no-thanks". (Why just peace? Because it was a FULL MONTH before they went legit and offered the alliance merger)
NVA leadership (with the excecption of Jade) are completely fed up with Jades perpetual cycle of never-ending forum hatred directed at our enemies and the continual droning on about a past victory against the TTi corp. This coupled with coupled with the fact that Jades only space time activity being the lucrative trade run of plutonium from Venal to Torrinos forces the NVA to ask Jade to cool it on the forums.
In a hizzy fit, Jade resigns from NVA public relations. However, Jade excalates her forum campaign of hatred against the newly formed FE. Her resoning is something Jady like "I despise and loathe these scoundrels and will show them no quarter until I draw my last breath"
Jade/Miso logs are leaked to the NVA forum showing their extreme level of contempt and complete absence of support for the NVA. Jade loses last bit of credability with NVA leadership. Many now feel that Jade is a liability instread of an asset.
FE propose a new plan where they go completely pirate free and join with the NVA to build a new more powerfull alliance. This proposal is discussed amoung NVA leadership for 2 days. Opinion goes back and forth on the matter, but in the end it is decided by ALL that this idea is not in our best interests.
These discussion brought everyone to the realization that something drastic MUST be done for our continued survival. We knew that we wanted to continue in Venal but without the forum hatred machine of Jade Constantine. However, the name and image of the NVA was linked allmost exclusively to the TTi war, Jade Constantine and her never ending pursuit of forum war against people we had to fight in space. A new alliance was in order.
The PA was formed by a majority of NVA corps with all NVA corps invited with the exception of Jericho Fraction. KIAEDZ and myself convoed JF rep Athule Snam to inform him of our decision. We explained that this was our only option and that there was nothing against the fine people of JF, but we were going to move forward with a new alliance and the only means to a new future were to leave our anchor in the past (Jade) behind. (to this day, I view that convo with Athule as one of the hardest things in eve I have ever had to do)
The Phoenix Alliance continues a state of war with the Forsaken Empire for another 2 months after its formation.
I know the thought of this strokes your ego, m'dear, and you tell everyone it is fact, but there was never a trade of "Jade for NAP" with the FE.
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.19 17:47:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote:
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
It really doesn't help that you continue to perpetuate that fiction Hicks. The FE demanded that Jericho Fraction be ejected from the NVA as a pre-requisite for Union and NAP. Surprise surprise Jericho Fraction is then ejected. A few weeks later PA gets the NAP with FE. You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
Actually m'dear, as usual Hicks is 100% accurate on this matter. Your spin on this matter is nothing but pure spin. Here is how the actual timeline of events unfolded:
FE demanded the removal of Jade Constantine from the NVA in return for peace. NVAs response was "no-thanks". (Why just peace? Because it was a FULL MONTH before they went legit and offered the alliance merger)
NVA leadership (with the excecption of Jade) are completely fed up with Jades perpetual cycle of never-ending forum hatred directed at our enemies and the continual droning on about a past victory against the TTi corp. This coupled with coupled with the fact that Jades only space time activity being the lucrative trade run of plutonium from Venal to Torrinos forces the NVA to ask Jade to cool it on the forums.
In a hizzy fit, Jade resigns from NVA public relations. However, Jade excalates her forum campaign of hatred against the newly formed FE. Her resoning is something Jady like "I despise and loathe these scoundrels and will show them no quarter until I draw my last breath"
Jade/Miso logs are leaked to the NVA forum showing their extreme level of contempt and complete absence of support for the NVA. Jade loses last bit of credability with NVA leadership. Many now feel that Jade is a liability instread of an asset.
FE propose a new plan where they go completely pirate free and join with the NVA to build a new more powerfull alliance. This proposal is discussed amoung NVA leadership for 2 days. Opinion goes back and forth on the matter, but in the end it is decided by ALL that this idea is not in our best interests.
These discussion brought everyone to the realization that something drastic MUST be done for our continued survival. We knew that we wanted to continue in Venal but without the forum hatred machine of Jade Constantine. However, the name and image of the NVA was linked allmost exclusively to the TTi war, Jade Constantine and her never ending pursuit of forum war against people we had to fight in space. A new alliance was in order.
The PA was formed by a majority of NVA corps with all NVA corps invited with the exception of Jericho Fraction. KIAEDZ and myself convoed JF rep Athule Snam to inform him of our decision. We explained that this was our only option and that there was nothing against the fine people of JF, but we were going to move forward with a new alliance and the only means to a new future were to leave our anchor in the past (Jade) behind. (to this day, I view that convo with Athule as one of the hardest things in eve I have ever had to do)
The Phoenix Alliance continues a state of war with the Forsaken Empire for another 2 months after its formation.
I know the thought of this strokes your ego, m'dear, and you tell everyone it is fact, but there was never a trade of "Jade for NAP" with the FE.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:08:00 -
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Quote:
"... Jade excalates her forum campaign of hatred against the newly formed FE" - Halseth Durn
I think thats all that needs to be said on the credibility of your account Halseth.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:08:00 -
[302]
Quote:
"... Jade excalates her forum campaign of hatred against the newly formed FE" - Halseth Durn
I think thats all that needs to be said on the credibility of your account Halseth.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:11:00 -
[303]
Edited by: Zzazzt on 19/08/2004 18:13:10
Originally by: Maud Dib
This is what I know of Unicor. They just showed up one day. A few of the corps that had moved up there to set up a free space thing had decided form an alliance. This ****ed some people off, myself being one of them. Now I don't care about free space myself but I was under the impression the whole point of people being there was to keep it open.
After that I don't know much. Tbh I had plenty of people to shoot at as is.
Can you guys now stop talking so much crap?
As Raeff said, the closed space thing was a blip that was swiftly dropped. Then, events swiftly changed that made it completely impossible to even consider an open or closed space policy. You can't enforce that kind of line when you're fighting for survival...
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zzazzt on 19/08/2004 18:13:10
Originally by: Maud Dib
This is what I know of Unicor. They just showed up one day. A few of the corps that had moved up there to set up a free space thing had decided form an alliance. This ****ed some people off, myself being one of them. Now I don't care about free space myself but I was under the impression the whole point of people being there was to keep it open.
After that I don't know much. Tbh I had plenty of people to shoot at as is.
Can you guys now stop talking so much crap?
As Raeff said, the closed space thing was a blip that was swiftly dropped. Then, events swiftly changed that made it completely impossible to even consider an open or closed space policy. You can't enforce that kind of line when you're fighting for survival...
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:26:00 -
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ehhhh
Anti-pirate ?
yeah think so :¦
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:26:00 -
[306]
ehhhh
Anti-pirate ?
yeah think so :¦
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:50:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Next?
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.19 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Next?
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:01:00 -
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Lest someone mistake me I want to make it clear I did not mean i would have shot at Unicor but rather that going to help them would have been fun but i already had a fight in my front yard.
As for who is winning let's just cut the crap shall we? We all know what is happening. The pvper's on both sides are wtfpwning mining ops and lone ships in between blobing times and people on both sides are lying through their teeth about ships they have lost and ships they have killed.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:01:00 -
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Lest someone mistake me I want to make it clear I did not mean i would have shot at Unicor but rather that going to help them would have been fun but i already had a fight in my front yard.
As for who is winning let's just cut the crap shall we? We all know what is happening. The pvper's on both sides are wtfpwning mining ops and lone ships in between blobing times and people on both sides are lying through their teeth about ships they have lost and ships they have killed.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:07:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Halseth
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Next?
1. NCA is looseing the war only in PA forums.
2. m0o shoots at anything...includeing us.
3. The PA/TPS, this issue needs to tread carefully and insure your pilots who are conversing with these people are not doing so in the vicinity of the gates. But I give you the benifit of the doubt.
And what does trolling Jade have to do with anything in this war? Jericho is in this conflict in support of our ally with RKK. I don't see the point in argueing Jade is this or that and it all started becuase of her.
Maybe it could be prudent to argue your case with the people that have been offended. If this is infact a matter of an unarmed frigate. How complex can this be?
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:07:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Halseth
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay I will make one comment on this Unicor thing being thrown around by PA and TPS. What happened with Unicor? There were two separate wars thats what happened. NCA against PA and TPS against Unicor. PA was losing badly and called in CA as reinforcements. Unicor fought long and hard against TPS and ultimately made a decision for the good of its membership to pull out of an untenable position and continue the war from a more favourable fallback location. Now PA is losing again and has called in TPS as reinforcements. Unicor has recovered its fighting strength and is back in the war. Don't believe me? Ask Unicor. And thats it.
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Next?
1. NCA is looseing the war only in PA forums.
2. m0o shoots at anything...includeing us.
3. The PA/TPS, this issue needs to tread carefully and insure your pilots who are conversing with these people are not doing so in the vicinity of the gates. But I give you the benifit of the doubt.
And what does trolling Jade have to do with anything in this war? Jericho is in this conflict in support of our ally with RKK. I don't see the point in argueing Jade is this or that and it all started becuase of her.
Maybe it could be prudent to argue your case with the people that have been offended. If this is infact a matter of an unarmed frigate. How complex can this be?
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:20:00 -
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Interesting how each side speaks of 100% accuracy in facts - when a whole lot of it is perspective.
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:20:00 -
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Interesting how each side speaks of 100% accuracy in facts - when a whole lot of it is perspective.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
If it wasn't for the fact that I'm anti-closed space, I'd almost wish them luck And what does trolling Jade have to do with anything in this war? Jericho is in this conflict in support of our ally with RKK. I don't see the point in argueing Jade is this or that and it all started becuase of her.
Because that's all they have left. Everyone just holds up their bile and hatred towards Jade as some cosmic reasoning why they should continue doing the same stupid thing, day after day.
I think one of the ironic points is, everyone's complaining about Jade, and how insignificant she is, and how she's got a big ego, and all that.. and yet they spend thread after thread, and post after post, demonizing her.
It's like those B-movies where the fighter just keeps going and going, due to some hatred he/she refuses to actually deal with, becuase "it gives them strength".
I mean, if you actually believed all the crap that went on this forum, you'd almost begin to think that Jade's responsible for keeping a good portion of this player base here and happy.
Which seems strange considering how poorly she's dealt with by the powers that be in this game.
Heck, who needs Shiva.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
If it wasn't for the fact that I'm anti-closed space, I'd almost wish them luck And what does trolling Jade have to do with anything in this war? Jericho is in this conflict in support of our ally with RKK. I don't see the point in argueing Jade is this or that and it all started becuase of her.
Because that's all they have left. Everyone just holds up their bile and hatred towards Jade as some cosmic reasoning why they should continue doing the same stupid thing, day after day.
