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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 07:53:00 -
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Ok here is the deal. I have played eve for over a year now. When I started I had many "pirates" swap my can in an attempt to "grief" me. lol. Not once did I complain, grip, or cry to my mommy about it. I just moved on till I could fight and stopped jet canning. I even started doing the same thing to others, and yes even other day old noobs. I still do it to this day. Its fun and a lesson all noobs should learn. Im posting this because Im a bit disturbed at CCP's attempt to stop this from happening in noob systems. Can any one say WOW. Anyways, Im trippin out that noobs are complaining. This is how I think and feel; First, most noobs Id assume dont even do the tutorial. Secondly, they wonder around aimlessly expecting someone in game to help them figure stuff out. Next, they start mining in condors? Then they somehow discover the basics to jet canning. I come take that shiny can and swap it to a new can of my own. They come back in their badger or whatever and I kill them. OK now here is the kicker.. A big box pops up in their display stating if they take my can, me or any member in my corporation can KILL them. What this says to me is that they accept the results of their action by taking the can. It should not be such a surprise to them they get killed. This is an example of an idiot that cant read, or just cant understand the basics of the game. Oh wait, they didn't even do the tutorial. I'm just a little erked at how CCP wants to protect their precious ******ed noobs and risk losing commited paying players to noobs that probably wont play longer than a month. My point here i guess is that noobs stop playing eve because they are not reading and/or paying attention, Also can baiting or can swapping is within the game mechanics. As far as baiting at stations. I don't consider this grief in any way. Player took can knowingly. (ever had an ibis pop your can and just dock) That can wasnt for them, and why did they just dock if they had no idea what they were doing.(aww poor victomized noobs) Heck,they griefed me. Im try to get juicy meat, not and ibis. Oh but kill an inocent ibis.. how dare you.. tisk tisk. suck it up. Flashing red is flashing red. lock, load, and fire....
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis SIRRIUS.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 07:56:00 -
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I'm confused, you spend the majority of your post being "RABBBLE RABBLE can flippers are scum" and then you admit to can flipping a hapless noob in a mining condor and killing him?
Congrats.
I guess.
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WhiteSavage
Gallente Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:07:00 -
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reading comprehension fail apparently.
He's saying that he never complained when they did it to him. Now that he does it he cant understand why other people complain about it so much.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 08:13:45
Originally by: Artemis Rose I'm confused, you spend the majority of your post being "RABBBLE RABBLE can flippers are scum" and then you admit to can flipping a hapless noob in a mining condor and killing him?
Congrats.
I guess.
Im just stating that Im perturbed. I wasnt speaking bad about can flippers. As far as the condor, simply giving ref. to my noob days. Im looking for responses and opinions on what plp think about ccp's action to control this type of "grief" and on how noobs cry about it and play off as a victim when they are simply ignorant. Thank for strengthening my point. Noobs cant read!
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Requiescat
Celestial Apocalypse death from above..
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:13:00 -
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thx for bolding the parts anyone cares about -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 08:21:24 Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 08:17:19
Originally by: Requiescat thx for bolding the parts anyone cares about
and how would I know any one persons specific interests, or what they care about. Are you not capable of deciding that for yourself?
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Requiescat
Celestial Apocalypse death from above..
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:18:00 -
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3/10, caught me by surprise but wasn't very funny -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat 3/10, caught me by surprise but wasn't very funny
lol what are you saying?
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:27:00 -
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Common plp. Please dont respond to this topic unless you would like to contribute opinions specific to its actual content. Thanks
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10k1e
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 08:52:17 why you assume that all the people should play like you ?
how many tears you will manage to squeeze if lets say ccp sudently say "jetcans will have a security lock" ?
in short : if the life for new players will be easier, without wanna be epeen pirates who blow up mindless their whole week gain, and brag about it in c&p, we will have more and various targets around. for sure they will not complain losing in a pvp ship, but they will quit rage when a glorious can flipping self epeen proclamed hero will blow up his mining ships by can flipping.
