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Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2009.03.23 14:39:00 - [31] [ 2008.08.18 16:01:58 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Kruul's Pleasure Gardens hits you, doing 776.2 damage. Only one i can find. That's in a Nightmare w/ 2 x dread invul and a photon - around 75% resists, so raw dmg would have been around 3k - not enough to get even through a Nighthawk's hull. Maybe they upped the damage this patch. --
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance Band of Bastards.	Posted - 2009.03.23 14:50:00 - [32] When the Pleasure Garden blows it does 3000 damage if you are within 30Km. I think it is EM damage and the 3000 is if you have no EM resists. You must have been into structure by the time the thing blew up on you. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Poz McAIDS	Posted - 2009.03.23 14:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII so is this a new feature to apocrypha because ive never taken any damage from the exploding gardens when ive done this mission pre apocrypha. no.. it did damage pre apocrypha. I know because my abaddon miles away blew up the building and the resulting blast killed my catalyst salvager on my second account. I cried. And cut myself. But didn't emoragequit.
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Poz McAIDS Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII so is this a new feature to apocrypha because ive never taken any damage from the exploding gardens when ive done this mission pre apocrypha. no.. it did damage pre apocrypha. I know because my abaddon miles away blew up the building and the resulting blast killed my catalyst salvager on my second account. I'm with Rudename Regus on this one. I never noticed the Pleasure Gardens doing any damage pre-Apocrypha, even though I always got the message about the explosion. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying I've only noticed the explosion doing damage after Apocrypha.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Zaknussem I'm with Rudename Regus on this one. I never noticed the Pleasure Gardens doing any damage pre-Apocrypha, even though I always got the message about the explosion. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying I've only noticed the explosion doing damage after Apocrypha. Same for me. I've seen the notification and read the mission guide warning, but never actually noticed any damage coming off of that structure (and I'm generally sitting at the warp-in point at, what? 15–20km from it, and using drones to pop the thing). I should have lost tons of drones from it by now, and have noticed an extra spike in damage even though there are no ships around. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Poz McAIDS	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:40:00 - [36] I'm at work so I can't login and get the killmail. ahhh. the boss will never know 2008.08.25 09:58:00 Victim: Jim Fung Corp: Hard Working Pacifists Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Destroyed: Catalyst System: Uotila Security: 0.6 Damage Taken: 1839 Involved parties: Name: Rent-A-Dream Pleasure Gardens / Unknown (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 1839 Destroyed items: Expanded Cargohold II Charred Micro Circuit (Cargo) Small Hull Repairer I, Qty: 2 (Cargo) 250mm Railgun I (Cargo) Medium Shield Booster I (Cargo) Small Shield Booster I (Cargo) Cargohold Optimization I, Qty: 2 Large Energy Transfer Array I (Cargo) Small Nosferatu I (Cargo) Fried Interface Circuit, Qty: 13 (Cargo) Salvage Tackle I Salvager I Co-Processor I, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Metal Scraps, Qty: 11 (Cargo) Small Energy Transfer Array I (Cargo) Energized Basic Thermic Plating, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Large Subordinate Screen Stabilizer I (Cargo) Mega Anode Particle Stream I (Cargo) 200mm Railgun I (Cargo) Bane Torpedo, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Burned Logic Circuit, Qty: 7 (Cargo) Signal Amplifier I (Cargo) Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I (Cargo) Cargo Scanner I (Cargo) Large Capacitor Battery I (Cargo) Hornet I (Cargo) Dropped items: Acolyte I (Drone Bay) Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2 Plutonium Charge M, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Heavy Capacitor Booster I (Cargo) Warrior I (Cargo) 1MN Afterburner I Tripped Power Circuit, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Widowmaker Heavy Missile, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Zbikoki's Hacker Card (Cargo) Tracking Computer I (Cargo) 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates I (Cargo) Zor's Custom Navigation Link (Cargo) Cap Recharger II Salvager I, Qty: 3 200mm Railgun I (Cargo) 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I (Cargo) Sensor Booster I (Cargo) Thunderbolt Heavy Missile, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Cap Booster 400, Qty: 10 (Cargo) Large 'Vehemence' I Shockwave Charge (Cargo) Havoc Heavy Missile, Qty: 100 (Cargo) Small Tractor Beam I, Qty: 4 Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter (Cargo) Cap Booster 100, Qty: 30 (Cargo) and that my friends is dated 210 days ago.
Johann Callasan Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Shogun Archer Originally by: 5pinDizzy Remember that building expoding giving damage, but damn seems like it might have been a lot, were you right on top of it or something? This actually happened to my corp mate and I haven't had a chance to get the full details from him yet. He just Eve mailed me the details of it... I didn't thin explosions from structures did any damage at all, although I had sometimes pondered why they didn't. It makes sense that they would but damn... enough damage to destroy a Nighthawk?? lol. Well, there's a prarllel in the "Cash for Capsuleers" newbie quest chain, Military version. In the mission, you're supposed to approach a "hotel" inside of a cloud, to pick up some diplomats. When you get close enough, the "hotel" explodes and will rip the shields right off your frigate. Immediately afterward four other frigates will warp in on top of you...basically, you just have to GTFO after the "hotel" explodes (which completes the mission). So, it's not unheard-of.