I think one of the ironic points is, everyone's complaining about Jade, and how insignificant she is, and how she's got a big ego, and all that.. and yet they spend thread after thread, and post after post, demonizing her.
It's like those B-movies where the fighter just keeps going and going, due to some hatred he/she refuses to actually deal with, becuase "it gives them strength".
I mean, if you actually believed all the crap that went on this forum, you'd almost begin to think that Jade's responsible for keeping a good portion of this player base here and happy.
Which seems strange considering how poorly she's dealt with by the powers that be in this game.
Heck, who needs Shiva.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:37:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Halseth
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote:
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
It really doesn't help that you continue to perpetuate that fiction Hicks. The FE demanded that Jericho Fraction be ejected from the NVA as a pre-requisite for Union and NAP. Surprise surprise Jericho Fraction is then ejected. A few weeks later PA gets the NAP with FE. You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
Actually m'dear, as usual Hicks is 100% accurate on this matter. Your spin on this matter is nothing but pure spin. Here is how the actual timeline of events unfolded:
FE demanded the removal of Jade Constantine from the NVA in return for peace. NVAs response was "no-thanks". (Why just peace? Because it was a FULL MONTH before they went legit and offered the alliance merger)
NVA leadership (with the excecption of Jade) are completely fed up with Jades perpetual cycle of never-ending forum hatred directed at our enemies and the continual droning on about a past victory against the TTi corp. This coupled with coupled with the fact that Jades only space time activity being the lucrative trade run of plutonium from Venal to Torrinos forces the NVA to ask Jade to cool it on the forums.
In a hizzy fit, Jade resigns from NVA public relations. However, Jade excalates her forum campaign of hatred against the newly formed FE. Her resoning is something Jady like "I despise and loathe these scoundrels and will show them no quarter until I draw my last breath"
Jade/Miso logs are leaked to the NVA forum showing their extreme level of contempt and complete absence of support for the NVA. Jade loses last bit of credability with NVA leadership. Many now feel that Jade is a liability instread of an asset.
FE propose a new plan where they go completely pirate free and join with the NVA to build a new more powerfull alliance. This proposal is discussed amoung NVA leadership for 2 days. Opinion goes back and forth on the matter, but in the end it is decided by ALL that this idea is not in our best interests.
These discussion brought everyone to the realization that something drastic MUST be done for our continued survival. We knew that we wanted to continue in Venal but without the forum hatred machine of Jade Constantine. However, the name and image of the NVA was linked allmost exclusively to the TTi war, Jade Constantine and her never ending pursuit of forum war against people we had to fight in space. A new alliance was in order.
The PA was formed by a majority of NVA corps with all NVA corps invited with the exception of Jericho Fraction. KIAEDZ and myself convoed JF rep Athule Snam to inform him of our decision. We explained that this was our only option and that there was nothing against the fine people of JF, but we were going to move forward with a new alliance and the only means to a new future were to leave our anchor in the past (Jade) behind. (to this day, I view that convo with Athule as one of the hardest things in eve I have ever had to do)
The Phoenix Alliance continues a state of war with the Forsaken Empire for another 2 months after its formation.
I know the thought of this strokes your ego, m'dear, and you tell everyone it is fact, but there was never a trade of "Jade for NAP" with the FE.
As far as i am concerend this is 100% correct. I was even the one that called for the vote on the media Blackout that caused Jade to resign from PA leadership.
Also what i find really amusing is that these weekly meetings were carried out on TS and Jade was never once present intill after the PA formed and you got involed in the discussions about CDI. Jade for someone who takes the info from a 2nd hand source in the first place i have to say you are very confident and happy to call people liers.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:37:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Halseth
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote:
Incorrect. We ejected JF for the single reason that we really really really dislike Jade and the way she posts on the forums. This may not be a good enough reason for many who like Jade, but it was good enough for us.
It really doesn't help that you continue to perpetuate that fiction Hicks. The FE demanded that Jericho Fraction be ejected from the NVA as a pre-requisite for Union and NAP. Surprise surprise Jericho Fraction is then ejected. A few weeks later PA gets the NAP with FE. You can repeat the excuses until you are blue in the face but the facts of the matter support the interpretation that you did this for political pragmaticism without the knowledge of much of the alliance.
Actually m'dear, as usual Hicks is 100% accurate on this matter. Your spin on this matter is nothing but pure spin. Here is how the actual timeline of events unfolded:
FE demanded the removal of Jade Constantine from the NVA in return for peace. NVAs response was "no-thanks". (Why just peace? Because it was a FULL MONTH before they went legit and offered the alliance merger)
NVA leadership (with the excecption of Jade) are completely fed up with Jades perpetual cycle of never-ending forum hatred directed at our enemies and the continual droning on about a past victory against the TTi corp. This coupled with coupled with the fact that Jades only space time activity being the lucrative trade run of plutonium from Venal to Torrinos forces the NVA to ask Jade to cool it on the forums.
In a hizzy fit, Jade resigns from NVA public relations. However, Jade excalates her forum campaign of hatred against the newly formed FE. Her resoning is something Jady like "I despise and loathe these scoundrels and will show them no quarter until I draw my last breath"
Jade/Miso logs are leaked to the NVA forum showing their extreme level of contempt and complete absence of support for the NVA. Jade loses last bit of credability with NVA leadership. Many now feel that Jade is a liability instread of an asset.
FE propose a new plan where they go completely pirate free and join with the NVA to build a new more powerfull alliance. This proposal is discussed amoung NVA leadership for 2 days. Opinion goes back and forth on the matter, but in the end it is decided by ALL that this idea is not in our best interests.
These discussion brought everyone to the realization that something drastic MUST be done for our continued survival. We knew that we wanted to continue in Venal but without the forum hatred machine of Jade Constantine. However, the name and image of the NVA was linked allmost exclusively to the TTi war, Jade Constantine and her never ending pursuit of forum war against people we had to fight in space. A new alliance was in order.
The PA was formed by a majority of NVA corps with all NVA corps invited with the exception of Jericho Fraction. KIAEDZ and myself convoed JF rep Athule Snam to inform him of our decision. We explained that this was our only option and that there was nothing against the fine people of JF, but we were going to move forward with a new alliance and the only means to a new future were to leave our anchor in the past (Jade) behind. (to this day, I view that convo with Athule as one of the hardest things in eve I have ever had to do)
The Phoenix Alliance continues a state of war with the Forsaken Empire for another 2 months after its formation.
I know the thought of this strokes your ego, m'dear, and you tell everyone it is fact, but there was never a trade of "Jade for NAP" with the FE.
As far as i am concerend this is 100% correct. I was even the one that called for the vote on the media Blackout that caused Jade to resign from PA leadership.
Also what i find really amusing is that these weekly meetings were carried out on TS and Jade was never once present intill after the PA formed and you got involed in the discussions about CDI. Jade for someone who takes the info from a 2nd hand source in the first place i have to say you are very confident and happy to call people liers.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
I would like you to back this up with kill and loss report please, we all know and all means both the attackers (RKK, EVOL, .E. and m0o) and the defenders (PA) that we have way superior kill record even if you have many times our numbers, we just move elsewere to kill smaller blobs, this can not be denied and if you do you only look silly so get over your self.
Originally by: Halseth
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
All good and dandy in my opinion, we all play the game in our own way with our own plots so kudos for at least trying to make a stand.
Originally by: Halseth
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Your delings with other corps and alliances do not concern me in the slightest but when you lie about your relation I must say that I have seen PA both camp with TPS and moving safely through EC- even though TPS had a mobile warp disrupter anchored at the Torrionos gate, no relationship my butt, liars are not welcome to the Kingdom of God, repent and your sins of lying will be forgiven
Originally by: Halseth
Next?
Your posts will be taken as the truth when you, guess what, speak the truth
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:39:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Halseth
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
I would like you to back this up with kill and loss report please, we all know and all means both the attackers (RKK, EVOL, .E. and m0o) and the defenders (PA) that we have way superior kill record even if you have many times our numbers, we just move elsewere to kill smaller blobs, this can not be denied and if you do you only look silly so get over your self.
Originally by: Halseth
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
All good and dandy in my opinion, we all play the game in our own way with our own plots so kudos for at least trying to make a stand.
Originally by: Halseth
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Your delings with other corps and alliances do not concern me in the slightest but when you lie about your relation I must say that I have seen PA both camp with TPS and moving safely through EC- even though TPS had a mobile warp disrupter anchored at the Torrionos gate, no relationship my butt, liars are not welcome to the Kingdom of God, repent and your sins of lying will be forgiven
Originally by: Halseth
Next?
Your posts will be taken as the truth when you, guess what, speak the truth
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Thesalaus
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Thesalaus on 19/08/2004 19:42:11
Originally by: Wraeththu
I think one of the ironic points is, everyone's complaining about Jade, and how insignificant she is, and how she's got a big ego, and all that.. and yet they spend thread after thread, and post after post, demonizing her.
To be fair, Wraeththu, that's because Jade (& company) spent thread after thread, demonizing and slandering the PA, certain corps within the PA and individuals in those corps.
I'm sure we can spend an eternity listing all the adjectives each side used to describe and discredit the other but those that have kept up with the forum shenanigans remember how utterly hateful it was here.
No one walked away from that meltdown unburned. Even I got spit on, of which I still have the dry cleaning bill that's waiting to be paid by the offender.
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Thesalaus
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Thesalaus on 19/08/2004 19:42:11
Originally by: Wraeththu
I think one of the ironic points is, everyone's complaining about Jade, and how insignificant she is, and how she's got a big ego, and all that.. and yet they spend thread after thread, and post after post, demonizing her.
To be fair, Wraeththu, that's because Jade (& company) spent thread after thread, demonizing and slandering the PA, certain corps within the PA and individuals in those corps.
I'm sure we can spend an eternity listing all the adjectives each side used to describe and discredit the other but those that have kept up with the forum shenanigans remember how utterly hateful it was here.
No one walked away from that meltdown unburned. Even I got spit on, of which I still have the dry cleaning bill that's waiting to be paid by the offender.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Artegg on 19/08/2004 19:49:37
Originally by: Omniwar
Originally by: Halseth
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
I would like you to back this up with kill and loss report please, we all know and all means both the attackers (RKK, EVOL, .E. and m0o) and the defenders (PA) that we have way superior kill record even if you have many times our numbers, we just move elsewere to kill smaller blobs, this can not be denied and if you do you only look silly so get over your self.
Originally by: Halseth
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
All good and dandy in my opinion, we all play the game in our own way with our own plots so kudos for at least trying to make a stand.