My point here i guess is that noobs stop playing eve because they are not reading and/or paying attention
your point is idiotic. i trained a good friend of mine for abour 2-3 weeks almost every day for a good 2-3h, and i manage to teach him the basics of the eve. nothing fancy and advanced. and i dint not repeat a thing twice. he understand very well. amount of info's that new players should learn is stupidly high.
tutorial and info boxes leaves a player bend over, without pants and undies.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:03:00 -
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EVE is not fair and if they want to mine into a jet can then they are accepting the risks.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:14:00 -
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I have no issue with can baiting at all if people wanna do it but i agree with it being banned in starter systems. Its hardly a noobs fault if they dont know the ins and outs of game mechanics.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: 10k1e Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 08:52:17 why you assume that all the people should play like you ?
how many tears you will manage to squeeze if lets say ccp sudently say "jetcans will have a security lock" ?
in short : if the life for new players will be easier, without wanna be epeen pirates who blow up mindless their whole week gain, and brag about it in c&p, we will have more and various targets around. for sure they will not complain losing in a pvp ship, but they will quit rage when a glorious can flipping self epeen proclamed hero will blow up his mining ships by can flipping.
My point here i guess is that noobs stop playing eve because they are not reading and/or paying attention
your point is idiotic. i trained a good friend of mine for abour 2-3 weeks almost every day for a good 2-3h, and i manage to teach him the basics of the eve. nothing fancy and advanced. and i dint not repeat a thing twice. he understand very well. amount of info's that new players should learn is stupidly high.
tutorial and info boxes leaves a player bend over, without pants and undies.
Quote: why you assume that all the people should play like you ?
I dont assume all players play like me. I am simply speaking to the ones that do.
Quote: how many tears you will manage to squeeze if lets say ccp sudently say "jetcans will have a security lock" ?
None. sounds like a good solution. Or at lease allow anchoring of secure cans in "noobspace"
Quote: in short : if the life for new players will be easier, without wanna be epeen pirates who blow up mindless their whole week gain, and brag about it in c&p, we will have more and various targets around. for sure they will not complain losing in a pvp ship, but they will quit rage when a glorious can flipping self epeen proclamed hero will blow up his mining ships by can flipping.
poorly written
Quote: your point is idiotic.
Thanks for this opinion
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 09:20:11
Originally by: Asuka Smith EVE is not fair and if they want to mine into a jet can then they are accepting the risks.
Agreed
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg I have no issue with can baiting at all if people wanna do it but i agree with it being banned in starter systems. Its hardly a noobs fault if they dont know the ins and outs of game mechanics.
A noob is given the tools to understand its mechanics. When the box comes up giving them a warning
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10k1e
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 09:24:32 Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 09:23:54 Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 09:23:19 Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 09:21:48
Originally by: Firkragg I have no issue with can baiting at all if people wanna do it but i agree with it being banned in starter systems. Its hardly a noobs fault if they dont know the ins and outs of game mechanics.
tbh like a side note, hulks@co should be banned aswell in starter sistems.
...poorly writen...
i think you understand my point. my english in not that good and is not my 2' language aswell. maybe 4th one, if that was bothering you.
A noob is given the tools to understand its mechanics. When the box comes up giving them a warning
that warning is not the problem. your action, wich comes without warning or with poorly documentation, is.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 09:30:51
Originally by: 10k1e Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 09:26:27
Originally by: Firkragg I have no issue with can baiting at all if people wanna do it but i agree with it being banned in starter systems. Its hardly a noobs fault if they dont know the ins and outs of game mechanics.
tbh like a side note, hulks@co should be banned aswell in starter sistems.
...poorly writen...
i think you understand my point. my english in not that good and is not my 2' language aswell. maybe 4rd one, if that was bothering you.
A noob is given the tools to understand its mechanics. When the box comes up giving them a warning
that warning is not the problem. your action, wich comes without warning or with poorly or missing documentation, is.
