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Mithos Victus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:50:00 - [121] Originally by: Sabrage I have never been mugged. I therefore think it's quite safe to say that walking alone at night is quite safe, and those who do get mugged are doing it wrong. I live life based on stringent and mostly paranoid delusional philosophical quandaries therefore I cannot safely breathe without a mask and oxygen tank because I fear if I take a gulp of real air, I might randomly inhale and choke on a flying hot dog. Relish not included. _______________________________________________ [...a lion lurking in the plain]
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:54:00 - [122] Originally by: TimMc I hit "Apply" and have never had problems. Cool story bro.
Caecilia Arene Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:59:00 - [123] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Caecilia Arene Originally by: Grez Amen - you're aware you have to open the skill planner and hit "Apply" right? lol. Evidently they are not . I've never had a single problem with it... So you agree that the "add to queue" button should be removed, then since it doesn't acutally do what it says on the can ù i.e. that it is bugged? No... I use it all the time. Add to queue what you want added, open skill planner, hit apply, not problems. It can be done from inside the planner too. Just always, always hit apply. Have you guys ever actually used 'real' financial software?? Everything is theoretical until you actually commit the change to the database. Failing to apply probably causes a rollback (if it even gets to the database layer at that stage).
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:08:00 - [124] I think moast of this issue could be fixed with an apply/pause button on the bottom of the normal skill section. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:14:00 - [125] Originally by: Caecilia Arene Originally by: Tippia So you agree that the "add to queue" button should be removed, then since it doesn't acutally do what it says on the can — i.e. that it is bugged? No... I use it all the time. Add to queue what you want added, open skill planner, hit apply, not problems. It can be done from inside the planner too. Just always, always hit apply. Ok, so you agree, then, that the fact that you don't need to hit apply means that the system is bugged? Because you don't, you know… Quote: Have you guys ever actually used 'real' financial software?? Good thing that EVE isn't a piece of financial software, then — real or otherwise — so we don't have to worry about those things. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Sarlera	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:57:00 - [126] I never hit the apply button, because I don't use the skill queue window to add skills to the queue. I usually right-click-add-to-queue from the skill menu, open up the skill queue, note the time remaining, close skill queue, note all the blue boxes on my skill list, and... ...it's broken. Of my past five logins to add to the skill queue, in ALL FIVE CASES the skill queue had failed. First few times I just assumed I had not written down the right completion time and had logged in a day late. But after careful observation it's quite clear that the skill queue just plain is broken. The code does not work, plain and simple. And there's really no excuse for it not working - it is not hard, at all, to put some records into a database and pull some records out of a database later and do some addition. Any first year php script monkey should be able to pull that off. Similarly, it shouldn't take more than a couple hours to figure out what's up and fix it.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:59:00 - [127] Originally by: Sarlera I never hit the apply button, because I don't use the skill queue window to add skills to the queue. I usually right-click-add-to-queue from the skill menu, open up the skill queue, note the time remaining, close skill queue, note all the blue boxes on my skill list, and... ...you forgot to hit apply. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:01:00 - [128] Originally by: Sarlera I never hit the apply button, because I don't use the skill queue window to add skills to the queue. I usually right-click-add-to-queue from the skill menu, open up the skill queue, note the time remaining, close skill queue, note all the blue boxes on my skill list, and... ...it's broken. Of my past five logins to add to the skill queue, in ALL FIVE CASES the skill queue had failed. First few times I just assumed I had not written down the right completion time and had logged in a day late. But after careful observation it's quite clear that the skill queue just plain is broken. The code does not work, plain and simple. And there's really no excuse for it not working - it is not hard, at all, to put some records into a database and pull some records out of a database later and do some addition. Any first year php script monkey should be able to pull that off. Similarly, it shouldn't take more than a couple hours to figure out what's up and fix it. /Facepalm
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:24:00 - [129] What is "Right Click -> Add to End of Skill Queue" for if you have to open another window and click "Apply"? The skill queue interface makes no sense at all. I don't understand how CCP could hire so many new employees in the last few years and not a single one with a clue of UI design...