Poz McAIDS	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:41:00 - [38] and Yeah, that IS 2x cargohold optimization rigs. thats why I cried.
Poz McAIDS	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:42:00 - [39] now clearly I could have made that up.. after all it's only a wall of text. but who'd brag about triple rigging a catalyst?
TraitorJim	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Poz McAIDS now clearly I could have made that up.. after all it's only a wall of text. but who'd brag about triple rigging a catalyst? No one in their right mind.
Maria Kalista Amarr Ihatalo Heavy Industries Ihatalo Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:55:00 - [41] Edited by: Maria Kalista on 23/03/2009 15:57:26 Level 4 'Damsel in distress' has been doing damage way before Apochribba. Lost some drones to it the first time. Since then, hammerheads 2 are somewhat expensive, I snipe from 100 KM away. Have the drones pick off anything that gets too close and/ or the 2 spiderdrones. Vote for more surprises like this. :P Edit: with 'damage' I mean the 'pleasure gardens'... Originally by: tentonhammer One galaxy, limited resources, 450K players who are all a little odd to begin with and a porous system of currency trading. Welcome to the asylum, let's take a tour!
Pry Maraai Amarr Unknown but Ancient	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Mithos Victus BUT, I also recently fitted a Jaguar for tooling around in L1s/L2s for fun on a night when I was extra bored, and I ran into a weird fluke. My top speed with afterburner was 1042m/s but when I logged on the next night, it suddenly dropped to max 500m/s. Yes, I checked the HUD, I took the afterburner out and put it back in, everything. It was not until I completely unfitted, repackaged, and reassembled the ship that the statistics returned to normal. So I would take a serious look at exactly how much damage he did take, because who knows, maybe this bug applies to shields, armor, or structure, and someone has reported this kind of bug before. Either this is a bug, or maybe you just had T2 ammo loaded.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:44:00 - [43] Originally by: Zaknussem Originally by: Poz McAIDS Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII so is this a new feature to apocrypha because ive never taken any damage from the exploding gardens when ive done this mission pre apocrypha. no.. it did damage pre apocrypha. I know because my abaddon miles away blew up the building and the resulting blast killed my catalyst salvager on my second account. I'm with Rudename Regus on this one. I never noticed the Pleasure Gardens doing any damage pre-Apocrypha, even though I always got the message about the explosion. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying I've only noticed the explosion doing damage after Apocrypha. How is my name rude?
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Zaknussem I'm with Rudename Regus on this one. I never noticed the Pleasure Gardens doing any damage pre-Apocrypha, even though I always got the message about the explosion. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying I've only noticed the explosion doing damage after Apocrypha. Same for me. I've seen the notification and read the mission guide warning, but never actually noticed any damage coming off of that structure (and I'm generally sitting at the warp-in point at, what? 15û20km from it, and using drones to pop the thing). I should have lost tons of drones from it by now, and have noticed an extra spike in damage even though there are no ships around. Yup same here i always sit on top of the gardens to get the can quickly never lost a drone.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:01:00 - [45] These have always done damage, they used to hit drones but they changed it. Now it only does damage in a small AOE radius to ships, so if you're not right next to it you won't notice any damage at all. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:02:00 - [46] Originally by: Wet Ferret These have always done damage, they used to hit drones but they changed it. Now it only does damage in a small AOE radius to ships, so if you're not right next to it you won't notice any damage at all. well you learn something new every day.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:02:00 - [47] Originally by: Shogun Archer Interesting. Well I have destroyed multiple structures in T1 cruisers even and have been quite close to them before and never had that happen. This was quite surprising to me when my corpy told me about it. I figured I'd at least post this as a warning to other pilots. Some mission structures have always done damage. This is nothing new.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:26:00 - [48] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII ps tell your mate to stop flying nighthawks till he has some skills 35709 is crap tanking ability in a nighthawk. A pretty silly statement as you know nothing of what amount of shields he was at the time of the explosion. 35000 in one blow (essentially alpha) even minus resistances is quite a lot. How many lvl 4 missions have a 35000 alpha in them ? and to have his shields that low at that point reinforces my statement. Well, I don't do missions myself so wtf do I know about if there IS a mission that does 35 000 alpha. If there is, and he was at say 10% shields due to whatever (eg. failing at PvE like me) then I suppose that's a reason for his demise. But it seems it does 3000 alpha, which is lol.
Notanalt Honestly	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:34:00 - [49] 3000 alpha is clearly enough to kill a catalyst. lol.