So its a moral issue then. It bothers plp that I kill noobs? Its wrong? I dont play for moral issues.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:29:00 -
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Unless they want to make the starter systems into something like the Isle of Tortuga (A separate instance of the game that only new players can go to, and once they finish there they can never return) then it seems to me like a "starter system" is more of "just a system" and should not be treated any differently than any other system.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith Unless they want to make the starter systems into something like the Isle of Tortuga (A separate instance of the game that only new players can go to, and once they finish there they can never return) then it seems to me like a "starter system" is more of "just a system" and should not be treated any differently than any other system.
I like that idea. Seclude them to a secure system. I think CCP should look at an alt solutions to resolve this issue versus suspending or banning accounts for killing noobs. Im not going to stop on the account of a moral issue or a fear that a noob might stop playing. Its been said before... They should go back to WOW
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10k1e
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 09:38:12 you really dont want to understand ? is not freaking moral, and i dont care about moral either. moral pixels rolf.
my point is tutorial and info's ingame are ok for a single player pve sided game. after you finish the tutorial, you dont have any single ideea what the others players can do, and that is the base on how can flippers works.
tbh, i would probably ban jet cans in high sec area, and allow gsc -> 1.0 with a bit larger cargo. in the can flipping **** trowed around.
but there is a lot other issues for new players, poorly documented. especially player vs player (not fight) interaction.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:38:00 -
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I think it boils down to being a moral issue and a pocket book issue. Question is. Whats fair to both sides and what is a middle ground for a reasonable solution to all parties.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: 10k1e Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 09:38:12 you really dont want to understand ? is not freaking moral, and i dont care about moral either. moral pixels rolf.
my point is tutorial and info's ingame are ok for a single player pve sided game. after you finish the tutorial, you dont have any single ideea what the others players can do, and that is the base on how can flippers works.
tbh, i would probably ban jet cans in high sec area, and allow gsc -> 1.0 with a bit larger cargo. in the can flipping **** trowed around.
but there is a lot other issues for new players, poorly documented. especially player vs player (not fight) interaction.
I can agree with you on the fact that their isnt much information givn to noobs on PVP. Most defiantly. For me, it is a moral issue. IM being asked to stop playing the game i have played for over a year. CCP is affraid its new players will stop playing eve. What should be happening is CCP needs to act and inform these noobs. Example... placing a secure can. How many times have you seen a secure can floating in 1.0 space? When I played long ago as a noob, their was no information on placing secure cans in the description of the can.
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achoura
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:47:00 -
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I've been playing this game for over 3 years now, and while that may not have been healthy it has been fun. However, it's been a long time since i even went near a tutorial and had no pity for anyone i ransomed flying an armour tanked drake, or shield tanked harb, or had any one of a number of "wtf" modules fitted.
This was until i decided to test the new tutorial on my 19yo younger brother which seems to go resonably well with the re-written, clearer tutorial. Unfortunately, the mission/mining tutorials appear to have been written by poeple who never played eve, he too an amarr character, to an amarr agent, to a sansha mission and the mission tutorial told him to fit a shield booster. W.T.F. The more you poke around the more you realise alot of what noobs are doing isn't stupid, they're mostly failing for following advice by someone who give them "i don't have a clue" advice.
Anyway, what ccp are trying to do with your cans is give people enough information to make a decision, rather than blindly, and therefore understandably, get miffed when they explode with no clue why. My point anyway, is people general perceive noobs as ignorant, stupid or lazy when in fact they are (generally) nothing of the sort. They follow tutorials which have a 1 in 3 chance of, being correct, being wrong e.g. shield tank your mauler or being incomplete.
In any case, if you've been playing for over a year and still popping noobs like that you are griefing. Yes, it may be a valid mechanic but if people go out trying to harass new players, playing on their ignorance, then it's going to get cvhanged no matter what you think. If the noob knew any better they'd be petitioning you for griefing but in true ccp style, those tutorials omit 95% of the game. ***The EVE servers and their patches*** |
MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 10:03:34
Originally by: achoura I've been playing this game for over 3 years now, and while that may not have been healthy it has been fun. However, it's been a long time since i even went near a tutorial and had no pity for anyone i ransomed flying an armour tanked drake, or shield tanked harb, or had any one of a number of "wtf" modules fitted.