Originally by: Halseth
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Your delings with other corps and alliances do not concern me in the slightest but when you lie about your relation I must say that I have seen PA both camp with TPS and moving safely through EC- even though TPS had a mobile warp disrupter anchored at the Torrionos gate, no relationship my butt, liars are not welcome to the Kingdom of God, repent and your sins of lying will be forgiven
Originally by: Halseth
Next?
Your posts will be taken as the truth when you, guess what, speak the truth
Regarding Point 1 on your post here I would say that is not ture at all. Maybe around BKG and surrounding areas but in the total theater of war i would say there has hardly been a day gone past when you have kill more than us. For example we(R-K) had a run of about 2-3 weeks when we were killing 10+ battleships / day noway near BKG. On top of this we have also had CE and Blades, SLI and co roving around killing each day.
I will hand you that around BKG you are up on us but in the whole war i am pretty much 100% sure you are not
Also regarding point 3 Neutral = no relationship.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Artegg on 19/08/2004 19:49:37
Originally by: Omniwar
Originally by: Halseth
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
I would like you to back this up with kill and loss report please, we all know and all means both the attackers (RKK, EVOL, .E. and m0o) and the defenders (PA) that we have way superior kill record even if you have many times our numbers, we just move elsewere to kill smaller blobs, this can not be denied and if you do you only look silly so get over your self.
Originally by: Halseth
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
All good and dandy in my opinion, we all play the game in our own way with our own plots so kudos for at least trying to make a stand.
Originally by: Halseth
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Your delings with other corps and alliances do not concern me in the slightest but when you lie about your relation I must say that I have seen PA both camp with TPS and moving safely through EC- even though TPS had a mobile warp disrupter anchored at the Torrionos gate, no relationship my butt, liars are not welcome to the Kingdom of God, repent and your sins of lying will be forgiven
Originally by: Halseth
Next?
Your posts will be taken as the truth when you, guess what, speak the truth
Regarding Point 1 on your post here I would say that is not ture at all. Maybe around BKG and surrounding areas but in the total theater of war i would say there has hardly been a day gone past when you have kill more than us. For example we(R-K) had a run of about 2-3 weeks when we were killing 10+ battleships / day noway near BKG. On top of this we have also had CE and Blades, SLI and co roving around killing each day.
I will hand you that around BKG you are up on us but in the whole war i am pretty much 100% sure you are not
Also regarding point 3 Neutral = no relationship.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:48:00 -
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I think one of the ironic points is, everyone's complaining about Jade, and how insignificant she is, and how she's got a big ego, and all that.. and yet they spend thread after thread, and post after post, demonizing her.
What amazes me are the people that claim I'm both insignificant and the root of all their woes, pointless and sad, and the architect of all their losses and the single cause of their nightmares and problems ... all in the same posts. Those are quite imaginative.
Ultimately though what I am, is stubborn. And I will keep on telling things as I see them and I won't be bullied or browbeaten by anyone at any time or in any circumstance. I imagine that makes me seem arrogant but strangely the people I respect don't seem to see it that way.
All I want is honourable allies and relationships with people who keep their word. I don't think that really is too much to ask?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 19:48:00 -
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I think one of the ironic points is, everyone's complaining about Jade, and how insignificant she is, and how she's got a big ego, and all that.. and yet they spend thread after thread, and post after post, demonizing her.
What amazes me are the people that claim I'm both insignificant and the root of all their woes, pointless and sad, and the architect of all their losses and the single cause of their nightmares and problems ... all in the same posts. Those are quite imaginative.
Ultimately though what I am, is stubborn. And I will keep on telling things as I see them and I won't be bullied or browbeaten by anyone at any time or in any circumstance. I imagine that makes me seem arrogant but strangely the people I respect don't seem to see it that way.
All I want is honourable allies and relationships with people who keep their word. I don't think that really is too much to ask?
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Thesalaus
I'm sure we can spend an eternity listing all the adjectives each side used to describe and discredit the other but those that have kept up with the forum shenanigans remember how utterly hateful it was here.
No one walked away from that meltdown unburned. Even I got spit on, of which I still have the dry cleaning bill that's waiting to be paid by the offender.
No, I'm not even hinting that the NCA side is golden on this.
I just dislike all the crap.
Jade & Halseth can yell at each other all day. I'm fine with that. They get off on it. What I think is weak is all the chuckleheads and alts that come out of the woodwork just spouting party line, and using it as a thinly veiled excuse to play CounterStrike in space. I have a lot more respect for the people who just say "I'm shooting you cuz it's fun." than "Jade is the devil! I shall crusade across the galaxy because Halseth told me she's a lying beast!".. Good job hypothetical guy, way to think for yourself ;)
It's also REALLY disprespectful to the rest of the NCA. FU/NORAD/CoD (and I'd assume UNICOR) fight every day just as strongly and passionatly as everyone else, and for their own reasons. Yet people make it out like Jade's proding them to do it. I think not. It's just as much their war, for all the good and bad that it entails.
The A in NCA stands for Allies. We're all here, for various reasons.
It's come to the point though that there really isn't any good reason. And, instead of just comming clean and saying "This is all a not-so-cleverly orchistrated method to give me a permanent supply of targets" they twist, lie, or are just totally ignorant, and come up with phantom paranoid excuses to continue.
Wars have clearly defined and obtainable (even if not likely) goals. Most of the people in this 'war' do not have a clearly defined or obtainable goal. That's not a war. That's a feud. "Destroying Jade, DBP, and JF!" is not an obtainable goal. F-E pointed that out when they had that silly empire war a while back. Nobody wants to send a huge fleet to camp in empire under the vein hope they can possibly shoot someone in a frigate while their target spends the day chatting. It's quickly obvious who's 'winning' and who's 'loosing', when you're wasting 10 people to harras one.
You can get your clothes cleaned by all those sex-slaves? I mean, what are they there for?
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Thesalaus
I'm sure we can spend an eternity listing all the adjectives each side used to describe and discredit the other but those that have kept up with the forum shenanigans remember how utterly hateful it was here.
No one walked away from that meltdown unburned. Even I got spit on, of which I still have the dry cleaning bill that's waiting to be paid by the offender.
No, I'm not even hinting that the NCA side is golden on this.
I just dislike all the crap.
Jade & Halseth can yell at each other all day. I'm fine with that. They get off on it. What I think is weak is all the chuckleheads and alts that come out of the woodwork just spouting party line, and using it as a thinly veiled excuse to play CounterStrike in space. I have a lot more respect for the people who just say "I'm shooting you cuz it's fun." than "Jade is the devil! I shall crusade across the galaxy because Halseth told me she's a lying beast!".. Good job hypothetical guy, way to think for yourself ;)
It's also REALLY disprespectful to the rest of the NCA. FU/NORAD/CoD (and I'd assume UNICOR) fight every day just as strongly and passionatly as everyone else, and for their own reasons. Yet people make it out like Jade's proding them to do it. I think not. It's just as much their war, for all the good and bad that it entails.
The A in NCA stands for Allies. We're all here, for various reasons.
It's come to the point though that there really isn't any good reason. And, instead of just comming clean and saying "This is all a not-so-cleverly orchistrated method to give me a permanent supply of targets" they twist, lie, or are just totally ignorant, and come up with phantom paranoid excuses to continue.
Wars have clearly defined and obtainable (even if not likely) goals. Most of the people in this 'war' do not have a clearly defined or obtainable goal. That's not a war. That's a feud. "Destroying Jade, DBP, and JF!" is not an obtainable goal. F-E pointed that out when they had that silly empire war a while back. Nobody wants to send a huge fleet to camp in empire under the vein hope they can possibly shoot someone in a frigate while their target spends the day chatting. It's quickly obvious who's 'winning' and who's 'loosing', when you're wasting 10 people to harras one.
You can get your clothes cleaned by all those sex-slaves? I mean, what are they there for?
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:14:00 -
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I think this discussion is worn out and boring..
besides you can't say anyone is winning/losing it just isn't possible
Sure one side kills more ships than the other but that only means that one side is "winning" in ships destroyed.. i.e. inflicting more financial damage but by no means does it mean winning.
Let's look at CA they've been attacked for months by everyone and their mother they're still here in a bit altered form but they're still here.
Theres no doubt in my mind the PA will still be here in a few months maybe a bit different but still here
Things will have changed very little in the nearest future IMHO
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:14:00 -
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I think this discussion is worn out and boring..
besides you can't say anyone is winning/losing it just isn't possible
Sure one side kills more ships than the other but that only means that one side is "winning" in ships destroyed.. i.e. inflicting more financial damage but by no means does it mean winning.
Let's look at CA they've been attacked for months by everyone and their mother they're still here in a bit altered form but they're still here.
Theres no doubt in my mind the PA will still be here in a few months maybe a bit different but still here
Things will have changed very little in the nearest future IMHO
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Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:17:00 -
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Someone with excellent command of the english language and an ability to manipulate is far from insignifigant. There's a good reason why china sent such individuals to build its great wall, after all. They're dangerous.
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Beatrice
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:17:00 -
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Someone with excellent command of the english language and an ability to manipulate is far from insignifigant. There's a good reason why china sent such individuals to build its great wall, after all. They're dangerous.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Beatrice
Someone with excellent command of the english language and an ability to manipulate is far from insignifigant. There's a good reason why china sent such individuals to build its great wall, after all. They're dangerous.
Everyone has the potential and the ability to manipulate little space cadet. Thats what language is about. Your pretty little allusion is a rhetorical device, a poetic attempt at manipulation in itself, to claim that some people speak without the desire to change people's mind and win opinion around is to misunderstand the very basis of language.
But I think you know that.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Beatrice
Someone with excellent command of the english language and an ability to manipulate is far from insignifigant. There's a good reason why china sent such individuals to build its great wall, after all. They're dangerous.
Everyone has the potential and the ability to manipulate little space cadet. Thats what language is about. Your pretty little allusion is a rhetorical device, a poetic attempt at manipulation in itself, to claim that some people speak without the desire to change people's mind and win opinion around is to misunderstand the very basis of language.
But I think you know that.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Beatrice
Someone with excellent command of the english language and an ability to manipulate is far from insignifigant. There's a good reason why china sent such individuals to build its great wall, after all. They're dangerous.
Now there is a line to conjure demons from history's darker crevices 
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Beatrice
Someone with excellent command of the english language and an ability to manipulate is far from insignifigant. There's a good reason why china sent such individuals to build its great wall, after all. They're dangerous.
Now there is a line to conjure demons from history's darker crevices
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Thesalaus
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:42:00 -
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Wraeththu:
Point of note, this war started while Halseth was on a voluntary sabbatical. So itÆs impossible for the PA to have fought this war on the word of Halseth.
We fought because we were attacked.
Now why do we fight and fight so hard?