Caecilia Arene Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:31:00 - [130] Edited by: Caecilia Arene on 23/03/2009 22:34:24 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Caecilia Arene Originally by: Tippia So you agree that the "add to queue" button should be removed, then since it doesn't acutally do what it says on the can ù i.e. that it is bugged? No... I use it all the time. Add to queue what you want added, open skill planner, hit apply, not problems. It can be done from inside the planner too. Just always, always hit apply. Ok, so you agree, then, that the fact that you don't need to hit apply means that the system is bugged? Not at all (actually I don't think I've agreed with anything you've said so you may as well stop saying 'So you agree...'). I was merely answering your question (i.e. is it bugged?). No, it's not bugged. It works fine for me as I always apply my changes. It doesn't matter where you add the skills from, just that you apply it. Working as intended I would guess.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:32:00 - [131] Originally by: Feilamya What is "Right Click -> Add to End of Skill Queue" for if you have to open another window and click "Apply"? An unfinished interface probably. However the point is if you dont want to lose any skill training time then always pause your training before you add skills then hit apply when you are done. Then in a future patch ccp can fix the parts that still don't work. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Caecilia Arene Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:36:00 - [132] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Feilamya What is "Right Click -> Add to End of Skill Queue" for if you have to open another window and click "Apply"? An unfinished interface probably. However the point is if you dont want to lose any skill training time then always pause your training before you add skills then hit apply when you are done. Then in a future patch ccp can fix the parts that still don't work. Silly.... to commit the database changes of course .
waferzankko Caldari The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:38:00 - [133] CCP; I love you, and I love the skill que. anyone that says otherwise is dead to me(in game). I will find them in game and kill them(in game) all for questioning ccp. -ccp is the best company in the world. -ccp is better than sex -ccp should be paid extra money as they are cool I would give ccp human sacrifices if it was legal, but it is not so i will not. I LOVE YOU CCP I WILL HAVE ALL YOUR BABYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Caecilia Arene Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:46:00 - [134] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Sarlera I never hit the apply button, because I don't use the skill queue window to add skills to the queue. I usually right-click-add-to-queue from the skill menu, open up the skill queue, note the time remaining, close skill queue, note all the blue boxes on my skill list, and... ...it's broken. Of my past five logins to add to the skill queue, in ALL FIVE CASES the skill queue had failed. First few times I just assumed I had not written down the right completion time and had logged in a day late. But after careful observation it's quite clear that the skill queue just plain is broken. The code does not work, plain and simple. And there's really no excuse for it not working - it is not hard, at all, to put some records into a database and pull some records out of a database later and do some addition. Any first year php script monkey should be able to pull that off. Similarly, it shouldn't take more than a couple hours to figure out what's up and fix it. /Facepalm Now now... we must be a little kinder to those from the lower end of the gene pool .
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:20:00 - [135] Edited by: Tippia on 23/03/2009 23:25:56 Originally by: Caecilia Arene It doesn't matter where you add the skills from, just that you apply it. And the point I'm making is that this is not true. You don't need to apply it — in fact, given some ways of adding skills, you can't apply it. And yet, we're seeing all these failed queues. So the question is: a) Does the "add to queue" option work as one might expect — i.e. the skill is appended to the end of the queue, and no "apply" is needed? or b) Does the "add to queue" option not actually add to the queue, but rather to a potential queue that then needs to be confirmed — i.e. applied on the queue screen? Now, I happen to know that b) isn't true. I know this because skills I have added through "add to queue" have most certainly been in the queue and they've trained just fine. The means that no "apply" is needed. This, in turn, means that a) is true, that there is a bug, and that those claiming otherwise can stfu. However, if we ignore that for a moment and assume that b) is true, then the "apply to queue" option should be removed, reworded, and just clarified in general since it doesn't actually do what it says it does: it doesn't add skills to the queue. Furthermore, if b) is true, then what I'm experiencing is a bug since apparently skill queues are being applied without my say-so. So when I'm saying that you agree that it is bugged, it's because you have to accept one of the above options. Either a) is true, and the queue is bugged because sometimes skills in the queue don't train properly, or b) is true, and there is a bug that installs queues without the player giving his permission. Either skills fail to train when they should, or they train when they shouldn't. Either way, it's bugged. The lucky circumstance that you haven't been hit (yet) does not mean there is no bug, and your experiences so far are irrelevant. Your refusal to ackowledge that the queue is bugged hinges on your belief that you have to apply no matter what. I'm questioning that belief based on the fact that I haven't had to apply to get my queues working, and with that in mind, I'm asking you which of the two scenarios (and associated bugs) you think we're dealing with. