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Duermond	Posted - 2009.03.27 19:49:00 - [91] Originally by: Asuka Smith Unless they want to make the starter systems into something like the Isle of Tortuga (A separate instance of the game that only new players can go to, and once they finish there they can never return) then it seems to me like a "starter system" is more of "just a system" and should not be treated any differently than any other system. Maybe the Isle of Jove? Afterall we can't go into Jove territory anyways.
Chamirra Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.27 20:38:00 - [92] I will say just a month into this game that I learned very early on about can flipping. Granted the one time I tried to fight back I almost got popped, but nonetheless learned that canflippers exist purely to grief you and look for an easy kill. In Todaki where I started (seems to be the favorite) Ive run into remote repping canflippers (seriously...you have to have a friend on standby to remote rep you canflipping in a starter system?) up to and including canflipping by Caldari Raven Navy Issue (wtf?? and also where I learned what CNR meant). What risk are you taking against a Bantam with a CNR??? Maybe there needs to be a carebear variant to label this kind of zero risk PvP. Kind of a rant I wanted to get off my chest. Yes the game is harsh, I'm fine with that, but this type of idiocy drives new people from the game. When you only have a day under your belt and a 5 figure Isk count in your wallet...not too tough to make someone on a 10-day free trial say "the hell with this crap" and take their money elsewhere. PS sorry if this post was a little ADHD-ish, its Friday after all
M'ing Pai Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.03.27 21:15:00 - [93] I've been playing this game for almost 3 years, and can baiting has never been allowed in starter systems. While I agree this game is supposed to be harsh, NOTHING can be gained from dropping a can outside someone's first station undock labelled "FREE STUFFS" so you can pop a 5 minute old character in an ibis when they might not have even had a chance to go through the tutorial yet. Judging from the OP's record though, maybe that's all he can really do. Seriously, I flip cans all day long, and people like the OP give people like me who'll actually flip a can with 5 of my victims corpmates in the belt with me a bad name. Grow a pair and stay out of the starter systems. Canflipping is fine as long as you have ballz while you're doing it. Can bait in starter systems and you're just embarrassing yourself.
Griestopherson	Posted - 2009.03.27 22:17:00 - [94] Edited by: Griestopherson on 27/03/2009 22:21:53 First of all...I didn't read all the posts, I read the first page then after that you people started to p!$$ me off. It's like this, In the real world if you do something stupid (Like opening a can that says you might die if you do...) you can't whine to the grim reaper. Same thing applies to economics...Oh wait...Papabama's going to make it all better... See I have to deal with people not taking responsibility for their own action in real life, shouldn't those who do pay attention be able to play in a world where you are responsible for your own actions? Look at my age on Eve, now look at my Kills and Deaths. Not very many, know why? I don't go around doing stupid $hit. If you take the can you deserve to die, and the guy who flipped your can deserves to have me uncloak and send some cruise missiles his way. You should be able to deal with the outcome of your actions people. We're not held accountable in the real world so do you complain when you are in a pretend world. Excuse me while I vomit out of disgust in my pod. Anybody know a good detailing shop out here? But seriously, in closing, no offense is meant to anyone who has posted or will post, your allowed to be wrong. EDIT: I would like to add that I do agree with the sentiment that baiting and flipping in "Starter Sytems" is low. If anything give broad kill rights to those found to be doing it. Say maybe anyone in the system when it happens gets kill rights to the one who was flipping/baiting. It wouldn't be too hard to track either from a development POV, might take some time to tune it right though.
Cyprus Black Caldari Elitist Jerks Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.28 03:23:00 - [95] Ok, after reading the entire jumble of the OPs post, I know what's going on. The main problem is that the ingame tutorial is terrible. Quite possibly the worst tutorial I've ever seen. This new attempt CCP is trying to ease players into the game isn't working. The tutorial is now even more confusing, new players start with 94% less skills, and many of the mission rewards are unusable due to missing skills. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS Band of Bastards.	Posted - 2009.03.28 06:52:00 - [96] Originally by: MeatSlab Common plp. Please dont respond to this topic unless you would like to contribute opinions specific to its actual content. Thanks plp is wut? ------------------------- Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux GREAT CHINESE WALL OF TEXT
Jim GNARKILL Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.28 07:13:00 - [97] Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux Originally by: MeatSlab Common plp. Please dont respond to this topic unless you would like to contribute opinions specific to its actual content. Thanks plp is wut? i think it comes in orange juice
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.03.28 07:38:00 - [98] Actually I have a super simple method of dealing with this. Remove Jetcans from the game and only make loot drops accessible by members of the same corp. Problem solved, whiney rant ended. I've been a mom too long - as the old joke goes, Parents aren't interested in justice. They just want peace and quiet. --Vel Originally by: Tachyon Shade Idealism is what precedes experience. Cynicism is what follows it.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.28 08:13:00 - [99] Originally by: De'Veldrin Actually I have a super simple method of dealing with this. Remove Jetcans from the game and only make loot drops accessible by members of the same corp. Problem solved, whiney rant ended. I've been a mom too long - as the old joke goes, Parents aren't interested in justice. They just want peace and quiet. OK, so how do I give ammo and stront to gang mates?