Because when the war first started emotions got involved/bruised when NCA spokespersons called the PA (and certain corps) every negative name imaginable, and of course we responded. If someone slanders and denigrates your family and your family name you canÆt help but take personal offense.
For instance, I'm the founder of Oberon. A corp that I conceived in my mindÆs eye some 2 years ago, a corp that I formed and molded with the best possible values I could instill in it. I recruited like-minded individuals into its ranks, and did all I could to see that it and its members enjoyed Eve to the fullest. So when I see crap on the forums about Oberon carebear this and Oberon veldspar humping that and Oberon snakes. àà.it ****es me off to the umpteen degree because I know my corp and I know exactly what it is and what it isn't.
Now did I get hard feelings from all that? Hell yeah, as would anyone that loves and works hard for their corp. It's really hard for some to shrug off negative things that are said about your corp and your friends. Although IÆve tried very hard to keep things in perspective and stay about the hate but eventually you give in.
And that's whatÆs basically perpetuating this war and pushed it to the degree of hate that itÆs currently at. Things where said that shouldn't have been said with great venom and delight that deeply offended people who are all decent people. This can be said of both sides.
There is a way to debate issues and discuss differences but itÆs never right to disrespect and denigrate an opponent no matter how eloquent itÆs done.
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Thesalaus
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:42:00 -
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Wraeththu:
Point of note, this war started while Halseth was on a voluntary sabbatical. So itÆs impossible for the PA to have fought this war on the word of Halseth.
We fought because we were attacked.
Now why do we fight and fight so hard?
Because when the war first started emotions got involved/bruised when NCA spokespersons called the PA (and certain corps) every negative name imaginable, and of course we responded. If someone slanders and denigrates your family and your family name you canÆt help but take personal offense.
For instance, I'm the founder of Oberon. A corp that I conceived in my mindÆs eye some 2 years ago, a corp that I formed and molded with the best possible values I could instill in it. I recruited like-minded individuals into its ranks, and did all I could to see that it and its members enjoyed Eve to the fullest. So when I see crap on the forums about Oberon carebear this and Oberon veldspar humping that and Oberon snakes. àà.it ****es me off to the umpteen degree because I know my corp and I know exactly what it is and what it isn't.
Now did I get hard feelings from all that? Hell yeah, as would anyone that loves and works hard for their corp. It's really hard for some to shrug off negative things that are said about your corp and your friends. Although IÆve tried very hard to keep things in perspective and stay about the hate but eventually you give in.
And that's whatÆs basically perpetuating this war and pushed it to the degree of hate that itÆs currently at. Things where said that shouldn't have been said with great venom and delight that deeply offended people who are all decent people. This can be said of both sides.
There is a way to debate issues and discuss differences but itÆs never right to disrespect and denigrate an opponent no matter how eloquent itÆs done.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:59:00 -
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Thesalaus,
Thats it...give in to your hate. Let your anger fuel your passion.
So, from what I gathered from this...Oberons feelings got hurt from a little bit of mud slinging.
<blinks>
Ok, I can roll with that. I too got a little urked when PA called out a vendetta specificly on Jericho to the tune it will be burnt to cinders and destroyed in any form it takes from a new namesake to its former members where ever they may go.
That is...a little...hateful. If this is truely the case then i recommend you speak with your leaders on the real reasons why this happened and how incredibly stupid this will all look 5 months from now.
But hey, we are making actual progress rather in an never ending Deja'vu loop...I can even say that we "Agree, that we disagree"
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.19 20:59:00 -
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Thesalaus,
Thats it...give in to your hate. Let your anger fuel your passion.
So, from what I gathered from this...Oberons feelings got hurt from a little bit of mud slinging.
<blinks>
Ok, I can roll with that. I too got a little urked when PA called out a vendetta specificly on Jericho to the tune it will be burnt to cinders and destroyed in any form it takes from a new namesake to its former members where ever they may go.
That is...a little...hateful. If this is truely the case then i recommend you speak with your leaders on the real reasons why this happened and how incredibly stupid this will all look 5 months from now.
But hey, we are making actual progress rather in an never ending Deja'vu loop...I can even say that we "Agree, that we disagree"
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.08.19 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 19/08/2004 21:08:58
Originally by: Thesalaus
Point of note, this war started while Halseth was on a voluntary sabbatical. So itÆs impossible for the PA to have fought this war on the word of Halseth.
We fought because we were attacked.
True and not true. First, you'll note I didn't blame Halseth for anything. I didn't blame any single person in general. I just said that He and Jade enjoyed bantering with one another, or, at least he feels inclined to do so. Either way, What I'm saying is.. that's not a war. That's just two people slinging words on a forum. Second, while he may not have been here, it's obvious that his actions before and after the incident affected the current outcome. Poisoning your wife's food (be it purposfully or accidentally), and then quick going over to the neighbors for dinner alibi isn't going to fly. That said, Let's dump the halseth topic, and I apologize for bringing it up, because he's not the issue (beyond possibly continuing this whole stupid facade for reasons only his own), and I'd rather not have yet ANOTHER side track as we either bash on jade or bash on halseth, as that's what I'm trying to stop.
After RKK blasted PA, did ya'll turn around and go "oh, guess we didn't know about this latest CDI thing. How about you apologize for blasting us, we'll apologize for CDI, and we'll leave PA as per our agreement.. blah blah" and then talk to Evol. I don't know enough about that deal, possibly work out reparations for treating them wrongly, I don't know.
No. The one thing I do hear from all sides is "RKK blasted, and war started, irrelivent of what we wanted" And I don't hear jack about Evol.
That's a load of crap. Nothing is fixed in stone. Nobody's forced to do anything. PA chose the war action. So, they're as much to blame as anyone else.
I agree Thesalaus, that you try very hard (from what little I've seen) to provide an objective and even-tempered reply here, and that's a respectable thing to do, but I won't agree to you passing the buck 100%. I've read all the forums that I could get access to, I congealed my own timeline, and I don't see anyone who's exempt from guilt.
Originally by: Thesalaus
And that's whatÆs basically perpetuating this war and pushed it to the degree of hate that itÆs currently at. Things where said that shouldn't have been said with great venom and delight that deeply offended people who are all decent people. This can be said of both sides.
I think that's a lot of our point though. Both sides have to push people to "Get over it". Or, at the very least, come up with some goals. This perpetual gurilla warfare is just dumb for everyone. All you're doing is letting the other alliances build up and prepare to slice the lot of you up like the thanksgiving turkey.
Do you even have Shiva plans? Because they're either invovling ya'll hiding in empire and/or running alt-corps. There's no way you'll get PoS to survive anywhere in Venal. And this isn't me grandstanding, as there isn't jack I can do about it, but I have enough faith in M0o and Evol's destructive urges to know it just won't last.
I understand your love of your friends and corp. You've put a lot of time and effort into it. But you have to realize, everyone else has the same thing going for it. Self-reliance is a useful trait. Pride isn't.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 19/08/2004 21:08:58
Originally by: Thesalaus
Point of note, this war started while Halseth was on a voluntary sabbatical. So itÆs impossible for the PA to have fought this war on the word of Halseth.
We fought because we were attacked.
True and not true. First, you'll note I didn't blame Halseth for anything. I didn't blame any single person in general. I just said that He and Jade enjoyed bantering with one another, or, at least he feels inclined to do so. Either way, What I'm saying is.. that's not a war. That's just two people slinging words on a forum. Second, while he may not have been here, it's obvious that his actions before and after the incident affected the current outcome. Poisoning your wife's food (be it purposfully or accidentally), and then quick going over to the neighbors for dinner alibi isn't going to fly. That said, Let's dump the halseth topic, and I apologize for bringing it up, because he's not the issue (beyond possibly continuing this whole stupid facade for reasons only his own), and I'd rather not have yet ANOTHER side track as we either bash on jade or bash on halseth, as that's what I'm trying to stop.
After RKK blasted PA, did ya'll turn around and go "oh, guess we didn't know about this latest CDI thing. How about you apologize for blasting us, we'll apologize for CDI, and we'll leave PA as per our agreement.. blah blah" and then talk to Evol. I don't know enough about that deal, possibly work out reparations for treating them wrongly, I don't know.
No. The one thing I do hear from all sides is "RKK blasted, and war started, irrelivent of what we wanted" And I don't hear jack about Evol.
That's a load of crap. Nothing is fixed in stone. Nobody's forced to do anything. PA chose the war action. So, they're as much to blame as anyone else.
I agree Thesalaus, that you try very hard (from what little I've seen) to provide an objective and even-tempered reply here, and that's a respectable thing to do, but I won't agree to you passing the buck 100%. I've read all the forums that I could get access to, I congealed my own timeline, and I don't see anyone who's exempt from guilt.
Originally by: Thesalaus
And that's whatÆs basically perpetuating this war and pushed it to the degree of hate that itÆs currently at. Things where said that shouldn't have been said with great venom and delight that deeply offended people who are all decent people. This can be said of both sides.
I think that's a lot of our point though. Both sides have to push people to "Get over it". Or, at the very least, come up with some goals. This perpetual gurilla warfare is just dumb for everyone. All you're doing is letting the other alliances build up and prepare to slice the lot of you up like the thanksgiving turkey.
Do you even have Shiva plans? Because they're either invovling ya'll hiding in empire and/or running alt-corps. There's no way you'll get PoS to survive anywhere in Venal. And this isn't me grandstanding, as there isn't jack I can do about it, but I have enough faith in M0o and Evol's destructive urges to know it just won't last.
I understand your love of your friends and corp. You've put a lot of time and effort into it. But you have to realize, everyone else has the same thing going for it. Self-reliance is a useful trait. Pride isn't.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.19 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Artegg
Edited by: Artegg on 19/08/2004 19:49:37
Originally by: Omniwar
Originally by: Halseth
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
I would like you to back this up with kill and loss report please, we all know and all means both the attackers (RKK, EVOL, .E. and m0o) and the defenders (PA) that we have way superior kill record even if you have many times our numbers, we just move elsewere to kill smaller blobs, this can not be denied and if you do you only look silly so get over your self.
Originally by: Halseth
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
All good and dandy in my opinion, we all play the game in our own way with our own plots so kudos for at least trying to make a stand.
Originally by: Halseth
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Your delings with other corps and alliances do not concern me in the slightest but when you lie about your relation I must say that I have seen PA both camp with TPS and moving safely through EC- even though TPS had a mobile warp disrupter anchored at the Torrionos gate, no relationship my butt, liars are not welcome to the Kingdom of God, repent and your sins of lying will be forgiven
Originally by: Halseth
Next?