This was until i decided to test the new tutorial on my 19yo younger brother which seems to go resonably well with the re-written, clearer tutorial. Unfortunately, the mission/mining tutorials appear to have been written by poeple who never played eve, he too an amarr character, to an amarr agent, to a sansha mission and the mission tutorial told him to fit a shield booster. W.T.F. The more you poke around the more you realise alot of what noobs are doing isn't stupid, they're mostly failing for following advice by someone who give them "i don't have a clue" advice.
Anyway, what ccp are trying to do with your cans is give people enough information to make a decision, rather than blindly, and therefore understandably, get miffed when they explode with no clue why. My point anyway, is people general perceive noobs as ignorant, stupid or lazy when in fact they are (generally) nothing of the sort. They follow tutorials which have a 1 in 3 chance of, being correct, being wrong e.g. shield tank your mauler or being incomplete.
In any case, if you've been playing for over a year and still popping noobs like that you are griefing. Yes, it may be a valid mechanic but if people go out trying to harass new players, playing on their ignorance, then it's going to get cvhanged no matter what you think. If the noob knew any better they'd be petitioning you for griefing but in true ccp style, those tutorials omit 95% of the game.
Thank you. FYI I dont set out to kill noobs. If im at a station and a can is out and a noob takes it, then I will kill. I use 2 a year ago. I havnt looked at the new tutorials latley. Interesting tho. When put in the way you wrote, I can understand why some noobs dont get it. Again tho. If I get a message saying that someone can kill me, I take the can, and I die. Why would the guy killing me be scolded. Dont touch that hot stove it will burn you. "OUCH!!" I told you not to do that. Its ok hunny we will get a new stove.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:00:00 -
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http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:20:00 -
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Thanks for all the post so far. keep them comming
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Jogvan
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.03.23 11:11:00 -
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For CCP it's not just a moral issue, but about subscription money. If people are getting killed and lose everything they got they will most likely quit the game, which for some reason people think is a huge achievement...
Leave the 1 day noobs alone, let them get rich and phat and then you kill them and might actually get some valuable loots from their wrecks.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.23 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jogvan
Leave the 1 day noobs alone, let them get rich and phat and then you kill them and might actually get some valuable loots from their wrecks.
But they keep warping to 0 on belts, why do they make this so hard fro me
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Mickey Simon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jogvan For CCP it's not just a moral issue, but about subscription money. If people are getting killed and lose everything they got they will most likely quit the game, which for some reason people think is a huge achievement...
Leave the 1 day noobs alone, let them get rich and phat and then you kill them and might actually get some valuable loots from their wrecks.
Pretty much this.
If you're in the starter system, you're either a) completely new, b) suffering some sort of disability and unable to get out of the starter area, or c) attempting to prey on people who are just orientating themselves to the game.
I'm all for keeping EVE harsh, but baiting people who may be still going through the starter tutorial in the starter system is too much. If killing Ibis's really matters that much to you (srsly, your ammo is worth more than the loot O_O) then go do it next door to the starter system.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.23 11:49:00 -
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My point is that even with that "warning box" most of new players won't take it seriously as its "their ore".
See it like this: you never been attacked. you a pacific new player who is mining for some fresh isk. 1million is like a fortune to you, as your mining ship is worth less than 100k including modules and the awesome Badger mk1 is 500k and can hold the incredible amount of 5000m3...
Now you fly back to the belt after a good mining session and fly to your Cargo Container. Approaching... it's yellow on overview but where the hecks in the tutorial does it warn about this? You take it and a stupid box is disturbing the screen. "wtf this is my ore, it must be a game bug"
BLOWN.
The moral is: you sure want to kill Ibis, Condors, Cormorants and Badgers... classic eve ships over starter systems. Don't act like "you are an innocent player who happens to be in this system". You are in that system for a purpose.
Wait, you probably spend 50% of your EVE life over Todaki isnt it? Ahhhh Todaki, the good Caldari carebear-starting system. Why flying to any of the other 4999 systems? It HAS to be Todaki as you wont get a **** anywhere else.
You an epic hero and your killboard shows more K than L oh oh long life to the great MeatSlah
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