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Zhora Six	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:59:00 - [136] I hit "Apply" and never had problems... until today. 3 days of skill training, but the character sheet shows nothing? I hope my petition goes through... ___________________________________ Always enjoy your virtual synthetic psychotropics in moderation.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:02:00 - [137] I know "it works for me" postings are useless and a waste but I've never experienced any problems with the queue :-D Hope this wont change :))
Buriko Kamakura	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:16:00 - [138] I think there are certain situations in which the skill queue doesn't work, so both the folks saying "it doesn't work" and those saying "it always works" are both half-right. Generally, it seems to me that it's a good idea not to load up the queue beyond 24 hours, even though it is possible to do so by adding a skill to the queue outside of the "skill queue planner" window. I've had good days with the queue, and also ran into times when it didn't work. And yes, I always hit the "apply" button. I believe the times it didn't work, I had loaded it up with a long skill after it was already full; for whatever reason, it caused the game to completely ignore the entire skill queue as a result, leaving me with a few hours of lost training. But, lesson learned, and now I haven't had a problem since.
Lethos Aranis THE BLACK RAGE Cruor-Salax Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:22:00 - [139] Originally by: NeoShocker Originally by: Rancideous Edited by: Rancideous on 23/03/2009 06:31:13 I just love queuing up a skill to change over night only to find in the morning the skill queue did not start the next skill and I've lost nights worth of training time. This has happened MANY times to me now. CCP, how could you screw up the skill queue system so badly? After two weeks and there is still no patch to fix the skill queue issues? I dunno about you guy, but there's no "bug". I've been using the skill que, and dedicated one WEEK worth of skill training, trained around 50+ levels from 0 to III. Did not encounter any problem to this day. Like some people say, you probably have not click "apply". I even bet you check in "never pop up again" to that window even. Wow.....just wow. People seem to get dumber and dumber "Oh mah gawdz, I don't have the problem therefore there is no problem. Rest of you are just ******s!" /facepalm
Lethos Aranis THE BLACK RAGE Cruor-Salax Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:29:00 - [140] Edited by: Lethos Aranis on 24/03/2009 01:30:08 Originally by: Caecilia Arene Edited by: Caecilia Arene on 23/03/2009 22:34:24 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Caecilia Arene Originally by: Tippia So you agree that the "add to queue" button should be removed, then since it doesn't acutally do what it says on the can ù i.e. that it is bugged? No... I use it all the time. Add to queue what you want added, open skill planner, hit apply, not problems. It can be done from inside the planner too. Just always, always hit apply. Ok, so you agree, then, that the fact that you don't need to hit apply means that the system is bugged? Not at all (actually I don't think I've agreed with anything you've said so you may as well stop saying 'So you agree...'). I was merely answering your question (i.e. is it bugged?). No, it's not bugged. It works fine for me as I always apply my changes. It doesn't matter where you add the skills from, just that you apply it. Working as intended I would guess. Just because you don't experience the bug doesn't mean there is no bug. Did you seriously just infer that because you always click apply and you've never had a problem that there is in fact no bug at all? I refuse to believe you can be so daft. Many, many, many of us have used the skill queue system as intended, always clicked apply and it's **ing fantastic. However, it can tend to bug out sometimes regardless of what you may or may not do. The skill queue is great and once the bugs are ironed out it will be one of the best features but people who come in here and go "You're doing it wrong, you just need to hit apply" are first of all idiots for assuming that everyone with the problem is not hitting apply and secondly trolls of the worst calibre. People need to add something worthy to a discussion or they can ** off back to CAOD.
Michelle Vega	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:46:00 - [141] /me laughs at disgruntled playerses hate/flame mail. Haven't seen any admitance that que is bugged by ccp. Just large talk from people hoping that they were not wrong. Hit apply. Just because windows doesnt need it doesnt mean eve doesnt. Obvious n00b is obvious.