Your posts will be taken as the truth when you, guess what, speak the truth
Regarding Point 1 on your post here I would say that is not ture at all. Maybe around BKG and surrounding areas but in the total theater of war i would say there has hardly been a day gone past when you have kill more than us. For example we(R-K) had a run of about 2-3 weeks when we were killing 10+ battleships / day noway near BKG. On top of this we have also had CE and Blades, SLI and co roving around killing each day.
I will hand you that around BKG you are up on us but in the whole war i am pretty much 100% sure you are not
Also regarding point 3 Neutral = no relationship.
What war were you fighting mate because you sure as hell have never gotten more kills than us, never.
So now I guess its my turn sauing that the kills we get in PF area are also included in the war up in Venal and above
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.19 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Artegg
Edited by: Artegg on 19/08/2004 19:49:37
Originally by: Omniwar
Originally by: Halseth
1. PA is only losing the war in NCA forum posts.
I would like you to back this up with kill and loss report please, we all know and all means both the attackers (RKK, EVOL, .E. and m0o) and the defenders (PA) that we have way superior kill record even if you have many times our numbers, we just move elsewere to kill smaller blobs, this can not be denied and if you do you only look silly so get over your self.
Originally by: Halseth
2. CA offered help aginst common enemies. We accepted.
All good and dandy in my opinion, we all play the game in our own way with our own plots so kudos for at least trying to make a stand.
Originally by: Halseth
3. PA and TPS have NO realtionship whatsoever.
Your delings with other corps and alliances do not concern me in the slightest but when you lie about your relation I must say that I have seen PA both camp with TPS and moving safely through EC- even though TPS had a mobile warp disrupter anchored at the Torrionos gate, no relationship my butt, liars are not welcome to the Kingdom of God, repent and your sins of lying will be forgiven
Originally by: Halseth
Next?
Your posts will be taken as the truth when you, guess what, speak the truth
Regarding Point 1 on your post here I would say that is not ture at all. Maybe around BKG and surrounding areas but in the total theater of war i would say there has hardly been a day gone past when you have kill more than us. For example we(R-K) had a run of about 2-3 weeks when we were killing 10+ battleships / day noway near BKG. On top of this we have also had CE and Blades, SLI and co roving around killing each day.
I will hand you that around BKG you are up on us but in the whole war i am pretty much 100% sure you are not
Also regarding point 3 Neutral = no relationship.
What war were you fighting mate because you sure as hell have never gotten more kills than us, never.
So now I guess its my turn sauing that the kills we get in PF area are also included in the war up in Venal and above
Spawn of the Devil
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.08.19 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Beatrice
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
Aww look an alt
HI!
Sass
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.08.19 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Beatrice
Poor Jade. Too busy whining here and she just got blown up. So sad!
Aww look an alt
HI!
Sass
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.19 21:49:00 -
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No, I'm not even hinting that the NCA side is golden on this.
I just dislike all the crap.
Jade & Halseth can yell at each other all day. I'm fine with that. They get off on it. What I think is weak is all the chuckleheads and alts that come out of the woodwork just spouting party line, and using it as a thinly veiled excuse to play CounterStrike in space. I have a lot more respect for the people who just say "I'm shooting you cuz it's fun." than "Jade is the devil! I shall crusade across the galaxy because Halseth told me she's a lying beast!".. Good job hypothetical guy, way to think for yourself ;)
I dislike Jade for my own reasons, not because Halseth told me too. On a side note, if your going to bring up the hypotehtical guy that Halseth told 'Jade's a liar', you should at least be fair and include the hypothetical guy that Jade told 'Halseth's a liar'. You know, because that door swings both ways.
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It's also REALLY disprespectful to the rest of the NCA. FU/NORAD/CoD (and I'd assume UNICOR) fight every day just as strongly and passionatly as everyone else, and for their own reasons. Yet people make it out like Jade's proding them to do it. I think not. It's just as much their war, for all the good and bad that it entails.
The A in NCA stands for Allies. We're all here, for various reasons.
I think Jade's posting and politicial propoganda did have some affect on who joined into the war on your side. It was not the only reason that things occcured, of course.
However, if you feel that some members of your alliances contributions are being slighted by the propogandists of the other side, maybe you should read this thread. Lo and behold, who is the author who created this...his second, btw, thread that essentially slights every corp in the PA? Now maybe your begining to understand why we dislike Jade.
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It's come to the point though that there really isn't any good reason. And, instead of just comming clean and saying "This is all a not-so-cleverly orchistrated method to give me a permanent supply of targets" they twist, lie, or are just totally ignorant, and come up with phantom paranoid excuses to continue.
Yes, we at the PA were just so bored. We sat around one day and someone was like 'dude, lets start a war with the nearest 4 alliances, and a bunch of independent corps!' and man, we really just coudln't help ourselves.
Note the sarcasim. You say that we all need to just come clean and admit that this war is the fault of both sides...and then you mention that the PA not-so-cleverly orchistrated the whole thing...wow, I can't wait to come clean and admit that. Because, having already said you believe that...if we 'came clean' and DIDN'T mention it, you'd think us liars, right?
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Wars have clearly defined and obtainable (even if not likely) goals. Most of the people in this 'war' do not have a clearly defined or obtainable goal. That's not a war. That's a feud. "Destroying Jade, DBP, and JF!" is not an obtainable goal. F-E pointed that out when they had that silly empire war a while back. Nobody wants to send a huge fleet to camp in empire under the vein hope they can possibly shoot someone in a frigate while their target spends the day chatting. It's quickly obvious who's 'winning' and who's 'loosing', when you're wasting 10 people to harras one.
You can get your clothes cleaned by all those sex-slaves? I mean, what are they there for?
Your clearly defined goal as an alliance was to remove (read: destroy) the PA so that we could not possibly 'harm' any of you again in the future. Our goal is the same now, but we do not want to see the entire NCA destroyed...just our key enemies removed from any position from which they could harm us again in the future.
I'm glad you mentioned FE, because I constantly hear people from your side of the fence talking about how the FE was destroyed and (at least 2 months ago) how the PA was next. I see no reason to disagree with them, it is possible to destroy an alliance if you have a dedicated group of players working towards that goal.
And we aren't going to try to destroy an entire alliance.....
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Posted - 2004.08.19 21:49:00 -
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No, I'm not even hinting that the NCA side is golden on this.
I just dislike all the crap.
Jade & Halseth can yell at each other all day. I'm fine with that. They get off on it. What I think is weak is all the chuckleheads and alts that come out of the woodwork just spouting party line, and using it as a thinly veiled excuse to play CounterStrike in space. I have a lot more respect for the people who just say "I'm shooting you cuz it's fun." than "Jade is the devil! I shall crusade across the galaxy because Halseth told me she's a lying beast!".. Good job hypothetical guy, way to think for yourself ;)
I dislike Jade for my own reasons, not because Halseth told me too. On a side note, if your going to bring up the hypotehtical guy that Halseth told 'Jade's a liar', you should at least be fair and include the hypothetical guy that Jade told 'Halseth's a liar'. You know, because that door swings both ways.
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It's also REALLY disprespectful to the rest of the NCA. FU/NORAD/CoD (and I'd assume UNICOR) fight every day just as strongly and passionatly as everyone else, and for their own reasons. Yet people make it out like Jade's proding them to do it. I think not. It's just as much their war, for all the good and bad that it entails.
The A in NCA stands for Allies. We're all here, for various reasons.
I think Jade's posting and politicial propoganda did have some affect on who joined into the war on your side. It was not the only reason that things occcured, of course.
However, if you feel that some members of your alliances contributions are being slighted by the propogandists of the other side, maybe you should read this thread. Lo and behold, who is the author who created this...his second, btw, thread that essentially slights every corp in the PA? Now maybe your begining to understand why we dislike Jade.
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It's come to the point though that there really isn't any good reason. And, instead of just comming clean and saying "This is all a not-so-cleverly orchistrated method to give me a permanent supply of targets" they twist, lie, or are just totally ignorant, and come up with phantom paranoid excuses to continue.
Yes, we at the PA were just so bored. We sat around one day and someone was like 'dude, lets start a war with the nearest 4 alliances, and a bunch of independent corps!' and man, we really just coudln't help ourselves.
Note the sarcasim. You say that we all need to just come clean and admit that this war is the fault of both sides...and then you mention that the PA not-so-cleverly orchistrated the whole thing...wow, I can't wait to come clean and admit that. Because, having already said you believe that...if we 'came clean' and DIDN'T mention it, you'd think us liars, right?
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Wars have clearly defined and obtainable (even if not likely) goals. Most of the people in this 'war' do not have a clearly defined or obtainable goal. That's not a war. That's a feud. "Destroying Jade, DBP, and JF!" is not an obtainable goal. F-E pointed that out when they had that silly empire war a while back. Nobody wants to send a huge fleet to camp in empire under the vein hope they can possibly shoot someone in a frigate while their target spends the day chatting. It's quickly obvious who's 'winning' and who's 'loosing', when you're wasting 10 people to harras one.
You can get your clothes cleaned by all those sex-slaves? I mean, what are they there for?
Your clearly defined goal as an alliance was to remove (read: destroy) the PA so that we could not possibly 'harm' any of you again in the future. Our goal is the same now, but we do not want to see the entire NCA destroyed...just our key enemies removed from any position from which they could harm us again in the future.
I'm glad you mentioned FE, because I constantly hear people from your side of the fence talking about how the FE was destroyed and (at least 2 months ago) how the PA was next. I see no reason to disagree with them, it is possible to destroy an alliance if you have a dedicated group of players working towards that goal.
And we aren't going to try to destroy an entire alliance.....
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:04:00 -
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Jade does it hurt you feelings that what Halseth posted was right? And that Artegg said it was right, and I am saying the same now myself? Does it really bother you because you know it is the truth to the point that you dont even want to make a multi-post post about how it isnt right?
You had me duped at one time. I'll admit that. Just wondering how long your spell over the current guys will last. I dont think they are dumb or easily misguided for following your facade, because like I said, I did it at one point too.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:04:00 -
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Jade does it hurt you feelings that what Halseth posted was right? And that Artegg said it was right, and I am saying the same now myself? Does it really bother you because you know it is the truth to the point that you dont even want to make a multi-post post about how it isnt right?
You had me duped at one time. I'll admit that. Just wondering how long your spell over the current guys will last. I dont think they are dumb or easily misguided for following your facade, because like I said, I did it at one point too.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:11:00 -
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You guys honestly think that Jade is the reason for this war.
Jade is not the reason, she is a participant, clue in. Everyone in this has a grudge against PA for their own reasons. Love it, hate it, I don't care, just accept it.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:11:00 -
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You guys honestly think that Jade is the reason for this war.
Jade is not the reason, she is a participant, clue in. Everyone in this has a grudge against PA for their own reasons. Love it, hate it, I don't care, just accept it.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:15:00 -
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What is with those Jade attacks and saying that people follow her in the war against PA?