Nkurakarin	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Mithos Victus First, this thread should be in the missions forum. Second, if you are concerned, check game logs, and if something seems out of the ordinary, petition the loss to CCP. NOW, I am not saying that the Pleasure Gardens do not do a lot of alpha, I lost a Cormorant to it in an L4 while salvaging as my corpsmates completed the encounter. It made for some good laughs. BUT, I also recently fitted a Jaguar for tooling around in L1s/L2s for fun on a night when I was extra bored, and I ran into a weird fluke. My top speed with afterburner was 1042m/s but when I logged on the next night, it suddenly dropped to max 500m/s. Yes, I checked the HUD, I took the afterburner out and put it back in, everything. It was not until I completely unfitted, repackaged, and reassembled the ship that the statistics returned to normal. So I would take a serious look at exactly how much damage he did take, because who knows, maybe this bug applies to shields, armor, or structure, and someone has reported this kind of bug before. I would if this is related: Strange Damage Taken Issue We have a corpmate who claims hes been "instaploding" while running scout in an inty. Not sure if this is a killmail bug or infact a ship bug... But I wonder if these 2 are connected?
Jezebel Harlot	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:22:00 - [51] Originally by: Megan Maynard You should see what happens when a 10/10 plex does that.... You should see what happens when Tenth fail to defend their cyno's by undocking their bs/caps, then getting their system hot dropped by a loads of caps and lose sov. Oh wait.. were you there for that? Cloud ring was it? So long ago, I forget now. OP: You lost a nighthawk in a mission. bwhahahaha.
Zarroh	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII so is this a new feature to apocrypha because ive never taken any damage from the exploding gardens when ive done this mission pre apocrypha. Wrong... It was always like that (Pre-Apocrypha). Only one of them does that massive damage. You might have killed the wrong ones to not notice it or you were too far away to get any damage (+35km)... I wish there were more missions like these, great to quickly gank a ninja salvager
Arkeladin	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Zaknussem Originally by: Poz McAIDS Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII so is this a new feature to apocrypha because ive never taken any damage from the exploding gardens when ive done this mission pre apocrypha. no.. it did damage pre apocrypha. I know because my abaddon miles away blew up the building and the resulting blast killed my catalyst salvager on my second account. I'm with Rudename Regus on this one. I never noticed the Pleasure Gardens doing any damage pre-Apocrypha, even though I always got the message about the explosion. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just saying I've only noticed the explosion doing damage after Apocrypha. How is my name rude? Now now, be a nice troll and maybe, just MAYBE, someone won't petition your first name for what it sounds like when spoken aloud :) Like I said, be a nice troll...
Zhora Six	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:10:00 - [54] I would assume that he was doing this mission. However, the explosion is supposed to do 3,000 damage, not 35,000. Maybe they changed it? ___________________________________ Always enjoy your virtual synthetic psychotropics in moderation.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII ps tell your mate to stop flying nighthawks till he has some skills 35709 is crap tanking ability in a nighthawk. A pretty silly statement as you know nothing of what amount of shields he was at the time of the explosion. 35000 in one blow (essentially alpha) even minus resistances is quite a lot. Ah, but you're forgetting that people like to boost their own egos by telling other people that their skills are crap. Someone less concerned with their own feelings of self-worth would have asked a different question, perhaps along the lines of 'why was his ship destroyed with that amount of damage'.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:56:00 - [56] Originally by: Ratchman Ah, but you're forgetting that people like to boost their own egos by telling other people that their skills are crap. Someone less concerned with their own feelings of self-worth would have asked a different question, perhaps along the lines of 'why was his ship destroyed with that amount of damage'. It's a particularly self-pwning attempt at ego-boosting considering the fact that even 35k HP is far more than you'll ever need in an L4. Overtanking is bad for you. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:16:00 - [57] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII ps tell your mate to stop flying nighthawks till he has some skills 35709 is crap tanking ability in a nighthawk. Troll!
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:33:00 - [58] Edited by: Durzel on 24/03/2009 11:33:10 It's been said already but the received damage on the killmail is the total damage he took between the encounter beginning, and ending - including damage taken from the various ships, etc. I suspect that's not the full KM output. To take 35k damage from just the Catalysm Cruise Missile (which I believe only Zor fires) implies the guy was sat around for quite some time taking out the ships. Maybe he fell asleep at the keyboard? The structure that does AoE damage comes up on the killmail comes up on the killmail as itself, as has been pasted by others above.
Callista Sincera	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:43:00 - [59] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII you took 35709 damage a cruise missile killed you the unknown shooting you did 35709 damage ergo the exploding gardens did 0 damage. More likely the cruise missile was simply the last DD source the game found in the log while generating the killmail. I doubt environmental damage makes it into the log.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:46:00 - [60] Had this happen to a corpmate too. He was in a destroyer salvaging while I ran the mission. I accidently finished the building and he went pop. It's, as far as I know, the only mission that has these kinda AoE explosions. And as someone said, his shields were probably not on top and the explosion was enough to take him out. ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die.

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