Xikulis Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:10:00 - [142] Originally by: Michelle Vega /me laughs at disgruntled playerses hate/flame mail. Haven't seen any admitance that que is bugged by ccp. Just large talk from people hoping that they were not wrong. Hit apply. Just because windows doesnt need it doesnt mean eve doesnt. Obvious n00b is obvious. How about taking the time to actually read the thread before furiously hitting the reply button? As stated people who hit apply are still having issues. Furthermore AS STATED in this thread the API reports that you are actually training a skill even though when you log in the skill has not been trained and is still at zero. So please if you aren't going to be constructive and are just going to repeat nonsense move to COAD. I had this problem this morning Eve Mon stated I had Signature Analysis V training (yes I hit apply) and when I logged into Eve several hours later there was nothing training and Signature Analysis V was at 0%.
SeismicForce Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:18:00 - [143] I havn't had any problems yet, on multiple characters and on multiple accounts. However, I did notice something : sometimes when you have your skill planner open, the skill you are training shows there, but does not show as active (ie. no flashy bar or running countdown) even though on your character sheet it is training. I havn't been able to reproduce this, nor have I been able to test if this might be the cause of the que failing. Maybe if you guys could watch this closely we might find the cause of the problems. I always make sure the skill shows as training in the skill que, and as stated no problems. Originally by: Allisie In a recent interview, a dev mentioned that ships and skills cause lag and will be removed in EVE 2.
Inmaculada Divinity	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:05:00 - [144] Originally by: Jack Dant It fails pretty often, and it's not forgetting to click "apply". The API reports the skills are training fine and the queue working, and then when you log on only the first skill has completed and the rest are at 0. This. I have had the API report a skill is training, when infact it wasn't. It was supposed to start from the queue, but for some reason the API was told it had but in-game it didn't. Yes I know how to use the skill queue No I'm not an idiot
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:13:00 - [145] Originally by: Michelle Vega Haven't seen any admitance that que is bugged by ccp. Just large talk from people hoping that they were not wrong. Maybe you should go look, then. Quote: Hit apply. Just because windows doesnt need it doesnt mean eve doesnt. Then it is bugged, since that's what it claims. Quote: Obvious n00b is obvious. Yes you are, but read a bit more and your n00bishness will be gone in no time. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
The Riddik	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:13:00 - [146] interesting specially cause skill training que works wonderfull for me so in the end, the real question is, how mentally challenged are you guys anyways :)
Inmaculada Divinity	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:21:00 - [147] Dear "you're a noob and can't use the skill queue" posting players, Quote: This patch will fix issues that have been reported following the release of Apocrypha. Issues that have been fixed include the Epic Mission Arcs, Skill Queue, User Interface, Localized Clients and much more. Just because it has worked for you, doesn't mean it works for everyone. Remember this is a complex MMO and inconsistent bugs may be experienced. Anyway, flame away little 14 year old uber l33t kiddies...
Xikulis Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:23:00 - [148] Originally by: The Riddik interesting specially cause skill training que works wonderfull for me so in the end, the real question is, how mentally challenged are you guys anyways :) Yes because things that are not broken for you couldn't possibly be broken for anybody else. I agree it is everyone else in this thread that is "mentally challenged". So far we have two wonderful pearls of wisdom in this thread. We have the "CCP hasn't admitted to a problem therefor one cannot possibly be present" and "It works for me so you must be mentally challenged".
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:25:00 - [149] There's a problem here; if it's not working when i don't hit apply, why does it tell my evemon through the api that the next skill is training, and will remain to tell it that untill i log on and manually set it training and evemons time remaining on the skill will correct itself?
Xikulis Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:27:00 - [150] Originally by: Nicholas Barker There's a problem here; if it's not working when i don't hit apply, why does it tell my evemon through the api that the next skill is training, and will remain to tell it that untill i log on and manually set it training and evemons time remaining on the skill will correct itself? It figures the other rational voice in here would be somebody from .BoB. Are you sure you are not mentally challenged? Apparently the rest of us are.

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