Clearly you uys are dilutional because no one is fighting PA because someone else wants them to, we fight to have fun blowing up ships and in my case I just like to grief on alliances, i.e. deny them of peace and cause them to loose ISK by not farming or mining.
So there you have it, I am a griefer and proud of it 
Spawn of the Devil
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:15:00 -
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What is with those Jade attacks and saying that people follow her in the war against PA?
Clearly you uys are dilutional because no one is fighting PA because someone else wants them to, we fight to have fun blowing up ships and in my case I just like to grief on alliances, i.e. deny them of peace and cause them to loose ISK by not farming or mining.
So there you have it, I am a griefer and proud of it
Spawn of the Devil
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Thesalaus
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
Thesalaus,
So, from what I gathered from this...Oberons feelings got hurt from a little bit of mud slinging.
<blinks>
Yes I got ****ed, as would be any member of a corp that's the target of smear campaign.
Smear = Hate
<blinks>
Now that we're finished with the inside jabs..........
I also know every detail as to what and when everything happened. And it's not about any of that, as you've said we can go around in never ending circles about all of that and would still come out on opposite ends.
Agreeing to disagree is a start.
Oberon Inc Website
Oberon Sales Page
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Thesalaus
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:24:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Ly'sol
Thesalaus,
So, from what I gathered from this...Oberons feelings got hurt from a little bit of mud slinging.
<blinks>
Yes I got ****ed, as would be any member of a corp that's the target of smear campaign.
Smear = Hate
<blinks>
Now that we're finished with the inside jabs..........
I also know every detail as to what and when everything happened. And it's not about any of that, as you've said we can go around in never ending circles about all of that and would still come out on opposite ends.
Agreeing to disagree is a start.
Oberon Inc Website
Oberon Sales Page
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkings SJ
you should at least be fair and include the hypothetical guy that Jade told 'Halseth's a liar'. You know, because that door swings both ways.
and from my own post
Originally by: Wraeththu
No, I'm not even hinting that the NCA side is golden on this.
and
Originally by: Wraeththu
and I'd rather not have yet ANOTHER side track as we either bash on jade or bash on halseth, as that's what I'm trying to stop.
So I did already. Please read my posts, and don't just continue on the same old line.
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
this thread. Lo and behold, who is the author who created this...his second, btw, thread that essentially slights every corp in the PA? Now maybe your begining to understand why we dislike Jade.
So you're fighting half of the north, NAPing with your previous enemies, reducing production capacity, moving many industrial peopel to empire space, and otherwise spending your days in gurilla fighting becuase you're mad at one person? Seems a bit drastic to me.
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
Note the sarcasim. You say that we all need to just come clean and admit that this war is the fault of both sides...and then you mention that the PA not-so-cleverly orchistrated the whole thing...wow, I can't wait to come clean and admit that. Because, having already said you believe that...if we 'came clean' and DIDN'T mention it, you'd think us liars, right?
Where did I even SAY PA in that post, Hawkings? If you follow the 'they' back it points to "chuckleheads and alts". Do you define yourself as a chucklehead or alt? If so, then you're allowed to take offense to it..
Or are you continuing to perpetuate the "YOU YOU YOU" "ME ME ME" pettyness of the war? I didn't say the PA orchistrated it. I said certain people have. Every alt who just posts crap on this forum. Every PA or NCA person who posts nothing but the same inflamatory post, is conspiring to keep the thing going. You're doing it right here by calling me out and twisting my words to meant that I was pointed squarely at PA with that paragraph.
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
Your clearly defined goal as an alliance was to remove (read: destroy) the PA so that we could not possibly 'harm' any of you again in the future. Our goal is the same now, but we do not want to see the entire NCA destroyed...just our key enemies removed from any position from which they could harm us again in the future.
First of all. I'm not in an alliance. And by bringing the term up, your continuing the "let's sidetrack the issue by picking straws" that happens to EVERY one of these threads. Mire the conversation in rhetoric and propaganda, and ignore the real issues.
Second, I see Evol and Moo blasting the crap out of you.. They have nothing to do with the NCA. Where you going with that?
Third, "Your clearly defined goal as an alliance was to remove (read: destroy) the PA so that we could not possibly 'harm' any of you again in the future." That wasn't ever relayed to me. I got no memo. It isn't on my forums anywhere. It may be a PERSONAL goal of a few people amidst the allies, but that's their own thing. You know.. people.. they have opinions.
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
I'm glad you mentioned FE, because I constantly hear people from your side of the fence talking about how the FE was destroyed and (at least 2 months ago) how the PA was next. I see no reason to disagree with them, it is possible to destroy an alliance if you have a dedicated group of players working towards that goal.
You see people.. they have opinions. And sometimes they post them. Turns out though, MOST of us aren't robots, and we actually have differing opinions. We actually have a LOT of differing opinions, as the NCA consists of a series of different alliances. Not to mention ya'll are also at war with non NCA forces, which likely have differing opinions.
It's too bad really. I WISH I was a m0o robot. I'd be 100x better in PvP.
If you'd go back and check my post history, You'll see how I've said repeatedly you can't destroy an alliance. All you can do is "slow" an alliance while the others continue to advance.. which is exactly what's happening here. Alliances grind against each other in war, and the only true winners are the people NOT in the war. Guess what bub.. that's not you or me.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hawkings SJ
you should at least be fair and include the hypothetical guy that Jade told 'Halseth's a liar'. You know, because that door swings both ways.
and from my own post
Originally by: Wraeththu
No, I'm not even hinting that the NCA side is golden on this.
and
Originally by: Wraeththu
and I'd rather not have yet ANOTHER side track as we either bash on jade or bash on halseth, as that's what I'm trying to stop.
So I did already. Please read my posts, and don't just continue on the same old line.
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
this thread. Lo and behold, who is the author who created this...his second, btw, thread that essentially slights every corp in the PA? Now maybe your begining to understand why we dislike Jade.
So you're fighting half of the north, NAPing with your previous enemies, reducing production capacity, moving many industrial peopel to empire space, and otherwise spending your days in gurilla fighting becuase you're mad at one person? Seems a bit drastic to me.
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
Note the sarcasim. You say that we all need to just come clean and admit that this war is the fault of both sides...and then you mention that the PA not-so-cleverly orchistrated the whole thing...wow, I can't wait to come clean and admit that. Because, having already said you believe that...if we 'came clean' and DIDN'T mention it, you'd think us liars, right?
Where did I even SAY PA in that post, Hawkings? If you follow the 'they' back it points to "chuckleheads and alts". Do you define yourself as a chucklehead or alt? If so, then you're allowed to take offense to it..
Or are you continuing to perpetuate the "YOU YOU YOU" "ME ME ME" pettyness of the war? I didn't say the PA orchistrated it. I said certain people have. Every alt who just posts crap on this forum. Every PA or NCA person who posts nothing but the same inflamatory post, is conspiring to keep the thing going. You're doing it right here by calling me out and twisting my words to meant that I was pointed squarely at PA with that paragraph.
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
Your clearly defined goal as an alliance was to remove (read: destroy) the PA so that we could not possibly 'harm' any of you again in the future. Our goal is the same now, but we do not want to see the entire NCA destroyed...just our key enemies removed from any position from which they could harm us again in the future.
First of all. I'm not in an alliance. And by bringing the term up, your continuing the "let's sidetrack the issue by picking straws" that happens to EVERY one of these threads. Mire the conversation in rhetoric and propaganda, and ignore the real issues.
Second, I see Evol and Moo blasting the crap out of you.. They have nothing to do with the NCA. Where you going with that?
Third, "Your clearly defined goal as an alliance was to remove (read: destroy) the PA so that we could not possibly 'harm' any of you again in the future." That wasn't ever relayed to me. I got no memo. It isn't on my forums anywhere. It may be a PERSONAL goal of a few people amidst the allies, but that's their own thing. You know.. people.. they have opinions.
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
I'm glad you mentioned FE, because I constantly hear people from your side of the fence talking about how the FE was destroyed and (at least 2 months ago) how the PA was next. I see no reason to disagree with them, it is possible to destroy an alliance if you have a dedicated group of players working towards that goal.
You see people.. they have opinions. And sometimes they post them. Turns out though, MOST of us aren't robots, and we actually have differing opinions. We actually have a LOT of differing opinions, as the NCA consists of a series of different alliances. Not to mention ya'll are also at war with non NCA forces, which likely have differing opinions.
It's too bad really. I WISH I was a m0o robot. I'd be 100x better in PvP.
If you'd go back and check my post history, You'll see how I've said repeatedly you can't destroy an alliance. All you can do is "slow" an alliance while the others continue to advance.. which is exactly what's happening here. Alliances grind against each other in war, and the only true winners are the people NOT in the war. Guess what bub.. that's not you or me.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:38:00 -
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I see this 9 page post. I ask the people "Is it worth my time to read?"
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:38:00 -
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I see this 9 page post. I ask the people "Is it worth my time to read?"
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Stoop
Jade does it hurt you feelings that what Halseth posted was right? And that Artegg said it was right, and I am saying the same now myself? Does it really bother you because you know it is the truth to the point that you dont even want to make a multi-post post about how it isnt right?
Ummmm let me think about this. Does it hurt my feelings that three members if the PA: Halseth (Oberon) Artegg (RONA-KIA) and Stoop (GODS) should happen to agree on a faked bit of history to make them feel righteous and justified on a past backstab against an allied corporation?
The truth is (and this may hurt your feelings just a bit monsieur Stoop) is that I don't really even know you. I just barely remember you being a little whiny fellow in the NVA channels who was always complaining about something. If I did have you "under a spell" (or some such tosh) then believe me the feeling was entirely unrequited. To be brutally honest I quite forgot all about you when Jericho Fraction went independent and you only appeared on the radar again in this current conflict with your knee jerk spouting of the party line.
So why exactly should anything you say hurt my feelings? You cannot effect me in any way Stoop. At this moment I pay you the compliment of recognising your existence for a few moments, but really, thats as far as it goes.
But really, this is achieving nothing. Everyone has had their say in the excellent history of the northern war thread and I don't think anybody sensible pays any mind to the nonsense spouted about my role in this conflict by PA propagandists.
I am involved because Jericho is involved and Jericho is involved because our allies are involved. Everyone came to their own independent decisions to join the fighting and there really was no political super-witchery silver bullet to suddenly turn half of eve anti-PA.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:39:00 -
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Quote:
Originally by: Stoop
Jade does it hurt you feelings that what Halseth posted was right? And that Artegg said it was right, and I am saying the same now myself? Does it really bother you because you know it is the truth to the point that you dont even want to make a multi-post post about how it isnt right?