Jim GNARKILL Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.28 08:19:00 - [100] Edited by: Jim GNARKILL on 28/03/2009 08:19:43 Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: De'Veldrin Actually I have a super simple method of dealing with this. Remove Jetcans from the game and only make loot drops accessible by members of the same corp. Problem solved, whiney rant ended. I've been a mom too long - as the old joke goes, Parents aren't interested in justice. They just want peace and quiet. OK, so how do I give ammo and stront to gang mates? INSPACE TRADING! edit: Nerf stations!
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.03.28 14:23:00 - [101] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: De'Veldrin Actually I have a super simple method of dealing with this. Remove Jetcans from the game and only make loot drops accessible by members of the same corp. Problem solved, whiney rant ended. I've been a mom too long - as the old joke goes, Parents aren't interested in justice. They just want peace and quiet. OK, so how do I give ammo and stront to gang mates? Buy an Orca and put it in the Corporate Hangar. shrugs Not really my problem, tbh. Reread the part where I said parents aren't interested in justice. If you can't play without fighting over your toys, we take the toys away. Parenting skills ftw --Vel Originally by: Tachyon Shade Idealism is what precedes experience. Cynicism is what follows it.
Daemonspirit Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2009.03.28 16:17:00 - [102] Originally by: De'Veldrin Buy an Orca and put it in the Corporate Hangar. shrugs Not really my problem, tbh. Reread the part where I said parents aren't interested in justice. If you can't play without fighting over your toys, we take the toys away. Parenting skills ftw /WIN! Laughed my ass off! ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Strainer	Posted - 2009.03.28 18:00:00 - [103] Originally by: achoura Unfortunately, the mission/mining tutorials appear to have been written by poeple who never played eve Yes, those people would be the developers. From what I can tell, most of them haven't been playing for the last few expansions.
Darathor Omegie	Posted - 2009.03.29 08:03:00 - [104] Originally by: Anneka Tong saw a couple of people the other day in one of the tutorial systems. Were putting out cans in front of the station, labelled "Free Gifts for new players", then shooting anyone that did. Then typing "lol" in local and such. Was an Amarr command ship and a gallente interceptor that was doing it. I was like seeing that. Another system, I saw people putting out cans labelled "Take from this can to see why you shouldn't take from random cans" People took from the can, and got shot at. Some blew up, others didn't. Was a couple people in what they said in local were T2 fitted rookieships. I was like seeing that. That is pretty funny.. As a side note everyone is going about this the wrong way. Instead of the whole "stop the griefer's" and the whole"griefers wanting to grief" there is a way to do both. In order to switch can's doesn't the griefer trigger the aggro timer? If so then make it so anyone can target the griefer and increase it to 30 minutes= problem solved. Because for every bored griefer there is probably a bored pvper that hates griefers. That and a nub zerg rush would be interesting.
Jim GNARKILL Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.29 08:08:00 - [105] if there was no griefers and no pirates who the crap would blow ** up, and with no one to blow your ** up who would buy new stuff from you sounds boring to me
Alice Larkin Caldari 101st Caldari Rangers	Posted - 2009.03.29 11:20:00 - [106] Edited by: Alice Larkin on 29/03/2009 11:24:08 God when I first started playing I can flipped and got flipped and didnt complain once. I flipped a gang of 5 vexors and got wasted in my first week but I didnt care its the game and thats what happens. CCP should really not ban flipers BUT should give a clear warning to noobs that if they can mine with UNSECURE cans then they risk being flipped (explain in message what this is etc) then it is down to the noobs who want to run the risk AND THEY CANNOT COMPLAIN AS THEY WHERE TOLD ABOUT IT! and maybe drop the skill required for secure cans into the new tutorial missions. The problem is that some ppl never leave the starter systemsa nd use it to HIDE from ppl however flipping and ibis is totally stupid hit a large mining op with security and see if you are really that good.