Ummmm let me think about this. Does it hurt my feelings that three members if the PA: Halseth (Oberon) Artegg (RONA-KIA) and Stoop (GODS) should happen to agree on a faked bit of history to make them feel righteous and justified on a past backstab against an allied corporation?
The truth is (and this may hurt your feelings just a bit monsieur Stoop) is that I don't really even know you. I just barely remember you being a little whiny fellow in the NVA channels who was always complaining about something. If I did have you "under a spell" (or some such tosh) then believe me the feeling was entirely unrequited. To be brutally honest I quite forgot all about you when Jericho Fraction went independent and you only appeared on the radar again in this current conflict with your knee jerk spouting of the party line.
So why exactly should anything you say hurt my feelings? You cannot effect me in any way Stoop. At this moment I pay you the compliment of recognising your existence for a few moments, but really, thats as far as it goes.
But really, this is achieving nothing. Everyone has had their say in the excellent history of the northern war thread and I don't think anybody sensible pays any mind to the nonsense spouted about my role in this conflict by PA propagandists.
I am involved because Jericho is involved and Jericho is involved because our allies are involved. Everyone came to their own independent decisions to join the fighting and there really was no political super-witchery silver bullet to suddenly turn half of eve anti-PA.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:40:00 -
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If you would read it, then I think you would see that it is.
Why post on a thread that you don't read? What point does that serve?
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Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.19 22:40:00 -
[364]
If you would read it, then I think you would see that it is.
Why post on a thread that you don't read? What point does that serve?
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:11:00 -
[365]
/emote hands Dreamworks a tech2 tissue
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:11:00 -
[366]
/emote hands Dreamworks a tech2 tissue
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:14:00 -
[367]
So if I get this right... because I am not a high profile player and you dont 'know' me then what I say has no clout. Cool.
Knee Jerk =) I love it. Whiny. Love that one too. If you want to call it whining thats great. I'd consider it more of me calling you out but hey *shrug.
And I'd say you knew me well enough to say that we have a history in another post, of us going back and forth. But I guess its just convienient for you to not know me for the purpose of your response.
Kisses
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:14:00 -
[368]
So if I get this right... because I am not a high profile player and you dont 'know' me then what I say has no clout. Cool.
Knee Jerk =) I love it. Whiny. Love that one too. If you want to call it whining thats great. I'd consider it more of me calling you out but hey *shrug.
And I'd say you knew me well enough to say that we have a history in another post, of us going back and forth. But I guess its just convienient for you to not know me for the purpose of your response.
Kisses
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:16:00 -
[369]
/emote hands Stoop a tech2 tissue as well
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:16:00 -
[370]
/emote hands Stoop a tech2 tissue as well
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:22:00 -
[371]
/emote rents a factory slot to make more tech 2 tissues....
Posting for Numbnutz |
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:22:00 -
[372]
/emote rents a factory slot to make more tech 2 tissues....
Posting for Numbnutz |
Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:34:00 -
[373]
I really don't want to read this. I can't even imagine why I would want to....will there be some concrete result? some new and life-changing intelligence revealed? An interesting movie at least?
Or perhaps the umpteenth rehash of existing conditions.
Correct me if I'm wrong in such a arrogant assumption.
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K. Raven
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:34:00 -
[374]
I really don't want to read this. I can't even imagine why I would want to....will there be some concrete result? some new and life-changing intelligence revealed? An interesting movie at least?
Or perhaps the umpteenth rehash of existing conditions.
Correct me if I'm wrong in such a arrogant assumption.
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K. Raven
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killerho
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:41:00 -
[375]
Edited by: killerho on 19/08/2004 23:44:18
Originally by: Jade Constantine
/emote hands Stoop a tech2 tissue as well
Ridiculous and stupid responses, you must be losing it Jade, oops wait another JF member with total crap to post. How many more can we get to post? Your contstant garbage about this war is ridiculous, you will NEVER get Venal back, you will NEVER have an alliance to ruin again, you will NEVER EVER be in any position of power. You made your bed now go sleep in it.
It is too bad that you had to drag these newer alliances in to your crusade . I feel sorry for them. If they really knew what you did to the NVA while sitting in empire space. |
killerho
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Posted - 2004.08.19 23:41:00 -
[376]
Edited by: killerho on 19/08/2004 23:44:18
Originally by: Jade Constantine
/emote hands Stoop a tech2 tissue as well
Ridiculous and stupid responses, you must be losing it Jade, oops wait another JF member with total crap to post. How many more can we get to post? Your contstant garbage about this war is ridiculous, you will NEVER get Venal back, you will NEVER have an alliance to ruin again, you will NEVER EVER be in any position of power. You made your bed now go sleep in it.
It is too bad that you had to drag these newer alliances in to your crusade . I feel sorry for them. If they really knew what you did to the NVA while sitting in empire space. |
Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:01:00 -
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Wraeththu:
First lets clear this up.
Quote:
So you're fighting half of the north, NAPing with your previous enemies, reducing production capacity, moving many industrial peopel to empire space, and otherwise spending your days in gurilla fighting becuase you're mad at one person? Seems a bit drastic to me.
You may want to see an end to hostilites. First off your going to have to accept that you are part of an alliance...oh excuse me...a "coalition" that is attacking us. We are not the agressors, we are the defenders. We are not fighting with the NCA because some of us hate Jade. We are fighting with the NCA because YOU ARE ATTACKING US.
Few of us blame Jade solely for the war, I think he was a part of the propeganda that lead to some who may not otherwise have attacked doing so. That is what I blame Jade for. That and I simply don't like Jade, mainly because its hard to like someone whos every post is designed to make the PA look bad, evil, weak, etc, etc, etc.
We are not fighting this war to get at Jade, see, that would require us to be the attackers.
Quote:
First of all. I'm not in an alliance. And by bringing the term up, your continuing the "let's sidetrack the issue by picking straws" that happens to EVERY one of these threads.
Speaking of sidetracking and picking at straws....sorry your COALITION. Happy now?
Quote:
Third, "Your clearly defined goal as an alliance was to remove (read: destroy) the PA so that we could not possibly 'harm' any of you again in the future." That wasn't ever relayed to me. I got no memo. It isn't on my forums anywhere. It may be a PERSONAL goal of a few people amidst the allies, but that's their own thing. You know.. people.. they have opinions.
Ok, provide for me any sort of proof that this ISN'T the goal of your allian...oh sorry your Coalition. Was that the word for word press release of the NCA? Of course not, your conviently 'not an alliance' and have no sort of governing body, no sort of obligation to one another (hi, UNICOR) and no cupability for the actions of your current allies (hi, m0o). Wait, no cupability for the actions of our allies....wasn't that the whole reason that this war began? Because PA supposedly wasn't holding itself accountable for CDI's actions? But actions speak louder then words...and hell, the CEO's of many NCA corps, including your own....have stated many times that the PA must be destroyed...if not in those exact words, then damn close.
Quote:
Second, I see Evol and Moo blasting the crap out of you.. They have nothing to do with the NCA. Where you going with that?
Nothing of the NCA? Oh hey, just curious...are they +10 to you? Do you even realize that if m0o and ev0l leave the NCA cannot on its own handle us? You don't have to say "here m0o, its your official NCA badge" for them to be an intergral part of your alliance.
Besides, let me paraphrase Jade "The NCA is a convient term for those who have taken it apon themselves to attack the PA, it is simpler then saying RKK, JF, m0o, ev0l, CoD, UNICOR, NORAD, FU etc". I know thats not word for word, but if you insist I'll find it.
Screw it, I know what you were getting at. You want to see the fighting end....kudos, your not alone. Personally I have other people I would rather be fighting then most of the NCA. However lets also be realistic....the PA has no choice in the fighting. Your attacking us, you want peace....make the first move.
Oh, and as soon as you stop including little jabs at the PA and misquoting me, I'll stop including little jabs at JF and the NCA, and misquoting you. In fact, do it next post, and I'll do it in mine.
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Hawkings SJ
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:01:00 -
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Wraeththu:
First lets clear this up.
Quote:
So you're fighting half of the north, NAPing with your previous enemies, reducing production capacity, moving many industrial peopel to empire space, and otherwise spending your days in gurilla fighting becuase you're mad at one person? Seems a bit drastic to me.
You may want to see an end to hostilites. First off your going to have to accept that you are part of an alliance...oh excuse me...a "coalition" that is attacking us. We are not the agressors, we are the defenders. We are not fighting with the NCA because some of us hate Jade. We are fighting with the NCA because YOU ARE ATTACKING US.
Few of us blame Jade solely for the war, I think he was a part of the propeganda that lead to some who may not otherwise have attacked doing so. That is what I blame Jade for. That and I simply don't like Jade, mainly because its hard to like someone whos every post is designed to make the PA look bad, evil, weak, etc, etc, etc.
We are not fighting this war to get at Jade, see, that would require us to be the attackers.
Quote:
First of all. I'm not in an alliance. And by bringing the term up, your continuing the "let's sidetrack the issue by picking straws" that happens to EVERY one of these threads.
Speaking of sidetracking and picking at straws....sorry your COALITION. Happy now?
Quote:
Third, "Your clearly defined goal as an alliance was to remove (read: destroy) the PA so that we could not possibly 'harm' any of you again in the future." That wasn't ever relayed to me. I got no memo. It isn't on my forums anywhere. It may be a PERSONAL goal of a few people amidst the allies, but that's their own thing. You know.. people.. they have opinions.
Ok, provide for me any sort of proof that this ISN'T the goal of your allian...oh sorry your Coalition. Was that the word for word press release of the NCA? Of course not, your conviently 'not an alliance' and have no sort of governing body, no sort of obligation to one another (hi, UNICOR) and no cupability for the actions of your current allies (hi, m0o). Wait, no cupability for the actions of our allies....wasn't that the whole reason that this war began? Because PA supposedly wasn't holding itself accountable for CDI's actions? But actions speak louder then words...and hell, the CEO's of many NCA corps, including your own....have stated many times that the PA must be destroyed...if not in those exact words, then damn close.
Quote:
Second, I see Evol and Moo blasting the crap out of you.. They have nothing to do with the NCA. Where you going with that?
Nothing of the NCA? Oh hey, just curious...are they +10 to you? Do you even realize that if m0o and ev0l leave the NCA cannot on its own handle us? You don't have to say "here m0o, its your official NCA badge" for them to be an intergral part of your alliance.
Besides, let me paraphrase Jade "The NCA is a convient term for those who have taken it apon themselves to attack the PA, it is simpler then saying RKK, JF, m0o, ev0l, CoD, UNICOR, NORAD, FU etc". I know thats not word for word, but if you insist I'll find it.