Mystafyre Caldari First Clan Corp FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2009.03.29 11:37:00 - [107] Originally by: MeatSlab Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 17:05:09 Ok here is the deal. I have played eve for over a year now. When I started I had many "pirates" swap my can in an attempt to "grief" me. lol. Not once did I complain, grip, or cry to my mommy about it. I just moved on till I could fight and stopped jet canning. I even started doing the same thing to others, and yes even other day old noobs. Its fun and a lesson all noobs should learn. Im posting this because Im a bit disturbed at the way CCP's attempting to stop this from happening in noob systems. Can any one say WOW. Anyways, Im trippin out that noobs are complaining. This is how I think and feel; First, most noobs Id assume dont even do the tutorial. Secondly, they wonder around aimlessly expecting someone in game to help them figure stuff out. Next, they start mining in condors? Then they somehow discover the basics to jet canning. I come take that shiny can and swap it to a new can of my own. They come back in their badger or whatever and I kill them. OK now here is the kicker.. A big box pops up in their display stating if they take my can, me or any member in my corporation can KILL them. What this says to me is that they accept the results of their action by taking the can. It should not be such a surprise to them they get killed. This is an example of an idiot that cant read, or just cant understand the basics of the game. Oh wait, they didn't even do the tutorial. I'm just a little erked at how CCP wants to protect their precious ******ed noobs and risk losing commited paying players to noobs that probably wont play longer than a month. My point here i guess is that noobs stop playing eve because they are not reading and/or paying attention, Also can baiting or can swapping is within the game mechanics. As far as baiting at stations. I don't consider this grief in any way. Player took can knowingly. (ever had an ibis pop your can and just dock) That can wasnt for them, and why did they just dock if they had no idea what they were doing.(aww poor victomized noobs) Heck,they griefed me. Im try to get juicy meat, not and ibis. Oh but kill an inocent ibis.. how dare you.. tisk tisk. suck it up. Flashing red is flashing red. lock, load, and fire.... Im looking for responses and opinions on what plp think about ccp's action to control this type of "grief" and on how noobs cry about it and play off as a victim when they are simply ignorant. Suggestions for alternative solutions versus banning players welcomed Oh FFS... So you whining that you can't grief noob ships in noob system? And you have been playing for year and that's still your goal in eve? How about jumping out from the noob system for the very first time in your eve career?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.03.29 13:57:00 - [108] Originally by: Jim GNARKILL if there was no griefers and no pirates who the crap would blow ** up, and with no one to blow your up who would buy new stuff from you sounds boring to me What you are, apparently, forgetting is that there is a significant difference between a genuine pirate and a griefer. For one thing, pirates have shoulder birds. For another, griefers are a$$hats. --Vel Originally by:** Tachyon Shade Idealism is what precedes experience. Cynicism is what follows it.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.03.29 14:39:00 - [109] Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Jim GNARKILL if there was no griefers and no pirates who the crap would blow ** up, and with no one to blow your ** up who would buy new stuff from you sounds boring to me What you are, apparently, forgetting is that there is a significant difference between a genuine pirate and a griefer. For one thing, pirates have shoulder birds. For another, griefers are a$$hats. That'll be more or less the whole of 0.0 then. And at least over half of low sec, add in all the Empire war-deccers and you probably got yourself well over half of EVE as "griefers". Ohnoes we need more honourable pirates to balance it up! Either that, or more carebears. Can't stand the griefers! - This space for rent
Ivy Scorn Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.03.29 14:52:00 - [110] The noob is the one flipping the can. The newb is the guy trying to flip it back.
Ji Sama	Posted - 2009.03.29 16:27:00 - [111] im a noob not a newb... i like to agress **** in highsec in unsecured bs's's. then i try to run from concordorked! This is a signature not related to EVE
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.03.29 16:38:00 - [112] Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Jim GNARKILL if there was no griefers and no pirates who the crap would blow ** up, and with no one to blow your ** up who would buy new stuff from you sounds boring to me What you are, apparently, forgetting is that there is a significant difference between a genuine pirate and a griefer. For one thing, pirates have shoulder birds. For another, griefers are a$$hats. That and the fact that most kills arent even made by pirates OR griefers, it comes from 0.0 fleet battles, War-decs and FW.

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