Screw it, I know what you were getting at. You want to see the fighting end....kudos, your not alone. Personally I have other people I would rather be fighting then most of the NCA. However lets also be realistic....the PA has no choice in the fighting. Your attacking us, you want peace....make the first move.
Oh, and as soon as you stop including little jabs at the PA and misquoting me, I'll stop including little jabs at JF and the NCA, and misquoting you. In fact, do it next post, and I'll do it in mine.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/08/2004 01:26:53
Quote:
Ridiculous and stupid responses, you must be losing it Jade, oops wait another JF member with total crap to post. How many more can we get to post? Your contstant garbage about this war is ridiculous, you will NEVER get Venal back, you will NEVER have an alliance to ruin again, you will NEVER EVER be in any position of power. You made your bed now go sleep in it.
You sound almost exactly like the famous Captain Massacre!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:20:00 -
[380]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/08/2004 01:26:53
Quote:
Ridiculous and stupid responses, you must be losing it Jade, oops wait another JF member with total crap to post. How many more can we get to post? Your contstant garbage about this war is ridiculous, you will NEVER get Venal back, you will NEVER have an alliance to ruin again, you will NEVER EVER be in any position of power. You made your bed now go sleep in it.
You sound almost exactly like the famous Captain Massacre!
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:36:00 -
[381]
We control NCA from the shadows
Spawn of the Devil
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:36:00 -
[382]
We control NCA from the shadows
Spawn of the Devil
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:39:00 -
[383]
Originally by: Omniwar
We control NCA from the shadows
Oh my lord Omniwar ... now you are turning into Captain Massacre as well! Where will it end?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:39:00 -
[384]
Originally by: Omniwar
We control NCA from the shadows
Oh my lord Omniwar ... now you are turning into Captain Massacre as well! Where will it end?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Thesalaus
For instance, I'm the founder of Oberon. A corp that I conceived in my mindÆs eye some 2 years ago, a corp that I formed and molded with the best possible values I could instill in it.
On that note congratulations on the OI backstory.
I really like it, it's a shame that you haven't used that RP background you created more in todays EVE world
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.08.20 01:53:00 -
[386]
Originally by: Thesalaus
For instance, I'm the founder of Oberon. A corp that I conceived in my mindÆs eye some 2 years ago, a corp that I formed and molded with the best possible values I could instill in it.
On that note congratulations on the OI backstory.
I really like it, it's a shame that you haven't used that RP background you created more in todays EVE world
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.20 02:02:00 -
[387]
Edited by: Ly'sol on 20/08/2004 02:11:55
Originally by: Jade Constantine
/emote hands Stoop a tech2 tissue as well
Ridiculous and stupid responses, you must be losing it Jade, oops wait another JF member with total crap to post. How many more can we get to post? Your contstant garbage about this war is ridiculous, you will NEVER get Venal back, you will NEVER have an alliance to ruin again, you will NEVER EVER be in any position of power. You made your bed now go sleep in it.
It is too bad that you had to drag these newer alliances in to your crusade . I feel sorry for them. If they really knew what you did to the NVA while sitting in empire space.
Well mister Crice Corperation member of less than a day,
You have no arguement. You spout out tripe about people who you do not know, and you choose not to hear out our message. But hey, who wants to be an indevidual and find out for yourself instead of listening and believing what others say.
And since on so wise on the politics going on here I guess you missed the fact that Jericho wants nothing to do with Venal. We have no interests there other than the fact thats were our not so polite and hostile nieghbors reside. Think before you speak my friend. I dont like people makeing fools of themselves.
You are so sadly mistaken. This is NOT Jade's war. Jade is a single player. Man you guys are being thick skulled about this. CRICE tighten your newbies leash and teach him to learn fully of the situation before he opens his mouth representing your corperation.
NOTE: Edited for mis-quoteing
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.08.20 02:02:00 -
[388]
Edited by: Ly'sol on 20/08/2004 02:11:55
Originally by: Jade Constantine
/emote hands Stoop a tech2 tissue as well
Ridiculous and stupid responses, you must be losing it Jade, oops wait another JF member with total crap to post. How many more can we get to post? Your contstant garbage about this war is ridiculous, you will NEVER get Venal back, you will NEVER have an alliance to ruin again, you will NEVER EVER be in any position of power. You made your bed now go sleep in it.
It is too bad that you had to drag these newer alliances in to your crusade . I feel sorry for them. If they really knew what you did to the NVA while sitting in empire space.
Well mister Crice Corperation member of less than a day,
You have no arguement. You spout out tripe about people who you do not know, and you choose not to hear out our message. But hey, who wants to be an indevidual and find out for yourself instead of listening and believing what others say.
And since on so wise on the politics going on here I guess you missed the fact that Jericho wants nothing to do with Venal. We have no interests there other than the fact thats were our not so polite and hostile nieghbors reside. Think before you speak my friend. I dont like people makeing fools of themselves.
You are so sadly mistaken. This is NOT Jade's war. Jade is a single player. Man you guys are being thick skulled about this. CRICE tighten your newbies leash and teach him to learn fully of the situation before he opens his mouth representing your corperation.
NOTE: Edited for mis-quoteing
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Thesalaus
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Posted - 2004.08.20 02:12:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Riddari
On that note congratulations on the OI backstory.
I really like it, it's a shame that you haven't used that RP background you created more in todays EVE world
Thanks Riddari.
Back in my more naive days concerning Eve I sincerely wish/hoped that I could have expanded that story and meld it with Eve. Unfortunately, me and many others discovered that Eve's game mechanics couldn't support such ideas, especially one of being a niche corp specializing in drone production. Believe me we tried hard to do so almost to the determent to the corp at that time.
One day we'll going to compile a history telling the of that endeavor and everything else we've been through since the beta days.
Oberon Inc Website
Oberon Sales Page
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Thesalaus
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Posted - 2004.08.20 02:12:00 -
[390]
Originally by: Riddari
On that note congratulations on the OI backstory.
I really like it, it's a shame that you haven't used that RP background you created more in todays EVE world
Thanks Riddari.
Back in my more naive days concerning Eve I sincerely wish/hoped that I could have expanded that story and meld it with Eve. Unfortunately, me and many others discovered that Eve's game mechanics couldn't support such ideas, especially one of being a niche corp specializing in drone production. Believe me we tried hard to do so almost to the determent to the corp at that time.
One day we'll going to compile a history telling the of that endeavor and everything else we've been through since the beta days.
Oberon Inc Website
Oberon Sales Page
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Racknan
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Posted - 2004.08.20 04:46:00 -
[391]
....Down with the PA (Pirate Alliance - that's what it really stands for anyhow....)
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Racknan
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Posted - 2004.08.20 04:46:00 -
[392]
....Down with the PA (Pirate Alliance - that's what it really stands for anyhow....)
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2004.08.20 04:56:00 -
[393]
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
You may want to see an end to hostilites. First off your going to have to accept that you are part of an alliance...oh excuse me...a "coalition" that is attacking us. We are not the agressors, we are the defenders. We are not fighting with the NCA because some of us hate Jade. We are fighting with the NCA because YOU ARE ATTACKING US.
...and your leaders have locked us in that position.
Your leaders made statements on theese forums at the start of the war stating that Reikoku and Jericho Fraction would be hunted down and killed for all time. I have not seen any retraction of that, so I assume that that policy is still in effect. Ergo: the ball's in your court, since you are the ones that have promised eternal war. But perhaps this policy never relayed to the PA membership?
I chatted to some CE guys a couple of days ago that apparently had no idea of those PA statements, since they were telling me that we should "consider peace" or something such. Which was pretty baffling to me, I must confess, since for all I've heard from PA statements the PA has descided that there will never be peace for us whatever we do.
Or was that never brought to a constitutional vote? (Like certain earlier "policies" were not brought through the signed-to protocols.)
So, Hawkings, you've got to realize that while the cloud of ever-war declaration hangs over our heads there simply is no way whatsoever we can think about peace. It is YOUR leaders that have forced our hand into a crush-or-be-crushed policy, since the only way to gain peace while such a declaration remains in effect is the complete annihilation of PA.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2004.08.20 04:56:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Hawkings SJ
You may want to see an end to hostilites. First off your going to have to accept that you are part of an alliance...oh excuse me...a "coalition" that is attacking us. We are not the agressors, we are the defenders. We are not fighting with the NCA because some of us hate Jade. We are fighting with the NCA because YOU ARE ATTACKING US.
...and your leaders have locked us in that position.
Your leaders made statements on theese forums at the start of the war stating that Reikoku and Jericho Fraction would be hunted down and killed for all time. I have not seen any retraction of that, so I assume that that policy is still in effect. Ergo: the ball's in your court, since you are the ones that have promised eternal war. But perhaps this policy never relayed to the PA membership?
I chatted to some CE guys a couple of days ago that apparently had no idea of those PA statements, since they were telling me that we should "consider peace" or something such. Which was pretty baffling to me, I must confess, since for all I've heard from PA statements the PA has descided that there will never be peace for us whatever we do.
Or was that never brought to a constitutional vote? (Like certain earlier "policies" were not brought through the signed-to protocols.)
So, Hawkings, you've got to realize that while the cloud of ever-war declaration hangs over our heads there simply is no way whatsoever we can think about peace. It is YOUR leaders that have forced our hand into a crush-or-be-crushed policy, since the only way to gain peace while such a declaration remains in effect is the complete annihilation of PA.
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Tbone
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Posted - 2004.08.20 07:08:00 -
[395]
Originally by: Kalast Raven
I really don't want to read this. I can't even imagine why I would want to....will there be some concrete result? some new and life-changing intelligence revealed? An interesting movie at least?
Or perhaps the umpteenth rehash of existing conditions.
Correct me if I'm wrong in such a arrogant assumption.
Nothing to read of importance here. Just same ol boring crap.
Skipped over 97% of it and still read 2 pages.
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Unholy Killboard
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Tbone
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Posted - 2004.08.20 07:08:00 -
[396]
Originally by: Kalast Raven
I really don't want to read this. I can't even imagine why I would want to....will there be some concrete result? some new and life-changing intelligence revealed? An interesting movie at least?
Or perhaps the umpteenth rehash of existing conditions.
Correct me if I'm wrong in such a arrogant assumption.
Nothing to read of importance here. Just same ol boring crap.
Skipped over 97% of it and still read 2 pages.
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Unholy Killboard
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2004.08.20 07:17:00 -
[397]
This thread has run its course and now theres just far too much flaming and trolling to let it continue any longer, locked.
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2004.08.20 07:17:00 -
[398]
This thread has run its course and now theres just far too much flaming and trolling to let it continue any longer, locked.
ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming) |
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